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Any attempt to capture or kill Queen Victoria Fabus, her two children from her other marriage, or her 2 children with King MacDonald will result in a nuclear strike. If any of these people are captured or killed, expect a full nuclear retaliation.

Kahta has just ordered an 60,000 ICBM's with silos, 10,000 will be targeted at each country. Delivery will complete in 5 years (1 RL week for RP purposes).

A Kahtan nuclear strike against any of the forementioned nations will result in retaliation and annexation by Hogsweat.

Kahta, watch your words.





EDIT: How uber godmoddy of you...

Arribastan does not believe that you have the economy to buy 60,000 ICBM's or silos for them. Any missles fired will be shot down by Arribastan's SDI defense system.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

Arribastan does not believe that you have the economy to buy 60,000 ICBM's or silos for them. Any missles fired will be shot down by Arribastan's SDI defense system.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

We are making the silos right now with unemployed people, and people that are working for their welfare money. We have the resources to make about 1,000 per year. The other 55,000 will be transferred from our stockpile of 100,000.

SemiOOC: And how, pray tell, did you get 100,000 nukes? That's most definitely GODMODing.

A Kahtan nuclear strike against any of the forementioned nations will result in retaliation and annexation by Hogsweat.

Kahta, watch your words.



You are not involved. This will be done simply to prevent anyone from thinking about taking the Queen, her 2 kids, or my 2 kids.

King MacDonald

We agree with Kahta. Victoria Fabus is reasonably normal- leave her alone.

Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri

P.S.- Don't even think of going after Yuna.

Any attack against the afore-mentioned nations will result in massive retaliation by Roach-Busters and the TBA Alliance, in addition to my many other allies (a few of which are over a billion). We beg you to reconsider.

Roach-Busters has no intention of doing anything- good or bad- to the Fabus family, however.

Arribastan does not believe that you have the economy to buy 60,000 ICBM's or silos for them. Any missles fired will be shot down by Arribastan's SDI defense system.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor


OOC: Also no missile defense system is more than 75% accurate.

Any attack against the afore-mentioned nations will result in massive retaliation by Roach-Busters and the TBA Alliance, in addition to my many other allies (a few of which are over a billion). We beg you to reconsider.
Hell, Arribastan's over a billion. Mr. MacDonald and his farm are going down if they continue to threaten nations with a GODMODed nuke stash.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

Hell, Arribastan's over a billion. Mr. MacDonald and his farm are going down if they continue to threaten nations with a GODMODed nuke stash.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

(OOC: Lol, and you're Batman :p)

SemiOOC: And how, pray tell, did you get 100,000 nukes? That's most definitely GODMODing.

built up over time. I'm over a year old.

You are not involved. This will be done simply to prevent anyone from thinking about taking the Queen, her 2 kids, or my 2 kids.

King MacDonald


Oh, I'm afraid I am involved now. You are threatening allies of the Empire.
-Emperor Dorsal VXIII

Hell, Arribastan's over a billion. Mr. MacDonald and his farm are going down if they continue to threaten nations with a GODMODed nuke stash.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

OOC: If you arent going to RP, STAY OUT.

Oh, I'm afraid I am involved now. You are threatening allies of the Empire.
-Emperor Dorsal VXIII

So, you support the kidnapping of the Queen of Kahta?

King MacDonald

Ooc: Bbl

OOC: Also no missile defense system is more than 75% accurate.OOC:correct, however, there is more than one SDI system out there. And there is, I'm sure, at least one nation willing to help us that does. If that's the case, the odds increase exponentially for each system involved. 2 SDI systems = 99.9375% accurate; 3 systems = 99.984375% accurate; etc.

Official Imperial Statement

We are prepared to be used as a third party to negotiate any peace settlement. We do not wish war, especially nuclear war, to break out.

Secret Imperial communique to Kahta and (possibly) Sevaris

Your Royal Family is welcome to set up a government-in-exile if war should break out. Your heirs must survive!

OOC: I have mod-tech territory where Spain and Portugal would normally be. It's how I'm able to keep up with IC Earth news.

Official Imperial Statement

We are prepared to be used as a third party to negotiate any peace settlement. We do not wish war, especially nuclear war, to break out.

Secret Imperial communique to Kahta and (possibly) Sevaris

Your Royal Family is welcome to set up a government-in-exile if war should break out. Your heirs must survive!

OOC: I have mod-tech territory where Spain and Portugal would normally be. It's how I'm able to keep up with IC Earth news.

Secret Reply:
We thank you for this.

Official Imperial Statement

We are prepared to be used as a third party to negotiate any peace settlement. We do not wish war, especially nuclear war, to break out.

Secret Imperial communique to Kahta and (possibly) Sevaris

Your Royal Family is welcome to set up a government-in-exile if war should break out. Your heirs must survive!

OOC: I have mod-tech territory where Spain and Portugal would normally be. It's how I'm able to keep up with IC Earth news.


"If the royal family of Kahta is ever in trouble, they know they are fully welcome to reside in Mississippi. We will do anything and everything to help their regime though, should it require assistance to stay solvent. King Sam MacDonald and Queen Victoria Fabus of Kahta both know they have our full support."

Czar Roger Fabus

PS secret communique
We also offer our Missile Defense Laser System if and when you need it.

Kahta will not make any actions upon IDF or Celack, so long as they remain members of the NATO alliance. If you launch so much as one missile, you are signing the death for every one of your citizens, the raping of your cities and pillaging of your women.

Threats are the word of the desperate man. If you are so worried about these people getting killed, maybe there is a good reason for them to be killed?

Kahta will not make any actions upon IDF or Celack, so long as they remain members of the NATO alliance. If you launch so much as one missile, you are signing the death for every one of your citizens, the raping of your cities and pillaging of your women.

Threats are the word of the desperate man. If you are so worried about these people getting killed, maybe there is a good reason for them to be killed?

Not really. They're good rulers, who care for their people.

Official Statement, Imperial Government

Any nuclear attack upon our NATO allies IDF or Celack will result in a full nuclear responce from Praetonian strategic forces. We advise you to retract your hasty words before yet more NATO members are forced to take action.

"Any attack against a nation that has a royal marriage with our family, our any noble family based from our lands, will result in the mobilization of the PSA and the NDA to combat the aggressors."

Czar Roger Fabus

Not really. They're good rulers, who care for their people.

From Sevaris to Kahta....How the times have changed.

From Sevaris to Kahta....How the times have changed.

Indeed they have.

I think I would be too easy to take the queen, all you need is the right Nuke interceptors, a joint invasions would bring this country to a fall, next after you capture the queen, you know :sniper: ,excute her in front of the children then :sniper: ,excuted them :D
Add one more thing: Monarchy or and form of religious government sucks, You can't even trust you noble men or your children, they might act like Ivan the terrible. Dictatorship is the way to go or Democracy.

"Any attack against a nation that has a royal marriage with our family, our any noble family based from our lands, will result in the mobilization of the PSA and the NDA to combat the aggressors."

Czar Roger Fabus


I hate to say this, but I believe that Fabus has a reasonable statement there. However, a nuclear strike? I do believe Kahta's leader needs to cool it.

Lord Eldric

OOC: Also no missile defense system is more than 75% accurate.
[OOC: DA's is.]

[OOC: DA's is.]



Ooc- Our system cost about 15 trillion total, and we estimate it can get between 80-90% of most known missiles.

Missile Defense systems are great. Modern versions (2020-2050) have accuracy of 80-90%. However, they are limited. The way to defeat them is saturation. No system can stop 10,000 targets in a 60 second window. That would mean a they would need to kill 5.91 per second, and keep doing that for the 31 minutes of the flight time. You'd neeed to spend a lot of money to make a defense system with 13,000 counter weapons in it. And it would add less then 10-20% to the cost of an ICBM weapon to add 3-4 decoys to it, which would incerase the cost of a counter system by a factor of 6.

Your agression has been noted. Our retaliation in the case of war will be short and sweat.

The Commissariat of War
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

If you harm any one of our allies, even your houses will be sexually violated.
-Minister of War: General Alexander Roska

Official Diplomatic Notice to Khata from the Imperium:

Any attempted nuclear strike against either Hallad or Hattia will result in a full-scale conventional, chemical, and nuclear retalliation from the Imperium. Our full efforts and righteous fury will be directed to Khata's destruction. Do not trifle with the Imperium.

Asiya Saleh,
Duchess Alexandria,
Imperium of Scandavian States

Imperial Ultimatum Issued to Sovereign Nation of Kahta -
Using Protocols C-D Nuclear Operations, with Commonwealth Approval and Enacting Section A-F- Nuclear Retaliation and Operation, Paragraph A1/2

KNOWING; That the Sovereign Nation of Kahta controls large nuclear weapon stockpiles. That Sovereign Nation of Kahta will launch said nuclear weaponry against ; Several Allied Nations ; if Sovereign of Kahta is kidnapped by said nations.

SUPPORTING; The anti-nuclear movement and disarmament of all standing Nuclear, Biological, and Chemical weaponry

PLACING; Economic embargoes and sanctions upon Sovereign Nation of Kahta if said nation does not reply to Ultimatum within 48 hours.

MOBILIZING; Fleets 4-5, Royal Marine Divisions; 34th, 82nd, 19th, and 40th.

ASKING; Sovereign nation of Kahta to de-mobilize nuclear stockpiles within 24 hours

STATING; That Sovereign Nation of Hogsweat, its Empire and Commonwealth will mobilize M.A.D and Retaliatory Thermo-Nuclear Weaponry if Kahta does not respond within 24 hours.

OFFERING; A mutual disarmament pact within both sides.

SUPPORTING; Sovereign Nations; IDF, Collectable Knicknacks, Hallad, Celack, Generic Empire, and Hattia.

DEMANDING;
1.) That Kahta withdraw all nuclear missile threats against aforementioned nations
2.) That Kahta demobilize nuclear missile stockpiles against aforementioned nations
3.) That Aforementioned Nations lower hostilities towards Kahta and its Sovereign

STATING;
1.) That Hogsweat will remove Offensive Kahtan Missile Silos if ultimatum is not responded to in 24 hours, forcibly if neccessary
2.) That Hogsweat will not support any kidnapping attempt of Kahtan Sovereign by aforementioned nations.

Sevaris will back up Kahta. He has the right to own nuclear weapons.

I'm not saying he can't have them. I'm saying he can't aim them at IDF , CK, Hallad, Celack, GE, Hattia, etc etc

I'm not saying he can't have them. I'm saying he can't aim them at IDF , CK, Hallad, Celack, GE, Hattia, etc etc
Why can't he? He can aim them- what's wrong with that?

OOC: Also no missile defense system is more than 75% accurate.

OOC: Yes, but when you have multiple of such systems used by different countries you get better odds,

Your nuke numbers are impossible godmodds by the way. If you want her so protected, then simply have her divorce the sick bastard husband.

Secret Message:

To King MacDonald of Kahta:

From Foreign Ministry of Decisive Action:


"We are willing to station 300 Mississippian B-52s in Kahta as to deter possible Hogsweatian aggression. They will be armed with B-83s and ALCMS.

We would also like to base 20 Ohio SSBNS out of Kahta."


Paul Stahlecker

OOC: Yes, but when you have multiple of such systems used by different countries you get better odds,

Your nuke numbers are impossible godmodds by the way. If you want her so protected, then simply have her divorce the sick bastard husband.

Sam is a decent man. Actually, he's made Victoria sane.

Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri

Because, having nukes aimed at each other only heats it up.

OOC: I will be mobilizing reserves, but want to know on a RL map where Kahta is

ooc: http://www.kuattech.com/eropids.png

To CK, Hallad, Celack, GE, Haittia, Hogsweat, and any others opposed to Kahta or DA:
From: IDF

We must band together against this threat and work on ABM defenses. IDF has the TEACLIPPER project that
has been developed for countless decades. We must share technology and work against these imperialistic animals.

I think we should all go to increased alert statuses and mobilize Navy, AF, Marines, and Army forces to show Kahta who is boss.
Together we outgun him and can show him real force and get him to back down when he sees what he is up against.

I don't think we should do anything as drastic as attack him, but showing him force will do what we wish

END


(TEACLIPPER Has been in existance since April 2004, much longer then DA's development on ABM, search my history for project Teaclippler)

Nice map, but I believe that the IDF means where in the world?

ooc: http://www.kuattech.com/eropids.png

OOC: what ocean would that be in?

OOC:correct, however, there is more than one SDI system out there. And there is, I'm sure, at least one nation willing to help us that does. If that's the case, the odds increase exponentially for each system involved. 2 SDI systems = 99.9375% accurate; 3 systems = 99.984375% accurate; etc.

OOC: Stop 10,000 missiles in one minute. We dont launch a few at a time, we launch all of them at a time from land based. Then hit any other targets with sea based missiles. Also, cruise missiles cannot be stopped by missile defense systems.

Any hostile action taken towards the nations of Hattia and Hallad will bring full retaliation from the Tiboritian Defense Forces.

Minister of Defense Herman

OOC: This is all secret.

IC:

The eigth Typhoon SSBN's of the Halladi navy were put on standby. At the Alpha, Beta, and Delta Nuclear silo sites the arming sequence was put on stand by.

Two divisions of the People's Militia in each province have been ordered to mobilize.

Because, having nukes aimed at each other only heats it up.

OOC: an attack on the royal family would be an act of war and if Khata doctrine calls for imediate escalation to a nuclear response thats thier issue.
As to the numbers of nukes well it isn't that bad after all i'm sure that at the height of the cold war the numbers of nukes were about that level if not higher...

As to aiming them, well silo launched ICBMs are very easy to retarget, its not as if you have to actually point them any where but up...

And if you didn't think he had the coords for all your major cities (along with everyone else's) already programed in then you would be rather foolish.


As to Khata he is just north of Attica in the eropid region where ever that is (northern europe roughly but in its own oceon IIRC) so of coruse crookfur would be very concerned about fall out damage to our allies of Attica and FPC, and to a lesser extent Hamptonshire...

OOC: Stop 10,000 missiles in one minute. We dont launch a few at a time, we launch all of them at a time from land based. Then hit any other targets with sea based missiles. Also, cruise missiles cannot be stopped by missile defense systems.

OOC: cruise missiles will die against the over 1,000 AEGIS ships I have in my Navy.

Besides you can't have that many nukes, it is a godmodd.

"If the royal family of Kahta is ever in trouble, they know they are fully welcome to reside in Mississippi. We will do anything and everything to help their regime though, should it require assistance to stay solvent. King Sam MacDonald and Queen Victoria Fabus of Kahta both know they have our full support."

Czar Roger Fabus

Thank you roger.

King MacDonald

Kahta will not make any actions upon IDF or Celack, so long as they remain members of the NATO alliance. If you launch so much as one missile, you are signing the death for every one of your citizens, the raping of your cities and pillaging of your women.

Threats are the word of the desperate man. If you are so worried about these people getting killed, maybe there is a good reason for them to be killed?

I will protect my wife and the Queen of Kahta. How do you think I should react?

King MacDonald

I think I would be too easy to take the queen, all you need is the right Nuke interceptors, a joint invasions would bring this country to a fall, next after you capture the queen, you know :sniper: ,excute her in front of the children then :sniper: ,excuted them :D
Add one more thing: Monarchy or and form of religious government sucks, You can't even trust you noble men or your children, they might act like Ivan the terrible. Dictatorship is the way to go or Democracy.

I dont care about your OOC comments.

To CK, Hallad, Celack, GE, Haittia, Hogsweat, and any others opposed to Kahta or DA:
From: IDF

We must band together against this threat and work on ABM defenses. IDF has the TEACLIPPER project that
has been developed for countless decades. We must share technology and work against these imperialistic animals.

I think we should all go to increased alert statuses and mobilize Navy, AF, Marines, and Army forces to show Kahta who is boss.
Together we outgun him and can show him real force and get him to back down when he sees what he is up against.

I don't think we should do anything as drastic as attack him, but showing him force will do what we wish

END


(TEACLIPPER Has been in existance since April 2004, much longer then DA's development on ABM, search my history for project Teaclippler)


Encrypted Message to IDF:

We agree to this. We have already put a large portion of our nuclear arsenal on standby and are mobilizing a small portion of the People's Militia. However, we do not have an SDI system.

OOC: cruise missiles will die against the over 1,000 AEGIS ships I have in my Navy.

Besides you can't have that many nukes, it is a godmodd.

And you have all those ships arrayed around your nation?

of course conventional Air defence systems should make short work of run of the mill CMs...

I'm not saying he can't have them. I'm saying he can't aim them at IDF , CK, Hallad, Celack, GE, Hattia, etc etc

No one knows where I aim them at. We keep the locations of hundreds of thousands of targets on file. You dont know where they are aimed.

OOC: huge call up to be posted soon

And you have all those ships arrayed around your nation?

of course conventional Air defence systems should make short work of run of the mill CMs...

Aegis is meant for high performance and high speed CMs and is a very affective system, one which I upgraded with the SPY-3D Radar and the new SM-4MRs and ERs

OOC: Yes, but when you have multiple of such systems used by different countries you get better odds,

Your nuke numbers are impossible godmodds by the way. If you want her so protected, then simply have her divorce the sick bastard husband.

1. Dont insult my character, *his* policies are based on a more extreme RL opinions of mine.

2. They are not godmods, I've been around for over a year.

3. I also have multiple systems. Air, land, and space based.

4. I am not a sick bastard husband.

Secret Message:

To King MacDonald of Kahta:

From Foreign Ministry of Decisive Action:


"We are willing to station 300 Mississippian B-52s in Kahta as to deter possible Hogsweatian aggression. They will be armed with B-83s and ALCMS.

We would also like to base 20 Ohio SSBNS out of Kahta."


Paul Stahlecker

Offer accepted.

King MacDonald

Encrypted Message to IDF:

We agree to this. We have already put a large portion of our nuclear arsenal on standby and are mobilizing a small portion of the People's Militia. However, we do not have an SDI system.

Encrypted reply:

It is good I am in the process of the same thing at my secret island base (can't say name due to possiblity of this being broken, but I own a nice RL Island and have RP evidence to it)

We will give you all the data on our SDI system, but we don't have enough time to rush build one,

1. Dont insult my character, *his* policies are based on a more extreme RL opinions of mine.

2. They are not godmods, I've been around for over a year.

3. I also have multiple systems. Air, land, and space based.

4. I am not a sick bastard husband.

OOC: I wasn't insulting your king, I was insulting Czar Fabus.

THat number of nukes is impossible

space launch is not modern tech and mainly ignored.

The sick bastard is not your king, but Czar Fabus.

IDF, I think that 10,000 warheads is a very possible The US currently has 14,000-15,000 warheads in inventry. The Russians have 20,000-30,000, although only about half of them are still active.

tag

ooc: also, happy belated 1 year nation birth anniversary to me :)

Encrypted Message to IDF:

We thank you. We are optimistic that we can defeat this evil empire.

The Commissariat of War
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Secret IC:

Twenty Kirov CGN's were also put on standby, and another 4 divisions of Milita from each province were ordered to assemble.

OOC: what ocean would that be in?

I dont know. Ask Attica.

We will support Kahta against this unjustified agression.

IDF, I think that 10,000 warheads is a very possible The US currently has 14,000-15,000 warheads in inventry. The Russians have 20,000-30,000, although only about half of them are still active.
No 10,000 warheads launched in a minute is impossible, PLus your numbers of a few 100 thousand are definite godmoddds

IDF, I think that 10,000 warheads is a very possible The US currently has 14,000-15,000 warheads in inventry. The Russians have 20,000-30,000, although only about half of them are still active.

My population is 7 times larger than the RL US. There is a capacity to build many many more.

No 10,000 warheads launched in a minute is impossible, PLus your numbers of a few 100 thousand are definite godmoddds

During the cold war the US or USSR could have launched every ICBM with one order.

I said 100,000.

We will support Kahta against this unjustified agression.

Agression? They have threatened to whipe out the inhabitants of six nations! That is agression!

The Commissariat of War
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Hey, the USAF Strategic Forces can get its Missiles off within 1 minute of each other, and the whole objective would be to merely sycronize launch times.

ENCRYPTED MESSAGE TO ALL AGAINST KAHTA:

IDF shipyards and aircraft build reserves for this sort of situation. We have dockyards and hangars full of mint condition unused equipment that we built in excess that we can't afford to man, but loan out to allies in times of war or crisis.

Just ask for what you need and we will try and get it to you, but you will have to supply your own crews. We have stuff from F-15 fighters to Kirov CGNs

Agression? They have threatened to whipe out the inhabitants of six nations! That is agression!

The Commissariat of War
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Aggression is trying to kill or kidnap the queen of Kahta and her 4 children.

Imperial Statement:
And we will defend Kahta, too.

Secret message to Kahta:
Just give the word and we'll be there. Our armies need some combat practice.

OOC:
Plus I'm bored and need to flex my mod-tech muscles.

Thank you.

King MacDonald

OOC: I wasn't insulting your king, I was insulting Czar Fabus.

THat number of nukes is impossible

space launch is not modern tech and mainly ignored.

The sick bastard is not your king, but Czar Fabus.

1. Victoria is married to King MacDonald, who has made her sane.

2. 100,000 is not impossible

3. Space based ABM

4. ok

We will support Kahta against this unjustified agression.

Imperial Statement:
And we will defend Kahta, too.

Secret message to Kahta:
Just give the word and we'll be there. Our armies need some combat practice.

OOC:
Plus I'm bored and need to flex my mod-tech muscles.

Official Statement from The Proletariat Commonwealth of The Island of Rose:

Oh can both sides shut up already? Settle down, let's solve this peacefully. I select a neutral country somewhere, but war will get you nowhere you warmongering idiots. You both should be ashamed that you made no attempt at diplomacy. I also apologize for Alexander. Now kiss and make up!
-Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rosta Einvach

Aggression is trying to kill or kidnap the queen of Kahta and her 4 children.

We have made no attempts at that. We do not intend to make an attempt. However, we do support the destruction of the Fabus family. Take that as you will. But, if such an action happened, we can garentee the killer/kidnapper will not be Halladi.

The Commissariat of Diplomacy
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

So, I assume that everyone here backing those nations listed in the Threads title is in support of the killing or kidnapping Queen Victoria, her 2 children from another marriage, or her 2 Children she has had with me.

King MacDonld

So, I assume that everyone here backing those nations listed in the Threads title is in support of the killing or kidnapping Queen Victoria, her 2 children from another marriage, or her 2 Children she has had with King MacDonald.
If you attack any one of them, it will be an act of war.

We have made no attempts at that. We do not intend to make an attempt. However, we do support the destruction of the Fabus family. Take that as you will. But, if such an action happened, we can garentee the killer/kidnapper will not be Halladi.

The Commissariat of Diplomacy
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Secret:

Victoria is a sane Fabus. She is the Queen of Kahta and married me.

King MacDonald

Message to Kahta:

She's married to two people?

Secret IC:

After a long meeting in the President's War Room Secretary of War Jerry Angelo authorized the largest call up of the Navy in IDF history. The fleet is sailing at flank speed towards an undisclosed location

Naval forces being called up:
5 of the new 12 Tribes class (all that have been finished as of yet) (190 F-35s each)
11 Yorktown CVNs (90 F-35s each)
6 NImitz CVNs (70 F-35s each) (3 are Naval reserve)
12 de Gaulle CVNs (45 F-35s each)
3 Guillen Dreadnoughts (yes the big guns!)
24 Arizona BBGNs
9 Iowa II BBGNSs (7 of which are reserve)
11 Cherokee missile platform ships
20 Imperator missile platform ships (9 are naval resrve)
20 Kirov CGN (5 are reserve)
71 Ticonderoga II CG
74 Farragat DDG
117 Arleigh Burke DDG
145 Ilan Ramon DDG
45 Kidd DDG (all reserve)
15 Spruance DD (all reserve)
685 Chicago FFG
225 Oliver Hazard Perry FFG (all are Naval Reserve)
478 Assorted logistical surface ships
18 Wasp II LHDs
65 Galaxy SSNs
45 Seawolf SSNs
81 Los Angeles (improved)
51 Upholder SSK
19 Kilo SSK

So, I assume that everyone here backing those nations listed in the Threads title is in support of the killing or kidnapping Queen Victoria, her 2 children from another marriage, or her 2 Children she has had with me.

King MacDonld
(OOC) Are you aware you are threatening to masacre billions of civilians? I may not agree with killing this Queen and her children, but threatening the death of the people of the country in response to the actions of its leaders is pretty horiffic.

If you attack any one of them, it will be an act of war.

WTF? :confused: :confused:

Message to Kahta:

She's married to two people?


No, her other husband was killed several years ago. Now she is married to King MacDonald.

So, I assume that everyone here backing those nations listed in the Threads title is in support of the killing or kidnapping Queen Victoria, her 2 children from another marriage, or her 2 Children she has had with me.

King MacDonld

We highly frown upon such odious tactics as they are not very becoming of a nation. The death of children and royal members by the hands of another nation is something we take very seriously.

~Emperor Masaki

(OOC) Are you aware you are threatening to masacre billions of civilians? I may not agree with killing this Queen and her children, but threatening the death of the people of the country in response to the actions of its leaders is pretty horiffic.

OOC: What would England have done in the same situation?

WTF? :confused: :confused:
Most of the nations on your list are either allies or friends of Whittier.
Specifically, IDF, GE, and Hattia (don't recall from which war though).

No, her other husband was killed several years ago. Now she is married to King MacDonald.

And so how does that apply to the Fabus family?

Most of the nations on your list are either allies or friends of Whittier.
OOC: Good to see you Whittier.

And so how does that apply to the Fabus family?

Victoria Fabus is Queen Victoria of Kahta.

OOC: I think Kahta is mistaken, when we bounty CM Fabus family members we refrer to those in country and part of DA government, Your Queen doesn't fall under this catagory, but of course he sibling in DA will never be safe until they are in Hell fires

IDF: Do you have MSN, ICQ, or AIM?

OOC: I think Kahta is mistaken, when we bounty CM Fabus family members we refrer to those in country and part of DA government, Your Queen doesn't fall under this catagory, but of course he sibling in DA will never be safe until they are in Hell fires


She is a member of the Fabus Family though. Thats how I read it as a threat.

OOC: I think Kahta is mistaken, when we bounty CM Fabus family members we refrer to those in country and part of DA government, Your Queen doesn't fall under this catagory, but of course he sibling in DA will never be safe until they are in Hell fires

Yeah, that's what I meant when I put the bounty on them.

She is a member of the Fabus Family though. Thats how I read it as a threat.
OOC: but she isn't in line of sucession to DA nor is she part of the government there as she is now part of Kahta and no longer considered part of DA's ruling family as she has little power there now

OOC: but she isn't in line of sucession to DA nor is she part of the government there as she is now part of Kahta and no longer considered part of DA's ruling family as she has little power there now

OOC: She has almost the same power as King MacDonald.

IDF: Do you have MSN, ICQ, or AIM?
I have AIM, name is chicagobears777

what do you want to discuss?

OOC: She has almost the same power as King MacDonald.
Well we don't care about that as Kahta wasn't the target of our bounties, DA was

I have AIM, name is chicagobears777

what do you want to discuss?

The RP.

Missiles are no longer being aimed at IDF and Hallad.

OOC: She has almost the same power as King MacDonald.


Ooc- All she has to do is call her brother, Roger up, and ask him for something, he'll see whatever she wants done, gets done. It's the family connections that matter most in Mississippi.

Ooc- All she has to do is call her brother, Roger up, and ask him for something, he'll see whatever she wants done, gets done. It's the family connections that matter most in Mississippi.
Shush! Before the world has a nuclear winter!

Shush! Before the world has a nuclear winter!

Nuclear winter?

That's being optimistic to the extreme.

60,000 Strategic level thermal nuclear weapons going off at once would be quite enough to knock the planet out of a stable orbit and send it plummeting into the sun.

Well, NS is the size of jupiter. I figured it wouldn't be as severe as on earth.

Frankly, there is no way in hell you can have 100,000 nuclear ICBMs, do you know how much in upkeep and whatnot it would cost to have that many?

I'd except a smaller number, but not that many...

IC:

The Republic is not swayed by the threat from the illegitimate government of Kahta. We had no intention of killing any of the Fabuses ourselves, especially not the children, (What do you think we are, capitalists?), but you might have just persuaded us to try.

We have enough nuclear weapons to completely level your country, not to mention just about every nation in Haven would proceed to also nuke you.

If you want a fight, you will have bitten off far more that you can chew...

Fyodor Leningrad Zyteslav
Sr. Commisar (HPA Ret.)
Prime Minister of the Soviet Socialist Republic

Response from the Office of the Executor:

Let it be known that if the state of Kahta attacks any of the aforementioned nations, Tyrandis will come down with the fury of a thousand suns, making the conquests of Automagfreek seem merciful in comparison.

This is not a threat; it is a promise.

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Militant Empire of Tyrandis

Well, NS is the size of jupiter. I figured it wouldn't be as severe as on earth.

That may be still a bit optimistic. You ARE looking at the cracking of the planet's crust, at the vert least. Not to mention a destablization of the mantle, and possibly the core, from all that force being tranferred into the planet.

That may be still a bit optimistic. You ARE looking at the cracking of the planet's crust, at the vert least. Not to mention a destablization of the mantle, and possibly the core, from all that force being tranferred into the planet.
OOC: Physically impossible for that to happen. Unless you violate the laws of physics that is.

I will protect my wife and the Queen of Kahta. How do you think I should react?

King MacDonald

The same way all nations do. Of course you will go to war if a nation sponsers the kidnapping or killing of your leaders. Threatening to kill billions in nuclear attacks if 2-6 people are killed is insane.

On an unrelated note, 5 CBG's and 2 BBG's are headed to Hamptonshire for unstated reasons.

Shessaran Official Statement
From: Braedd Laeryn, Maelgad of Shessara


We remind Kahta that striking at Hallad will bring the wrath of the New Roman Empire down about his ears and that of their allies.

We also inform Kahta that they should take down their missiles and turn them into swords. Missiles are for weak girls who cannot fight their own battles.

Laeryn.

The Island States Strategic Forces has moved up to ORANGE/HIGH alert, coinciding with threats against the USR and its allies. Any attempt by Kahta or it's allies to attack the USR and it's allies with nuclear weapons will result in a smashing nuclear/conventional counterattack by The Island States.

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Our current nuclear stockpile includes:

300 ICBMS (each with 5 250-kiloton warheads (ala MIRV)).
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Until Kahta backs down from these threats, all Kahta vessels (and those from countries supporting Kahta) within TIS waters will be searched from end to end for contraband, and detained until proper 'inspections' can maintain that vessels flying the Kahta flag are up to the strictest safety code (in other words, all Kahta vessels in TIS waters and ports will be detained until the crisis is over). Arrangements will be made, in cases of 'prolonged inspections', to send the ship crews back to Kahta and their respective allies.

That is all, for now.

I would like to thank our comrades in The Island States for their support. Similar measures will be implemented in Hattian ports as well...

Fyodor Leningrad Zyteslav
Sr. Commisar (HPA Ret.)
Prime Minister of the Soviet Socialist Republic

The Island States Strategic Forces has moved up to ORANGE/HIGH alert, coinciding with threats against the USR and its allies. Any attempt by Kahta or it's allies to attack the USR and it's allies with nuclear weapons will result in a smashing nuclear/conventional counterattack by The Island States.

----------------------
Our current nuclear stockpile includes:

300 ICBMS (each with 5 250-kiloton warheads (ala MIRV)).
----------------------

Until Kahta backs down from these threats, all Kahta vessels (and those from countries supporting Kahta) within TIS waters will be searched from end to end for contraband, and detained until proper 'inspections' can maintain that vessels flying the Kahta flag are up to the strictest safety code (in other words, all Kahta vessels in TIS waters and ports will be detained until the crisis is over). Arrangements will be made, in cases of 'prolonged inspections', to send the ship crews back to Kahta and their respective allies.

That is all, for now.


Any seizure of ships will be regarded as an act of war and will be treated as such. Its a shame that you and many other dogs support the murder or kidnapping of the Queen of Kahta.

King MacDonald

Shessaran Official Statement
From: Braedd Laeryn, Maelgad of Shessara


We remind Kahta that striking at Hallad will bring the wrath of the New Roman Empire down about his ears and that of their allies.

We also inform Kahta that they should take down their missiles and turn them into swords. Missiles are for weak girls who cannot fight their own battles.

Laeryn.

Swords are for idiots that like prolonged wars. Perhaps you should move past the 14th century and enter modern times.

King MacDonald

Response from the Office of the Executor:

Let it be known that if the state of Kahta attacks any of the aforementioned nations, Tyrandis will come down with the fury of a thousand suns, making the conquests of Automagfreek seem merciful in comparison.

This is not a threat; it is a promise.

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Executor Xavier Davidson
Executor of the Militant Empire of Tyrandis


Very well, I suppose that you too, are a supporter of the capture or killing of the queen of Kahta. Nuclear weapons can and will be used to defend the homeland, proivided you can break through the Victoria Wall, and the 10 miles of mines around my country.

King MacDonald

Frankly, there is no way in hell you can have 100,000 nuclear ICBMs, do you know how much in upkeep and whatnot it would cost to have that many?

I'd except a smaller number, but not that many...

IC:

The Republic is not swayed by the threat from the illegitimate government of Kahta. We had no intention of killing any of the Fabuses ourselves, especially not the children, (What do you think we are, capitalists?), but you might have just persuaded us to try.

We have enough nuclear weapons to completely level your country, not to mention just about every nation in Haven would proceed to also nuke you.

If you want a fight, you will have bitten off far more that you can chew...

Fyodor Leningrad Zyteslav
Sr. Commisar (HPA Ret.)
Prime Minister of the Soviet Socialist Republic


OOC: If you dont know how to RP then stay out. 100,000 is very possible. My population is 7 times that of the USA. During the cold war the USA had about 15,000 warheads *with* limitation treaties. 100,000 is within my reach.

IC: I fail to see why you are supporting the kidnap or killing of the Queen of Kahta. If every country in Haven hits me, I will hit them back.

King MacDonald

If the Queen of Kahta is guilty of the crimes of the rest of the Fabus family then we will NOT be withdrawing our intent to bring her to justice. If you, however, have managed to make her sane and moderate enough to be a member of humanity, then we will of course respectfully withdraw it.

We would also warn you that, small though we may be, we have amply enough bioweapons and delivery units for them to ensure that, even if we perish, you'll just arrive in hell after we do.

OOC: As to the nukes, depends how much fissile material you can get.

If the Queen of Kahta is guilty of the crimes of the rest of the Fabus family then we will NOT be withdrawing our intent to bring her to justice. If you, however, have managed to make her sane and moderate enough to be a member of humanity, then we will of course respectfully withdraw it.

We would also warn you that, small though we may be, we have amply enough bioweapons and delivery units for them to ensure that, even if we perish, you'll just arrive in hell after we do.

OOC: As to the nukes, depends how much fissile material you can get.

According to my intelligence department, as Fabuses go, she has a relatively clean record. I honestly can't find any crimes she committed before her marriage to King MacDonald.

-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri

What about after?

What about after?

Fairly obvious not after. Given that she's been exposed and lives in a free society, that her Fabus tendencies would be lost.

If the Queen of Kahta is guilty of the crimes of the rest of the Fabus family then we will NOT be withdrawing our intent to bring her to justice. If you, however, have managed to make her sane and moderate enough to be a member of humanity, then we will of course respectfully withdraw it.

We would also warn you that, small though we may be, we have amply enough bioweapons and delivery units for them to ensure that, even if we perish, you'll just arrive in hell after we do.

OOC: As to the nukes, depends how much fissile material you can get.


She has been made normal by me.

King MacDonald

According to my intelligence department, as Fabuses go, she has a relatively clean record. I honestly can't find any crimes she committed before her marriage to King MacDonald.

-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri


She never commited any crimes in Kahta. Before we got married I had the PP look over her record and she was clean of any war crimes, or anything related to Operation Purification.

King MacDonald

In that case, we can only accept your word, withdraw our bounty upon her, and apologise to Kahta and the King and Queen for offence and/or inconvenience caused.

Please withdraw the bounty on her.

King MacDonald

Nation of Kahta, threatening members of the United Socialist Republic with nuclear war is practically an act of war in itself! Your vessels will be detained, and you have been given fair warning to it.

She never commited any crimes in Kahta. Before we got married I had the PP look over her record and she was clean of any war crimes, or anything related to Operation Purification.

King MacDonald



Ooc- Victoria, Eleanor, and William had no knowledge of Operation Purification even going on. Curtis doesn't trust women with such important information, and William was 17 at the time and thought too young to be informed.

She never commited any crimes in Kahta. Before we got married I had the PP look over her record and she was clean of any war crimes, or anything related to Operation Purification.

King MacDonald


Ooc- The only thing Victoria did was work as the Minister of the People's Ministry of Justice, and assure that political enemies were soundly convicted and dealt with harshly. She also established that the Ministry Interrogation squads could use any methods to extract confessions if they deemed it necessary.

Ooc- Victoria's old job as the Minister of the People's Ministry of Justice, meant she was basically a female version of Roland Freisler. (google his name)

http://www.joric.com/Conspiracy/Freisler.htm

[Khata, there are several things wrong with your assertion.

1) 75% of the US' nuclear weapons were 25-100 kiloton tactical nukes mounted on cruise missiles and in freefall bombs, the large majority were not ICBM and SLBM warhead.

2) You simply can't keep 100,000 warheads of any kind in a war ready state for 300 years, it's physically impossible.

3) Which means you're going to have to replace those warheads on a continuing basis. Buying 100,000 new missiles (the boosters deteriorate much faster than the warheads) every few years would cost $8 Trillion and that's assuming you're using simple Minuteman and Triden D5 misssiles, not something more expensive.]

Ooc- This is FYI, basically my entire nuclear arsenal, but note that we have assorted nuclear bombs in storage. But this is basically the stuff we have ready to go should we need it.


Nuclear:

Bomber based:

32,600 ALCMS

8,000 B83 each



Total Nuclear Bombs: 40,600




Strategic Missiles:

22,500 LGM-30 Minuteman III (3 warheads each)

5,000 LGM-118A Peacekeeper (10 warheads each)


Total Nuclear Warheads: 117,500

Nation of Kahta, threatening members of the United Socialist Republic with nuclear war is practically an act of war in itself! Your vessels will be detained, and you have been given fair warning to it.

I am only threatening war because my wife is in danger. Read the whole thread you fucking idiot.

King MacDonald

OOC: The insults are IC only. MacDonald hates socialists

[Khata, there are several things wrong with your assertion.

1) 75% of the US' nuclear weapons were 25-100 kiloton tactical nukes mounted on cruise missiles and in freefall bombs, the large majority were not ICBM and SLBM warhead.

2) You simply can't keep 100,000 warheads of any kind in a war ready state for 300 years, it's physically impossible.

3) Which means you're going to have to replace those warheads on a continuing basis. Buying 100,000 new missiles (the boosters deteriorate much faster than the warheads) every few years would cost $8 Trillion and that's assuming you're using simple Minuteman and Triden D5 misssiles, not something more expensive.]

OOC: I can afford it. Some people just can't accept that for their OOC pacifist reasons.

OOC: I can afford it. Some people just can't accept that for their OOC pacifist reasons.

Defense isnt even one of your priorities, so I couldnt see any way you could spend more than 20% of your budget on it. Saying 20%, you would have a budget of about $8,486,357,040,000. With maintainance costs, and replacing all those missiles every once in awhile, that could reach upwards to 3 trillion dollars a year to keep your warheads, lanuch systems, etc etc. 3 trillion dollars alone.

With 5.5t left, the rest of your military must be in pretty bad shape, or small.

http://members.fortunecity.com/thra...n/html/gnp.html


My

Population: 531 million

Tax: Avg

Rate: 74%

Gov't: Corporate Police State

Economy: Frightening

Military Spending: 40%



6.1 trillion dollar defense budget (More than the old CM!)

Total 15.259 trillion budget (Better than the old CM!)




My custom budget, working on the 15.29 trillion model from the calculator where you enter in your stats and it tells you how much you have and what the military spending can be.





Administration: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Welfare: $230,870,000,000 (1.5%)

Health: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Education: $2,000,000,000,000 (13.08%)

Religion & Spirituality: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Defence: $6,100,000,000,000 (40%)

Law & Order: $3,000,000,000,000 (19.62%)

Commerce: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Public Transport: $0 (0%)

The Environment: $0 (0%)

Social Equality: $0 (0%)

http://members.fortunecity.com/thra...n/html/gnp.html


My

Population: 531 million

Tax: Avg

Rate: 74%

Gov't: Corporate Police State

Economy: Frightening

Military Spending: 40%



6.1 trillion dollar defense budget (More than the old CM!)

Total 15.259 trillion budget (Better than the old CM!)




My custom budget, working on the 15.29 trillion model from the calculator where you enter in your stats and it tells you how much you have and what the military spending can be.





Administration: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Welfare: $230,870,000,000 (1.5%)

Health: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Education: $2,000,000,000,000 (13.08%)

Religion & Spirituality: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Defence: $6,100,000,000,000 (40%)

Law & Order: $3,000,000,000,000 (19.62%)

Commerce: $1,000,000,000,000 (6.5%)

Public Transport: $0 (0%)

The Environment: $0 (0%)

Social Equality: $0 (0%)


Your point being?

Your point being?


You can easily spend 40% on the armed forces.

You can easily spend 40% on the armed forces.

I know. I spend 50.

My point is, on his front page, defense isnt one of his three priorities. Its pretty much not plausible to have a fourth or lower priority have more than 20% of the budget.

TO: The Nation of Kahta
FROM: The Desk of the General Secretary, UnAPS
SUBJECT: UnAPS stance to threats on members

The United Alliance of Progress States (UnAPS) has been alerted entirely to these threats against our members, and all of our members are ready to defend Hattia and Hallad!

Any attempt to use nuclear force on our members will result in a massive nuclear counterattack by UnAPS nuclear powers. The Haven SDI system has been activated, as are the independent systems of the various UnAPS countries.

You have been given fair warning to the consequences of making your threats into a reality.

Respectfully,

Ambassador Larry Putnam
General Secretary of the UnAPS
TIS Delegate to the UnAPS

I have read the Message and I understand it.

King MacDonald