NationStates Jolt Archive


Terrorist Strikes on Havlandic Soil

Havlandic
16-09-2004, 22:52
26 are dead after two carbombs explode outside of a government building in the city of Frundel, Havlandic. These attacks, which took place Thursday, September 16, took the Havlandic People by surprize causing mass panic and caused public buildings to be shutdown. No nation has taken responsibility, although inteligence reports indicate it may have been The Empire of The Spot 3, who was ejected from the region Yafutoma, in which Havlandic is located. Havlandic was the nation that made the move to eject The Spot 3, but a majority vote came from the rest of the region.

Barry Barry Marx
Press Secutary
The People's Republic of Havlandic
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:09
The Empire of Fate and Honor condemns these attacks and officialy supports the nation of Havlandic. Should the government provide sufficient evidence as to the involvement of The Spot 3 in the terrorist attacks, the Empire of Fate and Honor will consider assisting Havlandic in a war against them.

We will, however, not go to war against them unless sufficient evidence has been produced.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minster, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:12
We believe that several so called terror groups are basing themselves in our nation. Although Maslawyia does not consider itself to be a safe haven for any group we do not intend to take any actions towards these groups in our nations.
The latest terror attacks we do believe originate from a group in Maslawyia.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:20
Terrorist are not people to be cradled or harbored. We demand that you take action against the terrorist that are in your nation, or face the consequences of your action.

You have 48 Hours (18 Real Life Minutes) to take action against the terrorist groups in your nation. Should you choose not to take action we will attack your nation, destroy the terrorist, disband the current government, and make Maslawyia into an Imperial State.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:25
Let me make things clear. You do not dictate to us. The situation in terms of these groups is to say the least difficult. Our honourable prime minister Dr.Grid Vincent wishes to make it obvious that discussions are by all means possible but threats will be taken seriously. Do not tempt us into actions that you will later regret.
We are not a hostile nation. However, when pressed we will defend ourselves and although we may be small we have the finances, influence and capability to defend ourselves.

Leading Secretary of The Interior Services
Prof. Albert Jonstone
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:30
We do not toy with nations who support terrorist. Whether or not your government on paper supports these groups, allowing them safety within your borders is support.

Negotiations have ended seeing the total lack of Maslawyian care for the matter. You are to our nation a roque state who supports terrorist groups, and we will eliminate you.

The following forces have been dispatched to the region, and initial bombing will begin in 24 hours (9 RL Minutes):

Legion I:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion II:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion III:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion IV:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion V:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys



Aerial and Naval Legion I:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion II:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion III:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports
Nazguul
17-09-2004, 00:32
To the government of Fate and Honor: Do not make threats that could mean trouble for you. These types of situations are better left to the sovereign nation of Maslawya. Any military actions towards Maslawya will result in swift defensive action by our forces.

Maslawya, we propose that a Counter-Terrorist unit be trained by our forces in your nation. We would supply the funds and equipment and train a brigade of your soldiers so that your nation itself could rid these terrorists from your soil.

It is only a suggestion.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:34
Imperial Communique
To: Nazguul
From: Himself, Emperor Robertius

Have you not seen that they refuse to destroy the terrorist. We requested that they simply eliminate the terrorist that they harbor, yet they refuse. Roques such as this can simply not be allowed. However, should he accept your terms we will call off our attack. We will give them an additional 24 hours to accept or deny your terms. (9 RL Minutes).
OOC: Why can't you let small nations sort it out own their own? Damn.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:36
You make unnecassary assumptions and jump into conflict to hastily. This is ill-concieved and to be honest logistically what your nation has planned is impossible. Subsequently, your hollow threats will be treated as they are. Furthermore, your gun-ho nature has been shown and a note has been made of this nation.

Now if you wish we can sit around a table and discuss the matter further. In the funny game that is politics that can often produce positive results. If not then once again we will inform you that when your planned 'invasion' becomes logistically possible we will commence with our obvious defence plans and wreak havoc upon your nation.

Once again we add that we are open to discussing the matter.


Dr.Grid Vincent MBBS Bsc FRCS
Prime Minister
Nazguul
17-09-2004, 00:39
We understand where you come from and believe me, Terrorism is a plague which cannot be quenched by military action between two soverign nations. Terrorism is a disease which must be cured from within. It is simple to punish a nation for harboring terrorists. But it is not simple to purge terrorism completely from a land.

To do so, cooperation is needed. Not force.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:39
We will allow pause our forces, and have them on standby indefinately while negotiations go on. As soon as negotiations break down, we WILL NOT treeat this kindly.

Himself, Emperor Robertius

OOC: Excuse me buddy, the army I have sent is completely logistically possible. Why don't you check this: http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Fate%20and%20Honor

Along with my figures: http://img73.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img73&image=Army.jpg

/Edit Ok, agreed I might have sent them to fast. I just didn't want to waste RL time man. Honestly, okay? How about 30 RL Minutes/1 NS Week?
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:40
OOC: The numbers are fine its the speed at which you intend to dispatch them which is I believe impossible. Don't call me buddy.
Almendrastan
17-09-2004, 00:41
As your friend and ally the nation of Almendrastan supports the Empire of Fate and Honor fully in their decision. Though we lack a strong military we will do what we can to aid the nation that has done so much for my peoples. With these terrorists I will sure to send operatives of the Shinshengumi (OCC: Almendrastani Intelligence Agency, that wield samurai swords! :) ) to find what we can about these terrorists. Terrorism has no room in our modern world and must be irraticated.
Arribastan
17-09-2004, 00:43
I feel that Arribastan must support a soverign nation's policies. You cannot invade a nation on the basis that it is protecting your enemies. Perhaps you can, but we will not allow it.
therefore, to defend Maslawyia, we will send the following:

supercarriers are either Bisonic supercarriers or Retribution class supercarriers. All regular carriers are Nimitzes.
cruser=ticonderoga class
frigate=oliver hazard perry class
destroyer A= Spruance class
Destroyer B= Arleigh Burke class
Tankers =supply class
battleship = iowa class

2 Super carrier battle groups, each consisting of:
10 cruisers
10 frigates
15 destroyer A
5 Destroyer B
30 tankers
1 Battleship
2 carriers, each with:
40 JSF carrier launch
_5 sea stallion helos
_10 F/A 18F hornets
_10 Prowlers
_10 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes
1 super carrier with:
_40 JSF carrier launch
_40 F/A 18F hornets
_10 prowlers
_5 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes
_5 Sea stallions
9 modified wasp, with
_20 Sea Stallions
_2,000 marines.
30 LSDs. (not involved with wasp) each with:
_5 Abrams
_10 modified hummers

Undisclosed number of Seawolf-class Submarines
Undisclosed number of Virginia-class Submarines
2 armies of Marines, each with 15 Armor and 15 Artillery battalions.
Structure of Marine armies are as such:
10 men per squad
5 squads per Platoon (50)
3 Platoons per Company (150)
5 companies per battalion (750)
4 battalions per brigade (3,000)
5 brigades per division (15,000)
4 divisions per corps (60,000)
3 corps per field army (180,000)
4 field Armies per Standard Army (720,000)

and an equal number of support staff
The marines will come only if Maslawyia allows our troops on thier soil.
The ships will stay in International waters outside Maslawyia in the event negotiations break down.
~J.D. Alcanzar
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:44
We will not tolerate a threat of invasion. We are not at fault. You have been warned. We have made it clear that we are open to discussions but these words have obviously fallen upon deaf ears.

Dr.Grid Vincent MBBS Bsc FRCS
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:49
Seeing the large international support that terrorism and Maslawyia has we will back down and return our forces home. The Emperor ridicules all those who have thrown their support behind a terrorist harboring nation, and hopes one day they will see their mistake. The Emperor will not assist any nation who has supported terrorism in this sequence of events, and closes all future diplomatic and trade ties with them.

Furthermore, the Emperor urges any of his right-minded allies to back down as he does not want harm to come to them from the terrorist supporters. The Emperor is disgusted by the support shown for terrorist.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs

OOC: It is sort of ridiculous that the big bad bully nations must come in here and ruin a potentially fun RP for smaller nations. Thanks a lot.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:49
We believe conflict can still be avoided. However, our defensive network is being mobilised.

Dr.Grid Vincent MBBS Bsc FRCS
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 00:51
OOC: I'd personally like to see the smaller nations duke it out, could be entertaining.

Fate and Honor- as a note: don't tell people how long they have to respond. They might go to bed, school, eat etc. . . It's bad form. They'll get back to you when they can.

IC:
Blargistania press released the following statement today
The Government of Blargistania is opposed to all terrorist actions. Terrorists are merely underfunded armies that intend to cause havoc in the world. Today we stand against terrorism as the international community makes a vow to hunt down and destroy these groups. The nation Maslawyia has every right to eliminate the terrorists within their own borders. Blargistania will intervene if necessary, but prefers to remain watchful
Ponchopolis
17-09-2004, 00:52
What reason does anyone have for attacking a country with NO ecconomy, who isn't even linked to any military power? This is pointless. The accused nation of "The Spot 3" stands to balme for this. This is a war for our region, not a foolish one who would accept responsibility for attacking an unarmed peaceful member of the united nations.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 00:54
I do not feel you understand the situation BLARGistania. It isn't that we are stopping them from eliminiating terrorist groups. It is that they refused to destroy the terrorist groups. That is why my nations moved to eliminate it for the good of the world.

Himself, Emperor Robertius
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 00:55
In our immediate foreign policy war is not currently an option that we intend to engage in. Talks around a table will surely have a more fruitful result. If a nation has a problem with us then they should request an audience with me personally. Then our problems can be dealt with.

Dr.Grid Vincent MBBS Bsc FRCS
Central Nation
17-09-2004, 00:55
To: Havlandic
From: United States of Central Nation
Department of State, Office of Secretary of State

We, the Central Nation, condemn these terroristic attacks. We would like to send a letter of condolences to the family of their loved ones. Terrorism will not tolerated in current society and should be halted and cease to exist!

Regards,
Gene D. Seemon
United States of Central Nation
North America
North America Treaty Organization (NATO) member
North America Trade Agreement (NATA) member
Organization of Sovereign Nations (OSN) observer
Almendrastan
17-09-2004, 00:58
Agreed with Ponchopolis. The real enemy is the terrorists that caused this attack. No one has even talked about the poor peoples of Havlandic our neighbor. Their the victims here. The Spot 3 rebels are the real enemy here so is any other terror group looking to bring down our modern world.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 01:00
Maslawyia never condoned the terror attacks. The fact that we made the world aware of the terror groups origin should in fact be applauded and not attacked. Our policy is ours and we will not be forced in any way into changing our plans both short and long term.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 01:01
I do not feel you understand the situation BLARGistania. It isn't that we are stopping them from eliminiating terrorist groups. It is that they refused to destroy the terrorist groups. That is why my nations moved to eliminate it for the good of the world.

Himself, Emperor Robertius

OOC: They've said no such thing either way.
Also, I do not yet intend to become involved, I want to see the smaller nations have fun.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 01:04
We believe that several so called terror groups are basing themselves in our nation. Although Maslawyia does not consider itself to be a safe haven for any group we do not intend to take any actions towards these groups in our nations.
The latest terror attacks we do believe originate from a group in Maslawyia.

The Emperor does not understand how that cannot be seen by anyone but him as harboring terrorist. He is completely sickened by the ignorance of all parties involved who see Maslawyia as an innocent nation.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 01:07
At this time no action will be taken that point was made clear. It is for us to decide when it is appropriate to take action. When we believe we are at our most efficient levels to do what is necessary to meet our objectives. This may not be satisfactory to you in which case all I can say is that it is our country for which to decide what to do.

Mr.Vikal Budenz
Foreign Minister
Arribastan
17-09-2004, 01:09
OOC:The smaller nations could talk it out, instead of getting into a war. That always seems to be useful. My forces are only there to prevent an attack, not to start a fight. They should be reasoning this out instead of trying to fight. If negotiations fail, then war is an option.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 01:15
Some I believe fear the intellectual war.

Mr.Vikal Budenz
Foreign Minister
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 01:21
The Emperor would like to notify all parties involved that Maslawyia has already claimed responsibilty for the Terrorist Uprising in South America (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358018) ordeal. They admit to be directly controlling the terrorist with their government. Suddenly their position has changed, I tell you friends it is all lies from them to save themselves from justice!
In light of the recent news that has appeared it is only fair that the international community is made aware of the true facts of this situation. Our great nation has funded the training of these so called 'terrorists'. Not just this we have also provided them with the essential equipment they need to commence with their activities. Speaking of which these activities are controlled via direct orders from our Intelligence Service HQ.

To answer why for now cannot be done. All will be revealed in due course.


Bureaucrat of Maslawyia
The above is a direct quote from their response the the Terrorist Uprising in South America (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358018) ordeal. Read it for yourself friends. I tell you before, and you have proof now! This is a terrorist regime my fellow people.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minster, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Ponchopolis
17-09-2004, 01:21
Suicide bombings are not not intellectual, and neither is flaunting the fact that the corporations that run your country allow terrorists to work freely inside your borders.
Ponchopolis
17-09-2004, 01:27
These terrorists, do they reside only in your borders, and if so why would we lay the blame on anyone but you?

You claim to have multiple sources of information concerning them as seen by your previous statements, so you must know the one fact that terrorist organizations flaunt: Their purpose.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 01:31
The Emperor does not understand how that cannot be seen by anyone but him as harboring terrorist. He is completely sickened by the ignorance of all parties involved who see Maslawyia as an innocent nation.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs

My bad I missed that post.

IC: Blargistania will remain at its original position. We will monitor the situation and not intervene unless it becomes necessary for us to do so.

Maslawyia: In light of this new information, we will issue a warning. You have the time to make a decision but you must act against the terrorists. We will not repeat this message. Act or you will face the consequences of harboring terrorists.
Aliban
17-09-2004, 01:39
The Republic of Aliban is also having some of its own terrorist problems. We belive from sone of our top military leaders that Aliban might be houseing some terrorists. We would ask that any nation please help us to rid of these people and help create a safe enviorment for all of us. We are willing to pay for help. The reason we need help is becaue we are very new and dont have the technology or manpower to rid of these terrorists. Thank you.

General Zekistan
Leader of The Republic of Aliban
Arribastan
17-09-2004, 01:39
Any nation has the right to do as they wish, whether it be harboring terrorists or killing off thousands of allegedly innocent civilians. Terrorists strike, civilians die. It's collateral damage. Get used to it. However, Maslawyia has basically declared a war. We regret to say that we must cease to defend Maslawyia once they have claimed direct responsibility for any terrorist attacks, which they have done. Arribastani naval forces are retreating.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
Kintola
17-09-2004, 01:41
WTF why is everyone else talking about other shit. THat is not the issue. The issue lies in spot 3 and the terrorists who caused this!
Aliban
17-09-2004, 01:42
Wow you need to learn how to roleplay n00b.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 01:48
WTF why is everyone else talking about other shit. THat is not the issue. The issue lies in spot 3 and the terrorists who caused this!

Spot 3 has not posted yet, we'll deal with them when they shows up.

Aliban: We would like to give you a team of CTFs. They can train your own nation's military up to our nation's standard of fighting terrorism. Contact via TG and we can work out the details.
Ponchopolis
17-09-2004, 01:55
It seems as if the events transpiring have taken another uneventful turn.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358104
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 01:55
Imperial Forces stationed off the coast of Maslawyia have went into action since negotiations have failed.

The Emperor has issued the following statement:
The world has seen the menace of Maslawyia, and we will now bring justice to their terrorist regime.
Shipboys scurried around the cruisers, pilots scramble to their planes, and ground troops/vehicles load onto the transports. The Captain of the Imperial Cruiser Legio issues the first command of the war.

"Fire!"

Upon his command 45 Cruisers and 15 Nuclear Submarines unleashed a barrage of cruise missiles. The missiles whizzed over head targeting Maslawyian infastructure and terrorist camps, while preserving the life of innocents.

While the barrage of cruise missiles pounded specialized positions, ground troops loaded onto the transports and prepared to land an attack.

"Alright boys, we're going to get some real action here. You need to study your plan, your buddies plan, and your officers orders to know EVERYTHING you need to know. Be careful to to harm civilians. We see shore soon."

A second barrage of cruise missiles were launched, targeting major bridges and roadway. Their attempt was to paralyze the enemy movement. Soldiers in the transports could hear the missiles screaching over-head.

"This is Squadron-1 F-14 flight-group, ready to take off and move out."

"This is Squadron-2 F-16 flight-group, we are also ready to move out."

"Afirmative, you have greent to go Squadron-1 and 2.

The roar of the jet engines made the outside of the carriers defening, and they flew off. Their mission was air-superiority and to finish off areas targeted by cruise missiles.

Finally B-52's flew over major cities, scattering leaflets asking the people of Maslawyia to overthrow their horrible government and to assist the Benevolent Empire of Fate and Honor.

The attack results have yet to be seen in full.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 02:09
Just a question of Logistics to Fate and Honor:

Have you done a GDP calculator to find your defence budget? You seem to be using pretty good tech for a new nation.

Second: how many personnel total are you sending in. That includes combat troops, support personel, etc. . .
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 02:10
Ok well first of all, The Spot 3 was not responsible for the car bombings. They were staged by the Havlandic government as propganda and to ralley support against our small country. Secondly, yes there maybe terrorists in Maslawyia, and yes they may be unwilling ot take action against them, but that is not for you to decide Fate and Honor, you imperialist pig. Also isn't it you, Fate and Honor who said "Why can't you let small nations sort it out on their own? Damn?" Becasue of mere tlak you throw you soldiers into other nations, who do you think you are George W. Bush?
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 02:12
OOC: Excuse me buddy, the army I have sent is completely logistically possible. Why don't you check this: http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Fate%20and%20Honor

Along with my figures: http://img73.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img73&image=Army.jpg

/Edit Ok, agreed I might have sent them to fast. I just didn't want to waste RL time man. Honestly, okay? How about 30 RL Minutes/1 NS Week?

OOC: These are the forces commited (I said it earlier in this thread)

:Legion II:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion III:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion IV:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion V:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys



Aerial and Naval Legion I:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion II:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion III:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Total amount of support people is 60,000. That is 20,000 for Legions, and 40,000 for Air/Navy (Also shown in chart_Legion II:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion III:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion IV:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys

Legion V:

-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-170 M151 “MUTT’s”
-170 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-10 M2A3 Bradleys



Aerial and Naval Legion I:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion II:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion III:

-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-20 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-15 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transpors

Total support people is 90,000. 30,000 for Legions and 60,000 for Navy/Air legions (Also shown in chart, not that many for each legion but for all combined). That should answer your questions about my military.
Havlandic
17-09-2004, 02:13
Thank you to all involved in the strike against masyawyia. Their leaders admited to harboring terror, and terrorism is not an issue that can go unseen. Therefore, I am indebted to you, Fate and Honor, for coming to defend a small struggling nation, who has little to no defense for itself.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 02:19
FaH - the links won't work on my comp, just give me the numbers.
Havlandic
17-09-2004, 02:21
It is outrageous that Spot 3 would suggest i would fake a terror attack on my own people. 26 innocent citizens died today. It would have happened agian because i have no military. If it wasnt for Fate and Honor, my people would be overtaken by Extremist Terrorists.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 02:21
OOC: The chart explains everything in detail, I won't type it up. Took me long enough to assemble the chart.
Wirraway
17-09-2004, 02:27
We were referred to you by Almendrastan to help with your terrorist problem. We have dealt succesfully with terrorists in the past, most recently in Roach-Busters, and are willing to help in any way possible. If you require assistance now or int he future do not hesitate to ask. We have two special forces team, 12 men each, on stand-by at all times to respond to any terrorist threats.
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 02:28
Blastphamy! My country has no army, weapons, and was only formed recently. Havlandic pushed for my removal from yafutoma within hours of my nations creation, and banished quickly after, while only 3 nations voted out of twelve. Besides which i have no reason to attack havlandic, i have no allies, no weapons, and no military to defend myself, I mean for gods sakes i live at the bottom of the ocean with some scurvey pirates!
Havlandic
17-09-2004, 02:29
Your help would be greatly appriciated in our nation, however my country has nothing to give in return at this time. We can ill-afford more debt in our already failing economy.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 02:30
Imperial Communique
To: Wirraway
From: Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs

If it could be at all possible for military support be sent to the region to assist us in the attack, we would greatly appreciate it.
Wirraway
17-09-2004, 02:34
Your help would be greatly appriciated in our nation, however my country has nothing to give in return at this time. We can ill-afford more debt in our already failing economy.

We require nothing in return for our services, the oppotunity to destroy terrorist scum is all the reward we need. The two teams will be dispatched immediatly to assist Fate and Honor and Havlandic forces in their fight against terrorism. Two more teams will arrive shortly.
Havlandic
17-09-2004, 02:35
This is a message intercepted by the Ponchopolis government

"my people are not suicide bombers, we fight like men, we plant bombs, then run, and watch them explode" -Spot 3

These cars exploded, it is unknown whether they had drivers or if they were planted. Nonetheless, this message shows very clearly that Spot 3 has no problem with setting bombs, and watching them kill innocent lives. Yes, i did expel Spot 3 from the region, but i had full support of the rest of the region. They hold a grudge against my country, and they may still be partly responsible for this bombing.
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 02:46
OOC: Okay, I'll try to check later, I was just looking for one number of total deployed numbers, but that's okay.

Havlandic: Blargistania would like to offer a one-time payment of 500 billion dollars to your nation to support you weakining economy. This can be used as you see fit. In return, we wish to build an embassy in your nation and to establsh formal diplomatic ties. We would also like to extend an invitation to look at membership in the Allied Socialist Defence Union. Look to the Aztec National League for communication. The ASDU is a band of leftist states that form political and economic alliances for mutual protection. Merely mention you recieved an invite from Blargistania and ANL will take you into consideration. ~ The Utopic People's Republic of Blargistania
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 02:49
Typical tabloidic writing, put in the juicy portions and leave out the rest. If they would've been man enough to post the entire message, it would do nothing. The acual message was merely defending myself that I would never use suicide bomb. Now if you want war ill give you war! I now use my military grade choppers to fly the spot 3 over havlandic and drop the entire country from the sky onto havlandic, crushing it and its inhabitants with one fel attack. I have called upon my nation of patriots to arms, which were generously supplied by the terrorists, the knights of phobos. Once the overlay of havlandic has been completed, the armed citiznes of The Spot 3 will flow onto havlandic soil let by panda bear riding cavalry units. An invasion of the most pelculiar type, if I do say so my self.
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 02:53
As the spot 3 fell from the skies atop havlandic, crushing most of its inhabitants, women and children, the patriots of spot 3 readied for battle.

SQUISH

the spot 3 landed on havlandic and the patriots of the spot 3 came forth atop noble pandas of doom.
Noddingham
17-09-2004, 02:54
are we sure that there is suficcient evidence for laying the blame on spot three? how can we be sure that the intercepted message really is from spot three? my king doesnt wish to sound weak, but surely we cannot use suspicion as reason to attack a nation not yet proven guilty... UN regulatoins would not allow such haste. We must see more evidence before any decision involving violence will be seriously considered. My King would not stand for "another Iraq", as they say.


Herman Olympus
Royal Messenger to the King
Noddingham
Aliban
17-09-2004, 02:55
War has been declared on The Spot 3. I will accept any help at all.
Almendrastan
17-09-2004, 02:57
OCC: uhh this is went from reasonable to a tab bit stupid. Think the RP is killed here.
Noddingham
17-09-2004, 02:59
Well... THAT seems like sufficient evidence...-Royal Messenger to the King

Ready your armies for battle! We must all make sure that terrorism and harboring states do not remain in lands within the United Nations reach.
-Erik Leiffer
Chief Military Commander
Noddingham
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 03:00
Thats what you get for making shit up, an entire country dropped on your head. Given the game standards it can happen, i mean i do have choppers to fly my country around, and the knights of marz do have black market weapons manufacuring. As for the army, its a simple call to war, similar to the american revolution.
Noddingham
17-09-2004, 03:02
OCC: uhh this is went from reasonable to a tab bit stupid. Think the RP is killed here.

OOC: true. i think everything was good until spot 3 deciced they had some unexplained super weapon and dropped it in Havlandic with a "splat"
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 03:34
Spot 3, your attack has been ignored. Either go away or respond with something reasonable. A second offfense will resort in an attack by the Ultra-n00binator I.G.N.O.R.E. cannon.
Noddingham
17-09-2004, 03:43
this motion secconded unanimously by all my kings advisors... dont trouble us with your foolishness...
-Herman Olympus
Royal Messenger to the King
Noddingham
The Spot 3
17-09-2004, 03:47
How is my attack unreasonable? I have the choppers, and they can physically lift my country and move it. This is how you move regions, ever read the text? It clearly states that you lift your country and move it, you have to put it down somewhere, why not on top of your enemies, thus crushing them and winning the war.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 13:19
OOC: It is unreasonable because that just isn't how you fight wars in this game or anywhere.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 13:36
OOC: What has happened as I've obviously been away.

IC: We never in any capacity clained responsibility for the terrorists actions. We just made clear where we believe they have been basing their operations and that we would take action when we believed it to be the best time.

Dr.Grid Vincent MBBS Bsc FRCS
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 13:48
Imperial Forces stationed off the coast of Maslawyia have went into action since negotiations have failed.

The Emperor has issued the following statement:

Shipboys scurried around the cruisers, pilots scramble to their planes, and ground troops/vehicles load onto the transports. The Captain of the Imperial Cruiser Legio issues the first command of the war.

"Fire!"

Upon his command 45 Cruisers and 15 Nuclear Submarines unleashed a barrage of cruise missiles. The missiles whizzed over head targeting Maslawyian infastructure and terrorist camps, while preserving the life of innocents.

While the barrage of cruise missiles pounded specialized positions, ground troops loaded onto the transports and prepared to land an attack.

"Alright boys, we're going to get some real action here. You need to study your plan, your buddies plan, and your officers orders to know EVERYTHING you need to know. Be careful to to harm civilians. We see shore soon."

A second barrage of cruise missiles were launched, targeting major bridges and roadway. Their attempt was to paralyze the enemy movement. Soldiers in the transports could hear the missiles screaching over-head.

"This is Squadron-1 F-14 flight-group, ready to take off and move out."

"This is Squadron-2 F-16 flight-group, we are also ready to move out."

"Afirmative, you have greent to go Squadron-1 and 2.

The roar of the jet engines made the outside of the carriers defening, and they flew off. Their mission was air-superiority and to finish off areas targeted by cruise missiles.

Finally B-52's flew over major cities, scattering leaflets asking the people of Maslawyia to overthrow their horrible government and to assist the Benevolent Empire of Fate and Honor.

The attack results have yet to be seen in full.


OOC: That happened while you were away. Balls in your court, your move. The attack is being executed by the following forces:

Legion I:
-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-200 M151 “MUTT’s”
-200 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-20 M2A3 Bradleys
-100 Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers

Legion II:
-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-200 M151 “MUTT’s”
-200 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-20 M2A3 Bradleys
-100 Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers

Legion III:
-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-200 M151 “MUTT’s”
-200 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-20 M2A3 Bradleys
-100 Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers

Legion IV:
-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-200 M151 “MUTT’s”
-200 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-20 M2A3 Bradleys
-100 Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers

Legion V:
-82,000 Men
-40 M1A2 Abrams
-200 M151 “MUTT’s”
-200 LAV Personnel Transports/Fighting Vehicles
-20 M2A3 Bradleys
-100 Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers

Aerial and Naval Legion I:
-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-30 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-20 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion II:
-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-30 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-20 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Aerial and Naval Legion III:
-20 F-14's
-5 B-52's
-30 F-16's
-25 FH-1 ICBM’s
-20 Cruisers
-5 Nuclear Submarines
-1 Carrier
-5 Transports

Specifics of army and budget can be seen here: http://img24.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img24&image=Army2.jpg
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 14:13
OOC: I'll deal with the results of the attack in a minute but I just want to point out that you've assumed there are terrorist camps in Maslawyia all I said was that they were basing their operations in maslawyia as in holding meetings in random buildings. Going to banks and sorting out their funds. I never they actively trained recruits or anything of that nature in maslawyia. So I don't think you can target 'terror camps'.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 14:33
The red light came on in Defensive HeadQuarters. General Vorshank turned to his colleagues,"At least we're ready." Missiles crashed into three major bridges bringing them down upon towns beneath. Meanwhile the roads were virtually empty prepared for the obvious attack upon the motorways. The general turned to his monitor screen and looked at the stats, 45,000 men made up the Defence Legion. Specialising, obviously, in defending the nation in a time of crisis.

"Operation Snow Reverse!,"boomed the general and on the digital map hundreds of anti-aircraft systems came online preparing to fill the sky with 'snow' fire as it had been nicknamed. Sometimes it looked random but so many rounds were fired in a single blast that an aircraft would in many cases be considered lucky to get through.

Meanwhile, along the only smallish coastline of the Mosul Bay enemy soldiers could be seen to be rushing forward across the beach. The decisive benefit to Maslawyia was that the beach was pinned in between two heavily fortified hills. Immediately heavy machine gun and artillery fire started pounding the beach head attempting to push bacl the invaders.

Furthermore, the Army Conscription Law was enforced. Every man in the country had been given the necessary basic equipment to fight any invaders that entered the cities. Many hid in their homemade underground bunkers.

Results of Initial Attacks:

5 Major Bridge points destroyed, 9 minor bridges brought down
Most major road networks at least damaged slightly but many are still at least minimally operable.
Coast as yet has not been effected.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 14:52
The Fighter Fighter squadrons only got off a few missiles and bombs before they turned away from the incredible amount of fire being poured toward them. One F-14 and two F-16's were destroyed by the AA fire, and several more damaged.

"Holy shit! What is that?"

"That's what they call Anti-Air boy."

"Argh! I'm hit, engine out, bailing!"

"Crap, Ace is down."

"I'm hit, i'm... static"

"God damn! Bailing!"

"This is squadron leader, we're returning to carrier. Few targets have been hit, mission not accomplished."

"Affirmative squadron leader, return and refit. On your way back to carrier, you are ordered to unleash all payloads on defensive positions where our boys are assaulting."

Meanwhile on the beach Legion I was suffering losses from the fighting.

"We're pinned down command! Taking cover behind our heavy vehicles. We need support now!"

"Affirmative Legion I, on our command at a further time push forward."

Once again the naval vessels unleashed their cruise missiles, along with the Abul Abbas Cruise Missile Launchers. The cruise missiles pounded artillery and machine gun positions along the hill.

B-52's roared overheard and a special contingent of paratroopers from the Legion V dropped on top the hills and began an assault on the enplacements.

"This is flight squadron leader, we are approaching defesnive emplacements."

"Roger that, engage."

Missiles roared overhead and precise bombs further hammered positions. Paratroopers landed on the ground and moved out to mop up.

"Legion I, push now!"

Legion I began assaulting up the beach while paratroopers, cruise missiles, and jet fighters pounded the defense on the hills.

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344 Men, 3 M1A2 Abrams, and 12 LAV Personell Trasnports/Fighting Vehicles lost from Legion I.

1 F-14 and 2 F-16 lost in the bombing assault. Several more damaged.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 15:34
Cries are heard all over the city from widowed wives and orphaned children! The Maslawyian Media Machine has come into play and thousands of men have answered the call to arms to defend the nation. The cities of Maslawyia are now empty civilians have taken cover underground while the men have start to make their way through a series of makeshift tunnels to defend the coast and main city of Mosul Square.

The anti-aircraft halts for a few seconds and then restarts. General Vorshank is pleased by the initial repulsion of the intruder but nows there is more to come when suddenly sirens sounds in Defensive HQ! Vast payloads have been dropped upon the retreat of the enemy fighters taking out a series of mobile troop movements that were moving to prepare more anti-aircraft guns.

On the beachhead the machine gun fire starts to die down in parts as casualties are taken. However, the paratroopers had been seen coming down and minigun fire had switched in some instances to try and take out as many of the paratroopers as possible before they landed. As the defences started to shake a Code Zircon Order was issued. Holes began to appear at several points in the beach head surrounding the hills.

Though apparently innocent out of these holes a variety of frag grenades were being fired, volleys of some sort of customised petrol bomb with a great explosion on impact and makeshift stationary flame throwers.

Even more stunning were the rings of fire that emerged around the two hills as ditches filled with petrol were set alight.


Results of Attack:
200 men on the beachhead died almost instantly. Many more were injured. The dropped payloads further damaged infrastructure leading up to the beach thus seemingly isolating the defences. However, men are still taking up arms as they travel quickly from nearby cities through a secret make shift tunnel system to the beach.
Dozens of machine and artillery fire equipment were destroyed.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 15:53
Artillery rocket systems and tanks began to fire upon the soft edges of the cliffs. Rock crumbled and parts of the hills even began to crumble. B-52's were launched this time to carpet bomb the tops of hills.

Legion I once again pinned down was pouring fire with heavy weapons, tank cannons, and rocket systems into the hillside defenses. The infantry taking cover behind heavy vehicles.

B-52's rumbled overheard unleashing thousands of bombs onto every stretch of the hilltop defences. The thousands of bombs were sending shockwaves through the earth, and dust was being kicked up everywhere. It felt as if the earth was being shattered.

Legion II was landed on the beach, pouring hundreds of more explosive rounds into the hill defenses. Earth crumbling around the holes.

The B-52's were returned to carrier after several circlings of carpet bombing. They had a much more sinister task. While ships fired heavy naval guns, and submarines fired the last of their cruise missiles to wipe out defensive positions the B-52's were being loaded with 20,000lb MOAB's. The B-52's took off and climbed to an elevation out of range from simple anti-air guns. The B-52's then proceeded to major cities of Maslawyia to virtually level them now that they are free of innocents, and to massacre enemy muster points.

Fighter jets took off ahead of the bombers armed with special radar seeking missiles. They struck out at radar positions to allow B-52's free passage from AA-Missiles.

Paratroopers began their assault after B-52's did their job. They hurried off the disable the last of artillery and blast close tunnels leading to the front painted by recon planes who realized reinforcements had to be coming from somewhere.

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Legion I suffered an addition 59 men killed, and 142 wounded by the fire weapons.

The paratroopers suffered the most casualties, best reports show 257.

OOC: Let's continue to have the RP be civil and fair.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:03
General Vorshank turned to the people in the secret underground base on the offshore Maslawyian islands where they were located. He made a shocking announcement,"Ladies and Gentlemen withdraw all our troops. Order them to all go underground. Prepare the Vixen Reserve load. We have no choice. Our defences above ground have been virtually smashed or will be soon enough."

At 1800 hours the following message was sent to Fate and Honor:

FORCES HAVE BEEN WITHDRAWN. WISH FOR AN END TO HOSTILITIES. ENOUGH CASUALTIES. THE BEACH HEAD IS YOURS TO TAKE. LEAVE THE REST OF THE CITY. WE MUST BEGIN TALKS.

Meanwhile the soldiers retreated to take up a different call to arms, to launch a different type of war. The type they never thought they would have to see this in their lifetime. What they had was simple and unstable but thats when it did the most damage. Small reserve, devastating punch. They waited for the enemy to move on to the beach.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:07
The Emperor accepts your request for a cease-fire. B-52's have been recalled from their mission to eliminate Maslawyian cities. Paratroopers have taken the hills and will halt their advance. Legion I and II have moved to the hill and dug in for the ceasefire. No further advance will occure during discussions. Further bloodshed may not need to happen.

All Imperial forces are on stand-by, and will not act in an offensive manner.

All tunnels within the defensive line have been blasted closed. As a reprisal if these talks are a stalling tactic ballistic missiles have been armed on-board the nuclear submarines.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minster, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:11
General Vorshank watched on the screen before him the beach head being taken over. The idea came to him as he watched the hilltops crumble. The underground network of tunnels would serve his purposes perfectly.

He chose to have a videolink conference with his opposing number. The screen flickered on and the General spoke:

"Foreign Minister how many men do you believe you have on my beach at this time? I presume this war has cost you many lives,time and money has it not?"

He turned away obscuring the scowl on his face awaiting a reply.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:14
Meanwhile three dozen helicopters flew over Maslawyian waters patrolling their borders around the invading force. They had no intention of fighting. Their orders were to fly just above the water and do what was necessary if the talks were to fail.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:16
Currently Legion I, and remnants of the paratroopers are established on the hilltops where your former defensive positions were. Legion II, III, IV, and V have returned to the fleet awaiting the out-come of these discussions. After fighting the stength in man numbers of Legion I is approximately 81,400.

Further, we wish to notify you once again that in reprisal for if this is a stalling tactic ballistic missiles on-board of nuclear submarines have been armed.

For peace we demand that you allow Imperial Special forces into your country to destroy all terrorist groups.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minster, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs

F-14's and F-16's were dispatched to watch the enemy helicopters. Should helicopters attempt any move, they will be quickly dispatched by our fighters.
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:23
"81,400 men that is a lot. Well let me make things clear. Your invasion should stop now. We ask you kindly to withdraw from our waters. The streets of Maslawyia are empty and the cities need an overhaul anyway," scoffed the General.

He turned to the screen his eyes filled with a wily passion for what he knew and they did not:

"If you do not withdraw I can personally guarantee that all 81,400 men will be killed. All of them. Every single one. There is nothing you can do about it either. Unless," he paused," you withdraw your forces and sign this charter that I have had drawn up that limits you from ever taking any forcible action against us. Of course we will not take any forcible action against you either."

"The choice is clear. A massacre for which you were responsible and had the opportunity to stop or peace. Do not try to move your legion either or they will also be destroyed."
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:28
"Once again your nation shows its' terrorist traits. Demanding we withdraw or face your terrorist acts. We will not withdraw unless you accept OUR terms.

Should you dare choose to kill our soldiers we will turn your nation into a wasteland. Your people will not be able to grow food or emerge from a lead case for twenty-years. We will totally annihilate your nation.

We reject your demands, and currently the ballistic missiles on-board our submarines are targeted awaiting only the press of a button to annihilate your nation. The ball is in your court, sir."

Himself, Emperor Robertius
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:35
"Turning a desert land into even more of a wasteland?," laughed a secretary by the General. "Shut up!," barked Vorshank," An emperor is addressing us, patch in the Prime Minister."

Dr.Grid Vincent appeared on screen as he had been made aware of what was going on," Emperor how many times must we inform that we are not terrorists. Logic dictates that you are the nation insistant on force as a means to an end. I am the Prime Minister of this land, I will protect this land. I do not condone force or death but I warn you not to force us to play our cards. With what time it takes to flatten a desert that was useless for growing anything anyway all your men I have informed will be killed."

The good doctor took of his glasses and looked into the camera:

"We are not terrorists but we are plagued by them. We have a long term plan to get rid of them and we do not need your assistance to do this. Sign our charter, protect your people so we can protect ours and together get rid of the terrorists."
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:42
Static slowly turns to a signal on the video-phone:

"We will withdraw. However, we do not promise to never return. If Maslawyia does not come through on its' promise to deal with terrorism we may act.

Legion I has begun its' withdrawl and are marching back to the transports ships. The Imperial flag has been removed from the flagstaff on the beach head, and replaced with a rag-tag Maslawyia flag found in the debris.

If one single man dies in this withdrawal, the terms are no longer valid and we do not have a deal. The helicopters must withdraw from the area around our fleet and return home."

Himself, Emperor Robertius
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:47
"Your men will be safe as they start to leave. Our helicopters will not leave until you do. Their mission is for the protection of the nation until you have left our waters and our safety is guaranteed. This conversation has been recorded for the future safety of our two nations."

The General cut in,"This is an amendment of the initial charter. It is being sent to all parties to be signed and then returned. Once your forces have left and the charter has been returned signed by you then and only then will hostilities stop."

The fax machine whirred into action.....
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:51
"The last of Legion I has arrived to the fleet location. The ships set direction and began sailing home. All forces were withdrawn from the territory of Maslawyia including spy-planes.

The Emperor signed the charter, and his aids faxed it back to Maslawyia. He has declared an end to hostilities."

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 16:53
Dr.Grid Vincent received his final copy of the charter and signed. He reclined back into his chair and smiled. Once more he had become a part of history and now another chapter in Maslawyia's life had passed.

OOC: It has been a decent RP.
Fate and Honor
17-09-2004, 16:57
The Emperor wishes to know how Maslawyia plans to re-build its' infastructure and cities which have been severely damaged?

He also wishes to know for the record of his courts the death-toll of the following: Civilians, Military, Paramilitary Forces.

Alexius Julii
Foreign Minister, Imperial Courts of Foreign Affairs

OOC: Yes, it was fun. I saw your unconventional attack coming from a mile away though ;)
Maslawyia
17-09-2004, 17:06
OOC: What unconventional attack? It was all a bluff ;) I decided to go down the route of I have a very small army but they're damn good at defence and that my prime minister is smart enough to get us out of this in one piece.

IC:

A fax is sent to Maslawyian High Command which reads as follows:

WE HAVE A RESERVE FUND TO DEAL WITH TIMES OF CRISIS.
OUR STRONG ECONOMY HAD ALREADY BEEN PREPARED FOR A VAST RENEWAL OF ALL CITYSCAPES.
THE WAR HAS REMOVED DEMOLITION COSTS.
WE HAVE THE FINANCES AND FINANCIAL AID TO RENEW THE COUNTRY AS NECESSARY.

STATS:
CIVILIANS: 2,800 DEAD
MILITARY:1,800 DEAD
PARAMILITARY: 1,200 DEAD
BLARGistania
17-09-2004, 23:19
Not bad guys. Looks like you could all turn out to be pretty good RPers.