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The Emperor, the Defender of the Only True Faith, asks that Whittier withdraw all his troops from the Holy Empire of Canales.
While we appreciate that whittier help us defend against heretics out to destroy our nation cause they don't like our religion, we are not members of the Whittier Pact and never will be. We shall forever be neutral in the wars of man.
Further, the stationing of any foreign troops on our land is a threat to our soveringty.
Therefore, the Holy Emperor, the Defender of the Only True Faith asks Whittier to pull his troops out of Canales at the earliest possible time.

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I personally think that it's Canales right to remove troops of any country from their soil.

Whittier will not withdraw its troops. Canales is not able to defend itself from foreign aggression. Should Canales fall to outside powers, this would be a threat to Whittier's interests. Hence, Whittier's forces will remain in Canales.

Whittier will not withdraw its troops. Canales is not able to defend itself from foreign aggression. Should Canales fall to outside powers, this would be a threat to Whittier's interests. Hence, Whittier's forces will remain in Canales.
The Holy Empire is quite capable of defending itself.
Proof:

Defense budget: $330.582,337,300

1 million infantry troops: 15,000,000,000

200,000 M18: 700,000,000
200,000 E1A1: 130,000,000
500,000 S2A2s: 500,000,000
3,000 PX1: 3,150,000
200,000 AK 47: 40,000,000
200,000 M16: 40,000,000
200,000 M4 Carbines: 100,000,000
200,000 AN94: 100,000,000
500,000 M249: 500,000,000
200,000 F2000 Integrated Weapon systems 100,000,000
200,000 Airborne/Airassualt Troops 20,000,000,000
balance: $293,469,187,300

Special Airborne/Air Assault Division
200,000 troops 20,000,000,000 (these troops recieve an annual salary of $100,000 us dollars per year)
they are armed with the AN 94.

balance: 293,469,187,300

12 Special Ops Troops (trained by Sniper Country) 36,000,000

balance: 293,4333,187,300

100 Scud Launchers: 4.5 billion
personnel 700@50k=35million/year
200,000 Al Fahd Armored Vehicles=240 million
personnel 800,000@50K=40 billion
500,000 CV9030 IFVs=2.5 billion
personnel 4 million@50k=200 billion dollars
5,000 CV90 FCV = 25 million
personnel 15,000@50k=750,000,000

Balance: 45,833,178,300
This is my military from May 22 2004

How can you defend against a nation that this kind of army: ?


1. Pandora's Box nuclear missile equipped war sattelite (upgraded with ability to knock out incoming nukes just after launch.)
2 Golden Dragons. ultimate joint fighter/bombers. (Most advanced in the world, stats are top secret.)
1 Battle Island (WBI Brezhnekov) 5 miles in area, capable of holding 1 divisions, and 1500 aircraft. And numerous supplies. Can move from one ponit to another
(was two, but one was decommissioned)

15,000 thermo-nuclear tipped ICBM's

46,899,632 standing troops
1 million AK 47's
250,000 M249 machine guns
45,899,632 IMI Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifles
45,899,632 bullet proof vests

5,000 M1A2's
20,000 air medevac vehicles
15 Ticonderoga class aircraft carriers
50 Yorktown Class aircraft carriers (holds 95 planes)
50 Arizona Class Batteship
400 Kirov class nuclear powered cruisers
200 Ticonderoga II class Aegis cruisers
500 Arliegh Burke Aegis guided missile destroyers
100 Farragut Class Aegis Stealth Destroyers
300 Galaxy class nuclear stealth subs
300 Seawolf class attack subs


5,000 Apache Attack Helicopters
4,500 F117 Knighthawks Stealthfighters
1000 B1 bombers
3,000 WASP Stealth Attack Choppers (purchased from Gforce4)
7,000 AV-8B Harrier bombers
20,000 F-111 Multipurpose tactical fighter bombers
500 B-2 multirole fighterbombers
1,000 B52 Stratofortresses
2,000 F35 Joint Strike Fighters
200,000 RIM-18ANSAM Surface to Air Radar Guided Missiles (for destroyers and Aegis Cruisers)

46 million standing troops, *laughs heartily*, for a july nation *continues to laugh*, your force descriptions are so skewed from what is possible for your nation its funny.

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46 million standing troops, *laughs heartily*, for a july nation *continues to laugh*, your force descriptions are so skewed from what is possible for your nation its funny.

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Ya think?

46 million standing troops, *laughs heartily*, for a july nation *continues to laugh*, your force descriptions are so skewed from what is possible for your nation its funny.

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OOC:Eh, Whittier was a 2B+ Nation. For some reason I guess he had to create a new username.

46 million standing troops, *laughs heartily*, for a july nation *continues to laugh*, your force descriptions are so skewed from what is possible for your nation its funny.

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Whittier is actually a December 2002 nation so his pop should be around 3 billion.

OOC:Eh, Whittier was a 2B+ Nation. For some reason I guess he had to create a new username.

Whittier is actually a December 2002 nation so his pop should be around 3 billion.

oooooooooooooooooo, well my bad then, I had no idea.

Just cause you got a bigger army don't you give right to occupy other nations against their will.
The Holy Empire has no ill will towards Whittier, we would only like for them leave us alone.
We ask that Whittier abide by the referendum results and withdraw its troops if voters say they want Whittier out of Canales.
We will not go to war over this, unless Whittier starts committing atrocities and abominations (ie. his troops start corrupting Canalian women etc.)

And you do not need our land. You have half the continent and you own all the islands. Not content with your own oil supplies, you've been taking ours as payment for having your troops on our lands even though we never asked you to have your troops on our land. (Those two big black spots at the top of the map are massive oil reserves and they belong to the Empire but Whittier been taking oil from them without even asking us. Please go away and leave us alone. Please grant us back our soverignty. We won't ask for payment of the oil you took as long as you leave us. We can solve our own problems our way. We don't need your armies. God is on our side and as with God on our side, no one will attack us.
So please grant us back our soveriengty.

The South Pacific government calls on Whittier to withdraw from the Holy Empire of Canales, in accordance with the wishes of the local government.

Sanctaphrax would request that Whittier leave Canales alone as they are obviously fit to deal with any conquest themselves.

How can you defend against a nation that this kind of army: ?

46,899,632 standing troops
45,899,632 bullet proof vests



Ooc- Less vests than men? "When the man with the armor gets hit, slide off his vest and continue forward!"

Just cause you got a bigger army don't you give right to occupy other nations against their will.
The Holy Empire has no ill will towards Whittier, we would only like for them leave us alone.
We ask that Whittier abide by the referendum results and withdraw its troops if voters say they want Whittier out of Canales.
We will not go to war over this, unless Whittier starts committing atrocities and abominations (ie. his troops start corrupting Canalian women etc.)

psssst... here's an idea... IGNORE him like everyone else... and his troops just vanish.

OOC:Eh, Whittier was a 2B+ Nation. For some reason I guess he had to create a new username.
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Whittier is actually a December 2002 nation so his pop should be around 3 billion.

but he got deleted.... hes a july nation now and that military is godmod for him.

but he got deleted.... hes a july nation now and that military is godmod for him.
Shut the F up.
The deletion was politically motivated, you know that.
I am using that pop. and I've already made that known. Everyone knows it. Those who are ignoring are ignoring it. That's their business. Unlike you, they are not trying to go around and cram it down everyone's throat.
Now if you don't like it, you can stick up your antisemetic ass.

IC: Whittier will not be pulling any troops out of Canales. We will abide by the referendum results.

Whittier will not pull any troops from Canales.

Axis Nova advises Canales to blow up the oil reserves. Without those in place, Whittier will no longer have his flimsy excuse for occupying your land.

Just torch the oil reserves, it'll solve your problems.

Emperor Rift

OOC: Can you torch an oil reserve that's in the ocean?

IC: Torching of any oil reserves will be taken as an act of war. Canales wouldn't dare torch those reserves.

OOC: Can you torch an oil reserve that's in the ocean?

IC: Torching of any oil reserves will be taken as an act of war. Canales wouldn't dare torch those reserves.
Why not? They're his and they're on his land so he can do whatever he wants with them. I think its a good idea and I will send Canales compensation for lost trade if he does this.

IC: If any Whittier soldier is found picking his nose in a 500 meter exclusion zone around a Dumpsterdanian national we will be forced to declare war on you. Why you ask? Because I'm in a bad mood and your annoying me.

Emperor Rift,

OoC: No realy, its his land and we'll be happy to kick you out.

OOC: Can you torch an oil reserve that's in the ocean?

IC: Torching of any oil reserves will be taken as an act of war. Canales wouldn't dare torch those reserves.


Aha, the 'velvet glove' comes off.

Thank you for confirming that you're only there to steal resources.

stealth edit: OMG IMPERIALIST

Why not? They're his and they're on his land so he can do whatever he wants with them. I think its a good idea and I will send Canales compensation for lost trade if he does this.
Look at the map. Its in the ocean. Its not on any of his land.

Whittier's troops will begin leaving in 5 NS months. One Battalion at a time until they are all out of Canales. They will leave at the rate of one battalion a month.
Whittier has 1 army division in Canales.

Aha, the 'velvet glove' comes off.

Thank you for confirming that you're only there to steal resources.

stealth edit: OMG IMPERIALIST
This is not true. We are not there to steal resources.
To prove this we are pulling our troops out. If we have no troops there, then no one can accuse us of stealing resources.

Would'nt it have been easier if you would have just pulled out when he requested it?

Would'nt it have been easier if you would have just pulled out when he requested it?

OOC:
He's pulling out at a painfully slow rate too. ;)

Why are you pulling out so slowely, trying to lug a couple million tons of oil along too? ;)

Why are you pulling out so slowely, trying to lug a couple million tons of oil along too? ;)
Eh, no. We deny this. Eh... where would get that idea?

Secret IC: Soldiers on Whittier naval ships pump gallons of oil from one of the offshore oil reserves into the hull of a tanker.

*tag*

The Holy Empire is quite capable of defending itself.
Proof:

Defense budget: $330.582,337,300

1 million infantry troops: 15,000,000,000

200,000 M18: 700,000,000
200,000 E1A1: 130,000,000
500,000 S2A2s: 500,000,000
3,000 PX1: 3,150,000
200,000 AK 47: 40,000,000
200,000 M16: 40,000,000
200,000 M4 Carbines: 100,000,000
200,000 AN94: 100,000,000
500,000 M249: 500,000,000
200,000 F2000 Integrated Weapon systems 100,000,000
200,000 Airborne/Airassualt Troops 20,000,000,000
balance: $293,469,187,300

Special Airborne/Air Assault Division
200,000 troops 20,000,000,000 (these troops recieve an annual salary of $100,000 us dollars per year)
they are armed with the AN 94.

balance: 293,469,187,300

12 Special Ops Troops (trained by Sniper Country) 36,000,000

balance: 293,4333,187,300

100 Scud Launchers: 4.5 billion
personnel 700@50k=35million/year
200,000 Al Fahd Armored Vehicles=240 million
personnel 800,000@50K=40 billion
500,000 CV9030 IFVs=2.5 billion
personnel 4 million@50k=200 billion dollars
5,000 CV90 FCV = 25 million
personnel 15,000@50k=750,000,000

Balance: 45,833,178,300
This is my military from May 22 2004

That is the worst organised and listed military I have ever come across. What sort of military equips half its army with different weapons from another?

I suggest Canales stands down.

Eh, no. We deny this. Eh... where would get that idea?

Secret IC: Soldiers on Whittier naval ships pump gallons of oil from one of the offshore oil reserves into the hull of a tanker.

OOC:
Yep, you're a lyin' sack, just like we figured.

*installs IGNORE on Whittier- *

Secret IC: One of the dozen Poseidon-class submarines that Axis Nova owns begins to creep into the area at 5 knots, hugging the bottom.

All the same 50 million military... thats 5%

whereas 0.5% is more realistic. So TBH its still a pretty dodgy army to have so well equipped. 5% for a "capitalist paradise" nation is a bit excessive. I mean its excessive for a militaristic nation, unless its at total war.

Secondly
dont forget, you need to maintain stuff and buy equipement for 50 million people, which means that they dont get more than $50000 per head of equipment. As say you have 10% of your GDP on military (a lot but JUST sustainable) that mean that 5% of your pop has 10% of the money on their equipment, so they only have twice their per head income worth of weapons, armour, food, pay, rations,ammo,medics,engineers, transports,. logistics, and then vehicles and stuff. I mean give one in ten men an RPG and a few shots, and your men all get AKs and armour, and well, thats your budget gone without tanks, airforce, or anything else.
So its got to be a poorly equipped army.

Most nations can probably have about 5 times their budgets worth of stuff... blah blah.. maintaining is where budget goes... blah... etc...

Two Sea Wolf sub raise their Parascopes to watch The Whitier Fleet Leave.

OOC:
Yep, you're a lyin' sack, just like we figured.

*installs IGNORE on Whittier- *
?

It will take 8 months to pull out all Whittier troops.

Meantime, more oil tankers show up to cipher off gallons of oil.
The Whittier navy has already taken 120 billion gallons of oil from the reserves.

Secret IC: The Poseidon Class continues to creep into the area, working it's way into range of the oil platforms.

Secret IC: The Poseidon Class continues to creep into the area, working it's way into range of the oil platforms.

The Sea Wolfs Have Picked up a group of Unknown Subs near the Oil platforms. the Hatarian Subs are heading there.

OOC: Ignored, your nation is destroyed and has no functional navy.

The Siesatian Govenment demands that Whittier cease all oil activities. Our presence in the Sol System has not ended completely.

OOC: I probobly won't be able to do anything since most modern tech nations are too scared to fight future tech.

Canales accepts the Whittier pull out proposal though we wish they would stop taking the oil

OOC: I wonder if I should do this? Yeah why not!

IC: A cruiser from out of sight of the Whittier ships fires a torpedo at the hull of one of the tankers which "isnt taking oil". The torpedo punches a hole in the hull and then the cruiser fires a flare into the hull.

OOC: Enjoy!!!