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IDF shipyards is planning on designing new classes of warships and subs. I want to just ask and see what you want on your ships so I can make as many people happy and get an idea of what people want. This is our 1st time conducting such market research and we just want to figure out what people need or want.

IDF is already building the new 12 Tribes class super carrier, which will hold 195 F-35Cs due to it's trimarian hull and long length.

We are also building a large battleship with 24 or 26 in guns to give another choice besides the 21 in gun Arizona class and 16in Iowa class, but without spending money on expensive 30 in gun Guillen class dreadnoughts.

We want to build a new SSN (maybe two, one a small fast one and another large multi-mission one that would be improve on Seawolf.), an SSK, and an SSBN/SSGN design (that will be the same basic hull, but with minor differances for mission)

We don't know if we need a new FFG since the Chicago met many people's demands and the DDGs seem fine, but we are willing to design a new one.

We would like to add another Aegis cruiser to the lineup since we haven't designed our own cruisers besides the VLS missile cruisers, which we don't need to design more of. We want mult-purpose CGs to improve on and replace the Ticonderog (which will still be offered)

How about some lighter ships for the smaller nations (<250 million), such as light carriers or missile cruisers?

How about some lighter ships for the smaller nations (<250 million), such as light carriers or missile cruisers?
I have a light carrier, the Charles de Gaulle CVN. It is good for young nations.

We have the Ticonderoga II right now as a missile cruiser, but a missile cruiser is one of the ships I want to build.

I have a light carrier, the Charles de Gaulle CVN. It is good for young nations.

We have the Ticonderoga II right now as a missile cruiser, but a missile cruiser is one of the ships I want to build.
Got Arsenal ships?
Can put tons of variations on them, ASW warfare, AA, and just normal Cruise missle launches

Got Arsenal ships?
Can put tons of variations on them, ASW warfare, AA, and just normal Cruise missle launches
I have 2, they were mentioned above as VLS missile cruisers. They are my large Cherokee class and the slightly smaller Imperator class. They can carry whatever missiles you want and can have upgraded SONAR for your use.

A small easily affordable sub might be a good idea. Somehow I can think of smaller nations buying that.
SSKs are good for their price, and the small SSN that I'm considering will be a cheaper nuclear sub, although it won't be able to handle as many specialized nations, it will handle anti-ship and ASW ops better. It won't carry as many TLAMs, but will be faster, more maneuverable, and quieter

Here's a little thought...Submersible carriers. Yes I know it's been done before, but with the right aircraft it's actually not as daft an idea as you might first think.

Here's a little thought...Submersible carriers. Yes I know it's been done before, but with the right aircraft it's actually not as daft an idea as you might first think.
Lol, Person to talk to about that is New Empire, he uses them in future tech, but NE can give you the lowdown on them

Here's a little thought...Submersible carriers. Yes I know it's been done before, but with the right aircraft it's actually not as daft an idea as you might first think.

I know in WWII the Japanese had subs that carried 1-4 seaplanes. It isn't a real practical idea with Jets and is too costly to make one large enough. It is possible, but I don't know the exact mechanics of how to make a practical one.

I'm not sure how feasible this is, but here goes:

An aircraft carrier, with a launch area under the main deck. High enough, so it doesn't get flooded, and they may mean it would have to be a bit larger than current CVNs. Not a landing area, just for launch, so the aircraft will still land on the main flight deck.

It will probably be more difficult to launch from this area than from the main flight deck, but it could also save some time, in an emergency. Maybe only a few seconds, but in combat, a few seconds can decide the war.

Also, say if an enemy is strafing your carrier, if the aircraft are launched from underneath like this, it could give them protection enough to get airborne, which could dramatically increase odds of survival.

Like I said, I'm not sure how feasible this is, but if anyone has other suggestions for this idea, I'd like to here them as well.

BTW, great idea, IDF.

IDF:
I don't think this is too impractical or technically impossible, how about carriers and battleships that have underwater docking availalble for subs. So that exchanges of man power, supplies, weapons, etc. can be made without the sub having to surface and with all but the most sophisticated sonar and radar getting a single signature instead of identifying two ships. What a surprise if the enemy attacks your carrier and suddenly there is a sub there as well that you were unaware of. Just an idea, but I think it is reasonable and feasible.

Maui... that could be used both ways. You could either covertly resupply the carrier, or for your spy missions, covertly resupply the sub, so no one ever sees them...

Looks like there's some good ideas floating around here.

(Sorry IDF.)

I need an aircraft carrier that can defend itself against battleships and carry at least 200 aircraft.

Maui... that could be used both ways. You could either covertly resupply the carrier, or for your spy missions, covertly resupply the sub, so no one ever sees them...

Looks like there's some good ideas floating around here.

(Sorry IDF.)

OOC: Yeah, I guess my post didn't make it clear now that I read it again, but I was thinking exactly that, re-supply the sub or the ship, whichever needs it depending on circumstances. Thanks.

I know in WWII the Japanese had subs that carried 1-4 seaplanes. It isn't a real practical idea with Jets and is too costly to make one large enough. It is possible, but I don't know the exact mechanics of how to make a practical one.
The Japs had a sub with 15 planes on it that was on the way to Panama where it would surface, launch the planes which in turn would bomb the Panama canal.
But the sub was destroyed by allied ships thinking it was just another Jap sub.
They were building more of them at the time they lost those islands and the mainland asia to the allied forces causing them to lose the resources and ability to continue work on them.

I'm not sure how feasible this is, but here goes:

An aircraft carrier, with a launch area under the main deck. High enough, so it doesn't get flooded, and they may mean it would have to be a bit larger than current CVNs. Not a landing area, just for launch, so the aircraft will still land on the main flight deck.

It will probably be more difficult to launch from this area than from the main flight deck, but it could also save some time, in an emergency. Maybe only a few seconds, but in combat, a few seconds can decide the war.

Also, say if an enemy is strafing your carrier, if the aircraft are launched from underneath like this, it could give them protection enough to get airborne, which could dramatically increase odds of survival.

Like I said, I'm not sure how feasible this is, but if anyone has other suggestions for this idea, I'd like to here them as well.

BTW, great idea, IDF.


I'd say that htis is possible, but not efficient. The idea of a carrier battle group is you are suppose to protect your carrier well enough so it doesn't come to the need for that. Of course my carriers are well armored, but this system is also a problem in terms of you carry less planes and are therefore more vulnerable.

IDF:
I don't think this is too impractical or technically impossible, how about carriers and battleships that have underwater docking availalble for subs. So that exchanges of man power, supplies, weapons, etc. can be made without the sub having to surface and with all but the most sophisticated sonar and radar getting a single signature instead of identifying two ships. What a surprise if the enemy attacks your carrier and suddenly there is a sub there as well that you were unaware of. Just an idea, but I think it is reasonable and feasible.

You could do that, but the larger sub tenders can do that so why bother. You also have floating drydocks like Arco that are taken with a battlegroup so there is really no need to do this for subs. Plus, even without any of these, you will not know a sub is there.

There isn't much of a need for this anyways. Subs carry provisions for 6 months and wouldn't have to surface once, but if they do all this is done with helos from a carrier or land. Of course, you need a sub tender or drydock to reload weapons, but other than that you have no need for this and it isn't that often a sub needs to reload at sea.

Maui... that could be used both ways. You could either covertly resupply the carrier, or for your spy missions, covertly resupply the sub, so no one ever sees them...

Looks like there's some good ideas floating around here.

(Sorry IDF.)
When you resupply a sub, it is done at a time when there is no surveillance in the area so the need isn't that great, except in case of SEAL missions where you need to put an ASDV or DSRV on a sub or to reload weapons, but even then you can do it so no one knows with Arco floating drydocks or sub tenders so there is no real need for deminishing the effectiveness of a large combatant like a battleship or carrier.

make a dreadnought but put some chinese nuke cannons on it :sniper:

I need an aircraft carrier that can defend itself against battleships and carry at least 200 aircraft.
I have one being developed that can carry 195 aircraft, it will be able to defend itself from a battleship if you attack the ship from hundreds of miles away with a massive airstrike. The carrier will have a good amount of CIWS and defenses

You could do that, but the larger sub tenders can do that so why bother. You also have floating drydocks like Arco that are taken with a battlegroup so there is really no need to do this for subs. Plus, even without any of these, you will not know a sub is there.

There isn't much of a need for this anyways. Subs carry provisions for 6 months and wouldn't have to surface once, but if they do all this is done with helos from a carrier or land. Of course, you need a sub tender or drydock to reload weapons, but other than that you have no need for this and it isn't that often a sub needs to reload at sea.

Didn't think of this, nevermind, Duhhh! :headbang:

A missile crusier of a large size, like a Kirov type ship would be very useful.

I have one being developed that can carry 195 aircraft, it will be able to defend itself from a battleship if you attack the ship from hundreds of miles away with a massive airstrike. The carrier will have a good amount of CIWS and defenses
Could you put howitzers on it and anti aircraft guns on it?

A missile crusier of a large size, like a Kirov type ship would be very useful.
And that is one thing I'm designing. Something with the strength of a Kirov and the electronics of a Tico

Could you put howitzers on it and anti aircraft guns on it?
sure, I'll even have multiple SAM launchers, so the AA guns are useless when you also have RAMs and 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS. You can fit Exocet or Harpoon missile launchers too, at the cost of some flight deck space, or have a little platform jut out from the underside of the flight deck for it.

sure, I'll even have multiple SAM launchers, so the AA guns are useless when you also have RAMs and 30mm Goalkeeper CIWS. You can fit Exocet or Harpoon missile launchers too, at the cost of some flight deck space, or have a little platform jut out from the underside of the flight deck for it.
sounds good. what's the take off rate for one of those carriers?

sounds good. what's the take off rate for one of those carriers?
unknown yet as it is in the design phase. We are almost done with design and have laid down the hull for the 1st 2. Price will be posted later

OK, lots of folks (including me) have come up with ideas about "big" boats (carriers, battleships, cruisers, etc.) how about smaller craft? They're very important as well. How about a re-design of the original DUCK? What about PT and Swift boats? As an Island nation myself, some well designed, well armored and equipped boats like this would be of exceptional use for defense as well as customs/immigration uses. They are also easily transported for conflicts in other countries and for the use and landing of troops from transports, etc. I'm thinking about designs/specs. as I type this, but I thought I'd go ahead and throw it out there to get this ball rolling.

OK, lots of folks (including me) have come up with ideas about "big" boats (carriers, battleships, cruisers, etc.) how about smaller craft? They're very important as well. How about a re-design of the original DUCK? What about PT and Swift boats? As an Island nation myself, some well designed, well armored and equipped boats like this would be of exceptional use for defense as well as customs/immigration uses. They are also easily transported for conflicts in other countries and for the use and landing of troops from transports, etc. I'm thinking about designs/specs. as I type this, but I thought I'd go ahead and throw it out there to get this ball rolling.

I don't know about a duck, As for PT boats, I'm going to desigbn a corvette and small patrol boats (maybe based on the PBR) I may make swift boat for a joke.

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Presenting the Coward class, aka John F'ing Kerry class. Ride the waves of a brown water Navy and stab your friends in the back while collecting fraudulent medals. Only from IDF shipyards, get yours now.
I'll take a "billiob."

Pt boats...there's a thought, but I think a small missle boat would over all be a better idea.

And how about invasion ships, ie troop carrying ships. And even hover landing craft fot them.

Pt boats...there's a thought, but I think a small missle boat would over all be a better idea.

And how about invasion ships, ie troop carrying ships. And even hover landing craft fot them.
I'm developing them all. I have the Wasp II, but that is the extent of amphibious forces at this time

I would like to see a low cost troop carrier and landing craft.

I would like to see a low cost troop carrier and landing craft.
I'm busy and they will be added eventually