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Admiral Willing The ships are moving into position now, Captain Wells of the TITAN Will Be Leading our small fleet.
Captain Wells: nice to meet you, Ok I'll give you a rundown we will fly in a formation at our Maximum sublight speed of .50C and we will engage the Warpdrives. The only difference is that all the Warp Drive will create a large bubble comming out from one side. We will sourrond you. As we the Bubble begins to from. You will be "snagged" by it. Please Brace yourself. If you are on a ship with warp drive you won't feel a thing. But Because you will be snagged please brace for turbulance. As we reach Warp 5 It will begin to smoothen out for you. Today are cursing speed will be Warp 9.993. The Maximum Speed for Warp Drive. We really don;t want to open a transwarp tunnel as it would probably collpase on you! So here we go!
* The Small Fleet Running at Maximum Impluse Engages Warp Drive Near The Xessmithia ship. As The Warp Bubbles expand off to one side of each ship. The Xessmithia ship seems to "strech" as they go into warp one. After 10 Minutes they were up to Warp 3. After 40 Minutes they were finally at warp 9.993.*
Captian Wells: I am so sorry we took so long to make the turbulance go away. I hope your not banged up to bad. We should reach your "JumpGate" as you call it in about 2 days.

After a short 2 days of travel the starlines visible out of the viewscreen coalesced into stars as the fleet the Allosaurus was with dropped out of warp. "One hundred lightyears in two days, quite impressive Captain Wells. It's no match for a TCG gate but much better than our tachyon drives."

He looked back out the viewscreen. "In fact there's our TCG gate to Xess now." Aster said pointing to a structure in the distance.
http://archive.gamespy.com/asp/image.asp?/legacy/reviews/tachyon/openb.jpg

"Our home defense fleet should be waiting for us when we arrive. Just fly your ships to within 2 kilometers of the gate and it will do the rest sending us into a tachyon hypertunnel which will bring us to Xess in a mere 108 seconds. Much better than the 14 hours it would take you to warp us the 30 lightyears there at the speed you took us here."

Captain Wells: Alright But how do I know that thing is not going to interfere with my ships systems? We will head in now. Helm Take us In.
Helm: Aye
Captain Wells: You have never seen transwarp2 in action have you?

Captain Wells: Alright But how do I know that thing is not going to interfere with my ships systems? We will head in now. Helm Take us In.
Helm: Aye
Captain Wells: You have never seen transwarp2 in action have you?

"It's perfectly safe. It won't interfere with ship systems anymore than a a microwave oven would. And I don't know if I've seen transwarp in action. All I know is that TCG gates send us at a thousand lightyears per hour which translates into eight point eight million times the speed of light. And that's pretty damn fast."

Captain Wells: Tranwarp(2) could get us there in LESS than 108 seconds. But we'll take the gate anyway. And the Flagships Fold Drive could have had us there in 5 Seconds. But I really dont want to meet your fleet without you.
So we are going in. Lets hope my ships don't screw up. Helm Full Impulse (.80C) And take us into that thing!
Helm: Aye
* The Small ECF Fleet The Following Ships. ( OOC: This is all uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber ST tech) I will only reqest to send one of each type of ship listed hear.
The TITAN- The turning point the ECF Fleet. Development of the 1st 3gigaton phasers on this vessel makes it our best avhiment.
http://s4.invisionfree.com/USF_Comm...post&id=1326423
The AKRIA- Our BattleCuirers of choice.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Aki_main.jpg
The Defiant- The small fast attack craft
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Def_main.jpg
Soverign Class- The mighty Soverign Class is the 3rd most powerful type of ship in out fleet.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Sov_main.jpg
Prometheus Class- The Most 'creative' ship in the Fleet.
Prometheus Class- http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Pro_main.jpg
Intrepid Class-By the far the fastest and most manurvble ship of it's size.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Int_main.jpgmoves into
moved into the gate and all hell broke lose, Computers flicked replicators around the ship startred making random things but it was all over as fast as it started*
Captain Wells: Wow

Captain Wells: Tranwarp(2) could get us there in LESS than 108 seconds. But we'll take the gate anyway. And the Flagships Fold Drive could have had us there in 5 Seconds. But I really dont want to meet your fleet without you.
So we are going in. Lets hope my ships don't screw up. Helm Full Impulse (.80C) And take us into that thing!
Helm: Aye
* The Small ECF Fleet The Following Ships. ( OOC: This is all uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber uber ST tech) I will only reqest to send one of each type of ship listed hear.
The TITAN- The turning point the ECF Fleet. Development of the 1st 3gigaton phasers on this vessel makes it our best avhiment.
http://s4.invisionfree.com/USF_Comm...post&id=1326423
The AKRIA- Our BattleCuirers of choice.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Aki_main.jpg
The Defiant- The small fast attack craft
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Def_main.jpg
Soverign Class- The mighty Soverign Class is the 3rd most powerful type of ship in out fleet.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Sov_main.jpg
Prometheus Class- The Most 'creative' ship in the Fleet.
Prometheus Class- http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Pro_main.jpg
Intrepid Class-By the far the fastest and most manurvble ship of it's size.
http://www.st-intelligence.com/ship...es/Int_main.jpgmoves into
moved into the gate and all hell broke lose, Computers flicked replicators around the ship startred making random things but it was all over as fast as it started*
Captain Wells: Wow


"Well the speed of the TCG gate is directly proportional to the energy supplied to it. And we can only get so much from our Solar Arrays. And 1 of all your ship classes should be fine." Aster said. "And who knew that your ships could be so messed up by the equivalent of a microwave." Aster added jokingly.

Captain Wells: I should have taken Transwarp. Faster,
Should we set orbit?

Captain Wells: I should have taken Transwarp. Faster,
Should we set orbit?

Aster rolled his eyes, "You can spare just under 2 minutes of time to take the TCG gate. Besides Xess is a rather strange area of space. If you didn't take the gate you probably would have been flung out into the middle of nowhere or killed or turned inside out or something. Although the last one I jus added for effect of course. And yes, set up in a high orbit. The Prime Minister will be up to greet you soon."

Captain Wells: Well our flagship could have "folded" through it. But that overley expensive to install on more than a few ships. Helm Set Orbit
Helm:Aye
Captain Wells: Now could we inrest you in Warp Drive? It is much better than your tachyon drive. And is quite cheap. You could also be interested it Transwap.
Anyway what can we expect from your Prime Minister? And I'll make sure that your command staff doesn't find out that we dragged you back here. Because that would be quite embarrasing!

Captain Wells: Well our flagship could have "folded" through it. But that overley expensive to install on more than a few ships. Helm Set Orbit
Helm:Aye
Captain Wells: Now could we inrest you in Warp Drive? It is much better than your tachyon drive. And is quite cheap. You could also be interested it Transwap.
Anyway what can we expect from your Prime Minister? And I'll make sure that your command staff doesn't find out that we dragged you back here. Because that would be quite embarrasing!

"The PM is a good guy. He'll be here in a few minutes. He'll want to discuss trade and alliances and research partnerships and such. And thanks for keeping it from command, that would indeed be embarrasing." Aster said, "The PM and some of the other ministers will talk to you about warp and transwarp and such."

Captain Wells: Well the 1st thing I think he would want to discuss is warpdrive. I could explain it futher for your PM if he would like that.

Prime Minister Harold Juxton looked out from the shuttle he was on towards the visiting ECF fleet. "Quite slick looking aren't they Quinn."

The man next to him nodded, "Yes they are sir. I hope to have a nice chat with them about their technology."

"As do I Quinn, as do I." Harold motioned to the pilot of the shuttle, "Get permission to dock. We don't want to keep our guests waiting."

Captain Wells: Premission Granted dock on 2nd Shuttle bay near torpedo bay 3. The Marines will escort you to Conferance room 3A on the Bridge Deck. Our Chief Engineer will answer any ?'s you may have about the following, Weapons, Warp Drive,Sheilding,Phase Sheilding,Transphasic and Q torpedos,Transwarp Drive, Isoliner Chips.

Captain Wells: Premission Granted dock on 2nd Shuttle bay near torpedo bay 3. The Marines will escort you to Conferance room 3A on the Bridge Deck. Our Chief Engineer will answer any ?'s you may have about the following, Weapons, Warp Drive,Sheilding,Phase Sheilding,Transphasic and Q torpedos,Transwarp Drive, Isoliner Chips.

"Pilot you heard the Captain. Take us in." Harold said. A few moments later the shuttle was secure in the well lit bay.

"They must have used some kind grapple beam of some sort to put is in there," The pilot said. "That landing was way too smooth for even a pilot of my own skills."

"Hmm, I'll ask about that," Quinn, the Minister of Science and Research said.

A formation of soldiers arrived. "You must be the marines. Please escort us to the conference room." Harold said, the marines took up escort positions and led the group for a 5 minute walk through varius elevator like booths to the desired room.

There were 2 men waiting for them. "You must be Captain Wells and his Chief Engineer. Pleased to meet you both. So tell us about this transwarp drive you keep boasting about."

OOC: This is my last post for tonight, so ask away in your next post.
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Transwarp drive is an experimental technology for increasing the efficiency and speed of starship propulsion systems. Many methods have been used to occupy transwarp speeds in the Federation, yet many have been failures. Most theories for accessing transwarp technology include using a transwarp conduit, or artificially created subspace tunnel, in which normal subspace limitations do not apply. Others have tried to use the theroy that transwarp acts like a containment feild much like transporters have confinment beams. This theory would support the idea that transwarp speeds would allow you to occupy all points of the universe.
Engineer; thats some history for you.
I'll put it simple for you. We can reach nearly 12 Million times the speed of light with this drive system. warp Dirve can go even faster. But our systems max out at about Warp 9.993.
Netx ?. Would you be interested in Warp or Transwarp? But prehaps you want ot know more about warp drive?

Warp Drive Uses 2 Nacells on the side of the ships or behind it mounted on plyons. The Matter-Anti Matter Reactor prodcues plasma. Which is transfered to the necells. Which convert it into a "pluse" which beats Millions of times a second. The Faster it beats the faster you go. However above warp 9,993 Power usage becomes almost infinate. To this day no one has EVER "maxed out" Warp Drive Because of this problem

OOC: This is my last post for tonight, so ask away in your next post.
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Transwarp drive is an experimental technology for increasing the efficiency and speed of starship propulsion systems. Many methods have been used to occupy transwarp speeds in the Federation, yet many have been failures. Most theories for accessing transwarp technology include using a transwarp conduit, or artificially created subspace tunnel, in which normal subspace limitations do not apply. Others have tried to use the theroy that transwarp acts like a containment feild much like transporters have confinment beams. This theory would support the idea that transwarp speeds would allow you to occupy all points of the universe.
Engineer; thats some history for you.
I'll put it simple for you. We can reach nearly 12 Million times the speed of light with this drive system. warp Dirve can go even faster. But our systems max out at about Warp 9.993.
Netx ?. Would you be interested in Warp or Transwarp? But prehaps you want ot know more about warp drive?

Warp Drive Uses 2 Nacells on the side of the ships or behind it mounted on plyons. The Matter-Anti Matter Reactor prodcues plasma. Which is transfered to the necells. Which convert it into a "pluse" which beats Millions of times a second. The Faster it beats the faster you go. However above warp 9,993 Power usage becomes almost infinate. To this day no one has EVER "maxed out" Warp Drive Because of this problem

Quinn spoke up, "Now which one can go 12 million c. Is it warp or transwarp. It seems to me that transwarp would be much faster but I'm still confused in regards to which is which."

Transwarp would be about 12 Million Times faster than Light but it not useful for tactical situations. Jumps and formation of tunnles can take up to 34 seconds.
But once inside the tunnle you use little power to stay in it.
Warp Drive is an incredbly complex antimatter-matter system that has more pentiol than any other system in extenice. it can even be faster than Transwarp.

ECF Warp Drive Speeds.
Speed Description
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Standard orbit 9600 km/h (SUBLIGHT)
Full impulse 0.25c (SUBLIGHT)
Warp factor 1 1c
Warp factor 2 10c
Warp factor 3 39c
Warp factor 4 102c
Warp factor 5 214c
Warp factor 6 352c
Warp factor 7 656c
Warp factor 8 1024c
Warp factor 9 1516c
Warp factor 9.2 1649c
Warp factor 9.6 1909c
Warp factor 9.9 3052c
Warp factor 9.99 7902c
Warp factor 9.9999 199516c
Warp factor 10 infinite

Transwarp would be about 12 Million Times faster than Light but it not useful for tactical situations. Jumps and formation of tunnles can take up to 34 seconds. The Maximum Speed is 12 Million C useing the ECF System. However you are not acutallly "moving" that fast to put it in laymans terms.
For you "it's the big shiney one that goes 12million C) And The Flagship has fold drive which I am not allowed to discuss.

Warp Drive is an incredbly complex antimatter-matter System. Using the so called "warpcore" it was invented in 2100 by a team of ECF engineers. You can engage it any time anywhere. But Be for warned. A Badly maintianted Warp Drive is a DEADLY one.

ECF Warp Drive Speeds.
Speed Description
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Standard orbit 9600 km/h (SUBLIGHT)
Full impulse 0.25c (SUBLIGHT)
Warp factor 1 1c
Warp factor 2 10c
Warp factor 3 39c
Warp factor 4 102c
Warp factor 5 214c
Warp factor 6 352c
Warp factor 7 656c
Warp factor 8 1024c
Warp factor 9 1516c
Warp factor 9.2 1649c
Warp factor 9.6 1909c
Warp factor 9.9 3052c
Warp factor 9.99 7902c
Warp factor 9.9999 199516c
Warp factor 10 infinite

Transwarp would be about 12 Million Times faster than Light but it not useful for tactical situations. Jumps and formation of tunnles can take up to 34 seconds.
But once inside the tunnle you use little power to stay in it.
Warp Drive is an incredbly complex antimatter-matter system that has more pentiol than any other system in extenice. it can even be faster than Transwarp.

ECF Warp Drive Speeds.
Speed Description
----- -----------
Standard orbit 9600 km/h (SUBLIGHT)
Full impulse 0.25c (SUBLIGHT)
Warp factor 1 1c
Warp factor 2 10c
Warp factor 3 39c
Warp factor 4 102c
Warp factor 5 214c
Warp factor 6 352c
Warp factor 7 656c
Warp factor 8 1024c
Warp factor 9 1516c
Warp factor 9.2 1649c
Warp factor 9.6 1909c
Warp factor 9.9 3052c
Warp factor 9.99 7902c
Warp factor 9.9999 199516c
Warp factor 10 infinite


OOC: You have a douple post there.

Quinn looked at the specs the engineer had given him. "I'm impressed, I don't mind telling you this but right now our ships are limited to 913 times c." He glanced at the specs again, "Which is about Warp 7.5 or something. However we've recently made some discoveries which incorporated with some recent research would vastly improve out performance in FTL. But that's classified so can't tell you more. But in the mean time we're definately interested in taking a closer look at this warp drive of yours."

Harold was listening to the conversation intently when his PDA beeped. He checked the message. "Oh my," He said.
"It seems we're under attack. Any help that your task force could give us Captain Wells would be greatly appreciated."

OOC2: Check out my Construction of Space Station Thread.

Captian Wells: Well It looks like your about to get a 1st hand look at our technology! Helm Set crouse for that station, Warp 9!

Captian Wells: Well It looks like your about to get a 1st hand look at our technology! Helm Set crouse for that station, Warp 9!

"We thank you for your assistance. From what High Command has been telling me this is a very strange battle, the enemy doesn't seem to be doing much." Harold chuckled, "Which is a good thing in retrospect.

"Anyway, since we're going to be seeing these weapons in action why don't you tell me about them?"

Captain Wells: Yes oh crap
Helm: We are dropping to impluse! Some Sort Of Anomly we should be back up to warp 9 in 15 mintues once we clear it.
( thanks ST Intel)
Captain Wells: Well Howabout the phaser
Phasers, Phased Energy Rectification, are the standard sub light speed weapon used by most space faring races, most notably the United Federation of Planets. Phasers came into wide spread service during the 2200's, with most Star Fleet ships being equipped with them by the 2250's. These first phasers replaces EM weapons, such as lasers, and particle beam accelerators. Phasers are related to the other widely used beam weapon, disrupters. Phasers are more efficient versions of disrupters, used mainly by the Klingon and Romulan empires, phasers require less energy to produce the same effect as disrupters allowing smaller or higher output weapons to be created

The energy released by phasers is from the rapid nadion effect (RNE), rapid nadions are subatomic particles that interact with certain types of superconducting crystals call fushigi-no-umi. The rapid nadions interact with the crystal by freeing the strong atomic force from the nuclei of the crystals' atoms, producing the power output of the phaser.

Captain Wells: Yes oh crap
Helm: We are dropping to impluse! Some Sort Of Anomly we should be back up to warp 9 in 15 mintues once we clear it.
( thanks ST Intel)
Captain Wells: Well Howabout the phaser
Phasers, Phased Energy Rectification, are the standard sub light speed weapon used by most space faring races, most notably the United Federation of Planets. Phasers came into wide spread service during the 2200's, with most Star Fleet ships being equipped with them by the 2250's. These first phasers replaces EM weapons, such as lasers, and particle beam accelerators. Phasers are related to the other widely used beam weapon, disrupters. Phasers are more efficient versions of disrupters, used mainly by the Klingon and Romulan empires, phasers require less energy to produce the same effect as disrupters allowing smaller or higher output weapons to be created

The energy released by phasers is from the rapid nadion effect (RNE), rapid nadions are subatomic particles that interact with certain types of superconducting crystals call fushigi-no-umi. The rapid nadions interact with the crystal by freeing the strong atomic force from the nuclei of the crystals' atoms, producing the power output of the phaser.

"Yes the No-Fly-Zone is a pain isn't it. It's why we built the gate network in the first place. We were lucky to find the Aquila system, the one you gated from to get here, just outside of it." Harold said.

Quinn spoke up, "I don't see how a phaser would be any better than one of our LinAc particle weapons. They're a lot more complicated than just using a NPA to throw a few kilograms of matter around. And they don't depend on specific crystals to work. Just your standard NPA superconducting generator. And most space-faring civilizations know of at least one high-temperature superconductor."

OOC: Bump for ECF to respond.

Harold was sitting patiently, "Are you alright Captain. You've been quiet for quite some time now."

OOC: Ultra Busy, post ICly tomarrow

OOC: Ultra Busy, post ICly tomarrow
ok

"Yes the No-Fly-Zone is a pain isn't it. It's why we built the gate network in the first place. We were lucky to find the Aquila system, the one you gated from to get here, just outside of it." Harold said.

Quinn spoke up, "I don't see how a phaser would be any better than one of our LinAc particle weapons. They're a lot more complicated than just using a NPA to throw a few kilograms of matter around. And they don't depend on specific crystals to work. Just your standard NPA superconducting generator. And most space-faring civilizations know of at least one high-temperature superconductor."
Captain Wells: The main reason phasers are used is what was listed above, they are much more efficient and are far more effective agnist energy sheilds. And you can remodulate them to any frequency. Which means that if you come across a phased enemy. If you can lock onto the frequency at which they are phased at which makes the phase sheilding useless. The same can also be done with 'regular' sheilding. However those 2 tricks only work when you can lock onto the frequency at which they the sheilds are running. Our computers can modulate the frequency of the beam very quicly and we keep rotaing it throughout battle. If your facing a decent sized enemy you will evnutally lock onto the frequency at which the sheilds are running at. Making them useless. This has proved very useful in one on one battles. Of crouse most enemys out there will sucumbe to a 12,000,000 Terajoule phaser. There are not that many peoples out there that can stand up to it.
Besides the your LinAC weapons would be quite useless agnist The Shivans and BORG, But the BORG happen to be our close allys so you don't have to worry about them. Phasers can also be pushed to greater levels.
And THAT is why phasers are better.

Captain Wells: The main reason phasers are used is what was listed above, they are much more efficient and are far more effective agnist energy sheilds. And you can remodulate them to any frequency. Which means that if you come across a phased enemy. If you can lock onto the frequency at which they are phased at which makes the phase sheilding useless. The same can also be done with 'regular' sheilding. However those 2 tricks only work when you can lock onto the frequency at which they the sheilds are running. Our computers can modulate the frequency of the beam very quicly and we keep rotaing it throughout battle. If your facing a decent sized enemy you will evnutally lock onto the frequency at which the sheilds are running at. Making them useless. This has proved very useful in one on one battles. Of crouse most enemys out there will sucumbe to a 12,000,000 Terajoule phaser. There are not that many peoples out there that can stand up to it.
Besides the your LinAC weapons would be quite useless agnist The Shivans and BORG, But the BORG happen to be our close allys so you don't have to worry about them. Phasers can also be pushed to greater levels.
And THAT is why phasers are better.

Quinn thought about that for a moment. "Why would you have shields that modulate their frequency anyway, that makes them vulnerable to the exact kind of attack you described. In which case phasers would be handy, but a LinAc shot with 3 gigatons of energy behind it like our Class 10 would be just as destructive as your 3 gigaton phaser. Brute force works just as well as fancy modulations and all that stuff. And I've heard a bit about the BORG and the Shivans. As far as I can tell you can blow the hell out of both of them with enough brute strength."

Quinn thought about that for a moment. "Why would you have shields that modulate their frequency anyway, that makes them vulnerable to the exact kind of attack you described. In which case phasers would be handy, but a LinAc shot with 3 gigatons of energy behind it like our Class 10 would be just as destructive as your 3 gigaton phaser. Brute force works just as well as fancy modulations and all that stuff. And I've heard a bit about the BORG and the Shivans. As far as I can tell you can blow the hell out of both of them with enough brute strength."
Admiral Willing: Phasers may or may not work agnist the shivans. But no way in hell is brute force going to take down the borg. They have the ability to adapt to anything but Gravitnol Weapons. They make energy weapons also useless. your partical weapons would do little or probably no damage. You would not last 5 seconds agnist the Borg. Phasers can be modulated constaly to defeat them. Disrroupters and LinAC weapons cannot be. And all sheilds run at different frequancys you can't stop that. Phasers are simply a more versitle weapon. But that comes at a price. Phasers are over 3 times more expensive than LinAC weapons.

Admiral Willing: Phasers may or may not work agnist the shivans. But no way in hell is brute force going to take down the borg. They have the ability to adapt to anything but Gravitnol Weapons. They make energy weapons also useless. your partical weapons would do little or probably no damage. You would not last 5 seconds agnist the Borg. Phasers can be modulated constaly to defeat them. Disrroupters and LinAC weapons cannot be. And all sheilds run at different frequancys you can't stop that. Phasers are simply a more versitle weapon. But that comes at a price. Phasers are over 3 times more expensive than LinAC weapons.


Quinn snorted. "Brute force won't take down the Borg, please. So they can "addapt" to a specific weapon, what does that mean? It means they can increase the effectivness of their shields against a specific weapon. It doesn't make them invincible, just a bit harder to kill. And as I say, a 3 gigaton blast is going to a hell of a lot of damage no matter wat fancy crap you have protecting it. And I still don't understand why make a shield to run on any frequency at all. It makes them weak, ever wondered why you're ships take damage before the shield fails, it's because energy gets through it when it's frequency turns it off. Your shields turn on and off however many times per second, that makes them much less effective. Our NPA shields don't have a frequency, they're just on, we open holes in the shield to fire through, then close the hole. That gets rid of two problems facing grequency based shields, an enemy finding it and effectively nullifying your shields, and that your shield permits your ship to take damage before they collapse. I don't see the advantage."

Quinn snorted. "Brute force won't take down the Borg, please. So they can "addapt" to a specific weapon, what does that mean? It means they can increase the effectivness of their shields against a specific weapon. It doesn't make them invincible, just a bit harder to kill. And as I say, a 3 gigaton blast is going to a hell of a lot of damage no matter wat fancy crap you have protecting it. And I still don't understand why make a shield to run on any frequency at all. It makes them weak, ever wondered why you're ships take damage before the shield fails, it's because energy gets through it when it's frequency turns it off. Your shields turn on and off however many times per second, that makes them much less effective. Our NPA shields don't have a frequency, they're just on, we open holes in the shield to fire through, then close the hole. That gets rid of two problems facing grequency based shields, an enemy finding it and effectively nullifying your shields, and that your shield permits your ship to take damage before they collapse. I don't see the advantage."
* people start on the ECF crew start falling down laughing*
Admiral Willing: HA! Thanks for the laugh. Borg can adapt to nearly anything. When I mean adapt I mean they will make that weapon USELESS. As in not effective as in nothing happens. Don't ask me how they do it but they can. Your weapons will be useless after about 2 shots. And there tractor beams will lock onto you and start draining your sheilds and after thats done they will start asismilating(SP) your crew then they will cut your ship apart with an unknown weapons known as a cutting beam. And if you can do some damage there ships have no centeral power source and they have the ability to regenerate. And weather you are aware of it or not. Your sheilds are running at a distect frequency. And we could probably lock onto with time. I'll tell you that about 3 months ago the sheilding systems on this vessel were running at 405.83 mhz. But it changes everyday and about 3 times during battle. I don't know about you but our weapons can fire through our sheilds without lowering any part of them. Besides our sheilds can change frequency at 568,000 times per 30 seconds.

* people start on the ECF crew start falling down laughing*
Admiral Willing: HA! Thanks for the laugh. Borg can adapt to nearly anything. When I mean adapt I mean they will make that weapon USELESS. As in not effective as in nothing happens. Don't ask me how they do it but they can. Your weapons will be useless after about 2 shots. And there tractor beams will lock onto you and start draining your sheilds and after thats done they will start asismilating(SP) your crew then they will cut your ship apart with an unknown weapons known as a cutting beam. And if you can do some damage there ships have no centeral power source and they have the ability to regenerate. And weather you are aware of it or not. Your sheilds are running at a distect frequency. And we could probably lock onto with time. I'll tell you that about 3 months ago the sheilding systems on this vessel were running at 405.83 mhz. But it changes everyday and about 3 times during battle. I don't know about you but our weapons can fire through our sheilds without lowering any part of them. Besides our sheilds can change frequency at 568,000 times per 30 seconds.


Quinn moves to respond but Harold beat him to it, "While you two were discussing I took the liberty of looking through your records. It seems that in the past you have had numerous hostile encounters with the borg. Obviously you've worked out your differences since then. However there have been numerous instances of a borg vessel being destroyed by overwheling force, tha battle of First Contact in which a cube was destroyed by concentrated fire by several starships, no orders to change frequency were given, and the sphere was destroyed by one salvo of something called quantum torpedoes. Apparently Species 8472 could destroy a borg cube with one or two shots, the borg never did addapt on their own. So it's fairly obvious that the borg can be destroyed by sheer overwhelming brute force. You must keep saying that they can't for propaganda reasons, it'd be fairly easy to justify military buildup if your population is scared of invincible, ships that only take damage from hugely expensive exotic weapons is on the verge of invading. But that's just my hypthesis." Harold turned to Quinn, "You were saying."

"Well the Prime Minister summed it up pretty well. Nothing is invincible, and nothing can render overwhelming firepower useless. And our shields DON'T have a frequency, it's not how the bloddy system works. They act like a solid wall that stops everything except photons and free protons, that's why we still have reflective armor, to stop lasers and such. We can open a small hole, for a spilt second, to let us fire through. If the enemy is lucky, one of his shots will have the right vector and timing to go through it, but that's an exremely unlikely event. Your shields actually turn OFF for an instant hundreds of times per second, it's how anything with a frequency works, it's a sine wave. That means energy WILL make it through your shields, and you're hull will take damage, BEFORE your shields collapse. How is that an advantage?" Quinn finished, and leaned back in his chair, waiting for the inevitable attack that somehow these people know more about our shields than their own designers.

Quinn moves to respond but Harold beat him to it, "While you two were discussing I took the liberty of looking through your records. It seems that in the past you have had numerous hostile encounters with the borg. Obviously you've worked out your differences since then. However there have been numerous instances of a borg vessel being destroyed by overwheling force, tha battle of First Contact in which a cube was destroyed by concentrated fire by several starships, no orders to change frequency were given, and the sphere was destroyed by one salvo of something called quantum torpedoes. Apparently Species 8472 could destroy a borg cube with one or two shots, the borg never did addapt on their own. So it's fairly obvious that the borg can be destroyed by sheer overwhelming brute force. You must keep saying that they can't for propaganda reasons, it'd be fairly easy to justify military buildup if your population is scared of invincible, ships that only take damage from hugely expensive exotic weapons is on the verge of invading. But that's just my hypthesis." Harold turned to Quinn, "You were saying."

"Well the Prime Minister summed it up pretty well. Nothing is invincible, and nothing can render overwhelming firepower useless. And our shields DON'T have a frequency, it's not how the bloddy system works. They act like a solid wall that stops everything except photons and free protons, that's why we still have reflective armor, to stop lasers and such. We can open a small hole, for a spilt second, to let us fire through. If the enemy is lucky, one of his shots will have the right vector and timing to go through it, but that's an exremely unlikely event. Your shields actually turn OFF for an instant hundreds of times per second, it's how anything with a frequency works, it's a sine wave. That means energy WILL make it through your shields, and you're hull will take damage, BEFORE your shields collapse. How is that an advantage?" Quinn finished, and leaned back in his chair, waiting for the inevitable attack that somehow these people know more about our shields than their own designers.

OOC: Actually when the ENT-E engaged the cube they had to remodulate the sheilds and phasers, because if you read some tech manuels you would know that is the only way to defeat borg, they did in VOY as well. So in 1st contact you would just assume that they did it as well.
And as in ST my sheilds don't turn on and off, they are capable of staying on while changing frequency.
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Admiral Willing: When we engaged the borg all ships rotated sheild and phaser reqencys constaly. Because they changed frequency constatly we were able to defeat them. And Keep in mind that was 40-1 and we lost 14 ships. And when you say brute force that is somthing you guys lack. From what we can tell. Do your weapons go up to 12,000,000TJ? And how would you plan to stop there sheild draining beams? Which can drain almost any sheilds expect for Temporal and SS sheilds.
Opening a hole is a very bad idea. Our sheilding is better then you might think. If we want to change the frequency very quickly then the sheild will flash off for 1/400 of a second. However if we do it slower the sheilds can stay on when we are roating frequency.

OOC: Actually when the ENT-E engaged the cube they had to remodulate the sheilds and phasers, because if you read some tech manuels you would know that is the only way to defeat borg, they did in VOY as well. So in 1st contact you would just assume that they did it as well.
And as in ST my sheilds don't turn on and off, they are capable of staying on while changing frequency.
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Admiral Willing: When we engaged the borg all ships rotated sheild and phaser reqencys constaly. Because they changed frequency constatly we were able to defeat them. And Keep in mind that was 40-1 and we lost 14 ships. And when you say brute force that is somthing you guys lack. From what we can tell. Do your weapons go up to 12,000,000TJ? And how would you plan to stop there sheild draining beams? Which can drain almost any sheilds expect for Temporal and SS sheilds.
Opening a hole is a very bad idea. Our sheilding is better then you might think. If we want to change the frequency very quickly then the sheild will flash off for 1/400 of a second. However if we do it slower the sheilds can stay on when we are roating frequency.

OOC: Look say whatever you want but there has never been a single instance I can remember in which anyone ordered a change in phaser frequency or modulation or whatever to fight the borg with starship weapons, only hand weapons. And the TM come after the series and movies in cannon, so Borg sheilds obviously don't work on the same principle as their personal shields, which apparently are only energy shields as they repeatedly fail to stop physical attacks.

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Quinn snorted again, "So you rotate your shield frequency, so what. I didn't say that you're shields turn off when you change frequency, I said they turn on and off because they HAVE a frequency." Quin started in a tone he would use when talking to a class of high school students, "You see frequency is how fast something oscilates, or the inverse of a wave's period. It means that for something to have a frequency it has to oscilate or be based on sine wave. Sine waves have both positive and negative sections, to do so it must cross zero. At zero the effects of the wave are null. Since your shields oscilate, they must cross zero as wellm and whenever they do, they turn off and have NO effect. This means I can shoot through your shields and damage your hull directly with a continuous fire LinAc or laser or whatever you get the picture. Most of the laser's energy will go into taking down the shields, but some percentage of it will pass unheeded to your hull. Now our shields don't stop lasers, that's why we have armor, but they're constantly on. And you seem to fail to understand how small and short lasting the holes we open are, we're taking nanoseconds here. The odds of anyone getting a shot through that are so small they can be considered zero." Quinn reached into his briefcase and pulled out a datacard, "On their is our encyclopedia of technology. We do in fact of the capability for overwhelming firepower. Our class 10 LinAc cannons are rated for up to 15,000,000 terajoules, although they are planet based at the moment. Our Preserver Mk2 missiles impact with gigatons of kinetic energy and the Mk1s with hundreds of megatons. And our new Ragnorok missiles have no yeild less than one gigaton. In fact the lowest yeild Ragnorok we have is 10 gigatons. I think that qualifies for overwhelming firepower."


OOC2: Said encyclopedia

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354735

OOC: Do you have to make me technobable everything! I'm not that bored..............yet I will be in about 20 minutes though :D And remeber the 1st TNG Ep where the Borg came in. The order was clearly given more than once.

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Admiral Willing: You do realize that the amount of energy getting through would cause little or no damage to the hull. And unless my sheilds were "refearshing(SP)" at about 40mhz which they are not you would hardly be able to get very much through the sheilds they can be run up to 90ghz if the need be. And also keep in mind that because your weapons are not capable of changing there frequency, When we activate phase sheilding your weapons would do exactly one thing which is , jack shit.
Admiral Willing: Ragnorok eh? Nice name. Whats the Highest you have?
Speaking of Powerful weapons. The TITAN Refit2 ships have phasers going up to 17,000,000 TJ.This ship is due to recevice the refit quite soon. And the Flagship of the ECF Fleet has over 1500 16,000,000 Terajoule Turrets and strips mounted on it. Plus the one and only "uber" weapon found in the ECF. The Phaser "shotgun" as people at the lab dup. It is capable of pumping out 120 Gigatons of energy in one "shot" though it requires a long cool down period of 40 seconds. Hows that for raw power?
Your people seem to be bent on overwhelming firepower. Prehaps your a violent people. I mean developing ultra powerful weapons BEFORE getting a decent form of FTL Travel.

OOC: Do you have to make me technobable everything! I'm not that bored..............yet I will be in about 20 minutes though :D And remeber the 1st TNG Ep where the Borg came in. The order was clearly given more than once.

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Admiral Willing: You do realize that the amount of energy getting through would cause little or no damage to the hull. And unless my sheilds were "refearshing(SP)" at about 40mhz which they are not you would hardly be able to get very much through the sheilds they can be run up to 90ghz if the need be. And also keep in mind that because your weapons are not capable of changing there frequency, When we activate phase sheilding your weapons would do exactly one thing which is , jack shit.
Admiral Willing: Ragnorok eh? Nice name. Whats the Highest you have?
Speaking of Powerful weapons. The TITAN Refit2 ships have phasers going up to 17,000,000 TJ.This ship is due to recevice the refit quite soon. And the Flagship of the ECF Fleet has over 1500 16,000,000 Terajoule Turrets and strips mounted on it. Plus the one and only "uber" weapon found in the ECF. The Phaser "shotgun" as people at the lab dup. It is capable of pumping out 120 Gigatons of energy in one "shot" though it requires a long cool down period of 40 seconds. Hows that for raw power?
Your people seem to be bent on overwhelming firepower. Prehaps your a violent people. I mean developing ultra powerful weapons BEFORE getting a decent form of FTL Travel.


Quinn responded calmly, "I know not much would get through, but even one hundreth of 1 percent of a gigaton is still 10 kilotons of energy. And that's enough to put a fair sized dent in your ship. And our current highest yield is 103 gigatons for a Ragnorok, although that's only because that's the highest we can go before the cost per missile starts getting impractical. And that is indeed impressive firepower. And we prefer to not fight if given the choice, but we also see no need in holding our punches if we have to throw them. And despite your claims we have a decent mode of FTL, our gate network lets get anywhere in our controlled teritory very quickly. Just because we haven't gotten a super fast ship based system doesn't mean we're bad at it." Quinn smiles and leaned back further. He sat up again quickly, "Oh before I forget, what the heck is a 'Phase shield'?"

Quinn responded calmly, "I know not much would get through, but even one hundreth of 1 percent of a gigaton is still 10 kilotons of energy. And that's enough to put a fair sized dent in your ship. And our current highest yield is 103 gigatons for a Ragnorok, although that's only because that's the highest we can go before the cost per missile starts getting impractical. And that is indeed impressive firepower. And we prefer to not fight if given the choice, but we also see no need in holding our punches if we have to throw them. And despite your claims we have a decent mode of FTL, our gate network lets get anywhere in our controlled teritory very quickly. Just because we haven't gotten a super fast ship based system doesn't mean we're bad at it." Quinn smiles and leaned back further. He sat up again quickly, "Oh before I forget, what the heck is a 'Phase shield'?"
Admiral Willing: Well thank you for that vaulble infomation. I will have the sheilds rasied to 7ghz at once. At that kind of levels there only about 1/300 can get through. And with our armor you might scatch the paint :D
Admiral Willing: Would you be interested in warpdrive? Ahh Phase sheilds. The wonders! I'll put it simple and short. ( some other nations may to this differently but this is how my system works ) It phases the ship in between 2 demsinons(SP) so it's not quite in each one. Making unmodulated partical weapons useless on them. Phasers could lock onto the frequency at which the ship is phased. Defeating the sheild. But weapons like yours can't do that. Explosives wont do anything either. nor will Gravity weapons. There are alot of weapons that can lock onto it. However it's very effective agnist disroupters(SP) and your LinAC systems and smiliaer systems that cannot remodulate the frequency of there energy. Thats the wondeful thing about Phasers you can change the frequency at which the beam fires to anything you want. Phasers are deveatsating(SP) agnist systems like this IF and only IF you can lock onto the frequency at which the ship is phased at.

Admiral Willing: Well thank you for that vaulble infomation. I will have the sheilds rasied to 7ghz at once. At that kind of levels there only about 1/300 can get through. And with our armor you might scatch the paint :D
Admiral Willing: Would you be interested in warpdrive? Ahh Phase sheilds. The wonders! I'll put it simple and short. ( some other nations may to this differently but this is how my system works ) It phases the ship in between 2 demsinons(SP) so it's not quite in each one. Making unmodulated partical weapons useless on them. Phasers could lock onto the frequency at which the ship is phased. Defeating the sheild. But weapons like yours can't do that. Explosives wont do anything either. nor will Gravity weapons. There are alot of weapons that can lock onto it. However it's very effective agnist disroupters(SP) and your LinAC systems and smiliaer systems that cannot remodulate the frequency of there energy. Thats the wondeful thing about Phasers you can change the frequency at which the beam fires to anything you want. Phasers are deveatsating(SP) agnist systems like this IF and only IF you can lock onto the frequency at which the ship is phased at.


Quinn answered first again, "No problem, I'm happy to be of help. And your phase shields sound very weird to say the least. Although I'm not sure what mean by 'in between 2 dimensions'. I mean your ship already exists in four by just being matter in the universe. And as far as I'm concerned anything that complicated is prone to break down. I'll take simplicity anyday. And I do find it hard to believe that the shield won't be damaged or weakened or whatever by a LinAc shot. Energy is energy whether it's coherent or not, the only difference is one is more efficient at delivering it to the target. I just don't get it." Quinn leaned back yet again and shook his head.

"Perhaps we could get a warp drive to do some tests on if that would be alright Admiral. We'll make our decision after we run them." Harold added.


OOC: By the way 1/300th of a gigaton is 3.33 megatons, and so on down the scale.

Quinn answered first again, "No problem, I'm happy to be of help. And your phase shields sound very weird to say the least. Although I'm not sure what mean by 'in between 2 dimensions'. I mean your ship already exists in four by just being matter in the universe. And as far as I'm concerned anything that complicated is prone to break down. I'll take simplicity anyday. And I do find it hard to believe that the shield won't be damaged or weakened or whatever by a LinAc shot. Energy is energy whether it's coherent or not, the only difference is one is more efficient at delivering it to the target. I just don't get it." Quinn leaned back yet again and shook his head.

"Perhaps we could get a warp drive to do some tests on if that would be alright Admiral. We'll make our decision after we run them." Harold added.


OOC: By the way 1/300th of a gigaton is 3.33 megatons, and so on down the scale. And yes in the 1st epsisodes when the borg showed up the order was given each time they engaged the borg.I've seen
The Best of Both Worlds a million times the order was clearly given.

Admiral Willing: We are going to be there in about 30 minutes and you'll see what I mean when I say " it ain't gonna do jack shit" I'll put this nice and simple for you. We cant fire when we are phased but it's very handy when you need make a mini warp jump and recharge the mainsheilding systems. You'll see stuff fly right though us. As we move in and get deailted scans. We are working on a way to allow us to fire our weapons when we are phased.
And also keep in mind we have 2 sets of sheilding on all vessels expect for the old Excelsior class which are bening phased out. And snice they are both running at differet frequencies you'll get almost 0 energy leakage. And our sheilding systems are also incredbliy powerful at least on this vessel. It's a 60,000,000Tj system. If your wondering how I'm producing all this power then let me explain the QC Reactor.

Admiral Willing: We are going to be there in about 30 minutes and you'll see what I mean when I say " it ain't gonna do jack shit" I'll put this nice and simple for you. We cant fire when we are phased but it's very handy when you need make a mini warp jump and recharge the mainsheilding systems. You'll see stuff fly right though us. As we move in and get deailted scans. We are working on a way to allow us to fire our weapons when we are phased.
And also keep in mind we have 2 sets of sheilding on all vessels expect for the old Excelsior class which are bening phased out. And snice they are both running at differet frequencies you'll get almost 0 energy leakage. And our sheilding systems are also incredbliy powerful at least on this vessel. It's a 60,000,000Tj system. If your wondering how I'm producing all this power then let me explain the QC Reactor.


Quinn noded, "So they're not really shields per say, they're more of an existence modifier, that makes sense now. Now with those shields, is the 60 million terajoules the rating of how much pounding they can take or how much energy it takes to keep them up. And you're QC reactors remind me of our Icefire-reactors, we've just recently produced the first experimental reactor, It's shows much promise. do tell me about your QC reactor."

Quinn tapped his feet. It'd been awhile since the engineer and Captain Wells had left for a meeting or something. He wondered they would get back to answer his questions.

*bump for ECF, this debate is too fun to stop:D*

*bumping for ECF again*

ooc; busy be back soon