NationStates Jolt Archive

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.

I've got nukes. Wanna mess? Don't go telling nations to give up thier nukes or face war. Especially ones many times your size. Make some sort of effort not to get yourself killed...
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

I destroyed my nukes along time ago...no point in using a weapon that will kill yourself too.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.
No. Our nuclear arsenal is neccessary for national self defense.
Rather than surrender our nukes, we are putting them on Defcon 2, in response to your threats.
Further all reservists are being called up. We call on Whittier to withdraw their threat or face the consequences.
The South Pacific navy is being deployed to WHittier waters.
The air force has been ordered to prepare bombing missions.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.

Who excatly do you think you are, dictating WMD policy to the rest of the world, just try and make me give up my nukes.

Im not going to give up my nuclear weapons for no one.

We have classified amount of DoomHammer nuclear and biological missiles purely for defensive purposes. We are a peacefull nation with no intention of attacking anyone.

i will never give up my nuclear weapons. Your threats are bullplop to me.

No. Our nuclear arsenal is neccessary for national self defense.
Rather than surrender our nukes, we are putting them on Defcon 2, in response to your threats.
Further all reservists are being called up. We call on Whittier to withdraw their threat or face the consequences.
The South Pacific navy is being deployed to WHittier waters.
The air force has been ordered to prepare bombing missions.
You attack Whittier, you attack Shangia.

(will be using this one for the remainder of the rp)

The Federated Union of Democratic Colonies will not have its policies dictated to it by anyone. No nation, no alliance, not even God himself has the authority to openly threaten and order the Democratic Colonies in the manner you have. You will withdraw your ultimatum, or you will recieve the Colonial nuclear arsenal - via mach 6 express sub-orbital delivery.

- "Tigress", Command AI of the Colonial Department of Foriegn Affairs

I say that we all allie together and force Whittier- to hand over their nuclear and other WMD.

I've got nukes. Wanna mess? Don't go telling nations to give up thier nukes or face war. Especially ones many times your size. Make some sort of effort not to get yourself killed...
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
You have to be a month old to have nukes. Your too young
-cardinal DeVito
I dont have nukes

And tell me please, just how do you propose to force me to disarm? And may I point out that if you are attacking someone to destroy their nukes why are they not going to just nuke you?

You have to be a month old to have nukes. Your too young
-cardinal DeVito
I dont have nukes

Actualy, he's older then you.

And for trying to seize our nuclear arsenal, bite me.

Tahar Joblis has refused to respond directly to -Whittier's demands, stating that -Whittier is not a nation responsible enough to possess nuclear weapons and demanding that -Whittier provide evidence that -Whittier has disarmed its entire nuclear program.

Many of our Anti-Capitol Ship fighters use Fissure Missiles, which are Thermonuclear based, but we see no reason to give them up because you "say so or else".

Official Land of Mordor Pact Announcement

We can all dream buddy.

Vice-Premiere Duck Tzu
Chairman of LMP

Any attack on TSP will be regarded as an attack on the free nations of the world. Arribastan will respond accordingly.
All naval and air forces have been mobilized and readied for defense. Ground forces have been put on high alert.
Don't make me nervous. That's the last thing you want to do, Whittier-
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

The United Socialist States of Neo-Soviet Russia, like other nations, will not head this calling. As other nations have stated and as we shall once more state, Whittier- has not the authority, nor the right, to command the rest of the world, to command soveriegn nations, to give up weapons, be it simple assault rifles, aircraft, or in this case weapons of mass destruction.

If Whittier- wishes to be a nation free of nuclear weaponry so be it. If Whittier- wishes to attempt to push itself and its beliefs on other nations though we then wish it fail miserably in this task as well as a nation as a whole.

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

That man obviously stole my stash.
-Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rosta Einvach

We, The Triad of Procco respectfully declines. We would like more information on what you are going to do with these nukes. It would be very easy to wipe out entire continents.

The United Socialist States of Ishraelma has presented this announcement...

"Give up our nukes? Gladly. That is, after we have launched them into an intercontinental path right towards you. The USSI is not afraid to do so. Do not underestimate the size of our arsenal. It would be wise to take back your threat."

In response to Whittiers rediculous demands Harmonia Mortus has schedualed three new Thaum Bomb tests (magical equivalent of Atomic Bombs, search my name for the topic and development notes).
The Keeper of the United Kingdoms of Harmonia Mortus, Lord Charnel, has also sent Whittier three dollars for the excellent entertainment.

We, The Triad of Procco, respectfully decline. We await a statement from Whittier on what he will do with these nuclear weapons.

(oh yeah, the roman republic has a good idea)

So I'm am a dictator, I don't want to give up my nukes. I got an Idea for all the nations. I am not saying we give up our nukes, we should put them away, we don't touch it. We can have Nuke Unit to inspect that we have not used nuclear weapons or touched them. We can have world peace and have nukes. How does that sound? let me hear your ideas.

I support Whittier whole heartedly in this venture. Nukes are only used by nOOb's who can not RP at all.

i think your mad same with whitter for a simple reason you force one person to not use nuclear weapons whats stoping someone takeing advantage.

Folks...

Whittier- & The South Pacific (The nation I mean...) == Same player. No need to get worked up over it, he just likes playing with himself...

To boost his ego or something.

Now, personally, yes, I would say that it is a criminal waste of bandwidth, alas... I can't do anything against it, nonetheless...

It isn't really necessary to reply to Whittier-'s I contemplated using a more insulting term, but decided that 'whittier-' alone is more than sufficient ego- games... Just watch & laugh.

So I'm am a dictator, I don't want to give up my nukes. I got an Idea for all the nations. I am not saying we give up our nukes, we should put them away, we don't touch it. We can have Nuke Unit to inspect that we have not used nuclear weapons or touched them. We can have world peace and have nukes. How does that sound? let me hear your ideas.
Arribastan respectfully declines your offer. Our nukes are useful as leveraging tools.

Folks...

Whittier- & The South Pacific (The nation I mean...) == Same player. No need to get worked up over it, he just likes playing with himself...

To boost his ego or something.

Now, personally, yes, I would say that it is a criminal waste of bandwidth, alas... I can't do anything against it, nonetheless...

It isn't really necessary to reply to Whittier-'s I contemplated using a more insulting term, but decided that 'whittier-' alone is more than sufficient ego- games... Just watch & laugh.OOC:Really? Interesting. I'm gonna treat is as I would if they were different players, though.

Official Statement, Imperial Government

The Imperial Government of the Democratic Imperium of Praetonia does not recognise the right of the nations 'Whittier-' or 'Shangia' to dictate internal defence policy to us or any other nation. Praetonia refuses to stand down any strategic weaponary and any action taken on your part to force or coerce us into doing so will be viewed as an act of agression against the Democratic Imperium, the New Alliance Treaty Organisation, the Organisation of Maritime Powers, the Victoria Alliance and all members thereof. We hope that we will be troubled no further on this issue.

*buys more nukes and intends to wipe out smaller countries with them*

The Democratic Republic of Salmon Island condemns any imposition of a nation's philosophy through (threat of) military intervention. However, in the interests of peace and humanity and health, we urge all nations to think about the deployment of nuclear arsenal.

West Scotland's nuclear supply has been severely cut back since Lord Eldric's ascension, but nevertheless the nuclear force is powerful, potent, technologically advanced, and deadly. With less strain on the defense budget, we now have available funds for other tasks in the army and administration of the government, but see no needs to eliminate nuclear weapons fully.

We'll decide our own policies, but thanks anyways.

--Foreign Ministry

Ludo Hienkel, Chief Officer of Defence, speaking from the Feminany "Friendship" Conference:

You got to be kidding me!!! Give up our nuclear weapons while other hostile nations still have them!!! Are you insane?

but i just used a nuke on hatoria... and now the worlds a better place... oh well not gonna give em up... sorry

Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Response to Whittier's demand for the world to destroy all nuclear weaponry:

*Laughs*

No.

Try it on with me and your population will become twitching corpses infected with so many diseases you won't know what's killing them.

The Constitutional Republic of Tekania does not recognize the authority of the NationState of Whittier. The Republic will maintain her arsenal.

Due to international uproar caused by our proposal, we are withdrawing our ultimatum and seek other means to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
However, all WHittier nuclear forces are on Defcon 3, until the south Pacific stands down its forces.

Due to international uproar caused by our proposal, we are withdrawing our ultimatum and seek other means to rid the world of nuclear weapons.
However, all WHittier nuclear forces are on Defcon 3, until the south Pacific stands down its forces.
That's rather hypocritical don't you think? Telling the world to get rid of our nukes (suicide at least), while you still have them and are ready to use them.
That's pretty low.

That's rather hypocritical don't you think? Telling the world to get rid of our nukes (suicide at least), while you still have them and are ready to use them.
That's pretty low.
We would have dismantled them once everyone else dismantled theirs. But now we might have to use them, unless TSP takes his off Defcon 2.

We would have dismantled them once everyone else dismantled theirs. But now we might have to use them, unless TSP takes his off Defcon 2.
Meh, I suppose. BTW, you didn't really think the Whittier Pact would hold up against the insane nuke-toting nations of the world if it turned ugly did you?

The Empie of Hataria Will NEVER Give up it's Nukes or WMD's, and on a Small Note, Nathan F is a GODMODER!

Official statement by the PR office (hardheads is run by the corporations so it has some strange names for some things)
No. Nukes are bad for buisness and giving them to others is even worse.

The republic of Transpontia admires and wholly supports Whittier's intention to rid the world of nuclear weapons.

--- President Yolanda Maximme.

all ICBM's are being Pointed at Whittier, If Whittier wants the Nukes he has to try and Take them from ALL of us.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.
Your threats do not threaten us or anybody else. We will not give up our nuclear weapons. And I encourage the rest not to give them up.
-Nikolaos the Great, Emperor of Greece

Meh, I suppose. BTW, you didn't really think the Whittier Pact would hold up against the insane nuke-toting nations of the world if it turned ugly did you?
The government of Whittier has no comment on this particular question.

Your threats do not threaten us or anybody else. We will not give up our nuclear weapons. And I encourage the rest not to give them up.
-Nikolaos the Great, Emperor of Greece
The Ultimatum has been rescinded. See earlier thread.

We order Whittier to Stop trying to force everyone to give up their WMD's in 24 Hours or Face The Might of Hataria, and If Whittier attack TSP, we WILL attack his nation.

Look, you guys have got to remember, this is just a game. You're not really going to blow the crapola out of each other with nukes, OK? So just drop the charade, and get on with running your country.

Crimmond will not be downsizing it's nuclear arsenal, for a very simple reason.

The only remaining nuclear device is a 1950's era H-Bomb in a museum...

If you want to start something over a device that probably doesn't even work anymore, please... let us recover from the fits of laughter first.

Crimmond will not be downsizing it's nuclear arsenal, for a very simple reason.

The only remaining nuclear device is a 1950's era H-Bomb in a museum...

If you want to start something over a device that probably doesn't even work anymore, please... let us recover from the fits of laughter first.
You sure its not working? We dont want some people runnng around with a stolen 1950 era H-Bomb lol.

We do not know for sure, but we do know that no one has tried to steal it. Something about the way the case is kind rusty...

On a side note: We still do have ICBMs. Just the we have replaced the nuiclear ordinence with propganda warheads which seperate from the missile priro to it's self destruction. It rains down thousands of pictures of mushroom clouds with the word 'PWND' on the back.

Very effective.

The South Pacific will not stand down in the face of this aggression.
All South Pacific nuclear forces are now on DEFCON 3 to match Whittier's stance.

We order Whittier to Stop trying to force everyone to give up their WMD's in 24 Hours or Face The Might of Hataria, and If Whittier attack TSP, we WILL attack his nation.
We appreciate your support.

We appreciate your support.
Hataria is being ignored by everybody.

We condemn the blind aggression of this state upon another in the name of nuclear disarmament. While we will not forge an alliance, we may send materials of war, as necessary if the South Pacific telegrams us saying that it needs them.

Oh, great another Hatarian War...he's just like Napoleon and Hitler combined....without the intellegince.

The South Pacific will not stand down in the face of this aggression.
All South Pacific nuclear forces are now on DEFCON 3 to match Whittier's stance.
In this case, Whittier has no choice but to go to DEFCON 4 and position Pandora's Box directly over the South Pacific with PB's 300 thermonuclear weapons pointed at targets in the South Pacific.
Two Galaxy class nuclear powered stealth subs are being deployed to the South Pacific waters to monitor TSP activities.

Nukes to get rid of nukes, that sends a friendly message, dosen't it?

That's funny, I thought you were urging everyone to disarm. Now you have a stockpile?

I am preparing humanitarian relief, specifically, III and IV divisons of the Aztec Lands National Militia, in case war does break out.

In this case, Whittier has no choice but to go to DEFCON 4 and position Pandora's Box directly over the South Pacific with PB's 300 thermonuclear weapons pointed at targets in the South Pacific.
Two Galaxy class nuclear powered stealth subs are being deployed to the South Pacific waters to monitor TSP activities.
The South Pacific has no choice but to go to DEFCON 4 and deploy the Eagle of Freedom war sattallites directly over the nation of Whittier. All nuclear weapons on the Eagle of Freedom have been armed and can launched at moment's notice.

Any foriegn subs that enter South Pacific waters will be considered hostile and fired upon.
Further, we are sending 1 Los Angeles class attack submarine to 21 miles off the Whittier coast (just one mile out of his territorial waters) to monitor his naval movements.
It is Whittier that must back down.


OOC: Aztec League has a telegram.

OOC:

Aztec Lands: Empire
Aztec League: Communist

Sure you sent it to the right one?

The South Pacific has no choice but to go to DEFCON 4 and deploy the Eagle of Freedom war sattallites directly over the nation of Whittier. All nuclear weapons on the Eagle of Freedom have been armed and can launched at moment's notice.

Any foriegn subs that enter South Pacific waters will be considered hostile and fired upon.
Further, we are sending 1 Los Angeles class attack submarine to 21 miles off the Whittier coast (just one mile out of his territorial waters) to monitor his naval movements.
It is Whittier that must back down.


OOC: Aztec League has a telegram.
This is madness. But we cannot back down until The South Pacific does so first.
We have found them to be untrustworthy in times past.
An attack on our subs will be taken as a deliberate act of war.
All trade with the South Pacific is hereby halted and all free trade agreements are considered null and void.

This is madness. But we cannot back down until The South Pacific does so first.
We have found them to be untrustworthy in times past.
An attack on our subs will be taken as a deliberate act of war.
All trade with the South Pacific is hereby halted and all free trade agreements are considered null and void.
Yes it is madness but you are the one who must back down first.
Any subs entering our waters will be taken as hostile acts of war.
President Jackson is sitting in his office with his hand next to the red button as he consults his national security team.

We, the third parties in this conflict, urge Whittier to stand down. TSP is purely taking defensive actions.

But before we work out the details, let us begin:

1. MAD is undesirable. (MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction).

2. Please withdraw your subs from each other's countries. When both parties agree, do it.

Hataria is Mobilzeing it's army for action against Whitter in case War starts. All People from Whittier are to Leave Hataria and it's Territories at once.

Who excatly do you think you are, dictating WMD policy to the rest of the world, just try and make me give up my nukes.
im with this guy. the only way my nukes are be drstroyed is when i use them on someone.

I just had a look at Whittier-'s stats and he only has 290mill people, as if someone so small can tell me what i can and cant have.

im with this guy. the only way my nukes are be drstroyed is when i use them on someone.

I just had a look at Whittier-'s stats and he only has 290mill people, as if someone so small can tell me what i can and cant have.

Thank you from that Info, Now Whittier is doomed in a war against Me and TSP, and anyone who like to join if War starts.

We, the third parties in this conflict, urge Whittier to stand down. TSP is purely taking defensive actions.

But before we work out the details, let us begin:

1. MAD is undesirable. (MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction).

2. Please withdraw your subs from each other's countries. When both parties agree, do it.
Whittier's subs will not be entering South Pacific's waters but will stop right at the boundary.

We agree in principal to your first proposal. TSP has acted aggressively, we have only countered his moves.

Hataria is Mobilzeing it's army for action against Whitter in case War starts. All People from Whittier are to Leave Hataria and it's Territories at once.
Whittier is responding by evicting all Hatarians and South Pacificans from all Whittier lands.

im with this guy. the only way my nukes are be drstroyed is when i use them on someone.

I just had a look at Whittier-'s stats and he only has 290mill people, as if someone so small can tell me what i can and cant have.
I use the stats from my old nation. Everyone knows that.
Then again, I've never seen you before.
:rolleyes:

Thank you from that Info, Now Whittier is doomed in a war against Me and TSP, and anyone who like to join if War starts.
A war would be most unfortunate in its consequences, particularly since most people tend to ignore anything you do.

At Kolgujev AFB, a lone SB-71C stealth bomber armed with 4000lbs of bombs sits on the runway, being inspected by the flight crew to insure that it is in working order. At 2245 local, it takes off, headed for the Whittier capital city.
After several hours, it is just outside of Whittier airspace, the ground radar controllers oblivious to it's presence. At 0817 Kolgujev time, it is at the refuel point. This is 100 miles outside of Whittier airspace. It then procedes to orbit within 15miles of Whittier airspace at the failsafe point.
As this is happening, all DDOO ABM systems are going to THREATCON C. Gen. Steven Strawder is taken to his personal jet, an E-7E7 specifically designed as a command jet for him. The entire DDOO government goes into hyperdrive, expecting retaliatory strikes at any moment.

OOC:

Aztec Lands: Empire
Aztec League: Communist

Sure you sent it to the right one?
I meant Aztec lands. Sorry.

This is madness. But we cannot back down until The South Pacific does so first.
We have found them to be untrustworthy in times past.
An attack on our subs will be taken as a deliberate act of war.
All trade with the South Pacific is hereby halted and all free trade agreements are considered null and void.
All trade with Whittier and all Whittier allies are canceled. We are hereby withdrawing our ambassador from Whittier and the Whittier ambassador to the South Pacific has been given 48 hours to leave the capital.
Further, our forces in Afghanistan are prepping to attack Whittier forces in Afghanistan. The wall of Kabul will come down and Afghanistan will be reunited under democracy.

To Whittier

Half The World is against you now, The South Pacific is about to go to war against you, My ICBM's are pointed at you, and your 'Friends' are nowhere to be seen. Face it, you are doomed. The Whittier Pact is Dieing. Besides, I need Workers for The Sugar Fields in Hatarian Cuba, and your Civilians are good for the Job.

We, the third parties in this conflict, urge Whittier to stand down. TSP is purely taking defensive actions.

But before we work out the details, let us begin:

1. MAD is undesirable. (MAD: Mutually Assured Destruction).

2. Please withdraw your subs from each other's countries. When both parties agree, do it.
It is agreed to on point one.

2. Our sub will not enter Whittier's waters. But I am sending the 1st fleet to protect it.

I use the stats from my old nation. Everyone knows that.


ooc: And that's why most of the serious NS'ers ignore you.

At Kolgujev AFB, a lone SB-71C stealth bomber armed with 4000lbs of bombs sits on the runway, being inspected by the flight crew to insure that it is in working order. At 2245 local, it takes off, headed for the Whittier capital city.
After several hours, it is in Whittier airspace, the ground radar controllers oblivious to it's presence. At 0817 Kolgujev time, it is over the capital city...
As this is happening, all DDOO ABM systems are going to THREATCON C. Gen. Steven Strawder is taken to his personal jet, an E-7E7 specifically designed as a command jet for him. The entire DDOO government goes into hyperdrive, expecting retaliatory strikes at any moment.
OOC: I would support Whittier if he wants to ignore this.

tag

I didn't say that you didn't have fighters up and about, that's average stealth performance though. If you want to have fighters try and shoot it down, that's fine by me.
Nay, I have better idea. I won't ignore it if he changes it to his plane flying outside Whittier airspace, given that there is no way he could enter it without his plane being shot down.
He can have a carrier or other refueling ship in international waters just outside Whittier waters.
Oologah, can you tweak your post a bit?

Peace principles:

1. Remove all missile-capable subs from all waters, period. Upon both parties agreeing, they will be withdrawn.

Peace principles:

1. Remove all missile-capable subs from all waters, period. Upon both parties agreeing, they will be withdrawn.
I have no missile capable subs in or near his waters. Whittier proposes a direct summit with the South Pacific with Aztec Lands continuing to act as mediator.

Your waters, as well. Nothing that can launch a nuke from the sea is to be in the sea.

Your waters, as well. Nothing that can launch a nuke from the sea is to be in the sea.
I can't do that. That would violate my soveringty and my national right to self defense.

Nay, I have better idea. I won't ignore it if he changes it to his plane flying outside Whittier airspace, given that there is no way he could enter it without his plane being shot down.
He can have a carrier or other refueling ship in international waters just outside Whittier waters.
Oologah, can you tweak your post a bit?
OOC: done

Terminalia gave up its nukes in the late fifties, for a cheaper and enviromentally safer alternative.
We now use our natural resource, and symbol of our country to bomb our enemies with, the fifty thousand tonne Termy bird, we have millions of them, and after a night of bread and treacle they have plenty of ammo.

DEFENSIVE submarines (anti-sub subs) are fine. No nuclear missile subs.

After considering the Aztec Lands proposal, the South Pacific states that we do not have any missile subs in or near Whittier waters.
Nor will we give up our ballistic missile submarines as we very much need for national self defense.

If you make everyone give up nukes, our Uranium Mining industries will die. :( That's not cool for us, considering it's one of our chief sources of income. We don't support any agreements to get rid of nuclear weapons or power.

The South Pacific may have to purchase yet more nuclear weapons.

We agree to the summit.

*White flag don't shoot*

Sighard sends an ambassador in to negotiate peace. If there is to be no peace (which I assume will happen) I shall work my way to making it so maybe all you countrys may fight him without using nuclear arms. I like many of you have nuclear weapons but choose not to use them only on occasions where it is needed. Who else sends a person to negotiate with me?

*white flag don't shoot*

Support uranium based economies! Support the UN proposal to aprove atmospheric testing!

At Kolgujev AFB, a lone SB-71C stealth bomber armed with 4000lbs of bombs sits on the runway, being inspected by the flight crew to insure that it is in working order. At 2245 local, it takes off, headed for the Whittier capital city.
After several hours, it is just outside of Whittier airspace, the ground radar controllers oblivious to it's presence. At 0817 Kolgujev time, it is at the refuel point. This is 100 miles outside of Whittier airspace. It then procedes to orbit within 15miles of Whittier airspace at the failsafe point.
As this is happening, all DDOO ABM systems are going to THREATCON C. Gen. Steven Strawder is taken to his personal jet, an E-7E7 specifically designed as a command jet for him. The entire DDOO government goes into hyperdrive, expecting retaliatory strikes at any moment.
Whittier air defenses spot an identified craft circling outside
Whittier air space. The nation being on DEFCON 4, there thousands of aircraft in the air, including stealth fighters.
However, 2 F16's were chosen to go id the craft and determine if it hostile or neutral.

OOC: My nation being on DEFCON 4 would see anything you put in the area.

Support uranium based economies! Support the UN proposal to aprove atmospheric testing!
I may have to restart atmospheric testing and buy new nukes if these talks break down.
An attack on my forces in Afghanistan will result in thermonuclear first strike.

ALN NEWS

NEWS ALERT

Thermonuclear war imminent!

Aztec Lands embassies in both Whittier and The South Pacific have been evacuated, along with the entirety of all foriegn government staff as Whittier and The South Pacific are on the eve of doomsday.

Both ambassadors and their entourage are being flown completely out of the regions, and are returning to the Aztec Lands.

Whittier provoked the standoff as it demanded that the South Pacific destroy all its nuclear weaponry. The Emperor thus finds favor with the South Pacific.

"Though we are not threatened in the least by this, we are ready to provide humanitary assistance to the South Pacific if the worst occurs."

Both countries have sizeable nuclear stockpiles, enough to intiiate Mutually Assured Destruction, even though the South Pacific far outnumbers Whittier. Peace attempts have disrupted. Both of the diplomatic teams have left on Concorde SST jets and will be refuled in-air by the Navy, Naval Militia, and Air
Force.

"Whittier started this, and we will not help them. But, if the countries do initiate an exchange of nuclear weapons, we are ready to help the South Pacific.I have ordered the III and IV divisions of the National Militia to mobilize for humanitarian aid."

For all those that agree to the treaty I have just written up say Aigh

It states in summation that :
1)Sighard being nuetral at the time will not be attacked at any time.
2)Nuclear Weapons shall not be used and be deactivated to DefCom1 until it is known that neither party is going to use the Weapons then they will be turned off as to not temp anyone.
3)Whomever wins the battle wins the arguement. If wittier wins he shall keep his nukes and everyone in the battle shall disarm theres. If he loses then everybody may keep there Nukes and Wittier shall be disarmed.

If there are arguements then they should be brought up with a neutral nation. This war will result in mass devistation to not only your enemy but your own nation and those anywhere near you and possibly the world.

Talks between Whittier and the South Pacific broke down today as negotiators for both sides walked out.
It was not clear what the sticking point was as neither side was speaking to the press.
Secretary General Brezhnekov will be addressing the people in 15 minutes.
It is noted that this is a sad day in international relations. The Secretary General is said to be dissappointed in the outcome of the talks.

For all those that agree to the treaty I have just written up say Aigh

It states in summation that :
1)Sighard being nuetral at the time will not be attacked at any time.
2)Nuclear Weapons shall not be used and be deactivated to DefCom1 until it is known that neither party is going to use the Weapons then they will be turned off as to not temp anyone.
3)Whomever wins the battle wins the arguement. If wittier wins he shall keep his nukes and everyone in the battle shall disarm theres. If he loses then everybody may keep there Nukes and Wittier shall be disarmed.

If there are arguements then they should be brought up with a neutral nation. This war will result in mass devistation to not only your enemy but your own nation and those anywhere near you and possibly the world.

We are sorry. But while we agree not to target your nation, we cannot agree to the rest of your proposition.

=-Offical Message from The United Socialist States of Busselvania-=
Busselvania will not comply with these non-sense accusations and threats we will not halt our chemical and nuclear development programs.
Should there be any agressive actions against fellow socialist countries, we have hundreds of freelander missles trained on most of your major cities.
But we still remain neutral as long as we are not forced into the conflict as a result of sabatoge

or we'll unleash Atomic monsters on you all!!!! :D

We are sorry. But while we agree not to target your nation, we cannot agree to the rest of your proposition.

What do you propose if this is not favorable?

You cannot win this war. You should make a compromise now and/or give up or you will be destroyed by the massive force against you.

*remains Neutral*

For all those that agree to the treaty I have just written up say Aigh

It states in summation that :
1)Sighard being nuetral at the time will not be attacked at any time.
2)Nuclear Weapons shall not be used and be deactivated to DefCom1 until it is known that neither party is going to use the Weapons then they will be turned off as to not temp anyone.
3)Whomever wins the battle wins the arguement. If wittier wins he shall keep his nukes and everyone in the battle shall disarm theres. If he loses then everybody may keep there Nukes and Wittier shall be disarmed.

If there are arguements then they should be brought up with a neutral nation. This war will result in mass devistation to not only your enemy but your own nation and those anywhere near you and possibly the world.

The South Pacific cannot agree to this.

In the news:
Both sides have walked out of peace talks between The South Pacific and Whittier today. President Andrew Jackson is expected to make a statement in 30 minutes, addressed to the South Pacific people. Ambassador Lindbergh was said to be upset that the talks had failed. The Department of Defense said that appropriate measures and actions were being undertaken and that South Pacific troops in Europe and Afghanistan were recieving what some speculate to be movement orders to attack Whittier troops and the troops of Whittier allies.

Maybe you should start for the other to attack first. Then this may turn out to be a cold war. It would be better off that way.

If not a complete cold war which will not happen at this point you should both hold off your nuclear weapons until the other strikes first.

*A Helicopter lands* "I tried my best but it looks like we can get no comprimise. Me and as many people and animals as we can will be moving to the moon base and watch from there. Good luck South pacific. If I see you need help I will send aid"

*Gets on and departs to the shuttle*

IC:

"We find this moderately amusing that such a pathetic nation would seek to even attempt to force their will on the strong and vibrant world. We scoff at the attempts of the unfit to grab at anything they foolishly hope will prolong their meager and pathetic existence, their undeserved existence."

Joseph Mladic


Ooc: Whittier, you on yahoo?

Secretary General Brezhekov sits at his desk in the Executive Office, a menagerie of television cameras in front of him. His prepared speech appearing on the telepromter. His face somber with full seriousness of the gravity of the situation before him.

"Comrades, tonight it is with grave news that I speak to you. Days ago, we decided to eliminate our nation's nuclear arsenal. However, to do that and remain safe from attack, we need other nations to get of their nuclear arsenals as well. In the Cold War against the South Pacific, both our nation's acquired nuclear arsenals of over 50,000 ICBM's. Through arms control talks, those stockpiles were reduced to 15,000 and both our war sattalites were directed toward peaceful ventures. The cold ended when our nation's signed nonaggression pacts.
Though we've had problems in the past, such as the incident necessitating the building of the great wall of Taliban and the division of the moon into two camps, trade between our nations was never halted and the peace was never at threat.
When the world voiced opposition to our plans for removing nukes from the world, we scrapped it. The South Pacific however, went to DEFCON 2 and threatened thermonuclear war. I ordered our forces to counter the South Pacfic's moves.
Because we have no source of info on the South Pacific I ordered 2 submarines to the South Pacific ocean to monitor TSP movements.
At this moment, our aircraft are monitoring a foriegn fighter bomber circling just outside our airspace. They will not fire unless fired upon or unless the aircraft enters our airspace.
At this time, both our nations sit at DEFCON 4. Talks mediated by Aztec Lands and others have broken down over the issue of ballistic missile submarines. Whittier cannot give up these subs as they vital national security.
I spoke to the President of the South Pacific moments ago and assured him, Whittier will not strike first.
However, due to the gravity of the situation, we cannot ignore the realities either. All previous arms agreements are now null and void. Therefore, the United Socialist States of Whittier has no choice, but to strive to be second to no one, in the acquistion and stockpiling of new nuclear arms as we enter a second cold war against a familiar enemy.

"ITD will never dispose of its nuclear arsenal, mostly due to the state of the world. ITD can promise that ITD will never try to amass such an arsenal that we can destroy the world over more than 15000 times. That should be efficient for now. Though we are nowhere near that level." Darius Tinnell, Secretary of Military

Much to the dissatisfaction of the rest of the world that has to deal with the fallout, in every sense of the word, nations once again use extinction-type violence to bring peace, or the image of it. Peace, some think, is not peace in our sense of the word, just a break from war.
My proposal(s):

1. Let us leave the tools of 20th century warfare in the era from which it came. It has been unanimously decided that, technically, no one wins.

2. Instead, if it is needed, I propose more, shall I say, modern types of weapons based on millions of years of evolution in the animal world. For example, my nation has been extensively researching alternatives to WMD. We have found that "sound weapons," weapons that generate massive sound pulses, can debilitate an entire army... and can even affect their internal functions temporarily without long term damage. It has many other functions that I choose not to devoid as we speak.

3. We have also heavily researched light generating weapons to temporarily blind ground troops.

4. In self-defense, we have succeeded in creating "force fields" or electromagnetic shields of energy. We have not had success in sustaining the shield for longer than 2 days, however, our research time has been infantile in comparison to what I call Alternative Weapons of Mass Debilitation, or AWMD.

5. With the scientific coalition of the willing, we can create a world where death and destruction can be minimized while gaining our aspirations in the world of warfare. Use this time of relative peace to scientifically create more modern weapons.

These are but mere proposals. But we have learned that these are some of the best ways to hamper and hinder ground forces for a legal invasion. It also creates as little harm to civilians and cities as possible.
These are basically a foolish man trying to show an alternative world where mankind won't be wiped out by the stroke of a pen, and I am but a prime minister with no intentions of generating threats or using balancing of power for personal gain. Any comments are welcomed.

Prime Minister Eric Sanford
Democratic States of Kiamesha
Europe
UN Member


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And so it begins...

Exactly how a nation with a population of around 300 million hopes to have an arms race with a nation of 1.58 billion is to be seen.

My nation and I are glad that we have the "Field Of Zalaman" to protect us from such children on the outside. :)

The field of Zalaman as specified protects the inner mainland. It is a Field of power known to be generated by the tower of life, created many years before life itself. It encompases the entire island. Sky, Ocean, Land and Under. There is absolutely no way to pass inside this field any evil. Weapons can not pass through. Many men have tried to sneak destruction into the main land, only to find them selves without defense. It is documented that weapons and items of death become no more, without a trace as passed into the field.

Thos who have attempted to visit the Tower of Life in search of the technology that produces the field, have come also vanished before the eye.

Therefore, even nukes would cause no damage to the field and that is protected inside. :D

We scoff at these demands for disarmament of our most useful trump cards. Not only does the Parthian government own nuclear weapons, 50,000 Citizens of Parthia are elligible for nuclear weapons ownership. We have an estimated 75,000 privatley owned nuclear weapons and 20,000 Government owned nuclear armaments. In addition, Parthia will be testing a 100 megaton bomb to show how intent we are on keeping nuclear arms.

-Field Marshall Rostam Bahari, Minister of Defense

President Andrew Jackson stands at the podium. The flag of the South Pacific behind him. Looking into the television cameras he began.

"Fellow citizens of the South Pacific and the world. Tonight, I come to you with grave news. Tonight, our forces are on Defcon 4. Years of arms control and peaceful relations have come to naught. A decade ago, The South Pacific and Whittier after several rivalries, signed an historic arms control document reducing our respective nuclear arsenals to 15,000 instead of the 50,000 we had at the time.
Our nations even cooperated on common concerns at times. However, a few days ago, Brezhnekov went on a massive power trip and demanded the world give up their right to nuclear self defense. Whittier's aggression is very widely known throughout the world. In response to his demands and due to the fact he recently threatened to attack the nation of Westerny, we began watching his actions carefully. Therefore, when Whittier demanded that we give up our nukes or suffer the consequences, I ordered our forces to alert and put our nuclear forces on DEFCON 2. From there, it escalated to Defcon 4. Which is where we are today.
We both have dangerous war sattalites over each others nations. We have troops in third party nations with fingers on the trigger as they stare at each other across no man's lands.
This morning I approached the leaders of Aztec Lands asking them to mediate a peaceful solution. Neither the South Pacific nor Whittier wanted nuclear war but we are stuck with situation that occured between the US and North Korea during late 20th century. We want to put our nukes away but we can't until Whittier puts theirs away first. Like wise, they won't put their away till we put ours away first.
While I assured Secretary General Brezhnekov that the South Pacific will not launch a first strike, he agreed his nation would do likewise. Further, I have sent orders to troops in Afghanistan and Europe ordering them to heightened alert and to be ready to repel invasions by Whittier or its allies.
Unfortunately, the AL sponsored talks broke down over a technicality and efforts by Sighard to start new peace talks have failed.
Tonight, it is with regret that I announce that all former arms control treaties are hereby terminated.
Due to the failure to come to terms at the talks, and taking into account to ensure the safety of our nation, the United States of the South Pacific has no choice, but to strive to be second to no one in the race to acquire and stockpile thermonuclear ICBM's.
With the plagues and the economic hardtimes that hitting Whittier, it is my hope that Brezhnekov will see the light and that this second cold war will come to quicker end than the last one did.
Thank you, and good night."

We scoff at these demands for disarmament of our most useful trump cards. Not only does the Parthian government own nuclear weapons, 50,000 Citizens of Parthia are elligible for nuclear weapons ownership. We have an estimated 75,000 privatley owned nuclear weapons and 20,000 Government owned nuclear armaments. In addition, Parthia will be testing a 100 megaton bomb to show how intent we are on keeping nuclear arms.

-Field Marshall Rostam Bahari, Minister of Defense
eh, he failed. Now everyone is getting nukes.

OOC:
You can have nukes, great. From the former-Soviet "Briefcase Special" to that 100-Megaton "Armageddon VI" that you have sitting in a secret bunker in your underwater base.


...but do you have delivery systems?

Any country can say that they have X amount of nukes, but unless you have developed nuclear-powered catapults, you're pretty much SOL if you go to war. The nuke has to be over the target, not the launcher, to be effective.

There are several delivery systems:

1. Bombers: As seen at the end of WWII. With modern fighters and air defense systems, they had better be either fast, stealthy, or both. Even then that's not guarantee. Short of pushing it onto their continent, the worst method.

2. Missiles: Raning from the SCUD to the ICBM. The modern way.

3. Submarines: Launch pads? Those are targets. With these, the entire ocean is your launch pad.

4. Sattelittes: Expensive as hell, but once it's up there, it's up there.

I use the stats from my old nation. Everyone knows that.
Then again, I've never seen you before.
:rolleyes:


I can guarantee that 99% of nations do not recognize your old nations' pop. as your population now. The pop. of the current nation you are posting as, is the pop. that you have. You can't change that, I don't care about any excuse you could bring up. If you want the pop. of your old nation, then you still have to be that nation.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.

well, those are some pretty big threats youre waving around, arent they? Will you be able to enforce any type of Nuclear disarmament?

In the Thar Desert of Pakistan a targeting beacon had been set up. sixty miles away in a bunker, scientists with glasses meant to protect the eyes during an atomic bomb detonation watched through a shielded vision slit.

Miles away, in the Zagros mountains of Parthia, a very large ICBM was being prepared. The silo doors were opening wide as the missile began to activate boosters and race into the sky. The weapon exited the athmosphere and then, the reentry vehicle descended exactly onto the beacon, exploding 5 kilometers above the earth.

http://www.zvis.com/nuclear/dimg.php3?tzarbo2,tzar

The yield was a tremendous 100 Megatons, and capable of leaving this:

Crater Diameter: 2 Kilometers
Fireball Diameter: 4 Kilometers
Total Destruction Radius: 13 Kilometers
Heavy Damage Radius: 20 Kilometers
Moderate Damage Radius: 28 Kilometers
Light Damage Radius: 35 Kilometers
Radius of Burning (Distance from which people can get second degree burns and paint and clothing catch fire): 61 Kilometers

I can guarantee that 99% of nations do not recognize your old nations' pop. as your population now. The pop. of the current nation you are posting as, is the pop. that you have. You can't change that, I don't care about any excuse you could bring up. If you want the pop. of your old nation, then you still have to be that nation.
ever notice that 99%of nations don't rp.
The population will go down to "normal" once I am done with the Division of Whittier thread. Till then, I use the old population.
Lots of good stuff going to happen in that thread. Including a dramatic "die off of civilians and military alike" from diseases and other stuff.
This cold war will make it happen faster cause it will make the government unable to afford medicine or other healthcare. And Whittier will break into 3 seperate nations, each of which will be limited to the pops and stuff on their profile pages. Though I haven't decided what to do with the nuke arsenal. Old Whittier had 15,000. Thinking of having a mad scientist steal them and sell them to rogue states and terrorists. And yes, something will happen to the meteor.
This way the storyline flows more smoothly.

The Federation of Melkislov is warning Whittier to stop medling in other nation's and region's affairs and worry about its own.Whittier has no right
to tell other nations what to do.Whittier must think it can go around and force
other nations to do what Whittier wants whenever.Such an action made by Whittier is reckless and is a threat to peace.Melkislov highly believes that Whittier should reconsider its action.Such aggression will and shouldnot be tolerated and if need be,be repelled by the free nations of the civilized world.
Courtesy of The Federation of Melkislov,
Foreign Ministry

Bridge of the Hardheads submarine no1
The captain looked worried and with good reason. After watching the unfolding events with growing concern the Incorporated states goverment decided to cut the brand-new subs shake-down cruise short and send her there, possibly into harms way, to represent their country's interest.

Official statement by the pr office
"Today we made the decision to send one of our new submarines to lie just outside the territorial waters of Whittier. To those involved in this: The submarine carries only conventional munitions and is under strict orders not to fire first under any circumstances."

I can guarantee that 99% of nations do not recognize your old nations' pop. as your population now. The pop. of the current nation you are posting as, is the pop. that you have. You can't change that, I don't care about any excuse you could bring up. If you want the pop. of your old nation, then you still have to be that nation.

Well, he can claim every population he wants... And everyone else can simply refuse to acknowledge it and choose to simply not acknowledge Whittier-.

Hence, why he is playing with himself (TSP, West Moon etc.).

If you don't like it, simply don't interact. And really, why the fuck would one interact with Whittier-, population wank or not?

Considering all of this, I would suggest leaving his threads alone, letting him have the fun of egomasturbation... It ain't as good as doing it with others, but if no one wants to even touch him...

ooc: hey, i'm not a military buff, but isn't defcon 1 the highest level?

also, isn't this the same plot that Whittier was using back in March of 2003? good god, man, get a new tune.

When asked about Whittier's demand to disarm it's nuclear arsenal, the foreign minister and Regent responded "If Whittier does what it demands of other nations, then pigs will fly with the 2nd coming of Christ as well".

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.

*Laughs at the futility of this*

In a perfect world,yes. In this world, as in guns, if they are outlawed only outlaws will have them.

OOC: Humanest, it's best not to say things like that or it will turn this thread into a *shudders* general-board style debate.

Anyway, just a note, Whittier- withdrew his threats after it became apparent that the whole of NS would destroy him if he tried to enforce this.

Bridge of the Hardheads submarine no1
The captain looked worried and with good reason. After watching the unfolding events with growing concern the Incorporated states goverment decided to cut the brand-new subs shake-down cruise short and send her there, possibly into harms way, to represent their country's interest.

Official statement by the pr office
"Today we made the decision to send one of our new submarines to lie just outside the territorial waters of Whittier. To those involved in this: The submarine carries only conventional munitions and is under strict orders not to fire first under any circumstances."
3 Galaxy Class submarines have been dispatched to search for the Hardhead sub. If they find, they will not attack, but only monitor its movements.

ooc: hey, i'm not a military buff, but isn't defcon 1 the highest level?

also, isn't this the same plot that Whittier was using back in March of 2003? good god, man, get a new tune.
had to recycle for the division of Whittier thread.

There is one nuke in procco. IT is kept in a secured area in the easternmost island. It is stirctly for scientific purposes (i.e. standard tests). We refuse to remove this bomb.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.

In response to whittiers demands the Emperors government has decided to give up the following weapons:


















That will be all.

Mesazoic is currently stockpileing Biological, Chemic, and Nuclear weapons. When World War starts, we will be ready.

In order to assure world peace and to ensure that dictators, unstable governments, and terrorists don't get nuclear weapons, Whittier demands that the rest of the world give up their nukes.
This starts with the nation of the South Pacific.
TSP will give up its nukes within the next 48 hours or face war.
How about we all get rid of them by dumping it on you?

How about we all get rid of them by dumping it on you?I'll settle for that, and ONLY that.

I agree, the only way I'll dispose of my nukes is to dump them over countries like Whittier.

A 150 megaton bomb test is being prepared.

My 50,000 ton termy birds are fed and on their way.

"Look! A flying pig!"