NationStates Jolt Archive

Some of the most publicized amongst the wide range of weapons available to Sinoese spec-ops.


Assault Rifle: Type 95 (5.8x42mm)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type95_rifle58_5.jpg

Function: Primary weapon
Length: 746mm
Mass: 3.25 kg (empty)
Minor features: lightweight materials, noted accuracy
Max. effective range: 400m
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Muzzle velocity: 930m/s
Possible attachments: telescopic sights, night scopes, Type 91 35mm underbarrel grenade launcher

Submachinegun: Type 85-II (9X19mm)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type79_submachine762_2.jpg

Function: Secondary weapon (CQB)
Length: 869mm
Mass: 2.5 kg
Max. effective range: 200m
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Muzzle velocity: 300m/s
Possible attachments: Laser designator, silencer, tactical flashlight

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type85_submachine762_1.jpg

Pistol: QSZ-92 (9x19mm)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/qsz92_pistol9_1.jpg

Function: Sidearm
Ammunition: DAP-92 (body armor piercing rounds)
Length: 190 mm
Width: 40 mm
Height: 140 mm
Barrel Length: 132 mm
Weight: 0.76 kg
Muzzle Velocity: 350 m/s
Effective Range: 50 m
Cartridge Capacity: 15 rounds
Barrel Life: over 3000 rounds
Possible attachments: Silencer, laser indicator

Squad machine gun: Type 95 (5.8x42mm)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type95_rifle58_4.jpg

Length: 800mm
Mass: 3.94 kg
Minor features: lightweight materials, compatibility with Type 95 rifle
Max. effective range: 600m
Magazine capacity (catridege drum): 75 rounds
Muzzle velocity: 970m/s
Possible attachments: telescopic sights

Sniper rifle: Type 88-II (.308 Win)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type88_sniperrifle58_2.jpg

Length: 920mm
Mass: 4.20 kg
Action: Semiautomatic
Minor features: lightweight materials, noted accuracy, emergency ironsights, flash hider
Max. effective range: 900m
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Muzzle velocity: Classified
Possible attachments: telescopic sight (10x)

LAWs:

FHJ-84 (2x 62mm):

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/fhj84_1.jpg

PF-97 (80mm) FAE (Fuel Air Explosive):

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/pf97_1.jpg

Grenade launcher: Type 87 (35mm)

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/crewserved/qlz87_mg35_3.jpg

Function: Mini infantry artillery
Weight: 14kg
Magazine capacity: 9
Muzzle velocity: 200m/s
Max. range: 1750m

Shotgun: HTQZ-10 (based on the SPAS 12)

http://spas12.com/spas/anispas.gif

Function: Primary weapon plus CQB (for demolishion specialists)
GAUGE/CHAMBER 12 ga. 2 3/4 inch
OPERATION: Pump action or gas operated semi-automatic
BARREL: 21.5 inches
CHOKE: Cylinder
SIGHTS: Ghost ring sights
CAPACITY: 9
OVERALL LENGTH: 41 inches

OOC: I need to see some guns to sleep better at night!

BUMP

OOC: C'mon, where's all the warmongers that are into the meat grinder kind of war?!

Well it is extremely difficult to pin down the exact weapons used by Crookfur Special forces, seeing as they use what ever is handy and allows them to blend in.
A good bet would be to say that either they use the standard crookfur range:
http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/rifles.html

or if they are fighting you then they will msot likely be using your weapons as they did in the Kubadi conflcit where they made extensive use of Kudabian SLRs often using supressors(which they took with them).

SLR with supressor:

http://guns.connect.fi/rs/fall1a1.jpg

Soemone holding and SLR:
http://www.spacelan.ne.jp/~fuku99/newpage2.files/fal/fal.jpg

Common Red Bamboo/Banat individual and crew-served armaments.

Type D-KPV heavy machinegun in 14.5x114mm
-Considerably more powerful than the widespread .50” machineguns of the west, these are employed as support weapons and with radar command as anti-aircraft guns.
Type D-KPV HMG (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/Zpu1.jpg)

Type D-92 medium machinegun in 7.7x58mmD
-A relatively low rate of fire gives this strong, reliable weapon a characteristic woodpecker-like report. These guns are often carried by the use of two bearer-poles fed through eyes on the tripod, allowing the mount and gun to be transported quickly and in one unit. Still quite similar to the Tashio weapon brought by Japanese invaders some decades ago.
Type D-92 MMG (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/92HMG.jpg)

Type D-99 light machinegun in 6.5mmD
-Somewhat out-dated but none the less effective and unlikely to be replaced soon. Various proposals for a squad version of the Type D-86 rifle displaying greater commonality with the service rifle than does the Type D-99 LMG have failed to achieve much more than the existing weapon.
Type D-99 LMG (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/model99mg.jpg)

Type D-99* sniper rifle in 7.7x58mmD
-A bolt action rifle of old design but powerful cartridge and proven effectiveness. Usually fitted with a low-power scope.
Type D-99* SR (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/type99.jpg)

Type D-86 assault rifle in 6.5mmD
-The PA’s standard assault rifle, replacing the old Type D-99 bolt-action rifle. The Type D-86 is a bullpup design based on the AK action and chambering an intermediate 6.5mm round. It is usually poorly finished but tends to be fairly accurate and easily maintained in the field.
Type D-86 AR (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/type86s.jpg)

D-Type K-50m sub-machinegun in 8x21.5mmD
-A distant cousin to the Soviet PPSH, this weapon is compact and light, suiting it to the typically small Drapoel soldier. Useful in close-quarter forest combat and widely issued to Banat combat units, the main criticism levelled against the D-Type K-50m is –its horrible nomenclature aside- related to the supposedly limited penetration characteristics of the 8mm cartridge. According to the UPA, however, tests have revealed that their ammunition is superior to the old 7.62 short round.
D-Type K-50M SMG (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/d-type-k50m.jpg)

Nambu 14th Year pistol in 8x21.5mmD
-An old design issued to Drapoel officers who, in all fairness to the automatic pistol, also tend to carry traditional short-swords. It has been significantly altered in order to accept the slightly different characteristics of the Drapoel round.

Baby Nambu pistol in 7x19.5mmD
-Often to be found in the hands of agents deployed over-seas, this is primarily a tool of the Banat. Lately issued in large numbers to domestic security and law enforcement organisations. Has also been reported with a suppresser unit apparently built-in.
Nambu and Baby Nambu (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/3nambu.jpg)

Type 69-I RPG
-Chinese version of the famous Russian RPG-7, favoured in Dra-pol for its impressive range of warheads and the minor improvement offered by its mounting of a bipod and new sight.
Type 69-I RPG (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/type69i.jpg)

Susong-Po ATGM
-Native version of the Soviet wire-guided AT-3 Sagger, deployed on Type D-19 light tank and Type-192 APC, Mi-2 and Mi-8 helicopters, and as a manpack. Incapable of engaging at very short range, these are deployed directly behind Type 69-I units.
Susong-Po ATGM (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/HJ-73-1.jpg)

D-Type-89 40mm Knee-Mortar grenade-launcher
-Called mortar this is in truth more a grenade launcher. Deployed en masse during the Crusader War it proved quite effective as squads of fast-moving infantry laid down arcs of fire while concealed by Dra-pol’s rough and forested terrain.
Original Type 89 Knee-Mortar (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/kneemortargrenlauncher.jpg) captured from Japanese forces and evidently copied by the CPRD.

74mm Type 3 Infantry Mortar
-Used wherever a Knee-Mortar is found wanting and often carried on the backs or bicycles of two or three men.
Type 3 74mm Infantry Mortar (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/mtr97.jpg)

QW-2 MANPAD
-Chinese origin SAM of good performance. There are now literally thousands of these throughout the CPRD’s mountainous countryside, making low level airborne incursion or any of the helicopter activity that so hurt Dra-pol in the Three Day War now little more than suicidal. Many of the weapons built in Dra-pol may be marginally inferior to the originals, but this has not been confirmed. The weapon is still certainly capable of all-aspect infrared tracking and engagement.
QW-2 MANPAD (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v148/Chivtv/NS1/qw2_2.jpg)

The UMAC CAR-48 (based on the Armalite serries of rifles) is the most commonly used rifle among the Imitoran Special Forces. UMAC still claims that thier CAR-48 is the most versatile version of the Armalite base rifle. Several private security firms in Imitora have contracted UMAC to make specialized versions of the CAR-48.

Statistics:
Caliber-6.7mm, with the ability to accept FMJ, JHP, Fragmentational, Blended Metal, and other specialized rounds.
Magazine-30rnds
Weight-5.9lbs with magazine and reflex sight, however the addition of other equipment may increase weight
ROF-890rpm
Muzzle Velocity-950fps
Max Range-500yds (however, this is just the max capable pre bullet drop, acurate range. It is not advised to use this rifle to engage at ranges this long)
Possible Attachment-Anything that can attach to a RIS

Pictures of CAR-48s in service:
Standard Model from UMAC, pre custimization. Note, the stock folds to the side for carry (http://www.coloradoshooting.org/75%25%20postban%20bushmaster%20m4%20right.jpg)
Photo of CAR-48 from a Combat Recon operative (http://www.gurpsmaster.de/m4a1_socom.jpg)
CAR-48 built by UMAC under contract for the NSWC (http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/product/img/RWC-M4CQB-L.jpg)
CAR-48 in the service of the 22nd SOTF (http://www.boomarms.com/collector/SIR/1.jpg)
Another CAR-48 from Combat Recon (http://www.boomarms.com/collector/MRE/1.jpg)
The CAR-88. In use only by Imitora's ICMC Force Recon, the CAR-88 is a heavily modified version of the CAR-48. Despite it's shorter barrel, it is more acurate than the other CAR-48 models, and has triger work, spring work, and a match barrel. The integral supressor allows for the use of regular ammunition, while allowing the same silence afforded to using subsonic ammunition, with a silencer. (http://www.boomarms.com/collector/M4Custom/1.jpg)

These weapons are the most common in service. However, Imitora's Special Operations Units also use MP5Is, modified H&Ks built by UMAC under contract, and CAR-46s, a UMAC copy of the M16A5. Snipers commonly use a UMAC built version of the L115A, chambered for the .338 Lapua round, and sidearms are UMAC/Kimber built TLE/RL II .45s, also built under contract.

The special forces of the Democratic Colonies, be they Army Rangers or Navy Lancers, have access to a wide range of weapons that they may request through an item requestion filing system. However, they often find that the standard arms of the Colonial military are best suited for thier operations.


The H&K M-8 Assualt Rifle is the standard Colonial infantry weapon. Regarded by many as the most accurate, technologically advanced assualt rifle in the world, the M-8 recently replaced the M16A2 and M4A1 in the Colonial military. While more difficult to maintain than most Russian made rifles, it is still easier to maintain than members of the AR15/M16/M4 family and has proven to be both more accurate and better suited to urban environments, while not sacrificing longer range combat effectiveness.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/5c87af82.jpg
Caliber: 5.56x45 mm NATO
Overall length: 838 mm in basic configuration, butt extended
Barrel length: 318 mm in basic configuration
Weight: 2.659 kg empty in basic configuration
Rate of fire: ~ 750 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds



The FN M249 functions as the Colonial machine gun at the squad level. A proven and trusted design, it has served with distinction for 2 decades with the Colonial military. Well liked by soldiers, ongoing research projects at the Colonial Arms Corporation have yet to yeild a superior design than this tried and true, exceptional Squad Automatic Weapon.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/b8c439de.jpg
Caliber 5.56x45mm NATO
Weight 7.1 kg
Length 1040 mm
Barrel length 465 mm
Rate of fire, cyclic 750 - 1000 rounds per minute
Fed by ammo belts, 200 Round Drum Magazines, or 30 Round M-8 Assualt Rifle Magazines



The FN P-90 is the standard Colonial submachine gun. While the MP5 is also available for use by the Colonial Special Forces and federal tactical teams, most personel prefer the P-90 when given a choice between the two. The 50 round magazine and superior armour-piercing abilities of the P-90 over the MP5 are what led to the P-90 being chosen as the standard SMG over the MP5 and other competitors.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/cf38d64d.jpg
Caliber: 5.7x28mm SS190
Weight: 2.54 kg empty; 3 kg loaded with magazine with 50 rounds
Lenght: 500 mm
Barrel lenght: 263 mm
Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 50 rounds
Effective range: 200 meters



The Colonial Arms LR-105 Sniper Rifle is the standard Colonial sniper rifle. Lighter sniper rifles are available to the special forces through special item requestion forms, but most personel would rather have the admittedly large and heavy LR-105 instead of requesting a smaller sniper rifle with lowered performance. Efforts are ongoing at Colonial Arms to see if the size and weight of the LR-105 can be reduced without sacrificing performance, but such efforts have so far been fruitless.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/steyr_amr.jpg
Caliber: .50 BMG (12.7 x 99mm)
Operation: Short Recoil, Semi-Automatic
Overall Length: 1420 mm
Barrel Length: 765 mm
Feed Device: 8 Round Detachable Box Magazine
Weight: 12.9 kg empty
Muzzle Velocity: ~900 m/s (M33 Ball)
Max Effective Range: ~2000 metres



The SIG / Colonial Arms joint production SIG Sauer P221, DC Edition is the standard Colonial sidearm. Considered to be highly reliable and well built, the P221 was designed by a joint design team over a period of 3 years. The P221 DCE had already served a full year with the Colonial Bureau of Security before the Colonial military considered replacing thier Berreta 92F / M9 pistols with them. The M9 was slated for replacement because of continuing complaints about low stopping power, so the Colonial military arranged a competitive "shoot-off" inwhich the P221 was selected as the standard military sidearm over a 10mm pistol design from Berreta, a 12mm design from IMI, and a .50 caliber design from Colonial Arms. Considered to have a good balance between high stopping power, managable recoil, high accuracy and a fair sized magazine, the P221 is currently worn on the duty uniform of the Colonial military by all personel, and is the most often issued pistol to local and regional police and security forces.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/JC_Denton/NationStates/6c5fc4b3.jpg
Standard Caliber: .40
Length, overall: 193mm
Barrel length: 112mm
Weight unloaded : 720g
Capacity: 13 Rounds (.40 Caliber)
Integrated Laser Sight

Well, since my nation's government treat information about our spec ops very seriously and tries to cover them up as much as possible, an OOC post on some of the equipment we are using:

The Omzian Special Operational Forces use a variety of weapons, including automatic rifles, sniper rifles machine guns, pistols, submachine guns. For different missions, the Omzian SOF also uses various types of ATGMs, grenade launchers, recoilless rifles, small mortars, and to an extent, different types of explosives.

The standard issue Omzian SOF firearm is a modified variant of the O18B Carbine, which uses the 6.8mm round with superior accuracy and hitting power, and regularly mounts close combat sights or scopes, in addition to a grenade launcher. SOF operators often prefer regular FMJ rounds provided by the Omzian Firearms Industries (OFARI), though is is rumored that a variety of specialized rounds, including blended metal, are also in service. For other roles, some SOF operators - primarily the Omzian Naval Commandoes, also operates the O18S Commando, which is a further scaled down variant with an integrated sound/flash suppressor. Aside from the O18, it is also believed that some Omzian SOF units, especially Naval Commando units, also has a limited number of Oak-47 autmatic rifles (AK-47s provided by OFARI) for their stopping power and reliability.

The Omzian SOF also operates a variety of sniping rifles. Sniper rifles in service includes anything from modified O18A rifles to anti-materiel rifles of up to the range of 20 milimeters. Bolt-action sniping rifles and Barrett .50cals are also common, and the Omzian SOF also uses a variety of sniping rounds of different calibre.

Machine guns are another important weapon in the service of the Omzian SOF. The standard machine gun is a variant of the M249 SAW chambered in the 6.8mm round, while some units also operate scaled-down versions of the M240 for more stopping power and range. It is also believed that the Omzian SOFs also uses RPK machine guns, for their reliability and power.

Sidearms and submachine guns are also common, although they are very specialized for certain roles. Most pistols are chambered in the .45 round, though others of the 9mm and .40 S&W rounds are also common. MP5 submachine guns are another common sight in the Omzian's submachine gun arsenal.

Aside from small arms, the Omzian SOF operates other system as well. it is believed that variants of both the Javelin and the Spike anti-tank missiles are in service in limited numbers. Rocket launchers, including the AT4, the Omzian SMAW and MIRS, and even the RPG-7 are in service. Infantry mortars include various small-calibre "commando mortars", and various different explosive "kits" are available for different missions of demolition and sabotage.

the AK-103, used by many regular forces, except with a scope:
http://www.traptown.com/pics/pf_ak103-2.jpg

regular sniper rifle:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn22-e.htm

heavy sniper rifle:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn05-e.htm

machine gun:
http://world.guns.ru/machine/mg40-e.htm

these are the main ones used by the special forces. The regular snipers use a variety of rifles, from hunting rifles to heavy 50 cal rifles. The standard weapon is the AK-103 (without scope). In regular forces, the MG-3 is more used than the MG-43

It would be somewhat difficult to pin down the exact types of weapons used by the light infantry and paratrooper units (usually employed to defend coastal islands, etc.), but it is similar to the weaponry used by the armored and infantry divisions.

The NSV 12.7mm machine gun is usually deployed on the platoon level with the light infantry (whereas in the infantry a platoon could be expected to lug around three). It's got a reasonable range, and is cheap and simple. They are generally deployed on ground-level tripods in the light infantry, while infantry squads usually carry AAA tripods. Armored squads usually don't carry much more than a GPMG or an RPK.

NSV 12.7mm machine gun (http://www.voentour.com/mhp/catalog/machineguns/img/nsv-12_7.jpg)

The 7.62mm GPMG is deployed on the squad level in all LRRA units. It is usually equipped with a bipod, and is liscence-produced in LRR as the MG-4B.

MG-4B medium MG (http://www.1pwo.co.uk/Images%20and%20Photo%20Gallery/Photo%20Gallery/Sp%20Wpns/Sp_Wpns_GPMG_1.jpg)

The APILAS anti-tank rocket launcher equips the light infantry, lacking the requisite transportation necessary to cart around ATGMs like the infantry and armored troops do. It works well in the short-distance engagements that the light infantry would encounter and is very portable.

APILAS anti-tank rocket launcher (http://www.nato.int/sfor/indexinf/102/s102p08a/b001205i.jpg)

LRR light infantry is sometimes equipped with the standard AR-2C assault rifle, an LRR copy of the FN-FAL which remedies many of the problems of the original, especially with regards to its operation in adverse environments. Usually the light infantry and paratroopers are equipped with something lighter and easier to carry, but it is a common weapon nontheless, with a range of nearly 800 meters with its 7.62mm cartrige. However, accuracy diminishes greatly when firing automatic.

AR-2C (http://dboy.cpgl.net/fn/fal/fal_04.jpg)

The G-36 assault rifle is the arm that usually equips the paratroopers and light infantry. It is a much more modern weapon than the AR-2 series, and is far more accurate when firing automatic. It also has a larger magazine and a much better sighting system. However, it is really too expensive for the LRRA to equip its entirety with the G-36.

G-36 (http://remtek.com/arms/hk/mil/g36/g36kfold.gif)

While the light infantry has mostly light weapons, the paratroopers, infantry, and vehicle infantry carry the Spike series ATGMs, which are effective out to 2.5km, 4km, and 8km with respective models, and are supported by Hellfire II missiles with 12km range.

BUMP

OOC: Some of you folks have really weird calibers. I've had some personal experience with the SLR and the Steyr AUG. The SLR is like some sh*tty AK clone but designed and made in Britain.

http://www.lyshtw.com/chinaimg/picture/e1290-1.jpg

Special forces of Torsg Empire utilise wide variety of weapons.
Majority of information about special forces is classified, but i can list some of most basic weapons used by Torsg's special forces.

Basic infantry weapons of Torsg special forces

Service rifle:
TA-04 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta04.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: 7.62x51mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 1200 mm
Barrel length: 500 mm
Weigth: 3.8 kg / 4.2 loaded
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Effective range of fire: 700 m

SMG:
TA-39(old, mostly replaced by TA-90) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta-39.jpg)
Action: blowback, open bolt
Caliber: 9x19mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 900 mm
Barrel length: 350 mm
Weigth: 4.6 kg / 5.9 loaded
Rate of fire: 900 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 50 rounds drum
Effective range of fire: 700 m

TA-95 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta95.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: 9x19mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 820 mm
Barrel length: 250 mm
Weigth: 2.9 kg / 3.9 loaded
Rate of fire: 800 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 50 rounds drum / 35 rounds curved box magazine
Effective range of fire: 500 m

Carbine:
TA-90 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta90.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: 7.62x51mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 900 mm
Barrel length: 400 mm
Weigth: 3.2 kg / 3.9 loaded
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Effective range of fire: 600 m

Sniper rifle:
TA-75 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta-75.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: .700 Nitro Express
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 1350 mm
Barrel length: 700 mm
Weigth: 10.2 kg / 11.3 loaded
Rate of fire: semi-automatic
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Effective range of fire: 1.5km

Sniper rifle(tactical)
TA-85 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta85.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: 7.92x57mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 1250 mm
Barrel length: 600 mm
Weigth: 4.2 kg / 5.1 loaded
Rate of fire: 600 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 20 rounds
Effective range of fire: 900 m

Multipurpose Machine gun
TA-55(MG42) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/mg42c.jpg)
Action: gas operated, rotating bolt
Caliber: 7.92x57 mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Weigth: 11.5 kg on bipod; 18 kg on light AA tripod; 32 kg on infantry tripod
Length: 1220 mm
Length of barrel: 533 mm
Feeding: belt
Rate of fire: 1200 rounds/min
Effective range of fire: 500m

Antitank
M80(Carl Gustav M2) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/carlg1.gif)
Length: 44.48 in/1.13 m
Weight: 31.52 lbs/14.3 kg
Mount: 1.76 lbs/0.8 kg
Country of origin: Sweden
Caliber: 84mm
Muzzle velocity: 290 m/s

Anti-material:
TA-42M(modernised anti-tank rifle) (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta-42.jpg)
Action: gas operated
Caliber: 20x105mm
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Weigth: 178.46kg
Length: 2300 mm
Length of barrel: 1200 mm
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Rate of fire: semi-automatic
Effective range of fire: 2000+m

Standard sidearm:
TA-88 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/tissi/ns/ta88.jpg)
Action: blowback, double-action
Caliber: .45 acp
Manufacturer: Torsg Federal Arms
Overall length: 180 mm
Barrel length: 99 mm
Weigth: 0.8kg / 0.9kg loaded
Rate of fire: semi-automatic
Magazine capacity: 10 rounds
Effective range of fire: 250 m

The Afrikan Special Operations, a rather large group of the AzK armed forces.
The weapons are state-of-the-art and are well maintained and equipped with more.

The standard Special Operations Assualt Rifle

W- 13S Special Operations Weapon
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/sar21_3.jpg
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 790 mm
Barrel length: 501 mm
Weight: 3.56 kg without magazine and accessories, 4.17 kg loaded with magazine and 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 500-650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 510 meters
Price: $1000

The standard light sniper rifle.

W-16 Sniper Rifle
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/steyr_scout.jpg
Caliber: 7.62mm NATO
Operation: bolt action, rotating bolt
Barrel: 512 mm
Weight: 3.8 kg unloaded without scope
Length: 1040 mm
Feed Mechanism: 10 rounds detachable box magazines
Price: 1500

The standard LMG

W-46 Light Machine Gun
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/lmg.jpg
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Weigth: 8.35 kg
Length: 1035
Length: of barrel 520 mm
Feeding: belt
Rate of fire: 600-900 rounds per minute
Price: 1500

The standard HMG

W-27 Heavy Machine Gun
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/hmg.jpg
Caliber: 7.62mm NATO
Weigth: 8.61kg on bipod
Length: 1069 mm
Barrel Length: 560 mm
Feeding: Belt 100 rounds
Rate of Fire: 550 rounds/min
Price: 1750

The standard sub-machine.

W-31 Sub-machine gun
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/hk_ump45.jpg
Caliber: 9x19mm Luger/Para
Weight: 2.2 kg empty
Lenght (stock closed/open): 452 / 605 mm
Barrel lenght: 190 mm
Rate of fire: 600 - 700 rounds per minute
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Effective range: 105 meters
Price: 450

The standard shotgun.

W-15 Combat Shotgun
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/Spas12.jpg
Type: selective-pump or gas-operated
Gauge: 12
Chamber: 70 mm
Length: 1061 mm
Barrel length: 552 mm.
Weight 4.6 kg
Capacity: 8 rounds in under-barrel tube magazine
Price: 650

The Afrikan Special Operations, a rather large group of the AzK armed forces.
The weapons are state-of-the-art and are well maintained and equipped with more.

The standard Special Operations Assualt Rifle

W- 13S Special Operations Weapon
http://immortal.galacnode.com/images/sar21_3.jpg
Caliber: 5.56x45mm NATO
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall length: 790 mm
Barrel length: 501 mm
Weight: 3.56 kg without magazine and accessories, 4.17 kg loaded with magazine and 30 rounds of ammunition
Magazine capacity: 30 rounds
Rate of fire: 500-650 rounds per minute
Effective range: about 510 meters
Price: $1000

OOC: I thought no white person would ever like the Singaporean SR-21 (which is often dubbed as a cheap copy of the Steyr AUG).

OOC: I thought no white person would ever like the Singaporean SR-21 (which is often dubbed as a cheap copy of the Steyr AUG).OOC: Its to shiny, and the AUG is dumb anyways. This is the better of the two eviles. And its shiny! Hmm yah, thats number one.

OOC: Its to shiny, and the AUG is dumb anyways. This is the better of the two eviles. And its shiny! Hmm yah, thats number one.

OOC: Shiny weapons make concealment bad! Are you crazy?

(What? Dude, the SLR (Self Loading Rifle) was a British clone of the FN-Fal converted for metric measurements, and nothing to do with the AK. Perfectly good rifle, too, and greatly missed by a large number of troops who lament the passing of the 7.62x51mm cartridge's stopping power in battle rifles. Personally I'm a big advocate of the later end of the SA80 series, so I'm not going to defend the L1A1 for too long, but it was better than what the Chinese were using in the 1950s when it entered British army service!
And yes, Dra-pol uses unusual calibres. We've been isolationist for two or three generations, remember. Most Drapoel weapons are distant cousins to WWII Japanese technologies or else similar Soviet ones, developed in isolation over a period of fifty years.)

OOC: Shiny weapons make concealment bad! Are you crazy? Yah, I'm crazy, but there weapons aren't literally shiny, for m shiny is pretty.

OOC: I'm a bit suprised that no one's come in yet that equips thier special forces with the standard M16/M4 family of rifles. Aren't those pretty common? Or does everyone always just go either cheaper with the AK-47s or more expensive with the G36s and XM-8s?

(I don't think that anyone in Dra-pol has ever seen an M-16, or heard of one. If you're going to use real-life stuff, Soviet tends to be the cheapest, European the best, American... uh... oh dear, America's even bad at the only thing besides eating that it likes. Oh well.)

OOC: Don't assume that just because it's European means it's better. I'd take an M-16A2 or M4A1 over a French FAMAS or British L85A2 any day. It's mainly the Germans that really excel in assualt rifle and SMG design, and once H&K US is done with it, like you can see, I believe the M-8 will outperform the purely German G36.

Yah, I'm crazy, but there weapons aren't literally shiny, for m shiny is pretty.

OOC: Weapons aren't meant to be pretty. Take the P-90, it's as ugly as the devil's arse but it does the job and is quite innovative.

Rm-531 Kommando
http://www.kuattech.com/gewehr/gewehr-cc1.jpg
Utilizing polymer stocks and barrel supports anodized to simulate wood, this rifle is stated to outperform a G-36 at long distance and short.

Ammunition: 6mm RWR
Operation: Gas Operated
Modes: Semi-Automatic, Automatic, Cycle
Length: 450mm
Magazine Capacity: Mag1; 40, Mag2; 100
Cyclic Rate: 900 RPM
Automatic Rate: 400 RPM
Combat Range: 400m
Price: 900 KLM

OOC: I'm a bit suprised that no one's come in yet that equips thier special forces with the standard M16/M4 family of rifles. Aren't those pretty common? Or does everyone always just go either cheaper with the AK-47s or more expensive with the G36s and XM-8s?

Some of the Sinoese police and National Militia are armed with the Type 87A (a good combination of the AK and M16).

http://www.sinodefence.com/army/individual/type87_rifle58_3.jpg

(Bahaha. Okay, take an M16 over a rifle that's actually got a chance of being better than what the opponent has. I'll just shoot you between the eyes with an L85 before you can make me out in the distance. You don't have to believe the press, the SA80 series has always been exceptional in at least some areas, and only ever hampered by a few bad political decisions...always exceptionally accurate in the right hands... in latest format it is the best assault rifle on earth. I don't know so much about the FA-MAS, but it seems all right to me, and the French are persistantly underestimated militarily.)

(Bahaha. Okay, take an M16 over a rifle that's actually got a chance of being better than what the opponent has. I'll just shoot you between the eyes with an L85 before you can make me out in the distance. You don't have to believe the press, the SA80 series has always been exceptional in at least some areas, and only ever hampered by a few bad political decisions...always exceptionally accurate in the right hands... in latest format it is the best assault rifle on earth. I don't know so much about the FA-MAS, but it seems all right to me, and the French are persistantly underestimated militarily.)

OOC: You say that because you're a Pom. I do like the L85 but I have more trust in a traditional layout, like the M16. Besides, the glorious history of the M16 make it impossible to be abandoned.

Here's my inventory of personal weapons used by Imperium special forces.


M12 Service Pistol
Caliber: 10mm Caseless
Range (Effective): 50 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 100 Meters
Configuration: Standard
Rounds Per Magazine: 12 (Standard) or 24 (Extended)
Action: Safe, Double Action
Accessories: None
Price-
Pistol: 200 USD
12 Rd Magazine: 25 USD
NOTES: This pistol is issued to all Imperial Air Force, Navy, and Special Operations Marine and Army personel, plus officers. Special Forces troopers tend to replace the iron sights with something smaller, put in a slightly long threaded barrel to fit suppressors, and mount a taclight or laser under the barrel.
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/NewGun_Pistol_5.jpg)

M40 Personal Defense Weapon
Caliber: 10mm Caseless
Range (Effective): 100 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 150 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Magazine: 30
Action: Safe, Two Round Burst, Automatic
Accessories: Multi-spectral teleoptic sighting equipment (Imperial issue only), suppresor
Price: 400 USD
NOTES: Standard PDW for the Imperial Armed Forces. Caseless ammunition allows for almost unheard of firing rates which aid in fire suppression in full auto and supreme accuracy in two-round burst.
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/RadTech_Case_SMG_1.jpg)

M55 Pulse Carbine
Caliber: 6.8mm Caseless
Range (Effective): 200 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 300 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Magazine: 30
Action: Safe, Two Round Burst, Automatic
Accessories: Multi-spectral teleoptic sighting equipment (Imperial issue only), pump-action grenade launcher, suppressor
Price: 800 USD
NOTES: Standard carbine of the Imperial Armed Forces. Caseless ammunition allows for almost unheard of firing rates which aid in fire suppression in full auto and supreme accuracy in two-round burst.
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/RadTech_Hvy_SMG.jpg)

M61 SAW (Squad Automatic Weapon)
Caliber: 6.8mm Caseless
Range (Effective): 1000 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 1500 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Magazine: 50
Action: Safe, Two Round Burst, Automatic
Accessories: Multi-spectral teleoptic sighting equipment (Imperial issue only)
Price-
Rifle: 1000 USD
500 Rd Box Magazine: 150 USD
NOTES: Standard SAW of the Imperial Armed Forces. Caseless ammunition allows for almost unheard of firing rates which aid in fire suppression in full auto and supreme accuracy in two-round burst.
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/Militech_SAW.jpg)

M13 SSR (Standard Sniper Rifle)
Caliber: 7.5mm Caseless
Range (Effective): 1500 Meters
Range (Max Effective): 1800 Meters
Configuration: Bullpup
Rounds Per Clip: 20
Action: Safe, Semi
Accessories: Multi-spectral teleoptic sighting equipment (Imperial issue only)
Price-
Rifle: 5000 USD
Computer Controlled Scope/IR/NV: Not for sale
NOTES: Standard sniper rifle of the Imperial Armed Forces. The 7.5mm Caseless round packs more punch, range, and accuracy than the 6.8 Caseless, which makes it an ideal sniper round.
Pic (http://www.norrkoping.bonet.se/rad/guns/Armalite_308_Sniper.jpg)

OOC: Dra-pol, you would actually take an L85A2 over an M-16A2? I respect your opinion and all, but most regard it as a sub par weapon by western standards.

Here's an article about the L85, including a letter from a British serviceman that mentions most of the problems with the rifle:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm


EDIT: Upon further research, my memory was faulty in that the British government is not, I say again, not currently planning to replace the L85 with the G36. My apologies - apparently, while the idea is floating around, it is not an offical plan.

(Bahaha. Okay, take an M16 over a rifle that's actually got a chance of being better than what the opponent has. I'll just shoot you between the eyes with an L85 before you can make me out in the distance. You don't have to believe the press, the SA80 series has always been exceptional in at least some areas, and only ever hampered by a few bad political decisions...always exceptionally accurate in the right hands... in latest format it is the best assault rifle on earth. I don't know so much about the FA-MAS, but it seems all right to me, and the French are persistantly underestimated militarily.)

[Sino, I'm going to state quite adamantly that you're wrong where the M16 and the SA80 series are concerned.

Almost every British soldier I've ever spoken to has bitched about its myriad of design faults. For that matter every American soldier I've ever talked to who's cross-trained with the British Army and/or Royal Marines has heard a tirade from some British soldier in the field whose L85 has malfunctioned in some way. Hell, British units that have a choice of personal weapons almost always take the M16 family over the SA80 family.

On the flip-side, most American soldiers want to keep the M16 series of weapons instead of having them replaced with the XM8. This is probably reinforced by the horror stories from their British counter-parts about having a piss poor weapon forced on them.]

OOC: Dra-pol, you would actually take an L85A2 over an M-16A2? Heck, even the British Army's pretty much admitted that it's a sub par weapon, they plan to eventually replace the L85 with the G36.

Here's an article about the L85, including a letter from a British serviceman that mentions most of the problems with the rifle:

http://world.guns.ru/assault/as22-e.htm

OOC: He can't look past his own country's military. Even I admit (despite my constant RP'ing) that most some of the latest Chinese weapons are substandard (e.g. Type 95 rifles and Type 98 MBTs).

OOC: I'm a bit suprised that no one's come in yet that equips thier special forces with the standard M16/M4 family of rifles. Aren't those pretty common? Or does everyone always just go either cheaper with the AK-47s or more expensive with the G36s and XM-8s?

OOC: The fact that M16's and M4's are so common is exactly the reason I don't have Callisdrun use them. In fact, Callisdrun uses almost no US military stuff, because it seems to me like everybody and their brother uses US military stuff.

[Sino, I'm going to state quite adamantly that you're wrong where the M16 and the SA80 series are concerned.

Almost every British soldier I've ever spoken to has bitched about its myriad of design faults. For that matter every American soldier I've ever talked to who's cross-trained with the British Army and/or Royal Marines has heard a tirade from some British soldier in the field whose L85 has malfunctioned in some way. Hell, British units that have a choice of personal weapons almost always take the M16 family over the SA80 family.

On the flip-side, most American soldiers want to keep the M16 series of weapons instead of having them replaced with the XM8. This is probably reinforced by the horror stories from their British counter-parts about having a piss poor weapon forced on them.]

OOC: What? My views mirror those of yours exactly. It was Dra-pol who was boasting about L85s.

M14's baby!
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as15-e.htm

MSG-90's for the :sniper:
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn27-e.htm

Also rather partial to the Sig 550 series
http://world.guns.ru/sniper/sn24-e.htm :sniper:
http://world.guns.ru/assault/as25-e.htm
Gotta love Swiss quality.

OOC: The fact that M16's and M4's are so common is exactly the reason I don't have Callisdrun use them. In fact, Callisdrun uses almost no US military stuff, because it seems to me like everybody and their brother uses US military stuff.

Yes, I suppose that is a good point.

[Sorry, I meant Dra-pol.

/me curses all these Asian nations.]

Yes, I suppose that is a good point.

I just think it's more interesting when countries have different stuff. 'tis why I design my own ships instead of just saying that I have 30 Iowas and Nimitzes or whatever.

(The SA80 series has had a lot of problems. It should have been unquestionably the best weapon availed to the infantryman since the (Welsh-origin) English longbow, but was horribly unlucky in timing. Successive British governments, mainly Conservative, but not without some meddling from Labour, set the rifle back decades. Repeatedly caving to American pressure hurt the SA80, which was -as the EM2- designed to take a superior British cartridge, but NATO both times caved to US pressure and adopted their munitions as standard. In the SA80's case this was because the US had crap-loads of 5.56mm ammo left after getting it's M16-weilding arse kicked all over 3rd-world Vietnam. The already compact SA80 had to be modified to take the bigger 5.56mm round, and as such some early models would jam easily- a little fouling in a small space can mean a lot of hassle, fair enough criticism. Then Royal Enfield was shut down and production moved to Nottingham, after three centuries or some shit of world-beating weapons design and production. Rover mass-production specialists were put in charge of the new programme, and SA80 was mauled even further by idiots who decided to make it from cheaper materials and using American methods as employed on the M16s such as pressing and stamping instead of traditional British methods of working solid metal. They tried to make a Roller like it was a Ford, and of course it broke-down, the plastic dashboard cracked, and the engine would cease-up.

Oil it properly and you're fine, mind.

Even considering these problems, it was still the most accurate assault rifle on earth, and the British Army had to completely change its marksmanship training and competitions because the SA80 was so good that any idiot could hit a guy in the heart/face from God-knows how far away, so long as he could be arsed to oil and protect his rifle.

All right, so in the total war environment of NS or the potential heating of the Cold War, a soldier might be poorly trained or too pressured to have time to look after his weapon like that. So we got yet another new version. It is now the world's most accurate assault rifle and one of the world's most reliable assault rifles, according to trials and international competitions in a variety of environments.

This is British weaponry for you. It always gets a bad rap, and it always ends up kicking the hell out of whoever it faces. Brown Bess was hardly the C19th's most advanced weapon, but it made everyone either dead or subserviant to Britain. The English Longbow was a bit of wood next to expensively armoured knights, but it was feared across the then 1st world. The No4 Lee Enfield was a generation behind top American, German, and Russian rifles, but you were dead if you came up against one.

What foreigners fail to realise is that Britain has a strong tradition of self-depeciation and that British systems will always get a worse rap than anyone elses, because everyone else is obsessed with self-promotion and over-compensation and paranoia. Britain has already done everything. Britain won the real Nation States game, and is now critical beyond any other. And it is still the best at damn near everything.


...And I maintain that I'm not even a patriot. I'm a communist.

I just think it's more interesting when countries have different stuff. 'tis why I design my own ships instead of just saying that I have 30 Iowas and Nimitzes or whatever.

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. I myself created a pair of ship classes for my nation - the Pax Magellanic Class Aircraft Carrier and the Crusader Class Battleship. I don't have them posted here in a thread or anything because I haven't gotten around to most of the details like exact tonnage, exact armour thickness, exact maximum speed, etc made up yet and I don't have a picture for either yet. I do see where you're coming from though, I think most people want to find some way to stand out from the crowd a bit, be individual, and I do try myself a little bit. The fact that you design your own ships sounds interesting to me - do you have any links or anything?

Dra-pol has no warships weighing as much as two thousand tonnes, but the inferiority of archaic American designs is well understood in the Unified People's Navy. Dra-pol's largest warships are the two Kurosian I Class Coastal Patrol Frigates built in Al Khals and to Drapoel specifications. Next are the Beth Gellert-built Hound Class D/E submarines, followed by the Penglai-built Houijin Class missile attack-boats. After that, every one of the remaining ...several hundred small combat and landing craft are entirely Drapoel in design. From Cholima Class hovercraft to Bap Class minature submarines, and from Mogi Class missile boats to Three Day Class landing craft. Oh! Plus Al Khali Goat Class mine countermeasure vessels.

Yes, I can see where you're coming from. I myself created a pair of ship classes for my nation - the Pax Magellanic Class Aircraft Carrier and the Crusader Class Battleship. I don't have them posted here in a thread or anything because I haven't gotten around to most of the details like exact tonnage, exact armour thickness, exact maximum speed, etc made up yet and I don't have a picture for either yet. I do see where you're coming from though, I think most people want to find some way to stand out from the crowd a bit, be individual, and I do try myself a little bit. The fact that you design your own ships sounds interesting to me - do you have any links or anything?

Yeah. I design mine on the Springstyle program. Here's a link to a (crude) drawing I made of one of them. http://www.criesofthecarrots.com/battleship.jpg

The URL name is misleading. The ship is actually a battle cruiser. 15 by 14" guns, speed is 35+ knots. Armor is 14 inches on the turrets, 4 on the deck, 10 on the belt, All or Nothing protection scheme. Has a huge AA battery that I can't remember the details of off the top of my head (the full details are on my other computer, which is rebooting right now).

Yeah. I design mine on the Springstyle program. Here's a link to a (crude) drawing I made of one of them. http://www.criesofthecarrots.com/battleship.jpg

The URL name is misleading. The ship is actually a battle cruiser. 15 by 14" guns, speed is 35+ knots. Armor is 14 inches on the turrets, 4 on the deck, 10 on the belt, All or Nothing protection scheme. Has a huge AA battery that I can't remember the details of off the top of my head (the full details are on my other computer, which is rebooting right now).

Very nice. Your ship looks good, better than what I came up with the few times I've tried sketching anything. You've done a good job on it.



I think of my Pax Magellanic Class Carriers as having a tonnage of ~220 thousand tons, and an airwing of 182 aircraft (144 of them combat aircraft):

48 x F-111C Sea Aardvarks
64 x F-14E Cobalt Tomcats
32 x F-35 Joint Strike Fighters
10 x EA-18 Growlers (Electronic Warfare / Jamming Aircraft)
16 x KA-18 Aerial Refuelers
6 x SA-3 Vikings (Anti-Submarine Aircraft)
4 x E-3 Hawkeyes (Airbourne Radars)
2 x C-2 Greyhounds (Cargo Aircraft)

As you can see, pretty much all American aircraft, although some of them stuff you don't see too often - in RL, I don't think a single F-111 ever saw a flight deck outside of the test programs. I've tried to stay a bit apart from the pack by using retrofitted Aardvarks instead of all F-35 Joint Strike Fighters.

And I think of my Crusader Class Battleships as being armed with 4 x 24" guns, 6 x 16" guns and 12 x 5" guns, as well as Tomahawk and Harpoon missiles.

Like I said, I don't have any armour thickness stats or pictures for either of them yet, just some basic info. I've got a chart detailing the fleet commands and names of the vessels though, that was pretty enjoyable to make.

Mrf... this is what reminds me that I should be playing as WoS.

Sadly I know little about how capital ships might have evolved into a modern NS world, but I know that WoS would not have been *quite* as incomptetent as the Americans. Phalanx would have been more quickly exposed as the joke that it is... unless it was funded by Sir Henry Chaspot Wayne, in which case it would probably have lasted until he died.

Anyway, it wouldn't have been, most likely.

Holy shit... over 1/5 million tonne aircraft carriers? Is there any point to those? Wouldn't you be better having two large carriers to each of those? Maybe it'll take more missiles to sink a super carrier... but will it be over 100% more? If not, it isn't worth it. And what if 150% hits don't render the super carrier dead ,but sink the bow/stern enough that it is inoperable? You've lost 100% aircraft instead of 50%.

I don't know why I'm bothering... like I say, I have not really researched the forward collapse. Dra-pol's largest shipps remain the 1,400 tonne Kurosian I's. They're inferior to Beth Gellen vessels because they're generalists as required by the system. If you settled for BG frigates everything else would be dead by now. Surface, sub-surface, and air threats. All totally dead. Shame we can't afford it, eh.

Dude, lose the intermediate caliber. It's better to have 6 24" or more 16" than to have mixed calibers. Also, you start getting diminishing returns after about 17" weapons. AA weapons will be very important.

Also, what are the dimensions of this 220K ton carrier? That's huge. My biggest ship is about 75K tons. And it's a heavily armored BB almost a thousand feet long. Your carrier must be huge.

I know that in Real Life, it's not really advisable to go over 16" with ship guns, so I probably wouldn't have put the 24" guns on the Crusader Class Battleship if it wasen't for the stuff Doujin was making at the time. While my Crusader class is just what some would refer to as a "pocket battleship" and not a super-dreadnought type ship that you see some people manufacture, it seemed like even the standard sized battleships, or the maybe even the battle crusiers Doujin was making would wipe the deck with my Crusader Class unless I gave them guns in the 20 inch range. Doujin, from what I saw, seemed like a decent nation, but I could never be sure about some of the nations that purchased their ships. The Crusaders were originally based on the American Iowa Class Battleship, so I just removed some of the 16" guns to make room for the 24" guns. I wanted the 24" guns to ensure my Crusaders had atleast a chance of going toe-to-toe with Doujin designed battleships and battle cruisers. You really think I should take out the 12" guns for something else? They're on the Real Life Iowa Class in addition to its 16" guns, so I thought they had to be good for something.

As for my carriers, the Pax Magellanic Class. Well, I haven't really nailed down exact dimensions yet, but I can offer a few approximate numbers, as well as how I arrived at a displacement of around 220 thousand tons.

I arrived at the tonnage pretty simply. Since I've got the Pax Magellanics carrying 182 aircraft, and the Nimitz carries 85 and has a tonnage of 98,500 tons according to here:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Nimitz_class_aircraft_carrier

I just doubled the displacement for the Nimitz and then added a bit. I'm thinking of the Pax Magellanic as having a catamaran hull, although I'm not totally commited to that - I've never said that IC in an RP. It's just something floating around in my mind. Extrapolating numbers from the Nimitiz, I'd put the size of the Pax Magellanic Class Carriers at around 630-680 metres long, I'm not really sure yet. I guess that be around 2000 feet, give or take a few hundred feet. I'm not very good with imperial measurements.

Admittedly, I'm not very experienced at RPing, but with a population of 3.4 billion, a frightening economy and a defense budget that some of the online calculators peg at over 10 trillion US dollars, I think I can afford beasts like the Pax Magellanics. I know it might seem a bit weird that someone with my postcount can claim to have ships like that, but I figure that if Doujin had a population of less than 2 thirds of mine and could build ships that carried 200 fighters and doubled as battleships, than the Democratic Colonies could certainly manage to build ships like the Pax Magellanic Class.

The Carrier sounds pretty much right I guess. Iowa does not have 12" guns in addition to 16", whoever told you that was lying, unless I misunderstood you. You definitely want to lose the intermediate caliber though. That's what the dreadnought revolution was about. Intermediate calibers are useless because your battles will mainly be fought at ranges too great for them, and having less heavy caliber guns decreases the chance of you getting a hit. Iowa, for instance, has only 16" guns as its main armament, the next biggest size weapon is the 5".

I generally do not RP with nations that use Doujins because I consider them future-tech. I try to be realistic in my designs (though my Ithtyr/Valkyrie class BC is a bet of a megalomaniac design). Even my biggest carrier is not over 1000 feet. By RL standards, my ships are huge. By NS standards, they seem to be fairly puny.

If you don't have springstyle downloaded I highly recommend it. once you've learned to use that, springsharp, which is a more detailed program, shouldn't be hard to learn.

The Special Forces of hte UVV Conglomerate are issued with the same weapons as the standard helicoptor strike soldiers, which are as follows:

(Squads are of 6 men each)

1 Man per squad with a M249 machine gun and a P-90
1 Man per squad with a Streetsweeper shotgun and a P-90
1 Man per squad with a Stinger SAM and a P-90
2 Men per squad with XM8 Assault Rifles and P-90s
1 Sergeant per Squad with a XM8, a P-90, and a Browning high-power

All have 3 reloads for each of their weapons, 1 extra Stinger Missile, and 1000 extra rounds for the M249.

The Carrier sounds pretty much right I guess. Iowa does not have 12" guns in addition to 16", whoever told you that was lying, unless I misunderstood you. You definitely want to lose the intermediate caliber though. That's what the dreadnought revolution was about. Intermediate calibers are useless because your battles will mainly be fought at ranges too great for them, and having less heavy caliber guns decreases the chance of you getting a hit. Iowa, for instance, has only 16" guns as its main armament, the next biggest size weapon is the 5".

springstyle

After reading back through our posts and rechecking my stats, I think I've found where our misunderstanding is coming from. I think you first misread a part of the stats, but then when you asked about it, I didn't catch that you misread and then said 12" when I meant 5".

The armament for my Crusader Class Battleship is as follows:

4 x 24" guns
6 x 16" guns
12 x 5" guns

I think you thought I had 12" guns, but what I really have is twelve 5" guns. I'm sorry about the misunderstanding.

I'm looking into Springstyle now, I just downloaded it. I'm reading the guide for it now, it looks pretty interesting. Thanks for pointing out the program to me, I didn't know something like this was available.

Some of the Weapons used by the Beta Aurigae VII Spec-Ops are as follows:

Primary Weapons:

XM29 OCIW Assault Rifle
Caliber: 5.56mm
Weight: 6.8kg
Length: 890mm
Magazine Capacity: 30
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as40-e.htm

Or

XM8 Assault Rifle
Caliber: 5.56mm
Weight: 2.8kg
Length: 750mm
Magazine Capacity: 30
http://www.world.guns.ru/assault/as61-e.htm

Secondary Weapons:

HK USP Expert
Caliber: 9mm
Weight: 865g
Length: 224mm
Magazine Capacity: 18
http://www.heckler-koch.de/html/english/behoerden/01_pistols/01_07_index.html

Or

Walther P99 QA
Caliber: 9mm
Weight: 708g
Length: 175mm
Magazine Capacity: 16
http://www.waltheramerica.com/p99qa.htm

Sniper Rifles:

Barrett M82A3
Caliber: 12.7mm
Weight: 12.9kg
Length: 1448mm
Magazine Capacity: 10
http://www.world.guns.ru/sniper/sn02-e.htm

Misc.:

Land Warrior (modified to work with both the XM-8 and OCIW)
http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/land/land-warrior.htm

Walther P99 Tactical Knife
http://www.waltheramerica.com/ShoppingBag.cfm?ProductID=268&ctgr=5

Weapons also depend on the nature of the mission.

OOC: strokes his newly delivered Doujin class mwahaahaha my pretty you are beautiful in your massiveness, its just a shame yopua re too big to ever actually use.

Democratic Colonies:
For you massive carrier i would say go with C-130s over C-2s, you will have nice big hanger spaces to store them and they will be able take off and land without a problem (seeing as they managed to do it perfectly well on US navy carriers in the 1960s the program was aborted because of political support for the C-2). If youa re going to biuld mega carriers you might aswell use aircraft that stand a chance of supplying thier requirements...

As to the SA80 vs M16/M4, it is interesting that in Afghanistan and Iraq the improved L85A2 has actually had fewer reported faults and a signifcantly higher approval rating than american weapons. Yes the back story to the SA80 is lamentable (although the EM2 was a totally different gun, the SA80 is based somewhat on Stoner's Ar18) but no worse than issues surrounding other weapons. Incidentially the G3 which biult HK reputation was actually designed in spain and was onyl selected as the belguins refused to sell germany a license for the FN-FAL, which in turn was originally designed for the rather impressive 7mm/.280 british round.

IC:

While the Crookfur Special forces use a wide rnage of common equipment perhaps the msot unique weapon they use is the S15A3 scout rifle.

Generally issued to forward recon elements of Crookfurs light, marine and airborne forces the S15A3 has been very accepted by the Specail service sections. Based on the old SMLE no5 jungle carbine the S15A3 retains all the reliability and ruggedness of that famous weapon while being chambered for the world beating 6.25mm Crookfur round and featuring a top grade match barrel for fearsoem accuracy. Put together the S15A3 offers truely exceptional accuracy and power in an extremely compact size.

http://www.meatballs.terminator.org.uk/crookfur/images/s15a3.jpg

[Crookfur, just 1 Doujin class? I'm about to launch 6 Gehenna class SDVs (a variant of the Doujin class.)]

[yep just the one, really have no need for it and my navy is extremely ressitant to buying things we don't get any production share on]

Stuff I use for Spec Ops-

XM-8 Carbine-
Caliber:
5.56 x 45mm NATO
Weight:
5.7 lbs objective
Overall Length:
33.3 inches (carbine stock extended)
Barrel Length:
Assault: 12.5"
Sharpshooter: 20.0"
Compact: 9.0"
Automatic Rifle: 20.0"
Rate of Fire:
Cyclic - 750 rpm
Sustained - 85 rpm up to 210 rounds
Rate of Twist:
1 in 7 inches
Barrel Life:
20,000 rounds mininum
Muzzle Velocity:
3005 feet/second (M855 Ball) with 20" barrel
2675 feet/second with 12.5" barrel
2365 feet/second with 9.0" barrel
Magazine Capacity:
10 or 30 rounds (magazines can be nested together); 100 round drum available
Stock:
5 position adjustable for length
Bayonet Lug:
Yes (12.5 & 20" barrels)
Bipod Interface:
Yes (20" only)
Sighting System:
Fully integrated red dot with laser illuminator and pointer

Grenadier Weapon-XM29 OICW

Specs are same as above, only with attached grenade launcher.

Squad Automatic Weapon-M60E4 LMG

Caliber 7.62mm NATO Length
Max Effective Range 1100 meters (1200 yds) M60E4 (LMG)
Max Range 3725 meters (4075 yds) (short Barrel) 958mm (37.7 in)
Muzzle Velocity 853 m/s (2800 fps) (Long Barrel 1077mm (42.4 in)
Rate of Fire (cyclic) 500-650 rounds per minute (Assault Barrel) 940mm (37.0 in)
Weight M60E4 (Mounted) 1105mm (43.5 in)
M60E4 (LMG) M60E4 (Coax) 1074mm (42.3 in)
(Short Barrel) 10.2 kg (22.5 lbs)
(Long Barrel) 10.5 kg (23.1 lbs) Width
(Assault Barrel) 9.9 kg (21.3 lbs) M60E4 (LMG) 120mm (4.8 in)
M60E4 (Mounted) 10.7 kg (22.7 lbs) M60E4 (Mounted) 149mm (5.9 in)
M60E4 (Coax) 9.6 kg (21.2 lbs) M60E4 (Coax) 120mm (4.8 in)

Sniper Weapon-Springfield Armory M25

Caliber:7.62x51mm NATO (.308 Win.)
Capacity:20 or 5 round detachable box magazine
Mechanism:Rotating bolt, gas operated, air cooled,
semi-automatic magazine fed rifle
Weight:10.8 lbs (4.9kg)
Length:44.3" (112.5cm)
Barrel:Match Grade, Heavy Contour, 22", 1:11 RH twist
Stock:McMillan Fiberglass, glass bedded.
Trigger Pull:Specially tuned 4 1/2 pound matchtwo-stage military trigger
Sight:Typically B&L 10x Tactical (Leupolds are also used)
Max Effective Range:900 m (983yards)

Sidearm-H&K Mk.23 SOCOM

Caliber .45 ACP
Ammunition Feed Staggered magazines;
10- or 12-round capacity
Rifling Polygonal bore, right hand twist
Sight Radius 7.76 inches (197mm)
Weight: with empty magazine 2.66 pounds (1.21 kg)
Weight: with loaded
12-rd magazine 3.47 pounds (1.576 kg)
Barrel length 5.87 inches (149mm)
Overall length 9.65 inches (245mm)
Width 1.53 inches (38.8mm)
Height 5.90 inches (150mm)

Camo Pattern- USMC MARPATs

OOC: strokes his newly delivered Doujin class mwahaahaha my pretty you are beautiful in your massiveness, its just a shame yopua re too big to ever actually use.

Democratic Colonies:
For you massive carrier i would say go with C-130s over C-2s, you will have nice big hanger spaces to store them and they will be able take off and land without a problem (seeing as they managed to do it perfectly well on US navy carriers in the 1960s the program was aborted because of political support for the C-2). If youa re going to biuld mega carriers you might aswell use aircraft that stand a chance of supplying thier requirements...


IC:
We'd like to thank you greatly for your suggestion. After reviewing the performance numbers of the C-2 and the C-130J, we've concluded that the C-130s are the much better carrier-bourne cargo solution. We appriciate the valuable advice you've given us.

OOC:
Thanks for the suggestion. I started with the C-2 simply because that's what the Americans use on the Nimitizes. With my Pax Magellanics being so much bigger then the Nimitzes though, there's really no reason not to go with the larger, higher performance C-130. I'd just never thought about it until now.

I guess I'd also like to mention how you people with actual Doujin Class Super-Dreadnoughts scare the crap out of me. Yes, I'm pretty damn certain one of my Colonial Battlegroups could handle a single Doujin, or even a pair of them, but one-on-one, I'd bet on one Doujin being able to defeat any two ships I've got without breaking a sweat. Heck, I'd bank on a Doujin Class being able to sink atleast three of my Crusader Class battleships while still remaining combat effective afterwards. If I ever come up against a group of multiple Doujins, unless I assembled multiple battlegroups with a dozen Pax Magellanics, I'd bug out. The damn things are probably worth thier cost just for thier intimidation factor. I never really went for the whole "Super-Dreadnought" concept, prefering dedicated super-carriers like the Pax Magellanic, but the Doujin Class, and pretty much all of the larger ships that came out of Doujin's Shipyards instill somekind of deep fear in me. They just seem like these big, hulking combat-monsters with 20 feet of titanium encasing them and guns big enough to open diners in. I always thought of my carriers as being nearly delicate compared to them, and my battleships as having armaments comparable to pop-guns when up against a Doujin Class. The ships are just plain scary - OOC anyways. IC... well, IC the Colonial Navy feels around the same way but won't really admit it. ;)

[It's refreshing to see someone admit their fear of the Doujins instead of blusteringly declaring how vulnerable the class is. Furthermore, I commend you for your sense of humor on the subject, I think most of the people feel inadequate in not being able design a ship to counter the Doujin, which when you think about it is kinda sad.]

Well, besides the fact that most sane countries don't blow their budgets on a fleet of superdreadnaughts with tons of big guns and junk, I guess they're good ships.

I bet I could sink one. Someway or another. I'd like to see one get suck in the ice...

You know? It would definately not be faced with anything near equal forces. Shore-based long range ASMs, missile boats, and submarines are what I rely on.

[When I was constructing my Gehennas it only took .36% of my budget each year they were under construction. Upkeep's going to be an entirely different story, but with the recent budget increase it won't be a burden.]

IC:
We'd like to thank you greatly for your suggestion. After reviewing the performance numbers of the C-2 and the C-130J, we've concluded that the C-130s are the much better carrier-bourne cargo solution. We appriciate the valuable advice you've given us.

OOC:
Thanks for the suggestion. I started with the C-2 simply because that's what the Americans use on the Nimitizes. With my Pax Magellanics being so much bigger then the Nimitzes though, there's really no reason not to go with the larger, higher performance C-130. I'd just never thought about it until now.

I guess I'd also like to mention how you people with actual Doujin Class Super-Dreadnoughts scare the crap out of me. Yes, I'm pretty damn certain one of my Colonial Battlegroups could handle a single Doujin, or even a pair of them, but one-on-one, I'd bet on one Doujin being able to defeat any two ships I've got without breaking a sweat. Heck, I'd bank on a Doujin Class being able to sink atleast three of my Crusader Class battleships while still remaining combat effective afterwards. If I ever come up against a group of multiple Doujins, unless I assembled multiple battlegroups with a dozen Pax Magellanics, I'd bug out. The damn things are probably worth thier cost just for thier intimidation factor. I never really went for the whole "Super-Dreadnought" concept, prefering dedicated super-carriers like the Pax Magellanic, but the Doujin Class, and pretty much all of the larger ships that came out of Doujin's Shipyards instill somekind of deep fear in me. They just seem like these big, hulking combat-monsters with 20 feet of titanium encasing them and guns big enough to open diners in. I always thought of my carriers as being nearly delicate compared to them, and my battleships as having armaments comparable to pop-guns when up against a Doujin Class. The ships are just plain scary - OOC anyways. IC... well, IC the Colonial Navy feels around the same way but won't really admit it. ;)

just happy to help, since i first saw the info on the C130 trials i ahve toyed with using them but skipped them and went straight for A400Ms for my airfroce so i went for AN-74s as my carrier based cargo planes (and converted my old C-2s into carrier based gunships..., nothing too fancy just a couple of M230s and a GAU-19...).

The chances of ever meeting mutiple Doujins are very slim, i bought one as a final defensive option and the only time you would get a reasonable chance of more than one in an offensive oepration would be a massed OMP armada...

And yes they are sinkable, its just expensive to do so...

The chances of ever meeting mutiple Doujins are very slim, i bought one as a final defensive option and the only time you would get a reasonable chance of more than one in an offensive oepration would be a massed OMP armada...

And yes they are sinkable, its just expensive to do so...

[Or he could have the misfortune of pissing me off, but in that case he would have more to worry about than just my Gehennas (modified Doujins). After all, they are fleet flagships.]

[Doujin classes are big floating targets, SS. I'm still waiting on you to act. on GECSW.]

Mrf... this is what reminds me that I should be playing as WoS.

Sadly I know little about how capital ships might have evolved into a modern NS world, but I know that WoS would not have been *quite* as incomptetent as the Americans. Phalanx would have been more quickly exposed as the joke that it is... unless it was funded by Sir Henry Chaspot Wayne, in which case it would probably have lasted until he died.

Anyway, it wouldn't have been, most likely.

Holy shit... over 1/5 million tonne aircraft carriers? Is there any point to those? Wouldn't you be better having two large carriers to each of those? Maybe it'll take more missiles to sink a super carrier... but will it be over 100% more? If not, it isn't worth it. And what if 150% hits don't render the super carrier dead ,but sink the bow/stern enough that it is inoperable? You've lost 100% aircraft instead of 50%.

I don't know why I'm bothering... like I say, I have not really researched the forward collapse. Dra-pol's largest shipps remain the 1,400 tonne Kurosian I's. They're inferior to Beth Gellen vessels because they're generalists as required by the system. If you settled for BG frigates everything else would be dead by now. Surface, sub-surface, and air threats. All totally dead. Shame we can't afford it, eh.

I beg to differ when it comes to your comments on everything being dead.

Before the new style of RP, I operated upwards of 800 missile boats/corvettes, and a good 40 large surface combatants. The Son House class corvette can engage anything- surface, air, or submarine- and can go faster than anything currently in East Asia of similar capability. While its high unit cost severely limits the amount of vessels in navy service, its speed, reliability, and stealth characteristics allow it to engage enemy surface vessels with or without a missile boat screen.

As for my missile boats, the Buddy Guy class coastal defense corvette, while not as fast, heavily armed, or stealthy as the Son House, is still very well equipped and can easily compete with Drapoel missile boats, even in unfavorable numbers.

The Buddy Guy carries eight RBS-15F missiles, with a 200km+ range, as well as RBU-4000 ASROC weaponry for dealing with submarines. Two MDG-351 CIWS mounts provide more than ample protection against other missiles and watercraft within a range of several kilometers, and an SA-N-20 SAM system provides air defense within a 25-30km radius. Equipped with retractable hydrofoils, the corvette can take advantage of calm seas to boost its speed, and still operate in bad conditions with a high dergee of safety, due to robust, composite construction, watertight compartments, and self-righting equipment.

While not quite able to match the Son House's 55 knot speed, it can still make a good 45 on the foils and a good 34 off. And while not being stealth, it still has a comprehensive countermeasures suite.

Cheap to build, easy to maintain, and simple to conceal, the Buddy Guy would probably be the biggest surface threat to Dra-pol naval operations in the sea of Japan. Another major advantage possessed by LRRN craft over many of their counterparts is their long range. Equipped with hybrid drives, LRRN missile craft and corvettes can travel very long distances and stay out on long patrols without needing much fuel. Also, they are not simple stopgap vessels as they are in other countries' navies, but rather the focus of LRR naval attention.

And I've got tons of barges equipped with battleship guns...

So, how did you like that little egotistical rant?

The Doujin Class are exactly the sort of stupid thing that made me start playing with a realistic population. They're utterly fricking absurd, I don't care how hard you try to justify them. If they'd ever been used against Dra-pol, we would just have ohmyfuckinggodblastedthemtothemaxorzwiththreehundredthousandnuclearkamikazesintheoldskoolstylzorz! and that would have been no fun.

Anyway, the missile boats... they wouldn't have been sent... under the old system, analyists would have recognised long ago that Korea was Dra-pol's whether anyone else liked it or not, and no administration with a sense of self-preservation or humanity would have allowed the deployment of troops knowing that they were going to die or be captured to a man. That's not to say that LRR missile boats, for example, couldn't have caused heavy casualties, but it would have been recognised that no, there's no point.

A lot of those LRR missile boats are individually more capable than their Drapoel opponents... but the Drapoel machine doesn't care. The LRR boats carry more missiles and have more facets to their defence, but one missile will still sink one ship.. and once one ship is gone, all of its missiles are gone. They can't weild their advantage any more. The Drapoel system makes more sense because it is less humane, sadly.

Anyway, I dont't want to sound too much like i'm defending this, because i've abandoned it anyway. IT was stupid. The CPRD's special forces were bigger than most people's armies, and using the NS population we could support it without godmodding, and I could have walked across Asia bit by bit, and it was pointless, because anyone could have played this nation and done the same. Sorry, I can't clean this post up and make it sensible, my PC is *****ing awful and it has taken me about half an hour to type this... the buffer can't seem to keep up. Jesus.

Our special forces weapon of choice is the Groza
OC-14 Groza
Caliber 9x39 (the army uses the same weapon, but chambered in 7,62x39 aka 7,62 soviet)
Action:Gas operated, rotating bolt with 2 lugs
Length: 700mm
weight: 3,2 kg
magazine: 20 rounds (30 in 7,62 version)
standard Groza (http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/59012/groza1.jpg)
Special forces version (http://home.ripway.com/2004-1/59012/groza2.jpg)

Anyway, the missile boats... they wouldn't have been sent... under the old system, analyists would have recognised long ago that Korea was Dra-pol's whether anyone else liked it or not, and no administration with a sense of self-preservation or humanity would have allowed the deployment of troops knowing that they were going to die or be captured to a man. That's not to say that LRR missile boats, for example, couldn't have caused heavy casualties, but it would have been recognised that no, there's no point.

A lot of those LRR missile boats are individually more capable than their Drapoel opponents... but the Drapoel machine doesn't care. The LRR boats carry more missiles and have more facets to their defence, but one missile will still sink one ship.. and once one ship is gone, all of its missiles are gone. They can't weild their advantage any more. The Drapoel system makes more sense because it is less humane, sadly.

Anyway, I dont't want to sound too much like i'm defending this, because i've abandoned it anyway. IT was stupid. The CPRD's special forces were bigger than most people's armies, and using the NS population we could support it without godmodding, and I could have walked across Asia bit by bit, and it was pointless, because anyone could have played this nation and done the same. Sorry, I can't clean this post up and make it sensible, my PC is *****ing awful and it has taken me about half an hour to type this... the buffer can't seem to keep up. Jesus.


Well, the idea was to be able to destroy more of your boats at a longer range, and get away faster. I mean, my ships are not just these little slapped-together deals, but are the backbone of my navy. Now granted, they probably could not stop the entire Dra-pol navy so far from their air, land-based missile, and submarine support, but they could probably blow a lot to pieces and take relatively light losses in the process.

And I dunno...with a bunch of countries against you, a good deal of those more powerful economically and militarily, coupled with the Dra-pol army's shabby logistics and minimal overseas support would probably overextend you to the point where any advance could be better dealt with. For example, if you ever faced the bulk of the LRRA, in its own terrain, with full air and naval support, the UPA would be in serious trouble. Long-range artillery, ATGMs, and rocketry would be thrown against the UPA, in much larger numbers than in Korea, as well as large amounts of very capable and heavily armed armored vehicles, and reasonably equipped militia units.

Considering their existence has only ever been hinted at in a few RPs you’re all going to have to take the following as privileged & especially OOC information.
The ISDF operates a single unit of special forces, split up in to troops of speciality, thus focusing all resources into a single command and avoiding the needless waste encountered by each branch of the armed forces having its own special forces.
The primary weapon of choice, when a local alternative is either not required or not available, is the indigenously designed & produced AKIN:

Calibre: 5.56x45mm
Action: Gas operated, rotating bolt
Overall Length: 997mm (776mm folded stock)
Barrel Length: 449mm
Weight: 4.06kg
Magazine Capacity: 30 Rounds
Rate of Fire: Approximately 650 rounds per minute
Effective Range: 500 Metres - Assisted Sighting
Muzzle Velocity: 985 m/s

Incorporating some of the best features from both AK & M16 families, leading to a functionally effective rifle, which whilst not a superior firearm to the AK family in terms of sheer reliability is at least a competitor. Main comments directed towards the AKIN, known affectionately as an (Achin‘) due to the somewhat uncomfortable results from prolonged use of the weapon, are its slightly limited ability to accept new roles. Hopes to expand the AKIN in to a series of weapons has proved unsuccessful to date, though its use as a semi-automatic tactical accuracy rifle has been widely reported by users and has been accomplished without the need for adaptation, the possibility of building upon such reports is promising.

Should the need to operate abroad occur and the deployment be in one of the many Kalashnikov nations then the AEK971 proves more than acceptable for operations, building upon the requirements of the original AKs - reliability, simplicity of operation and maintenance, suitability for mass production. The AEK971 was selected over the AN-94 Abakan due to the AEK971s superior accuracy in fully automatic medium & long burst fire mode, being slightly lighter as well as simpler & cheaper to manufacture.

Sidearms are a matter of personal selection, though a squad commander & higher ranking officers can enforce a choice. This option has never been used due to boost in moral soldiers receive in being given this small freedom, all weapons they do select must pass basic muster though.

I want to do a post on my nations custom firearms, but I have no idea in heck what half of this stuff means... Is there anybody that wouldn't mind explaining this a lil bit?

I want to do a post on my nations custom firearms, but I have no idea in heck what half of this stuff means... Is there anybody that wouldn't mind explaining this a lil bit?


What sort stuff do you want help with? feel free to send me a TG with questions and i'll try my best to explain the stuff i have a clue about.

Adrica's world-class special forces being the backbone of our practically nonexistant army (completely unofficial and unsubstantiated rumors indicate), they have access to pretty much anything they want. We do maintain (so they say, although of course we are a peace loving nation who would never engage in this kind of secret, unconventional warfare) a standing, well maintained arsenal that ensures that every 10-member Theta-13 Control Group has access to, at the group leader's discretion and on hour's notice, the following items:

Note: Given the amount of freedom given T13 CGs, it'd be a bit silly to list all the nitty-gritty details about every gun here. You can look most of it (all the non-modified stuff) up on http://world.guns.ru/.

Per man (one available for all ten members):

Assault Rifles:
M16A4 (2 prepared for underslung M203)
M4A1 SOPMOD (3 prepared for underslung M203)
AK47 and AK74SU
TT29 (Stripped down, slightly modified FN F2000 with computerized optics- 4 include underslung 40mm grenade launcher)

SMGs:
FN P90
H&K MP5SD3
Thompson M1/M1928

Handguns:
M9
H&K Mk23
FN 5-7

Two per squad:

Machine Guns:
FN Minimi SPW
RPK-74
XM312

Greadish:
RPG-7 (varied payloads available)
XM29 OICW

Sniper Rifles:
Walther WA2000
VSS Vintorez
SVD Dragunov
M21

One per squad:

Anti-Armor rifles:
Steyr IWS 2000
Barrett M82A3 OR M95


Of course individual group members are allowed to carry whatever they like, at the group leader's discretion. Note that this is a list of what is available to deploy to the T13 at any time. The group leader can requisition whatever they like, although this can take as long as weeks for particularly difficult to acquire equipment.


I know some of you are going to question the logistics of having that much constantly maintained, so I'll just say this: You can achieve miracles if you focus your entire military might on special forces.

Oh, and certain undisclosed CG leaders would like to express their amused disapproval of those who profess a "weapon of choice". There is no weapon for every Spec-Ops situation. You sillies.