NationStates Jolt Archive


Albanian Genocide!

Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 02:26
SI:
The commander, Dionis Kadropoulos was looking at a small Albanian village in Albania under the control of Greece. Dionis had a strong hatred for Albanians ever since five Albanians killed his mother, father, sister, brother and his grandparents. And now that he was promoted to commander with a group of soldiers, around 100, he decided to kill any Albanian he found.

"Troops attack the village! Kill any Albanian you find. Also don't rape the women because you don't know what kind of deseases these animals have."

The soldiers moved into the village and killed many Albanians. The total deaths was around 15,000.

IC:
Next day of the genocide.

"This HENN reporting to you breaking news! Yesterday Greek rogue soldiers of around 100 killed 15,000 Albanians and Albania. The commander was arrested when Greek officials found and is going to stand for trial in the Supreme Court of Greece. The Assembly and the Emperor says that they never gived out a command like that. We will report more news but for now we go back to the show we interrupted."
Inkana
19-09-2004, 02:32
I am Apalled. This is another senseless Genocide in the Balkans. The Sultan wishes the Commander of these murders to be tried at the UN, or Balkan Alliance Courts.
Soviets Unions
19-09-2004, 02:33
Tag.
Order Out of Chaos
19-09-2004, 02:38
Genocide is sometimes neccesary.
Fate and Honor
19-09-2004, 02:39
OOC: Is this against the player nation of Smaller Albania, or just a fun story?
Inkana
19-09-2004, 02:40
Genocide is sometimes neccesary.
Genocide is never neccesary.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 02:41
SI:

"I will not send one of my commander to jail! Espiacially if he is a very good one too!" said Nikolaos

"If you dont there will be riots across Greece and other nations will take this as an opportunity to invade!" yelled out Lazaris III

Kostas Simitis looked at both Nikolaos and Lazaris III

"There is another way. Report to the media that the commander was sentenced to a 25 year in prison. But you will not send him and keep him in the army. Maybe somewhere out in FYROM or Albania but make sure he dosen't do this again!" said Simitis

"It might work. Lets just hope nobady finds out."

IC:

"This is HENN reporting to you on the Albanian Genocide issue. The Supreme Court of Greece has sentenced the commander to 25 years in prison. Nikolaos and the Assembly still insist that they had nothing to do with this."

SI:

"Commander, you are give one more chance not to do this again! We reported to the media that you where sentenced to 25 years in jail but its a lie. You will be depromoted back to a soldier and you will be assigned in FYROM."

"I understand."

"Very well then. Take him away."

Two soldiers took the ex-commander and brought him into a jeep and headed for the base in FYROM.
Independent Macedonia
19-09-2004, 02:42
OOC:I am pretty sure it has nothing to do with Smaller Albania, i would hate for such an event to happen in Smaller Albania at this time.

IC: President Alexandre sent his sympathy to the albanian minority in Greece, stating,"Though the deaths were at the hands of a Greek i am sure that the Greek military and government never gave out any order for such events to take place."
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 02:42
OOC: Is this against the player nation of Smaller Albania, or just a fun story?
OOC: I dont even know who he is lol. This is an incident in the Albania, which I conquered it.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 02:43
I am Apalled. This is another senseless Genocide in the Balkans. The Sultan wishes the Commander of these murders to be tried at the UN, or Balkan Alliance Courts.
We will not send the commander to foreign courts.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Letila
19-09-2004, 02:50
Genocide is sometimes neccesary.

It is never necessary unless a nation is stupid enough to create a genetically enhanced master race.
Roach-Busters
19-09-2004, 02:50
Tag.

I second that.
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:02
We will not send the commander to foreign courts.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs.
Are you standing by this murderer?
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:05
We are not standing by this murder. But we will never let any Greek be trialed in foreign nations and courts.
Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Samtonia
19-09-2004, 03:08
Samtonia does challenge this leneint sentence for a man convicted of genocide.

Samtonia does hereby demand that this man be tried in International Court.

We demand this be considered by the International Court of Justice, as per the UN Convention on Genocide, Article 9, which reads:

Disputes between the Contracting Parties relating to the interpretation, application or fulfilment of the present Convention, including those relating to the responsibility of a State for genocide or any of the other acts enumerated in Article 3, shall be submitted to the International Court of Justice at the request of any of the parties to the dispute.

Failure to comply with either trial will be seen as violation of International Law and subject to the punishment thereof.

Samtonian Council of Thirteen

OOC-Links of Interest:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357514
To learn about the Convention's final document.
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:10
I concor with Samtonia. The greek commander attacked a fierign village, therefore must me charged in an international court.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:12
Samtonia does challenge this leneint sentence for a man convicted of genocide.

Samtonia does hereby demand that this man be tried in International Court.

We demand this be considered by the International Court of Justice, as per the UN Convention on Genocide, Article 9, which reads:



Failure to comply with either trial will be seen as violation of International Law and subject to the punishment thereof.

Samtonian Council of Thirteen

OOC-Links of Interest:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357514
To learn about the Convention's final document.
Sorry to say but we decline. He will not be trialed in foreign nations or courts. He wa sentenced 25 years in prison.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:13
I concor with Samtonia. The greek commander attacked a fierign village, therefore must me charged in an international court.
The village was not foreign. Albania is under the control of Greece.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:15
Albania is a conquered country, therefore foerign.
Samtonia
19-09-2004, 03:17
If you refuse to bring this before the International Community, you will be assumed to have committed conspiracy to commit genocide. Your country will be punisehed as such.

WE urge you to reconsider your stance. This is our last warning.

Samtonian Council Of Thirteen
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:18
Albania is a conquered country, therefore foerign.
But they have no government or army. We decide what happens to them.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:21
If you refuse to bring this before the International Community, you will be assumed to have committed conspiracy to commit genocide. Your country will be punisehed as such.

WE urge you to reconsider your stance. This is our last warning.

Samtonian Council Of Thirteen
What will you do? Will you commit genocide and kill thousands of Greeks to get to one person?
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Smaller Albania
19-09-2004, 03:21
In a written statement from the office of Dr Old Shoe, merciful leader of Smaller Albania:

"Whilst we dennounce all acts of random or unecessary violence the land currently occupied by Greece known by the name of Albania is not part of what we recognise as the historical region of Smaller Albania.

Were we but more capable our mighty sword of vengance would come crushing down on these oppressors, but for now we must bide our time. One day we hope to liberate this region and allow its people under our military protection to make their rightful choice to cede with Smaller Albania."
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:27
In a written statement from the office of Dr Old Shoe, merciful leader of Smaller Albania:

"Whilst we dennounce all acts of random or unecessary violence the land currently occupied by Greece known by the name of Albania is not part of what we recognise as the historical region of Smaller Albania.

Were we but more capable our mighty sword of vengance would come crushing down on these oppressors, but for now we must bide our time. One day we hope to liberate this region and allow its people under our military protection to make their rightful choice to cede with Smaller Albania."
OOC: I am talking about the actual Albania.

IC:
You will never liberate Albania because if you do we will crush you. I also doubt you will be able to enter the borders at all.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:32
Albania is Slavic, you are Hellistinic. One day it will be free. You just can't have things like that.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:34
OOC: Its Hellenistic not Hellistinic.

IC:

The ethnic groups in Albania has nothing to do with it. It will remain under Hellenic control.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Smaller Albania
19-09-2004, 03:46
We might well be having some teething troubles at the moment, http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358612 but with the help of our blue helmeted comrades we will prevail and come out and even stronger, mightier Smaller Albania. It may not come in my lifetime but one day the dreams and asperations of the Smaller Albanian people will be met and we will be united in one pan-Balkan Smaller Albania! Long live our dream.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:48
We might well be having some teething troubles at the moment, http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358612 but with the help of our blue helmeted comrades we will prevail and come out and even stronger, mightier Smaller Albania. It may not come in my lifetime but one day the dreams and asperations of the Smaller Albanian people will be met and we will be united in one pan-Balkan Smaller Albania! Long live our dream.
Thats great. Until then Albania will remain under Hellenic control and we will be much more stronger.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:49
Let's get back on track: Dealing with the Reckless Commander.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:51
Let's get back on track: Dealing with the Reckless Commander.
I think it is resolved. He will not go to international court.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Inkana
19-09-2004, 03:54
Then what will happen to him?
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 03:57
Then what will happen to him?
He is sentenced to 25 years of prison.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs

SI: Its really a lie to the media. He is now in FYROM doing different missions.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 14:27
"This is HENN. Today an Albanian suicide bomber was heading toward a busy bank but his plan on destroying the bank and killing the people inside was unsuccessful. Because a police man that was on guard duty noticed the bomb around his waist so he decided to open fire on him. Officials are investigating and the police man is getting an award tomorrow for saving the people in the bank.

On the other note there where many Albanian protestors in the main square of Athens protesting against the genocide that happened in Albania but soldiers putted the protest down and loaded the protestors in APCs. They transported them in a special area where they can protest but nobody will be able to see them. Some where carrying weapons and where threatening the soldiers some of them where arrested and some killed. The Emperor is keeping the number of deaths classified.

Now we go live to the Greek Assembly where the Emperor has something to say on the recent turn of events.”

The screen turns to inside of the Greek Assembly.

“I would like to remind everybody that the Greek Assembly or I had nothing to do with the genocide that happened. But from today’s recent events it looks like that the commander has given us another problem with the Albanians. They might try to rebel against us so that’s why I am putting the military on “Code Yellow.” I will just hope that FYROM does not take this opportunity and rebel too. I will be asking the Balkan Alliance if they will be able to send in peacekeeping forces. That is all for now. The assembly is dismissed.”
Inkana
19-09-2004, 15:13
Official Imperial Statement-
As we have nothing better to do, we shall send a peacekeeping force of 10,000 Mountain Soldiers, we hope that this helps in keeping the peace in our ally's lands.
Regards, Krehid-Ali I
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 15:18
We will not allow a foreign force of 10,000 to enter Greece our any of our territories. You will only be able to send 1,000 Peacekeepers and they will be under watch from our army incase you try to do anything stupid.
-Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Inkana
19-09-2004, 15:29
Agreed, 9,000 peacekeepers have returned.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 15:33
Any further genocides by the Greeks, intional or otherwise, will be met with the force they merit. Let us see how your people enjoy genocide against them, shall we?
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 15:40
Any further genocides by the Greeks, intional or otherwise, will be met with the force they merit. Let us see how your people enjoy genocide against them, shall we?
So you will commit genocide and kill thousands of innocent people because one person was foolish enough to do it on his own? You are pathetic.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 15:43
I will indeed. You Right Wingers all think that people will stand by and allow you to just do as you wish; you're wrong. One more genocide and the same number of Greeks will be eliminated in retaliation, if at all possible. I don't mess around with your kind.
Vestern States
19-09-2004, 16:08
"We are shocked about that this could happen again!, althoug we think it`s good that the commander is in jail. That brings us to the corequestion. can you promise thet he will not try to escape?"
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 17:04
"We are shocked about that this could happen again!, althoug we think it`s good that the commander is in jail. That brings us to the corequestion. can you promise thet he will not try to escape?"
What will he do if he escapes? Nothing.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Vestern States
19-09-2004, 17:14
Its a disturbing fact that you claim that you won`t do anything if he escapes.
We are most worried about having that kind of person on the loose
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 17:49
Its a disturbing fact that you claim that you won`t do anything if he escapes.
We are most worried about having that kind of person on the loose
1. Nobady was ever able to escape from our prisons.
2. He is no longer in the army.
3. If he decides to kill people again our police force will cacth him.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Euroslavia
19-09-2004, 18:29
Official Response from the Empress:

"25 years is hardly enough time to punish someone who has committed genocide. He deserves the most brutal death possible. Euroslavia reserves its right to take action if deemed necessary to stop these terrible actions from ever happening again. From past relations, we highly doubt that this is the end of it. Our relations have already been cut off, and trade has been eliminated, therefore, we will enact sanctions against Nikolaos the Great, our traitorous neighbor, until this man is handed over to an International Court."
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 20:50
Official Response from the Empress:

"25 years is hardly enough time to punish someone who has committed genocide. He deserves the most brutal death possible. Euroslavia reserves its right to take action if deemed necessary to stop these terrible actions from ever happening again. From past relations, we highly doubt that this is the end of it. Our relations have already been cut off, and trade has been eliminated, therefore, we will enact sanctions against Nikolaos the Great, our traitorous neighbor, until this man is handed over to an International Court."
We have never done anything to you. You where the one who declared war on us. So I suggest you lift those sanctions or things might not go to well.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Chellis
19-09-2004, 21:02
Chellis will protect Nikolas's National Sovereignty if a nation attacks him for not sending one of his citizens abroad. A nation is allowed to sentence its own citizens for gods sake! Hell, even if the nation had sanctioned the acts, the 'genocide' as it is being called, was in his own borders! Chellis will enact the horatio doctrine in case of Nikolas's sovereignty being violated. A world controlled by armchair politicians who don't understand the way the world actually works cannot dictate the policy of other nations.
Nikolaos The Great
19-09-2004, 21:06
Chellis will protect Nikolas's National Sovereignty if a nation attacks him for not sending one of his citizens abroad. A nation is allowed to sentence its own citizens for gods sake! Hell, even if the nation had sanctioned the acts, the 'genocide' as it is being called, was in his own borders! Chellis will enact the horatio doctrine in case of Nikolas's sovereignty being violated. A world controlled by armchair politicians who don't understand the way the world actually works cannot dictate the policy of other nations.
We thank you for your support. Your help will not be forgotten.
- Yeoryios Papandreou, Minister of Foreign Affairs
Samtonia
19-09-2004, 21:34
Chellis will protect Nikolas's National Sovereignty if a nation attacks him for not sending one of his citizens abroad. A nation is allowed to sentence its own citizens for gods sake! Hell, even if the nation had sanctioned the acts, the 'genocide' as it is being called, was in his own borders! Chellis will enact the horatio doctrine in case of Nikolas's sovereignty being violated. A world controlled by armchair politicians who don't understand the way the world actually works cannot dictate the policy of other nations.

Samtonia wouldl ike to respectfully disagree with Chellis. The UN Council on Genocide made it all too clear, well back in 1946, that genocide will not be tolerated no matter what.

As per this trreaty, brought into effect by the UN over thw entire world, nations feeling justice is not served may request a trial before an International Criminal Court to determine whether or not a nation has punished those responsible for genocide effectively.

Samtonia has requested this trial. The request was ignored.

As per the Second UN Council on Human Rights, Samtonia and any other countries are fully enabled to do whatever they wish to stop further genocdies from happening and punish those involoved in the first.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357514 leads you to the complete text of the document.

If you have any caring at all for the human race anmd humanity, you will see that these despicable acts must be punished by an International group, not the very officers nad leaders who may have ordered this genocide carried out!

By the authorization of the UN and the agreement of the Samtonian Coincil of Thirteen, Samtonia hereaby abolishes all trade with the nation of Nikolaos The Great. We urge all other nations to do the same, in the efoort to show all that genocide is never an option.

We pray that we do not need to increase our response further.

Samtonian Council of Thirteen
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 21:36
Pathetic. Chellis clearly has no more conception of the wrongness of exterminating an entire race, even in small numbers, than Adolf Hitler.
Decisive Action
19-09-2004, 21:38
"We fully affirm that the Albanians are parasitical swine and as such they are not deserving as being treated as humans when they are clearly sub-human vermin that need to be exterminated on sight."

Joseph Mladic
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 21:42
You're very wise to ignore me, laddie, because if you hadn't, I'd have blown your pathetic latrine of a nation to very small pieces, then saturated it with enough biological agents to wipe out all life on this worthless planet many, many times over, and damn the results. Oddly enough, I feel like doing that to Nikolaos right now, but I won't.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 21:47
"Fuck the UN. When we cried to them for help in '54 when our korean masters oppresed us, they refused to help. We had to wait fifty years for our self-gained independance from north-korea. Now that we are the strongest nation in the world, we should listen to the UN? Refer to the beginning of my statement."

Chellian Foreign Minister.

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"You spend your life crusading for some sort of purpose, so at the end of the day you can feel like you made a difference. Good for you. Knowing that nobody will interfere with what you are doing, you don't have to live in fear of making your own desicions. You mindlessly threaten everybody. I am ashamed that NATO has to deal with you, constantly throwing us into conflicts which dont concern us."

Chellian Foreign Minister, toward DPUO.

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"Nikolaos the Great has the right to do whatever he wants in his lands. You disagree, thats ok. However, this attack on a city wasn't sanctioned by the government! The man responsible for it is in jail! My god, even when you get your way you complain. You are the people who will die, go to heaven, and complain that your brand of soda isn't served there. Never happy."

Chellian Foreign Minister.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 21:52
Curious; I'm ashamed to be in any kind of dealing with someone who clearly is happy to use the utterly pathetic argument that people must be free to act as they like in order to avoid having to get in the way of mass slaughter of human beings for no reason apart from skin colour or racial group. Disgusting. Then again, what else can be expected? Your kind are all the same. You sit there and say that nations must be allowed to murder their own people, not realising or perhaps not caring that they will eventually, when you're finished licking their boots, kick you in the face with them. You're the same breed that would gladly have let Milosevic go, that would just sit and twiddle their thumbs as Pinochet set about his work, and who would happily watch as Pol Pot cheerfully butchered the Vietnamese. Well I hope you like having blood of the innocent on your hands, mate, I really do.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:00
Curious; I'm ashamed to be in any kind of dealing with someone who clearly is happy to use the utterly pathetic argument that people must be free to act as they like in order to avoid having to get in the way of mass slaughter of human beings for no reason apart from skin colour or racial group. Disgusting. Then again, what else can be expected? Your kind are all the same. You sit there and say that nations must be allowed to murder their own people, not realising or perhaps not caring that they will eventually, when you're finished licking their boots, kick you in the face with them. You're the same breed that would gladly have let Milosevic go, that would just sit and twiddle their thumbs as Pinochet set about his work, and who would happily watch as Pol Pot cheerfully butchered the Vietnamese. Well I hope you like having blood of the innocent on your hands, mate, I really do.


So you act out of paranoia? You are so afraid someone is going to hurt you, that you campaign for human rights? Living in a world of fear should not create your international policies, but it seems they do. A nation has the right to do what they want within their own borders. There are lines to be crossed, such as acting outside of borders. A nation shouldnt have to create its internal policy to conform with external beliefs. Its called an INTERNAL policy for a reason!
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 22:03
THIS WAS AN INTERNAL POLICY TOO, MATE. (http://vigrid.clarence.com/archive/images/Corpi%20Ammassati%20Auschwitz.JPG) Short memory, haven't we?
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:23
THIS WAS AN INTERNAL POLICY TOO, MATE. (http://vigrid.clarence.com/archive/images/Corpi%20Ammassati%20Auschwitz.JPG) Short memory, haven't we?

No, it wasn't. Nazi germany invaded France, Scandinavia, Russia, many eastern european nations, and many other nations. That was the line it crossed from internal to external. The nations of the world in the 1930's did not act against the anti-jewish laws of germany, they realized that a nation has the right to do things in its own nation! Nations went to war with germany because it attacked them, and declared war on them!

There is a difference between not appeasing, and attacking pre-emptivly.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 22:26
Yes, and IF they had had the courage to nail the Germans prior to their Polish adventure, there might not have been sixty million dead at the end of a 5-year war, mightn't there? Did that occur to you? It didn't occur to them. It didn't occur to Neville bloody Chamberlain, the most disgusting coward these isles have ever bred, to stop Germany back in 1935, and thus ten years later we had 60 million fewer humans and a ruined Europe. But then, you all did nicely out pof that war, emerging as a superpower and all, so perhaps I ought not to be surprised.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:29
Yes, and IF they had had the courage to nail the Germans prior to their Polish adventure, there might not have been sixty million dead at the end of a 5-year war, mightn't there? Did that occur to you? It didn't occur to them. It didn't occur to Neville bloody Chamberlain, the most disgusting coward these isles have ever bred, to stop Germany back in 1935, and thus ten years later we had 60 million fewer humans and a ruined Europe. But then, you all did nicely out pof that war, emerging as a superpower and all, so perhaps I ought not to be surprised.

The difference is, war wasnt declared upon germany for its genocidal policies. War was declared because germany attacked nations, poland especially. If Nikolaos was attacking other nations, then action would be justified.
Decisive Action
19-09-2004, 22:31
No, it wasn't. Nazi germany invaded France, Scandinavia, Russia, many eastern european nations, and many other nations. That was the line it crossed from internal to external. The nations of the world in the 1930's did not act against the anti-jewish laws of germany, they realized that a nation has the right to do things in its own nation! Nations went to war with germany because it attacked them, and declared war on them!

There is a difference between not appeasing, and attacking pre-emptivly.

We must remember that Germany was essentially forced into the war by international jewish finance. Germany wanted no war, but it was forced upon them.





Germany would not resign himself to mediocrity under the shackles of Versailles, and so he rose up against those who seek to oppress him.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 22:34
Again with the complacency. "Oh it's genocide in HIS nation, so it's alright." Bloody hellfire, I just hope you never get to a position of power, lest a Nazi come to power here and I be carted off for reading the wrong books, or speaking the wrong language, or being the wrong colour, or ethnic origin. And for your sake, I hope that nobody like that ever comes to power in your country, because if they do we're all screwed; the irony would be if you were victim of it too.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:34
We must remember that Germany was essentially forced into the war by international jewish finance. Germany wanted no war, but it was forced upon them.





Germany would not resign himself to mediocrity under the shackles of Versailles, and so he rose up against those who seek to oppress him.


Can you not include these idiotic statements with mine? It might make people think I believed in that sort of lunacy.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:36
Again with the complacency. "Oh it's genocide in HIS nation, so it's alright." Bloody hellfire, I just hope you never get to a position of power, lest a Nazi come to power here and I be carted off for reading the wrong books, or speaking the wrong language, or being the wrong colour, or ethnic origin. And for your sake, I hope that nobody like that ever comes to power in your country, because if they do we're all screwed; the irony would be if you were victim of it too.

OOC:Not very likely. Im part of a majority in my nation, and even then, I support dictatorship, which is when such a thing would happen. Lets keep this IC, though.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 22:38
We must remember that Germany was essentially forced into the war by international jewish finance. Germany wanted no war, but it was forced upon them.





Germany would not resign himself to mediocrity under the shackles of Versailles, and so he rose up against those who seek to oppress him.

Well perhaps if Germany hadn't invaded Belgium, he wouldn't have had Versailles imposed on him. What are you going to argue next, Adolf? That the Jews somehow forced the Schlieffen plan into action? That Moltke (as I recall) was forced by Jewish conspiracy to cross the border? In fact, why not go further?

As you're all aware, Jews are evil incarnate. They were responsible for:

*The death of Mother Teresa
*The death of Florence Nightingale
*All the wars ever fought by anyone
*All the crimes ever committed by anyone
*In fact pretty much everything.

Remember, the Jews are all out to get you, and will in fact burst out through your TV screen in about 25 seconds' time.



This person, Chellis, is why Nazism must be destroyed wheresoever it is found, with all means to hand, as rapidly as possible.
Samtonia
19-09-2004, 22:38
OOC-DA, WHAAT?!?

I'm soory, I know that you're all for that ra-ra white-power crap, but really. I think that's just crossing the line.

WW2 was caused by a megalomaniacal dictator with an irrational hatred of Jews, gypsies, and anyone else who din't fit into his sick idea of "the master race" who decided his nation should pay back the allies for beating them and imposing a harsh peace.

This was brought about by ignoring the Versailles treaty and International Courts, the invasion of other countries, and the systematic oppression and murder of 12 million persons. Six million who I'd like to remind you were not Jewish in any way, shape, or form.

Look at any history book, account, psychological report, or even personal records of the time. That is, any of the above that are actual sources, not insanely delusional ramblings of racists and other such scum.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:46
Well perhaps if Germany hadn't invaded Belgium, he wouldn't have had Versailles imposed on him. What are you going to argue next, Adolf? That the Jews somehow forced the Schlieffen plan into action? That Moltke (as I recall) was forced by Jewish conspiracy to cross the border? In fact, why not go further?

As you're all aware, Jews are evil incarnate. They were responsible for:

*The death of Mother Teresa
*The death of Florence Nightingale
*All the wars ever fought by anyone
*All the crimes ever committed by anyone
*In fact pretty much everything.

Remember, the Jews are all out to get you, and will in fact burst out through your TV screen in about 25 seconds' time.



This person, Chellis, is why Nazism must be destroyed wheresoever it is found, with all means to hand, as rapidly as possible.

Na·zism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (nätszm, nt-) also Na·zi·ism (-s-zm)
n.

The ideology and practice of the Nazis, especially the policy of racist nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy.

I do disagree with nationalism, national expansion, and state control of the economy. If you want to destroy those, I support you.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 22:49
State control of the economy I am for, to an extent. National expansion I am against, but it varies; if the conquered benefit by it, I see no reason why it is wrong. And racist nationalism I despise, as you have gathered. Now this guy fulfils two of the categories you mention, which, if it doesn't make him a Nazi, makes him a racist imperialistic nationalist.
Decisive Action
19-09-2004, 22:53
Main Entry:fascism
Pronunciation:*fa-*shi-z*m also *fa-*si-
Function:noun
Etymology:Italian fascismo, from fascio bundle, fasces, group, from Latin fascis bundle & fasces fasces
Date:1921

1 often capitalized : a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
2 : a tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dictatorial control *early instances of army fascism and brutality — J. W. Aldridge*
–fascist \-shist also -sist\ noun or adjective , often capitalized
–fascistic \fa-*shis-tik also -*sis-\ adjective , often capitalized
–fascistically \-ti-k(*-)l*\ adverb , often capitalized




I believe in a one-party state, a state directed economy, with government ownership of all major industries, so they can be subordinated into the service of the state, the leader is the personification of the state and the people must submit to his will. Society must become a reflection of the leader's will. As for expansionism, I guess it depends on the situations outside the state, and if the state is genuinely overcrowded or is taking back its actual rightful lands. Also the government should make it a point to carry-out the ideals of Eugenics and selective breeding. Social Darwinism can also factor into this.
Chellis
19-09-2004, 22:58
State control of the economy I am for, to an extent. National expansion I am against, but it varies; if the conquered benefit by it, I see no reason why it is wrong. And racist nationalism I despise, as you have gathered. Now this guy fulfils two of the categories you mention, which, if it doesn't make him a Nazi, makes him a racist imperialistic nationalist.

He, on the contrary, has filled none. One of his generals commited the acts, not his government. This disqualifies the first part. He hasn't shown any signs, to chellis at least, of national expansion. He seems to have gained Albania long ago. The third one, Im not that much against, but its not a chellian policy for the most part.

Racist nationalism isnt just genocide in your nation, either.
DontPissUsOff
19-09-2004, 23:01
*Sigh* I give up, OK? Congratulations, Neville. Just hope you don't have to look hard for anothewr Winston.
Decisive Action
19-09-2004, 23:13
Is it really worth risking a war with Nikolas just because of his policies in his own lands?

I've always believed that there are certain peacemakers in the world, great men, such as Neville Chamberlain (he was a genuine peaceful man), and Abe Lincoln (He wanted to go soft of the South)

Those sort of men are the reason peace endures.
Nikolaos The Great
20-09-2004, 02:00
OOC: I am not a Nazi in RL or on NS. I dont believe in genocide and I think its wrong. This is just IC stuff. Also the government or the emperor did not support the genocide.