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Official Statement From Emperor Antonius I

As Emperor, I am hereby issuing a statement to the International community in defense of Generia against accusations made by the nation of IDF. On multiple occasions, IDF has publicly bullied and threatened the Generic Empire for doing little more than argue against an act that would make national government-backed piracy in International waters legal. See here:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358023&page=1&pp=15

IDF has gone so far as to close the Suez canal to legal Imperial Generian shipping. This is an aggressive action based on no aggressive actions taken by the Empire.

IDF calls Generia a warmongering state, especially relating to the recent incident in Psov. This is a lie. We do not fight needless wars. Generia was acting in order to stop a pending Psovian invasion. Generia later pulled out with minimal loss of life on all sides, and offered compensation for damages done. This is not the policy of a warmongering government.

IDF claims that it is taking these actions because Generia refused to compensate IDF for loss of IDF soldiers in this Psovian conflict. This is not true. As we have already stated, Generia offered full compensation to all parties involved. However, it is not Generia’s responsibility to ensure the safety and well being of enemy soldiers. IDF struck at Generian forces, and the attacked Generian soldiers and fleets responded in kind. It was IDF’s choice to put his men in harm’s way, not ours.

If the previous government’s totalitarianism is the reason for this aggressive stance, we remind you that the Empire is under new management, and that the mental health of an old ruler was the reason for many apparently insane acts. We urge you to consider my reforms:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357203

Having made this argument, Generia will now issue a formal statement to the government of IDF:

If the government of IDF continues to bully and harass the government of the Generic Empire, it will mean war. There are no alternatives. We ask that the Suez canal be reopened to Imperial shipping, and we demand that you cease your policy of boarding sovereign vessels in International waters.

ITD does not recognize IDF's claim to the Suez Canal. We condemn any action he takes in limiting free and open trade, especially since he is hosting a conference on the issue of free and open trade. Generic Empire is free to pass through ITD waters, if an when they sail near.

Arribastan supports Generic Empire in this matter. If IDF continues to act aggressively, however, you should not attack. That would be the act of a warmongering nation. Simply cut off trade with IDF, and urge other nations to do so. In light of IDF's aggressiveness, the world will hopefully not turn a blind eye. Arribastan refuses to acknowledge IDF's ownership of the Suez Canal. It belongs to all nations.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

As member of the TBA alliance, and ally of Generic Empire, The Sultanate supports Generic Empire in any way it can. I may have free passage through Inkanan waters if needed.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Public Statement on Situation

The Republic of Al Anbar condemns IDF aggression against the Generic Empire. We will support the Generic Empire in any conflicts that the IDF should cause.

Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Secret Message to Generic Empire

The Republic of Al Anbar, as you know, controls the area of Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. We border the nation of IDF and will support you in any attack on the IDF. Al Anbar will allow you to base troops and use bases in Al Anbar to support your forces should war break out.

As a member of the TBA Wirraway is not only obligated but willingly throws its suppport behind the Generic Empire in its fight against the wanton hostility of IDF.

TO: The World
FROM: King 'Lude II, Mauiwowee

Mauiwowee wishes to make known its support of its friend and ally, the Generic Empire, in the dispute with IDF. The Carrier Bhang and its support ships, including the sub Kharras II have been ordered out of the Black Sea and directed to proceed to the Mediterranean for support. Mauiwowee's air base in the Generic Empire is on full alert and ready to respond to any hostilities. Mauiwowee has further ceased all trade with IDF and any IDF citizen in Mauiwowee's borders are hereby directed to exit Mauiwowee within 24 hours or risk being imprisoned. IDF is hereby directed to re-open the Suez to trade or face further sanctions.

TO: The World
FROM: King 'Lude II, Mauiwowee

Mauiwowee wishes to make known its support of its friend and ally, the Generic Empire, in the dispute with IDF. The Carrier Bhang and its support ships, including the sub Kharras II have been ordered out of the Black Sea and directed to proceed to the Mediterranean for support. Mauiwowee's air base in the Generic Empire is on full alert and ready to respond to any hostilities. Mauiwowee has further ceased all trade with IDF and any IDF citizen in Mauiwowee's borders are hereby directed to exit Mauiwowee within 24 hours or risk being imprisoned. IDF is hereby directed to re-open the Suez to trade or face further sanctions.

OOC:So the Southern Alliance throws it lot in the ring, where is Granzi, Texarkania and Turkmeny/Tokarev.

Gawd almighty. People eh? All this results from a single proposal by a guy trying to do the right thing. Then two people take opposite sides of the debate and blow it entirely out of proportion. Why don't both of you, GE and IDF, calm down for a moment?

OOC:So the Southern Alliance throws it lot in the ring, where is Granzi, Texarkania and Turkmeny/Tokarev.

OOC: I'd rather not get into this, it'll get very messy soon.

IC: The Granzian government, as headed by Prime Minister Terri Bolash, declare the Commonwealth's neutrality in this matter. We hope that the participates in this statements re-evaluate the option of diplomacy before committing themselves to a lengthy war.

OOC: I'd rather not get into this, it'll get very messy soon.

IC: The Granzian government, as headed by Prime Minister Terri Bolash, declare the Commonwealth's neutrality in this matter. We hope that the participates in this statements re-evaluate the option of diplomacy before committing themselves to a lengthy war.

Your an associate member so you have that luxury (OOC: I was wrong to speak for your nation) but I'm a member of TBA so I don't have a choice.

OOC: If this does get messy; well, I could use the RP experience.

Secret IC: A intelligence satellite has been deployed over IDF and the surrounding area. It has ELINT Capabilities as well as high definition cameras.

Why don't both of you, GE and IDF, calm down for a moment?

OOC: That wouldn't make a fun RP, though, would it? ;)

Generic empire and Roach-Busters's friendship has stood the test of time. The alliance we forged is a tried-and-true, dyed-in-the-wool, bona fide partnership transcending even the closest of friendships. We will not back away when one of our oldest and staunchest of allies is being blatantly smeared by a rogue nation. Thus, Roach-Busters supports Generic empire 100% regardless of where this conflict may lead.

Sarzonia condemns this quick prelude to war on the part of the rogue's gallery that calls itself Generic Empire and we call for calmer heads to prevail in this international dispute.

Mark Lorber
Senior Vice President for External Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

If the government of IDF continues to bully and harass the government of the Generic Empire, it will mean war. There are no alternatives. We ask that the Suez canal be reopened to Imperial shipping, and we demand that you cease your policy of boarding sovereign vessels in International waters.

In addition, IDF will also face the wrath of Roach-Busters.

OOC:So the Southern Alliance throws it lot in the ring, where is Granzi, Texarkania and Turkmeny/Tokarev.

Communique to Wirraway: Actually, Lord Wacko of Texarkania is here at The 50 Annual Death Penalty Games (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350034) and is being briefed on the situation. Norleans, as our puppet, of course agrees with this position and has directed the following statement be issued:

TO: IDF
FROM: "Uncle" Duke Huey P. Long, III, Norleans

Please be advised that until and unless the Suez canal is opened to free shipping and the hostile actions against the Generic Empire cease, the Mississippi River and the ports of New Orleans, Louisiana and Mobile, Alabama will be closed to your shipping. Your boats will be subjected to boarding and seizure at those ports should you attempt passage. Be aware the full force of Mauiwowee and Wirraway back us in this and that despite Granzi's neutral stance, should you attempt hostilities against Norleans he will join in a defense of the Southern Alliance.

OOC: Granzi, sorry, if you don't want to do that, just post it, but as a member of the alliance, if we're attacked directly by IDF I assumed you'd at least join in the defense of our borders. I understand your desire to remain neutral if possible, but we've got to defend our alliance and it's borders if IDF attacks us directly. OK? :)

TO: IDF
FROM: Lord Wacko, Texarkania

You'd better back off iffin' ya' know whats good fer' ya' Mauiwowee, Norleans, Texarkania, Wirraway, Rowanoke etc. are buds an' you be a' messin' with our friend, the Generic Empire. As that there poetic type cowpoke said once "the enemies of our enemies be our friends" or sumptin' like that. Anyways, back off. The port of Galveston is closed to ya'll fer now. In fact, King 'Lude of Mauiwowee jus' whispered in ma' ear, the entire Gulf of Mexico is off limits to you dudes. 'Twixt our control of Texas and Norleans control of the coast from Mobile, Alabama all the way ta' the Texarkanian border, and with support from Mauiwowee and Wirray, we's be in a position ta' make this here ban on yore shippin' stick.

Sarzonia condemns this quick prelude to war on the part of the rogue's gallery that calls itself Generic Empire and we call for calmer heads to prevail in this international dispute.

Mark Lorber
Senior Vice President for External Affairs
Incorporated States of Sarzonia

Roach-Busters respects and lauds Sarzonia's aversion to war and its sincere desire to prevent it. However, should war break out, we will not turn our back on Generia, which, like Sarzonia, is a nation we are proud to call a true friend. We sincerely hope our support of Generia does not in any way tarnish our strong relations with one of our oldest and closest friends.

OOC: Granzi, sorry, if you don't want to do that, just post it, but as a member of the alliance, if we're attacked directly by IDF I assumed you'd at least join in the defense of our borders. I understand your desire to remain neutral if possible, but we've got to defend our alliance and it's borders if IDF attacks us directly. OK? :)

[OOC: Granzi's also in NATO with IDF. You can understand why he'd want to remain neutral in that case.]

OOC: But would NATO get involved?

[OOC: Granzi's also in NATO with IDF. You can understand why he'd want to remain neutral in that case.]


OOC: O, I completely forgot about that, talk about getting caught up in en-tangling alliances.....

Roach-Busters respects and lauds Sarzonia's aversion to war and its sincere desire to prevent it. However, should war break out, we will not turn our back on Generia, which, like Sarzonia, is a nation we are proud to call a true friend. We sincerely hope our support of Generia does not in any way tarnish our strong relations with one of our oldest and closest friends.

Mauiwowee hereby joins in this sentiment to Sarzonia, a country that we too count among our friends.

[OOC: I'm also in NATO with IDF and I would have to support IDF in any escalation.]

Ministry of Foreign Affairs - Public Statement on Situation

The Republic of Al Anbar condemns IDF aggression against the Generic Empire. We will support the Generic Empire in any conflicts that the IDF should cause.

Minister of Foreign Affairs.

Secret Message to Generic Empire

The Republic of Al Anbar, as you know, controls the area of Lebanon, Syria, and Iraq. We border the nation of IDF and will support you in any attack on the IDF. Al Anbar will allow you to base troops and use bases in Al Anbar to support your forces should war break out.
You are ignored, remember you ignored me and when you strike you can't pull the ignore off. Ottoman Khaif owns that land

And you never owned Syria. Well you did for two weeks until Whittier kicked your ass.

[OOC: I'm also in NATO with IDF and I would have to support IDF in any escalation.]

Crap. I might have to withdraw. I'm willing to back GE till the bitter end, but if it involves going head-to-head with one of RB's closest friends, I definitely may have to reconsider.

[OOC: I'm also in NATO with IDF and I would have to support IDF in any escalation.]

OOC: bummer, that would mean we'd have to "make" ambassador Levine and Mr. Loerber continue as "our guests" at the Death Penalty Games in the Palace for a bit. Don't want to do that, she's a hottie and a candidate for royal marriage proposals (she seems also to like the potential queen's chambers) and Mr. Loerber is a natural diplomat, hey, that's an idea.

TO: All those involved.
FROM: King 'Lude II, Mauiwowee

Long standing friendships, alliances and trust between nations is at risk in this matter. We hereby propose to host a mediation and settlement conference between GE and IDF in Mauiwowee at which we would ask that Sarizonia's foreign affair's minister, Mark Lorber, serve as the Mediator. Please let us know if this is acceptable.

OFFICIAL IDF RESPONSE:

GE has been lying to the international community. I have much reason for this. The reasons are as follows.

1. 3,000 IDF citizens who were legally protesting were murdered by GE and Nikolaos soldiers and police. While Nikolaos did most of the killing, GE allowed it and participated in it.

2. The invasion of Psov. GE and I are in a state of war due to this. There is a cease fire, but we are still legally at war. He invaded an ally, I came to help him. GE lied about a threat against him, but the evidence is lies there.

3. GE trying to constantly counteract IDF policy. We don't like his interfenance in our legal policy and betterment of the world.

We did not take offensive action against GE here. All we did is place sanctions on him and part of the sanctions are he can't enter IDF waters and as we own Sinai and Suez we can do this.

GE is blowing it out of proportion and sees sanctions against his warmongering nation as me initiating hostilities. It is far from the truth. GE has long been chalenging IDF and her allies and someone must put a line in the sand. No one will get me to let GE shipping through Suez until the 3,000 families are compensated and the military leaders tried in IDF for war crimes.

OFFICIAL IDF RESPONSE:

GE has been lying to the international community. I have much reason for this. The reasons are as follows.

1. 3,000 IDF citizens who were legally protesting were murdered by GE and Nikolaos soldiers and police. While Nikolaos did most of the killing, GE allowed it and participated in it.

2. The invasion of Psov. GE and I are in a state of war due to this. There is a cease fire, but we are still legally at war. He invaded an ally, I came to help him. GE lied about a threat against him, but the evidence is lies there.

3. GE trying to constantly counteract IDF policy. We don't like his interfenance in our legal policy and betterment of the world.

We did not take offensive action against GE here. All we did is place sanctions on him and part of the sanctions are he can't enter IDF waters and as we own Sinai and Suez we can do this.

GE is blowing it out of proportion and sees sanctions against his warmongering nation as me initiating hostilities. It is far from the truth. GE has long been chalenging IDF and her allies and someone must put a line in the sand. No one will get me to let GE shipping through Suez until the 3,000 families are compensated and the military leaders tried in IDF for war crimes.

We repeat our offer to host a mediation conference chaired by Sarizonia

Just to clear something up I'M NOT GOING TO ATTACK ANYONE HERE! I JUST PLACED SANCTIONS ON A NATION I'M IN A STATE OF WAR WITH

Just to clear something up I'M NOT GOING TO ATTACK ANYONE HERE! I JUST PLACED SANCTIONS ON A NATION I'M IN A STATE OF WAR WITH

again, We repeat our offer to host a mediation conference chaired by Sarizonia

We also have no intention of attacking anyone and hope this can be settled.

We hereby propose to host a mediation and settlement conference between GE and IDF in Mauiwowee at which we would ask that Sarizonia's foreign affair's minister, Mark Lorber, serve as the Mediator. Please let us know if this is acceptable.

A fine idea. If GE and IDF agree to this, RB would like to attend this conference (with your permission, of course).

OOC: I'd rather not get into this, it'll get very messy soon.

IC: The Granzian government, as headed by Prime Minister Terri Bolash, declare the Commonwealth's neutrality in this matter. We hope that the participates in this statements re-evaluate the option of diplomacy before committing themselves to a lengthy war.
I understand Granzi and won't hold anything against you and I won't need you as this won't be a war unless GE fires first. I never started a Preemptive war ever and don't plan on one now.

ITD does not recognize IDF's claim to the Suez Canal. We condemn any action he takes in limiting free and open trade, especially since he is hosting a conference on the issue of free and open trade. Generic Empire is free to pass through ITD waters, if an when they sail near.
OOC: The trade conference rules are void in a time of war, GE and I are in a state of war, a war that is at cease fire, but still considered a state of war, just like with north Korea

1. 3,000 IDF citizens who were legally protesting were murdered by GE and Nikolaos soldiers and police. While Nikolaos did most of the killing, GE allowed it and participated in it.

This is a complete and utter lie. Generia NEVER fired on any IDF citizens. IDF is either purposely fabricating this, or does not remember the facts correctly. Generia never spilt the blood of any IDF civilian on any occasion.

((OOC: I'll try to get a link to that thread. IDF obviously does not remember what happened.))

TO: The World
FROM: King 'Lude II, Mauiwowee

Mauiwowee wishes to make known its support of its friend and ally, the Generic Empire, in the dispute with IDF. The Carrier Bhang and its support ships, including the sub Kharras II have been ordered out of the Black Sea and directed to proceed to the Mediterranean for support. Mauiwowee's air base in the Generic Empire is on full alert and ready to respond to any hostilities. Mauiwowee has further ceased all trade with IDF and any IDF citizen in Mauiwowee's borders are hereby directed to exit Mauiwowee within 24 hours or risk being imprisoned. IDF is hereby directed to re-open the Suez to trade or face further sanctions.
seeing as how we never traded with you before we must say bring on the sanctions

CLICK HERE AND SEE WHO THE LIAR IS NOW!!! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354466&page=2&pp=15)

Even though his ally did most of the damage, GE allowed it and encouraged it

A fine idea. If GE and IDF agree to this, RB would like to attend this conference (with your permission, of course).
I can do this. I'm not the aggresor I was on the defensive twice so I put on sanctions and GE freaks out saying it is an act of war

A fine idea. If GE and IDF agree to this, RB would like to attend this conference (with your permission, of course).

All nations involved in this matter will be invited to attend, observe and when recognized by the chair, offer their input.

King 'Lude II

All nations involved in this matter will be invited to attend, observe and when recognized by the chair, offer their input.

King 'Lude II

Thank you. We gracefully accept your generous offer.

I can do this. I'm not the aggresor I was on the defensive twice so I put on sanctions and GE freaks out saying it is an act of war

GE, IDF has agreed to mediation, will you also agree? Sarizonia, will you agree to chair the conference?

CLICK HERE AND SEE WHO THE LIAR IS NOW!!! (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=354466&page=2&pp=15)

Even though his ally did most of the damage, GE allowed it and encouraged it

Generia would like to remind IDF of three things:

1. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were responsible for the murders.

2. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were provoked by IDF protestors.

3. Generia was at the time under the rule of an Emperor who's mental health was not stable.

OOC: F-----n' A, talk about a thread taking off. this is great :)

You are ignored, remember you ignored me and when you strike you can't pull the ignore off. Ottoman Khaif owns that land

And you never owned Syria. Well you did for two weeks until Whittier kicked your ass.

OOC: Okay, IDF, listen up.

Don't be like you were when I last was here. You acknowledged I claimed the area in your post here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357834

OOC: Welcome back

IC: Secretary of State Kenny Williams

The IDF Government applauds Al Anbar in their actions to route out fundamentalism. We wish to applaud this great action that has made the whole world safer. No one wins when terrorism hijacks a nation or religion and a people into believing the best way to live it to kill yourself and your enemies.

We hope Al Anbar sets an example for all others in the region. If any intelligence is required for future operations by Al Anbar, we will be sure to provide it.

So, no. Your ignore doesn't stand. Sorry. ;)

Generia would like to remind IDF of three things:

1. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were responsible for the murders.

2. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were provoked by IDF protestors.

3. Generia was at the time under the rule of an Emperor who's mental health was not stable.
1. And I'd like to remind you GE police contributed to it

2. You allowed it to happen

3. You wouldn't cooperate in criminal cases

4. they weren't provoked, no violence occured, not even rock throwing

5. you attacked Psov, my ally

6. We are in a state of war as I never signed a tready beyond the cease fire and when in war sanctions are the least to be expected

7. You spit in our face when we make simple demands for compensation to the families of those you murdered

1. And I'd like to remind you GE police contributed to it

2. You allowed it to happen

This is not true. Imperial police were not on scene. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were handling the situation. We cannot be blamed for their actions. They were not under Imperial command. Think about it.


7. You spit in our face when we make simple demands for compensation to the families of those you murdered

As we have already stated, compensation was offered to any and all nations that participated in the conflict.

I was just posting to see what you'd do. You IGNORED me in March or April, plus Whittier beat you and you lost the lands.

OOC: I'm sorry, but no. You can't weasel out of it now.

Secondly, I lost Saudi Arabia and Kuwait, nothing else. Al Anbar remained intact.

I was just posting to see what you'd do. You IGNORED me in March or April, plus Whittier beat you and you lost the lands.

plus Ottoman Khaif owns that land, not you. IIRRAAQQII owns Iraq, not you in my world.

OOC: Nope, sorry, you acknowledged it. Too bad.

This is not true. Imperial police were not on scene. Nikalaos the Great's soldiers were handling the situation. We cannot be blamed for their actions. They were not under Imperial command. Think about it.

they were allowed in their actions without interfenence from your government who could've stopped the soldiers and the police beat them and killed some of them during the end of the crisis.




As we have already stated, compensation was offered to any and all nations that participated in the conflict.

Euroslavia was offered, but I was rejected compensation\

Plus we are in a state of war so my actions are more than justified

OOC: Okay, IDF, listen up.

Don't be like you were when I last was here. You acknowledged I claimed the area in your post here: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=357834



So, no. Your ignore doesn't stand. Sorry. ;)
I was just posting to see what you'd do. You IGNORED me in March or April, plus Whittier beat you and you lost the lands.

plus Ottoman Khaif owns that land, not you. IIRRAAQQII owns Iraq, not you in my world.

Again, GE, will you agree to a mediation conference in Mauiwowee chaired by Sarizonia? Sarizonia, will you agree to chair such a conference? To much is at stake here.

Imperial police were not in the area! We could not stop them! It is not possible according to the laws of physics! Imperial soldiers cannot be in two places at once! Listen to reason.

Generia will no longer argue with this ignorant, slandering fool. Our statements shall stand. IDF is a propagandist, who holds a pointless grudge against a nation for a crime they did not commit. We hope the world will see the facts.

OOC: Nope, sorry, you acknowledged it. Too bad.
You IGNORED Me in April so I guess I don't exist according to you, know get out of this thread please.

Plus I just posted to see what you'd say. You ignored me and that is that

OOC: Granzi, sorry, if you don't want to do that, just post it, but as a member of the alliance, if we're attacked directly by IDF I assumed you'd at least join in the defense of our borders. I understand your desire to remain neutral if possible, but we've got to defend our alliance and it's borders if IDF attacks us directly. OK? :)

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OOC: I'd of course, in the case of an upprovoked attack on the Southern Alliance, come to the victim's aid. Granzi does not give it's word lightly. In this instance, however, I have conflicting loyalties, and, having gauged the situation as having no need for my attention, chose to distance myself from it. This is why I opted for an association. Of course, Granzi always supports diplomacy before arms:

IC: We urge all active participates in this conflict to attend the peace talks currently proposed by Mauiwowee. If King Lude should see it fit, we also offer the Commonwealth as a mediator for this crisis.

Nathanial Sun,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

Imperial police were not in the area! We could not stop them! It is not possible according to the laws of physics! Imperial soldiers cannot be in two places at once! Listen to reason.

Generia will no longer argue with this ignorant, slandering fool. Our statements shall stand. IDF is a propagandist, who holds a pointless grudge against a nation for a crime they did not commit. We hope the world will see the facts.
you are ignoring the fact that I took no offensive action against you despite the fact we are in a state of war

Enough is enough. Both sides, I would suggest, should back down from the walls they're ascending and be reasonable. How's this:

Generia, regardless of your protestations - which can hardly be deemed the most trustworthy or honest of sources - you must accept that, whether through deliberate action or omission of action, or negligence, your personnel fired upon IDF civilians and accordingly you must pay compensation to them.

You must also accept that you attacked Psov and must accept responsibility for your actions there also. There has been, to date, no evidence offered for your argument that Psov was to make an attack upon you.

IDF, you must begin allowing Generic Empire ships through the Suez. You can search them for war material in your waters, but nothing else.

You must also undertake that once an appropriate sum of compensation is paid, you will no longer agitate Generia over this matter.

OOC: I'd of course, in the case of an upprovoked attack on the Southern Alliance, come to the victim's aid. Granzi does not give it's word lightly. In this instance, however, I have conflicting loyalties, and, having gauged the situation as having no need for my attention, chose to distance myself from it. This is why I opted for an association. Of course, Granzi always supports diplomacy before arms:

IC: We urge all active participates in this conflict to attend the peace talks currently proposed by Mauiwowee. If King Lude should see it fit, we also offer the Commonwealth as a mediator for this crisis.

Nathanial Sun,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

We have no objection to Granzi serving as a co-mediator with Sarizonia if no one else does, or, if Sarizonia declines to mediate, allowing Granzi to serve as the mediator. We have nominated these countries as they seem to be in a conflicted situation and can therefore be trusted to try and balance all competing interests since if they failed to do otherwise it would result in their involvement in a conflict where no matter what side they chose, they would lose in the long run.

OOC: So much for mediatiation this incident is spiralling out of control.....

The Iron Concordait hopes for a peaceful conclusion to this incident, a war between IDF and Generia could involve much of the NS world and cause more deaths than ever before. We trust both sides to work out their differences diplomatically.

some where in this thread I'm ignored by Al Anbar, you have to read a while though and I lack the time to search it (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=318637)

Again, GE, will you agree to a mediation conference in Mauiwowee chaired by Sarizonia? Sarizonia, will you agree to chair such a conference? To much is at stake here.

Unless IDF will understand that his claims against me are worthless, as they are the work of another nation then I feel that the talks will be worthless.

Enough is enough. Both sides, I would suggest, should back down from the walls they're ascending and be reasonable. How's this:

Generia, regardless of your protestations - which can hardly be deemed the most trustworthy or honest of sources - you must accept that, whether through deliberate action or omission of action, or negligence, your personnel fired upon IDF civilians and accordingly you must pay compensation to them.

You must also accept that you attacked Psov and must accept responsibility for your actions there also. There has been, to date, no evidence offered for your argument that Psov was to make an attack upon you.

IDF, you must begin allowing Generic Empire ships through the Suez. You can search them for war material in your waters, but nothing else.

You must also undertake that once an appropriate sum of compensation is paid, you will no longer agitate Generia over this matter.

I can't exactly let his ships through as we are in a state of war. This is how sanctions work, Suez gives me trading leverage during the talks. If GE goes through with them he will be able to have free access of civilian and commercial shipping in Suez and IDF waters, but this is my only card to get him to the talks and get compensation

Generia, regardless of your protestations - which can hardly be deemed the most trustworthy or honest of sources - you must accept that, whether through deliberate action or omission of action, or negligence, your personnel fired upon IDF civilians and accordingly you must pay compensation to them.

My personnel were not there!

Honestly, can you not see the facts? There were no Imperial soldiers! The men were of Nikalaos the Great. IDF should demand compensation from Greece, not Generia.

Again, GE, will you agree to a mediation conference in Mauiwowee chaired by Sarizonia? Sarizonia, will you agree to chair such a conference? To much is at stake here.

If there is to be such a conference, Sarzonia would be glad to chair it.

My personnel were not there!

Honestly, can you not see the facts? There were no Imperial soldiers! The men were of Nikalaos the Great. IDF should demand compensation from Greece, not Generia.
Generia had a role and you are responsible for foreign soldiers you invite to your nation. You could easily stop them, but chose not to. Your police had a role in the deaths too towards the end

Alright then, you personnel were responsible by negligence, omission of action (intentional or not) or plain stupidity for the deaths of IDF civilians. And if you touch that trigger I'll splatter you all over the planet, OK? Just get talking.

Unless IDF will understand that his claims against me are worthless, as they are the work of another nation then I feel that the talks will be worthless.

Maybe he will agree they are worthless, maybe the talks will be worthless, then again, maybe you'll see there is some merit to his claims and the talks will work. If they fail, no one is any worse off than they are now, if they work, then all out war is avoided. However, unless and until you both calm down and stop shouting at each other, no one will know because we'll have a regional, even possibly world wide, war on our hands. Millions will die, and for what? 3,000 uncompensated civilizian deaths and the right to push ships through the Suez? Are those two things worth 10's of millions of innocent people and the untold suffering of millions more? Please, give the conference a chance.

Respectfully,
King 'Lude II

The Imperial government has decided to agree to a peace conference in the nation of Mauiwowee. We warn you, however, that our finger is still on the trigger.

Maybe he will agree they are worthless, maybe the talks will be worthless, then again, maybe you'll see there is some merit to his claims and the talks will work. If they fail, no one is any worse off than they are now, if they work, then all out war is avoided. However, unless and until you both calm down and stop shouting at each other, no one will know because we'll have a regional, even possibly world wide, war on our hands. Millions will die, and for what? 3,000 uncompensated civilizian deaths and the right to push ships through the Suez? Are those two things worth 10's of millions of innocent people and the untold suffering of millions more? Please, give the conference a chance.

Respectfully,
King 'Lude II

Elegantly put and hopefully taken to heart.

The imperial government has decided to agree to a peace conference in the nation of Mauiwowee. We warn you, however, that our finger is still on the trigger.
IC: our finger isn't on the trigger as we aren't the warmongers here. GE don't try and do anything. I'm not going to attack 1st and never have. I just want to assure you of that, but if you attack first don't expect me to lie down

OOC: Do you want to do the conference here or start another thread? I'll fire it up if you wish.

Alright then, you personnel were responsible by negligence, omission of action (intentional or not) or plain stupidity for the deaths of IDF civilians. And if you touch that trigger I'll splatter you all over the planet, OK? Just get talking.

Threaten me again, and talking will not save anything. Do not push The Empire.

OOC: what is it with the forums today?

IC: we'll go to the talks as soon as a thread is set up

President Mike Sarzo was about to pick up his cell phone and light into the emperor of Generia. Before he could flip the phone open and punch the digits in, he took a deep breath.

Things are already spiraling out of control here, he thought. I'd just make things worse if I start yelling. He took another deep breath and called the Generian emperor.

When he got through, Sarzo said, "I'll get right to the point.

"I strongly advise you to go to Mauiwowee to the talks with IDF without any further threats of your fingers being on the trigger," Sarzo said. "That comment tells me you are anything but serious about a peaceful solution to this conflict between you and IDF.

"This conflict can be resolved amicably," Sarzo continued. "I have the utmost respect for our co-chairs in Granzi. However, you have to cooperate with us to ensure the success of the peace process. The proverbial ball is in your court."

OOC: Do you want to do the conference here or start another thread? I'll fire it up if you wish.

((OOC: New thread. You start it.))

President Mike Sarzo was about to pick up his cell phone and light into the emperor of Generia. Before he could flip the phone open and punch the digits in, he took a deep breath.

Things are already spiraling out of control here, he thought. I'd just make things worse if I start yelling. He took another deep breath and called the Generian emperor.

When he got through, Sarzo said, "I'll get right to the point.

"I strongly advise you to go to Mauiwowee to the talks with IDF without any further threats of your fingers being on the trigger," Sarzo said. "That comment tells me you are anything but serious about a peaceful solution to this conflict between you and IDF.

"This conflict can be resolved amicably," Sarzo continued. "I have the utmost respect for our co-chairs in Granzi. However, you have to cooperate with us to ensure the success of the peace process. The proverbial ball is in your court."

Emperor Antonius brought the cigar to his lips, inhaled deeply, and expelled the smoke in a ring that wreathed his face. Antonius spoke, his words thick with slavic tone.

"Mr. President, what do you expect me to do? IDF cannot and will not understand the facts. I can tell you with all honesty that these talks will fail.

Nonetheless, it is my duty as a sane and reasonable man to attend, and strive in all futility to bring a peaceful solution. Good day Mr. President."

Antonius put the phone down, and allowed the smoke to flow down his throat, and drift back through his nostrils, spiralling towards the ceiling.

"Christ save us..."

Threaten me again, and talking will not save anything. Do not push The Empire.

Do not push my patience. As far as I see, all you've been doing is causing problems. Rather than be reasonable right back at the start of this, you went off on one about how anybody who did anything to your vessels would face the fullest wrath of the Empire. IDF may have been in the wrong, but at least he's not been posturing around, playing at being the outraged überpower to the extent you have.

Now IF you want to try your luck with me, fine, be my guest. I can't guarantee it will be a pleasant experience. It would be a far better idea to swallow that Generian pride of yours and get talking to people, rather than waving your John Thomas about and threatening them. You go on about how much you want peace, and yet you then proceed to act as if anything that isn't to your very liking is an insult to your name; I don't play that particular game very much. IDF, as I say, may be in the wrong too, but at least he's not inflating his chest in a ludicrous fashion and making threats - which he probably cannot act on.

OOC: My... This thread, and its precedents, do grow fast.

Do not push my patience. As far as I see, all you've been doing is causing problems. Rather than be reasonable right back at the start of this, you went off on one about how anybody who did anything to your vessels would face the fullest wrath of the Empire. IDF may have been in the wrong, but at least he's not been posturing around, playing at being the outraged überpower to the extent you have.

Now IF you want to try your luck with me, fine, be my guest. I can't guarantee it will be a pleasant experience. It would be a far better idea to swallow that Generian pride of yours and get talking to people, rather than waving your John Thomas about and threatening them. You go on about how much you want peace, and yet you then proceed to act as if anything that isn't to your very liking is an insult to your name; I don't play that particular game very much. IDF, as I say, may be in the wrong too, but at least he's not inflating his chest in a ludicrous fashion and making threats - which he probably cannot act on.

We might need tri-lateral peace talks soon.....

I just want to assure everyone I won't be attacking anyone or threatening anyone here. I want these talks to work and will be willing to give up some to get something. Now stop threatening GE, I am bigger then you, but you don't see me saying I'm going to attack you, even though we are currently in a state of war.

I will not be the aggresor hear and hope that GE comes to his senses soon,

I certainly hope not, but I think it's a bit rich for him to try that on, let alone for him to make threats to me and IDF. As Shakespeare had it -
"What, drawn, and talk of peace?"
Even better, I can well imagine GE's reponse:
"I hate the word, as I hate hell, IDF, and thee!"

The peace talks thread is posted

here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7043417#post7043417)

I certainly hope not, but I think it's a bit rich for him to try that on, let alone for him to make threats to me and IDF. As Shakespeare had it -
"What, drawn, and talk of peace?"
Even better, I can well imagine GE's reponse:
"I hate the word, as I hate hell, IDF, and thee!"

OOC: impressive reference and entirely appropriate, although it would be kind of interesting to have all the nations that matter in NS slug it out.

Sarzo heard the dial tone with growing irritation. He came very close to picking the phone back up and adding his own weight to the tensions. However, he had bigger fish to fry elsewhere. Nevertheless, he could still do something to let Generia know he wouldn't accept their threats.

He called Navy Chief John Newman.

"John, how many ships can you spare?"

"What?"

"Listen, Generia is threatening IDF with war. We're trying to broker a peace agreement but they don't seem to be keen on the idea."

"We've got two fleets reserved for other matters, Mr. President. Not to mention the Branwyn situation."

"How many ships, John?"

"I guess I can get the Third and Fourth Fleets ready."

"Better. Make it so."

"Yes, sir."

Sarzo hated having brush fires and potential blazes in three fronts, but it seemed that Generia wasn't going to be willing to listen to reason.

He wrote a statement and released it from the Sarzonian embassy in Praeton:

"We are going to attempt to work with our longtime allies in Granzi to broker a peace accord between IDF and Generia. However, we need to be prepared in the event hostilities break out. I have authorized the Third and Fourth Fleets to set sail for international waters near the escalation zone. They will show the Sarzonian flag and help ensure that we will be prepared should cooler heads not prevail."

[OOC: I'll do the ship compositions later, but it's over 400 ships.]

Again the thread is up, lets calm down

The peace talks thread is posted

here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7043417#post7043417)

[OOC - As I am not supposed to reply in the new peace talk thread, can someone tell me what the hell is going on?]

[OOC - As I am not supposed to reply in the new peace talk thread, can someone tell me what the hell is going on?]

OOC: Hey Grenval, you missed the party!! Bottom line, IDF cut off GE from the Suez Canal and started boarding his ships and doing other stuff that pissed off GE in retaliation for what he says was the murder of 3,000 IDF civilians that GE played a part in and the destruction of some naval forces in a "defensive war." GE, on the other hand, says it had nothing to do with the murders, the war was justified, and that IDF has no right to disurpt his access to a major shipping route or harras his citizens. It quickly blew out of proportion with accusations flying back and forth and the potential for a major military conflict in the Meditteranian and the Persian Gulf and countries in between and on and on and on, so Mauiwowee decided to host a peace conference to stop a war in the making. NATO was potentially involved as was the Southern Alliance and several other alliances. I'm going to move you be permitted to observe the conference.

[OOC - Thanks.]

You are ignored, remember you ignored me and when you strike you can't pull the ignore off. Ottoman Khaif owns that land

And you never owned Syria. Well you did for two weeks until Whittier kicked your ass.
I think you mean lebanon.