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Praetonian Unveils the IPO-145 Hoplite MBT [Next Generation]

Praetonia
25-09-2004, 13:36
IPO-145 Hoplite MBT

History

The Hoplite project was begun to take over the vitally important requirement for an MBT capable of taking on any other MBT or HBT currently in service with any nation anywhere in the world. The MBT slot in the Imperial Guard had been filled for many years by the Scimitar, and later the Praetorian, MBT. The Scimitar proved to be fraught with problems from the design stage. It was built at a time when the Praetonian economy was lacklustre and her population small, so a technologically advanced MBT project was beyond the reach of the then recently nationalised General Ordinance. The vehicle was prone to breaking down, the recoil from the gun would damage the turret mechanism when fired and shells often went wildly off course. The Praetorian MBT developed as a replacement never got past the prototype phase. The new armour scheme and gun caused costs to spiral rapidly out of control until the project, riddled with problems and technical difficulties, was canned to attempt to cut the monetary losses.

Design and Protection

The hull for the Hoplite MBT was designed to provide as much protection as possible and still remain as aerodynamic as possible. As such the armour is heavily sloped, especially on the front and the on the turret. The characteristically large turret, designed to house a large ETC cannon, is placed partially into the main hull so as not to leave any of the turret ring exposed. The front of the turret is sloped upwards and downwards to meet in the centre forming a triangular prism. The gun pivot is covered by thick kevlar to protect the weak point in the armour caused by the necessarily thinner armour over the elevation mechanism.

The tank armour scheme is one consisting of layered steel alloys, ballistic ceramics, aluminium alloys and titanium infused with carbon whiskers. This high tech but expensive armour scheme provides excellent protection all over the vehicle. It is designed to take RPG-17 hits most of the time over most of the vehicle, even on the tracks which are covered by large armoured flaps which can be removed relatively quickly if repairs are required. It is also designed to be impervious to 30mm fire and shell splinters all over the vehicle. It can also be equipped with a ‘tank roof’ for added protection against top-attack munitions.

The Hoplite is also equipped with a variety of active defence systems, including smoke launchers capable of concealing the tank in a thick chemical smoke screen, designed to block out light in the visible and infrared spectrums. Also in built are various systems to help the tank stay operational if it is hit. All of the ammunition is stored either in armoured boxes or inside the armoured autoloader. The tank features fume-extractor systems and NBC / EMP protection. The tank armour is rated at approximately 2,100mm RHA front, 800mm RHA sides and 500mm RHA rear and top.

Weaponry

The decision was made at an early stage to equip the tank with a large calibre ETC smoothbore cannon in line with other contemporary vehicles. It was not, however, until the later design phases that the final decision was made between the 135mm, 140mm and 155mm guns. The 135mm was the weapon of choice up until now and it was very popular with Praetonian tank crews, however it was judged to be too small to adequately compete with the vehicles of other nations. The 155mm was a powerful weapon, but it was realised that such a weapon would make the tank very heavy, a high calibre version of such a weapon would be impractical and a high muzzle velocity would be difficult to achieve. As such, the 140mm ETC smoothbore cannon was chosen.

The 140mm ‘Piliam’ cannon is capable of firing APFSDS, HEAT, HE-FRAG, canister, thermite, top-attack, submunition and SCRAMjet rounds as well as SMAT ATGMs. The new SCRAMjet rounds, despite being an incredible leap forwards on paper (in theory being able to penetrate almost any thickness of armour) are not as successful as many think. They are prone to shattering or vapourising on impact and, like all other solid rod penetrators lose much of their penetrative power when hitting at an angle, not to mention the difficulties inherent in getting the shell up to the required mach 5 or so to activate the SCRAMjet booster.

Top attack and submunition rounds are effective due to their targeting of the weak top armour of a tank. Three or four submunition rounds are fired in a single shell which breaks above the target. The submunitions are then guided down onto a target where their HEAT-style hopefully breaks through the top armour and destroys the vehicle. These are excellent for indirect and counter-battery fire. Top attack rounds work like normal AT rounds, except that they fire a high trajectory and are guided down onto a target. Each tank has ammunition storage capacity for 35 140mm ETC rounds.

The gun fired SMAT (Standard Missile, Anti-Tank) ATGM is an IR-guided HEAT missile which can penetrate upwards of 1,050mm RHA which travels fast enough so as not to allow a tank time to intercept or avoid the missile. Each tank can carry 8 – 10 SMATs. All tank ammunition is stored in an autoloader, which can cycle clockwise and counter clockwise to enable the faster selection of ammunition.

The tank is also equipped with a 20mm co-axial chaincannon, capable of firing HE and APFSDS ammunition, although HE is usually used with the gun for infantry suppression. Also mounted co-axially to the main gun is a 12.7mm machinegun. The tank carries 300 rounds of 20mm ammunition and 2,000 rounds of 12.7mm ammunition.

Mounted on the commander’s armoured cupola is a 7.62mm chaingun with 1,000 rounds, and stored inside the tank is a single 5.56mm machinegun and an XM8 with 4 clips for each of the three crewman to be used in case the tank has to be abandoned.

Electronics and Targeting Systems

The tank is equipped with external cameras and flat-screen displays to enable the crew to see whilst protected from fire. The cameras can view both the visible and infrared spectrums, allowing the vision systems to remain operational in night time conditions and in smoke screens. These, however, are not certain to last the battle and camera lenses are certainly not impervious to even 5.56mm rifle bullets. As such the tank is also equipped with traditional vision blocks and hatches for all three crewmembers.

The tank is equipped with LADAR and infrared targeting sensors, as well as weather sensors to allow the gun to compensate for wind. These can fire the round conventionally to an astonishing accuracy and they can also upload co-ordinates to guided rounds and SMAT missiles, enabling these weapons to hit almost every time.

The Hoplite is equipped with a wide array of communications hardware, including radio and satellite uplinks. The on board computers can be used to download specific mission plans and objectives to the vehicle. The Praetonian armed forces uses a specially designed version of Linux to increase security, although using this system is always a risk as no network is unhackable. The onboard computers can also be used to display the positions of all friendly tanks and military units, as well as known positions of enemy battlefield units detected by other tanks and even aircraft, to create what has been called an ‘integrated battlefield’.

Propulsion

The Hoplite is equipped with a hybrid turbine/electric engine. This system charges the onboard batteries whilst the turbine is active, and then the turbine can be deactivated and the tank can switch wholely to battery power for a period of time. This saves on fuel and allows the vehicle to run almost silently for a period of time. The engine itself is very powerful – capable of pushing the large 78 ton tank to 35mph off-road in turbine mode.

Application and Sales

The Praetonian armed forces will be taking an order for over 5,000 IPO-145 Hoplite MBTs, but the Imperial Government sees no need to export our finest military technology overseas. If there is a large demand for it, then a scaled down export version may be made available, and full domestic version Hoplites will of course be sold to our closest allies for a small profit. Each example is expected to cost $10,000,000 to construct, on top of the $10bn design costs.

OOC: This is negotiable. So, what do you think? Is there anything wrong with it? Do you like it / dislike it? Constructive criticism is very much welcome.
Axis Nova
25-09-2004, 13:41
I like it. A lot. I'm also glad that at least one other person is willing to accept that a scramjet round has severe drawbacks...
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 13:48
OOC: Thankyou. I've tried to describe the drawbacks of the design as well as I can. You see a lot of nations showing their military hardware as being problem-free but in real life nothing ever works first time and even the most successful of tank designs have had problems.
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 15:00
Bump
Jeruselem
25-09-2004, 15:58
OOC

This thing run on diesel or petrol (or Gas to the Yanks)?
Tyrandis
25-09-2004, 16:08
OOC: You might want to add a fire control radar on it, it really does help with accuracy of shots over longer distances.
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 16:16
OOC: Jerusalem: I was thinking a gas turbine engine, but I'm not too up on these engine thingies so I'm not entirely sure.

Tyrandis: I always thought that trees, bullets, random stuff in the way etc presented too much clutter for a radar to be useful on a ground vehicle, but I if that isn't the case then I shall add one.
Jeruselem
25-09-2004, 16:49
OOC: Jerusalem: I was thinking a gas turbine engine, but I'm not too up on these engine thingies so I'm not entirely sure.

Tyrandis: I always thought that trees, bullets, random stuff in the way etc presented too much clutter for a radar to be useful on a ground vehicle, but I if that isn't the case then I shall add one.

Abrams M1A1/M1A2 specs (uses gas turbine)
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/m1-specs.htm

If your tanks uses a gas turbine, then the Abrams M1A2 (70 tons) is close yours.

Fuel consumption
A tank will need approximately 300 gallons every eight hours; this will vary depending on mission, terrain, and weather. A single tank takes 10 minutes to refuel. Refueling and rearming of a tank platoon--four tanks--is approximately 30 minutes under ideal conditions.
0.6 miles per gallon.
60 gallons per hour when traveling cross-country
30+ gallons per hour while operating at a tactical ideal
10 gallons basic idle
A mine plow will increase the fuel consummation rate of a tank by 25 percent
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 16:51
OOC: Thankyou. I was aware of the MIA2 utilising a gas-turbine, but I don't really have anything to reference its performance against.
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 17:29
Bump
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 20:19
Bump
Tom Joad
25-09-2004, 20:57
Is a useful speed achievable whilst it's in battery mode, say at least 12-18km/h? If not then I'd say about the only benefit for such a system is when a tank is idling.
Scandavian States
25-09-2004, 21:01
[So, what's the weight on this thing?]
Praetonia
25-09-2004, 23:00
OOC: Tom Joad: The battery mode allows the tank to travel almost silently, which is an excellent advatage as on a noisy battlefield a silent vehicle is unlikely to be spotted if camoflagued / a long way away / behind cover.

Scandavian States: 78 tonnes, as stated in the propulsion section, although I admit that the reference is rather obscure.
Praetonia
26-09-2004, 10:54
Bump
New Empire
26-09-2004, 11:56
OOC: While I agree with your assesment of the SCRAMjet round, it only needs to reach supersonic, not hypersonic speeds, Mach 2 or so (And the 120mm gun on the M1 might even get Mach 3 or 4 on a shot)

All in all, a very good design. Never thought of using LIDAR on a tank... Hmmm.
Praetonia
26-09-2004, 12:00
OOC: Thankyou. I'll look into the SCRAMjet thing. I do actually use the round, it just isnt the uber-be-all-and-end-all of tank warfare that people seem to make out.
New Empire
26-09-2004, 16:14
OOC: I use SCRAMjets as smart shells and such, really. Give your tank a cheap UAV, and a SCRAMjet round, and you have a good ranged artillery unit.
Praetonia
26-09-2004, 16:21
OOC: I see... wouldn't the engine and the fuel and the sensors take up practically all the space on the shell though?
New Empire
26-09-2004, 16:49
OOC: No sensors on the shell, just some manuvering capability. The Mini UAV provides targeting data to the shell for course correction and spotting for the tank.
Praetonia
26-09-2004, 16:55
OOC: I would also ask how a thin piece of metal travelling at mach 7+ is meant to maneoveur (sp?) without breaking up or simply spinning wildly off course.
New Empire
26-09-2004, 16:59
OOC: Good point... Usually the shells are given the top attack profile, which keeps the scramjet off until the apex of flight is reached (Mach 7 terminal run), or the scramjet is used as a dumbfire range extender.
Praetonia
26-09-2004, 17:00
OOC: I see, I'll bear that in mind.
Sarzonia
28-09-2004, 15:08
[OOC: Since my expertise in ground combat is very limited, I don't know if any comments I would make would hold much weight, but the narrative is well-written from what I can tell. I'm very interested in this tank.]
Chardonay
28-09-2004, 19:07
OOOH praetonia... why didn't you simply buy our crusader-X MBT rather than come up with a virtually identical version with a larger gun... sigh. Nicely done though.

Still, it might be nice to point out that many of the developments are based on DCA equipment... the cameras and flatscreens, armor, turbine/electric engines (you'll want to use deisel, not gas. The M1 actually uses diesel fuel despite being called gas turbine. Diesel is far less explosive, and you don't want your nice tanks being turned into torches), thermite based incendiary ammunition, submunitions (though they won't be able to do damage against tanks... you practically need the whole shell to penetrate top armor nowadays... I'm guessing you could get 300mm of penetration out of each submunition), the Linux OS and battlenetwork. I admit that these individually are not brilliant moves forward... but all together, it might be nice to give some credit =)

A nice tank... BUT THE GUN'S TOO BIG and scramjet shells are impossible. If you can find me a material that will withstand the stresses you're putting on it... then I'll accept it.
Excalibor
28-09-2004, 19:25
Have you thought about organizing Time-on-Target for multiple tanks in a singular location? You could probably have one tank control the computers in the other tanks to create a perfect Time-on-Target barrage. Of course there would be a backup protocol in case that on tank were destroyed.
I like the tank as a whole and would like to order one for testing when it becomes available.
Chardonay
28-09-2004, 19:30
That wouldn't be a problem at all, given the battlefield network he uses. But I;m not sure how useful it would be... time on target is for bombardment, while this tank seems to be optimized for a tank killing role. A SPA version would certainly be possible, but armor protection would need to be reduced dramatically.
Sarzonia
28-09-2004, 19:36
OOOH praetonia... why didn't you simply buy our crusader-X MBT rather than come up with a virtually identical version with a larger gun... sigh. Nicely done though.[OOC: If he came up with the tank on his own, why not be creative rather than just simply rely on foreign products, particularly stripped down import versions?

I will most likely be trying to create my own MBT as well and will be scouring various sources for inspiration for that tank. That way, I can be sure of the technology.]
Chardonay
28-09-2004, 20:17
[OOC: I know... just a little amused because we're fairly close allies, in the same region, and he's already purchased production rights to our anti-shipping submunitions.]
Sarzonia
28-09-2004, 20:22
[OOC: I know... just a little amused because we're fairly close allies, in the same region, and he's already purchased production rights to our anti-shipping submunitions.][OOC: Gotcha.]
Praetonia
28-09-2004, 21:18
OOOH praetonia... why didn't you simply buy our crusader-X MBT rather than come up with a virtually identical version with a larger gun... sigh. Nicely done though.

Still, it might be nice to point out that many of the developments are based on DCA equipment... the cameras and flatscreens, armor, turbine/electric engines (you'll want to use deisel, not gas. The M1 actually uses diesel fuel despite being called gas turbine. Diesel is far less explosive, and you don't want your nice tanks being turned into torches), thermite based incendiary ammunition, submunitions (though they won't be able to do damage against tanks... you practically need the whole shell to penetrate top armor nowadays... I'm guessing you could get 300mm of penetration out of each submunition), the Linux OS and battlenetwork. I admit that these individually are not brilliant moves forward... but all together, it might be nice to give some credit =)

A nice tank... BUT THE GUN'S TOO BIG and scramjet shells are impossible. If you can find me a material that will withstand the stresses you're putting on it... then I'll accept it.
OOC: Looking back on it I realise this... the engine did get its inspiration from your tank, but the flat screens, linux etc... I dont see how else you could do it (save programming some new OS which would basically be Linux with a different name). You cant exactly put CRTs in a tank and cameras on the outside are an idea I had pre-NS and integrated battlefield is comething I developed originally for my ships and navy (as well as their accompanying aircraft notably AWACs) and thermite and submunitions are not DCA tech, I can link you to info on both on army-technology (I think that's what it's called), if you want.
Sarzonia
28-09-2004, 21:21
OOC: [snip]... I can link you to info on both on army-technology (I think that's what it's called), if you want.

Indeed (http://www.army-technology.com).
Chardonay
28-09-2004, 21:41
I've been to army-tech, thanks. And I'm not saying you stole my ideas at all... just the linux based battlenetwork was something I developed back in march... it hurts to see someone else using it. And I know that it's not all DCA tech... but the application, and synthesis was.
Praetonia
30-09-2004, 18:44
OOC: I see. I understand that you did it before me, and as you are an ally, perhaps I could arrange to buy your system instead? Of course I would have to alter it slightly for security purposes (my nation is slightly paranoid) and I will keep my original system for the navy.
Anagonia
22-12-2004, 11:32
BUMP because it deserves another look...