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Announcement from STAT-COMM:

The following is an excerpt from a speech made by Governess Yetskora at the ceremony for the Founding of the New State:


"Citizens, I stand before you at this moment to announce the official founding of the New State of Lasatania. A moment where we bury the ghosts of the past and lay to rest the infighting and rivalry within our own nation that has led to the loss of so much life. It is at this moment that I gie you the chance to submit your life to the State and for the State to provide you with all that you need.

The past year has seen much work done in rebuilding the State and changing the systems in place in order to maximise the returns the State can reap from our improved efforts. In short, we are looking towards a future where the individual will no longer sit in isolation, but will rather consider the State to be an extension of themselves.

To this end, I hereby declare that the six points founding the basis of the New State of Lasatania have entered into law and that we are now all subject to them."



Principles of the New State:



1. Abolition of Political Parties - All political parties are now banned within Lasatania. All functions of political parties are now carried out by the State. The State exists to serve its citizens and further the development of the nation of Lasatania. The state is ruled by the Governess, who is in turn advised by the State Administrative Board - a board of 12 advisors selected by the Governess on grounds of ability, experience and dedication to the State. (In essence, Lasatania is close to a meritocracy).

2. Absolute equality - All citizens of Lasatania are subject to the rule of law ordained by the Governess following the Founding of the New State. All citizens are subject to testing at the age of 11 and 16 to ascertain a suitable role for them within the State apparatus. This role is not permanent and citizens who have strove to improve themselves can request a change of position from the State Planning Office. Those bored with their position can apply for a change of role at the same level. All citizens have equal access to education, medical and social care, though those refusing to contribute to the state without good reason will find these resources denied to them.

3. Abolition of Capital - Following the Founding of the New State, capitalist systems within Lasatania were abolished. Citizens will now receive an allocation of commodities depending on their contribution to the State. Each citizen will receive a minimum allocation of food regardless, while accomodation is dependent on their role within society and how much they have contributed. All profits raised from industrial production are returned to the state, either in the form of investmentin infrastructure or increased returns to citizens. Continuing the principle of absolute equality, inheritnace is banned, thus ensuring that each citizen is born equal and have no advantage over others.

4. Subjugation of individual will to the State - looking to further enhance the wellbeing of its citizens and strengthening itself, the State rules that all citizens are subject to the will of the State. As a whole the State is only as strong as the number of people conforming to its rule. To this end, all citizens must follow the orders of the state, failure to do so resulting in a reduction in commodities allocation or at worst punishment for subversion.

5. Monitoring - All citizens are monitored via bio-metric implants, CCTV, microphones and other measures to ensure conformity. All citizens, including the State Administrative Board, are subject to monitoring. The only person not monitored is the current Governer/Governess.

6. Isolation - All citizens are currently banned from travelling overseas or communicating with citizens from other countries. To this end, all travel must be authorised by a citizens local STAT-SEC office. Additionally, all media and international communications is now controlled by STAT-COMM, ensuring hegemony of ideas within the state.
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Independence defeated hegemony long ago. And Stalin lost in the end. Because, no matter how hard you try, your enemies will always have ideas. In the end, communism defeats itself, because it seeks to keep 'ideas' away from its own citizenry (since in all truth, the communist gov't believes and operates on the presuposition that its own people are the enemy, and that they have the higher order)... When competing with independent free thinkers, it colapses.

ooc: Was the above an IC statement?

ic: We hope that we can extend relations with this new state. We hereby request and embassy exchange.

OOC: Only difference is, that this totalitarian structure is apolitical and geared towards the greater good of the State, nothing else.

OOC: Only difference is, that this totalitarian structure is apolitical and geared towards the greater good of the State, nothing else.

There is no such thing as 'apolitical'. Your system merely has all the politics controled by the state. It's a closed totalitarianism, divest of any interest in the state (since in fact the government is not the people, but rather a seperate 'authority' which determines, apart from the people what is in their best interest. In fact it's two states, the govenering state, controled by an elite body, independant, and unaccountable... and the true state 'the people' who are forced into subjugation by the evil totalitarianist regime.

You can lable it whatever you want. It's still totalitarian, evil, Stalism at its finest.. that only has interest in maintaining the power of the govenor at the expense of the governed.

i'll start posting in this thread from now on then!

Hmm....it sounds like the GDR

Hegemony can work if it is managed right - goodluck.

THE INTERNATIONAL FLEET INITIATIVE [copied from international incidents]

We ask our neighbors and nations of earth to join in and contribute to the founding of an International Fleet

I The primary purpose of which will be to defend the peaceful efforts of humanity in space. Including but not limited to scientific research, exploration, industrialization, colonization and the infrastructure and facility construction work required to these ends.

II The secondary purpose of the International Fleet will be the long range manned exploration of our system and scouting for future colony sites plus any scientific research and development required to that end.

The requirements for entrance under the protection of the International Fleet is a simple & small variable tax rate on your nations gnp that will be dedicated to the development of fleet resources. In adition to this minimal requirement your nation may contribute what physical and intellectual resources it wants to that is aproved by International Fleet Command - which will be a council of representatives of the IF Protectorate member states.

The second minima for entrance for IF membership is the aquisition of all space assets not dedicated to space exploration and related scientific research.

The Republic of Luna I would like to dedicate the completed recently completed Orbital Shipyards in orbit above the Luna I Copernicus site and the recently launched NX-2, our first extended range starship, the Cortez.

IFS-1 Cortez will move into low earth orbit with a fleet of Aerospace shuttles to ferry potential investors and new IF members to cruiser for talks.

OOC(this is for near future - around 2030 serious roleplay only) If youre interested in joining this near 2030 space RP region and alliance TG me - if youre intersted in throwing in with this from your own region in some way please so state in the telegram.

Dr. Rivera, Prime Minister, Luna I , Copernicus

Hmm....it sounds like the GDR

OOC: Kind of, but worse! :)

There is no such thing as 'apolitical'. Your system merely has all the politics controled by the state. It's a closed totalitarianism, divest of any interest in the state (since in fact the government is not the people, but rather a seperate 'authority' which determines, apart from the people what is in their best interest. In fact it's two states, the govenering state, controled by an elite body, independant, and unaccountable... and the true state 'the people' who are forced into subjugation by the evil totalitarianist regime.

You can lable it whatever you want. It's still totalitarian, evil, Stalism at its finest.. that only has interest in maintaining the power of the govenor at the expense of the governed.
labeling the government evil is a bit farfetched, they are not proposing to subjugate the people into oppression but instead what every citizen to achieve their potential, giving them equal opportunities (affirmative action?) no matter their race, class, color or creed. the government has the people's interest at heart. it doesn't want to create a society where the rich oppress the poor through capitalism or other means of stratification, the government is a creation of the populace and unless it retricts the basic freedoms of its people then can you call such a government oppressive and evil.

OOC: True, that is the very idea behind this state, though admittedly civil liberties are going to be very scarce... but its the old chestnut of freedom vs subjugation and equality/inequality

OOC: Though I must add, we are going to control our people a fair bit at first - though they've always been controlled in this state and don't know any better...

I've had a similar argument somewhere else though with you...

OOC: Anyhoo, I'm a little puzzled as to how my state is now 'evil', especially given the fact that the state functions for the greater good of itself rather than individuals..

the governess sounds like a rite cow

OOC: If you don't mind, I'll quietly observe this experiment.

IC:

The NeoSuunist Prosperity Sphere of Marimaia would like to formally congratulate Governess Yetskora on her bold idealism and desire to improve her nation. We hope that your regime prospers.

::Official Statement from the Ministry of Foreign Relations::

Given the following observations that your government:

1) Deprives its people of a fundamental advantage in the quest for self determination (ie, the control of their posessions, product, and capital),
2) Deprives its people of the ability to control their own political destinies,

the Republic of Mac Cumhail refuses to recognize the legitimacy of your nation.

In accord with our participation in the Capitalist Economic Alliance and Capitalist Defence Alliance treaties, we will have no further diplomatic assosciation with your people from the termination of this letter.

We, the signatories of this missive, do hold the assertions therein to be true, and pledge to hold to them.

Sean Dempsey, Prime Minister
Donchad O'Conner, National Defence Minister
Conal MacArt, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ian MacKenzie, Minister of Finance
Douglass Wallace, President of the Senate
Cian Bregas, Speaker of the House of Commons

Given the following observations that your government:

1) Deprives its people of a fundamental advantage in the quest for self determination (ie, the control of their posessions, product, and capital),
2) Deprives its people of the ability to control their own political destinies,

the Republic of Mac Cumhail refuses to recognize the legitimacy of your nation.

In accord with our participation in the Capitalist Economic Alliance and Capitalist Defence Alliance treaties, we will have no further diplomatic assosciation with your people from the termination of this letter.

We, the signatories of this missive, do hold the assertions therein to be true, and pledge to hold to them.

Sean Dempsey, Prime Minister
Donchad O'Conner, National Defence Minister
Conal MacArt, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Ian MacKenzie, Minister of Finance
Douglass Wallace, President of the Senate
Cian Bregas, Speaker of the House of Commons

OOC: In reponse to this

". Absolute equality - All citizens of Lasatania are subject to the rule of law ordained by the Governess following the Founding of the New State. All citizens are subject to testing at the age of 11 and 16 to ascertain a suitable role for them within the State apparatus. This role is not permanent and citizens who have strove to improve themselves can request a change of position from the State Planning Office. Those bored with their position can apply for a change of role at the same level. All citizens have equal access to education, medical and social care, though those refusing to contribute to the state without good reason will find these resources denied to them. "

So what is wrong with this? Fine, the state assesses its citizens for aptitude and then decides upon a suitable course of career for them. Citizens are freely able to change their role as long as a) they have the ability to and b) the position is available.

Regarding the second point, politics in the conventional sense has ceased to exist in this state and every individual dedicates their services to the state so that the mass can prosper. The removal of capital and the provision of goods/services/commodities eliminates greed and corruption.

The elimination of capitalism is the elimination of control over one's economic destiny. Should your government so choose, it could simply cut off the supply of goods to its people, who would then have no recourse to take their capital elsewhere. Your people are therefore placed totally at the whims of the government, creating an authoritarian state. This concept is anethema to our people, and we will neither support nor acknowledge any government pursuing such a course.

As to your second assertion, being that the elimination of capital eliminates corruption, I point out to you the history of communist nations, and the corruption rife within their borders. Your assertion is woefully naive and idealistic, for corruption is not an extension of economics, but rather an extension of the people controlling an economy. Indeed, the elimination of the personal freedom that capital can provide will allow for greater corruption, because the common citizen will have no economic recourse to levy against the government.

The Republic of Mac Cumhail stands by its resolution.

Sincerely
Conal MacArt, Minister of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Though I must add, we are going to control our people a fair bit at first - though they've always been controlled in this state and don't know any better...

Well, if you're reffering to a sort of 'interim' system to adapt the people into self-government, I can at least give you the benefit of the doubt (but with warning, that the more control a body has, and the more lack of accountability it has to the people, the harder it is in the long run to divest of that 'power' to attain true self-government).

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The elimination of capitalism is the elimination of control over one's economic destiny. Should your government so choose, it could simply cut off the supply of goods to its people, who would then have no recourse to take their capital elsewhere. Your people are therefore placed totally at the whims of the government, creating an authoritarian state. This concept is anethema to our people, and we will neither support nor acknowledge any government pursuing such a course.

As to your second assertion, being that the elimination of capital eliminates corruption, I point out to you the history of communist nations, and the corruption rife within their borders. Your assertion is woefully naive and idealistic, for corruption is not an extension of economics, but rather an extension of the people controlling an economy. Indeed, the elimination of the personal freedom that capital can provide will allow for greater corruption, because the common citizen will have no economic recourse to levy against the government.

The Republic of Mac Cumhail stands by its resolution.

Sincerely
Conal MacArt, Minister of Foreign Affairs

On his point I would have to agree.... Money is not really the root of all evil, POWER is. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely (which is why democracies spread their power over the widest area possible, with the shorest period reasonable. Whatever amounts to that "power" is generally attributed to being the "root of all evil". Communists/Socialist generally attribute it to "money" viewing 'capitalism', merely because money can be power in capitalism... Communism and socialism alternate economies, lacking money do not lack corruption of power. Power becomes status or control of the government (single party mentality), and so the PARTY system becomes the root of evil. It's better to have power spread out, (government control by the people, with seperate economic structure, each in ballance) than to divest both economy and government into a single person/government, whereby there is no check to corruption.

OOC: OK, the simple fact of the matter is that this state is no an apolitical state, where everyone contributes towards the greater good. Capital and politics are removed in order to quell self interest and to prevent one group from controlling the other. All functions of political parties are carried out by state agencies, capital is removed to prevent accumulation of wealth - and thus power.. The State Administrative Board is based on merit.. Overall, if a person is capable, they will rise up the ranks of the state structure.. Paradoxically, this system frees people from the burden of choice and instead ensures all their needs are met..

I am more than aware of the so-called 'socialist path', which in fact was far removed from socialism.. however, I don't believe that the capitalist democratic path is much better..

The current aim of this state is to improve its own position and that of its subjects.. To do so, the individual must submit their will to that of the mass.. Plus, what would you rather have.. a capitalist system with huge differences in income levels, or a state that ensures all of its citizens receive a minimum level of income with the chance to increase this should they contribute more to the state??