NationStates Jolt Archive

Should I develope one?

It is up to you.

What's your population?

202,000,000 and I have a Powerhouse Economy.

Should I develope one?

Weapons, or power?

Nuclear power is how I came about my nuclear presence as I call it.

Good enough for me is saying "Make a few researches, be like any old left winger and do it for power. Improve, then if needed, make a few missles for a blush, never use them for real."

Now I will ahve many people running in at me becouse I have thousands of nuclear-warheads and even more missle cases, all set for many points on the map of people I hate, so no one attack me now! *runs and hides*

Head straight for the WMDs my freind.

We support you if it is solely for nuclear power for generating electricity.
We oppose you developing nuclear weapons.

What's your population?

What the hell difference does population make, really?

What the hell difference does population make, really?
Most people think that a smaller nation shouldn't really have nukes, as i remember, most people thought 50-100 million people is enough to support a nuclear weapon. I had about none till Zambuda's age anyways

Most people think that a smaller nation shouldn't really have nukes, as i remember, most people thought 50-100 million people is enough to support a nuclear weapon. I had about none till Zambuda's age anyways

I'm aware of that. It doesn't make the idea any less dumb because most people subscribe to it.

Most people think that a smaller nation shouldn't really have nukes, as i remember, most people thought 50-100 million people is enough to support a nuclear weapon. I had about none till Zambuda's age anyways

I'm not sure why :confused:. A bunch of countries in RL have nukes and they have under 50 million people - terrorists can supposedly get them, and there aren't even a million of them (I hope). And it's not as if they're hard to find around here. I would have thought your economy would be much more useful in deciding, surely...?

I agree with both of you, but i'm just stating what i know

we will sell you i dont know...say 100 of our obsalete IRBMs if you want (that way you can devlop a nuclear program quicker :P or not at all but just have the missiles remove the nuclear warheads and place conventional ones).

Hiroshima I IRBM:

Total Length (m):- 22.77
Total Length W/O warhead (m):- 18.6
Missile Diameter (m):- 1.55
Launch Weight (t):- 42.1
Fuel Weight (t):- 35
Range (miles):- 3,800
Warhead Type:- Single
Yield (Mt):- 0.9
Baseing mode:- Ground based/Silo based
Number of Stages:- 1

Booster guidance system:- Inertial, autonomous
Propellants:- Liquid Storable
Launching Mode:- Hot Launch
Burn Time (secs):- 160
Deplyment Date: 15/09/04

pic here (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v378/corpsac/Hiroshima_I.jpg)

OOC: Alright, I'm gonna end this hijacking by telling you the unofficial rule on nukes (weapons and power both) Pretty much, at about 100 million population, you can start developing nuclear power, and by 150 million or so, you can start developing weapons... a brand new country in RL cannot just have 50,000 nukes come out of nowhere within a few yrs of it's founding... it wouldn't have the ability, with the amount of scientific research, technology, and money it would cost...

However, if you've got the funding to (a good eco and around 40-45 million+), you can buy nukes, and start researching... Also, if another nation, say, funds your research, technology, and just the cost to start producing, then it can start almost immediately...

That's pretty much the ends and outs of this nuke deal...
/End Hijack\

IC:
New Zambuda, as long as you do not produce WMD's and use them aggressively, you have our support. All nations who threaten New Zambuda's soveignty of having the ability to produce nuclear power and weapons will have to face us.

Thank you,

President Maybury

OOC:

Yeah...what ViZion said.

IC:

"Yeah, what ViZion said."

Secret IC:

Teymorian Armaments Company Memo:

We can sell you 500 warheads for use in ICBMs. The warheads have a yield of 20 megatons and are very good "city busters." Asking price is 30 million dollars."

We are not interested in buying or devlopeing any at the moment, We were just testing world opinion. Thank you all for your support.

OOC: Alright, I'm gonna end this hijacking by telling you the unofficial rule on nukes (weapons and power both) Pretty much, at about 100 million population, you can start developing nuclear power, and by 150 million or so, you can start developing weapons... a brand new country in RL cannot just have 50,000 nukes come out of nowhere within a few yrs of it's founding... it wouldn't have the ability, with the amount of scientific research, technology, and money it would cost...

Regurgitating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it any less nonsense. The idea that just because I only started playing a nation a week ago, that that nation suddenly appeared out of nowhere a week ago, is laughable. Nations don't abruptly appear out of nowhere, with a population of 5 million. Even if a nation breaks off from another nation, it still has infrastructure and history of the parent nation.

Regurgitating the same nonsense over and over doesn't make it any less nonsense. The idea that just because I only started playing a nation a week ago, that that nation suddenly appeared out of nowhere a week ago, is laughable. Nations don't abruptly appear out of nowhere, with a population of 5 million. Even if a nation breaks off from another nation, it still has infrastructure and history of the parent nation.
OOC: As far as the nation coming out of nowhere goes, you gotta start somewhere... ;-)

/end hijack again

OOC: As far as the nation coming out of nowhere goes, you gotta start somewhere...

I don't see why that somewhere can't be the late bronze age, 3500 years before the start of play. Denying new nations any history takes about 99% of the fun out of playing them.

I don't see why that somewhere can't be the late bronze age, 3500 years before the start of play. Denying new nations any history takes about 99% of the fun out of playing them.
Wow wow wow, alright, you've got that part a little mixed up...
There is no rule (unofficial or official) that says you can't have a history... alotta nations start up saying that they revolted from bla country, or they have a whole history behind them that they make up... ViZion has history before I actually started it, in fact... :-)

So, that issue is not a problem... and there is no set time on NS. Today in RL isn't 12/12/2093 or w/e, it all depends on you, and the RP... now, obviously, if you're a future or space-tech nation, you've got nukes... but if you're modern-tech, then when you start out, you gotta work for it... and if you're in a time of the past, you'd have to work for it, too... btw, for thr record, ViZion RP's modern, future and space-tech levels...

but if you're modern-tech, then when you start out, you gotta work for it...

No, because if you're a modern tech nation, there is no reason that 50 years of nuclear research cannot be a part of your history. To declare otherwise is entirely arbitrary. The rule was only suggested to discourage n00bs, and it fails miserably because not only do n00bs never play by any kind of rules (including the laws of physics), but it prevents decent roleplayers from being taken seriously for at least a month.

No, because if you're a modern tech nation, there is no reason that 50 years of nuclear research cannot be a part of your history. To declare otherwise is entirely arbitrary. The rule was only suggested to discourage n00bs, and it fails miserably because not only do n00bs never play by any kind of rules (including the laws of physics), but it prevents decent roleplayers from being taken seriously for at least a month.
That's the reason we have the Ignore Cannon :-) As for 50 years of research... take a look at how many nations in 2004 actually have the ability to produce nukes... Not to many... Thus you just countered your self there, as you want it to be realistic. Well, it is more realistic than saying "every new nation has the ability to pump out nukes" Remember, this is RP, there has to be guidelines, and that is a guideline that has been in affect for a loooong time. I think I speak for practicly every good RP'er out there by saying this: I'd prefer seeing a nation RP it's research and and then production than allowing every new nation to instantly have the ability to build nukes, rather it be 1 or 1 trillion. We can't treat some nations special by saying "You can have nukes" to one person and then saying "You can't have nukes" to the next person, as that would be rather unrealistic and unfair. This guideline is to prevent godmodding, give people an idea of timelines, make it more realistic, and make the game fairer for RPing, along with giving a nation a chance to improve on it's RPing skills and credibility. It is a whole better system overall than allowing every new nation to have nukes... the same basic principle applies on planet- and star-destroyers in space-tech.

IIRC, the USA had 10,000 nukes or more at a 240,000,000 population during the peak of the Cold War.

Heh. You want national history? Try the Republic of Tessen (NS= Tessen).

http://www.jonbaas.com/tessen.html

:)

-Jon

That's the reason we have the Ignore Cannon :-) As for 50 years of research... take a look at how many nations in 2004 actually have the ability to produce nukes... Not to many... Thus you just countered your self there, as you want it to be realistic.

That's because the real world has only one superpower which doesn't like anyone else except it having nukes, and a whole lot of non-proliferation treaties. The actual nations that do have nukes, are mostly smaller than a 1 month old NS nation. Even Russia only has the same population as 1.5 month old NS nation. Whether a nation can develop nukes has nothing to do with population, but more to do with availability of funds (i.e. economy) and how paranoid that particular nation is. The reasons most RL nations are without nukes, are largely due to those nation's politics and history, and RL global politics. NS is completely different, with a distinct lack of ICly agreed non-proliferation laws and a lot of powerful economies. Declaring that nations must reach 100 mill doesn't reduce the number of nations that have nukes anyway, as all nations will reach that size, and most are larger than that at any given time.

Yes, we have ignore cannons to ignore n00bs. Therefore, what is the point of imposing an arbitrary rule that the n00bs will not adhere to anyway? If someone's an idiot, ignore them. Use the ignore cannons!. There's no need to spoil it for all the non-idiots, by making up an arbitrary law that states when they can have nukes.

Unless you believe it takes 95 million people to operate a Uranium enrichment facility, there isn't any reason why a nation of 5 million people (*cough* Israel *cough*) cannot develop nuclear power.