NationStates Jolt Archive


Stevid Government to Crack Down on Drug Pirates (Possible OMP)

Stevid
16-09-2004, 19:48
In thousands of nations, illegal class A, B and some class C drugs are a real problem in society, especially in nations with a coastal shoreline.
Pirates are the scum that are making drugs a real problem in our nations.

It has been seen on many occasions pirates use international waters to “legally” sell drugs and then the buyers return to their home nation with the booty. Or in rather rare cases, smugglers actually docking in port and hiding the drugs in containers, then sooner or later, selling them on street corners.

This is a problem for Stevid (being an island nation) and the government of Stevid has decided to take drastic measures to prosecute these pirates.
The Stevid Navy is sparing ships to travel around the world to investigate possible suspect ships. If found to possessing contraband, the Naval vessels will return the pirates to their own nation. Hopefully, they will be prosecuted for their actions.
The vessels that will be carrying this operation will make regular stops at allied nations to re-fuel and re-supply.

If any nations that wish to object to the presence Stevid vessels in their waters may do so, but Stevid vessels will only pass close to nations if they have pirates on board. As mentioned above, if pirates have arrested, the vessel that picked them up will deliver them to the home nation of the pirates and then leave.

Members of the OMP may help in this operation.
Japannese Islands
16-09-2004, 21:51
Tokarev, and hopefully the rest of my OMP allies, condemn Stevid's rash and, quite frankly insane, policies.
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:07
Ditto, we would be happy to take part in this. Might we suggest it be extended to arms smugglers also?
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:11
Question. Will foriegn vessels be boardable under this crackdown? Marijuana is legal in Arribastan, and is sold as a relaxant on most military and civilian vessels for use after working hours. If ships flying the Arribastani flag are harmed during this operation, swift death will commence for your people.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:21
Ug. Good question. Perhaps if it were possible to verify that any shipments stopped were legal shipments to your country, this would be acceptable? Would you merchantment open fire if boarded or if an attempt to stop them were made? That would complicate matters, as you can appreciate.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:28
Official Imperial Statement

The Imperial government strongly opposes this move. We believe this to be a full blown attack on International trade. If your ships are found to be stopping vessels in either International or Imperial Generian waters, we will be forced to take action. Crack down on narcotics in your own country, and get your hands off of our drugs.
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:28
Are you suggesting that you will oppose nations aiming to prevent the internationally illegal crime of supplying illegally life-destroying intoxicating substances? And if so, why? And if you have a good reason for it, then please do tell why they should give a damn anyway?

OOC: Smuggling is pretty illegal y'know.
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:31
Ug. Good question. Perhaps if it were possible to verify that any shipments stopped were legal shipments to your country, this would be acceptable? Would you merchantment open fire if boarded or if an attempt to stop them were made? That would complicate matters, as you can appreciate.Most Arribastani merchantmen do not have guns. The only Arribastani transports with guns are modified Oliver Hazard Perry - class frigates. Those are military merchantmen. The last pirate that tried to board a standard merchantman was chased down by a full fleet and sunk within the day. Nobody really bothers our ships anymore. All shipments of Marijuana are legal in Arribastan. If it is Arribastani owned (i.e., flying the Arribastani flag), you will not touch it.
And no, nobody ever tries to fly the Arribastani flag without being a citizen of Arribastan. The last man that tried that is serving time in a slave labor camp with his family. And he's never getting out.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:31
Official Imperial Statement

The Imperial government strongly opposes this move. We believe this to be a full blown attack on International trade. If your ships are found to be stopping vessels in either International or Imperial Generian waters, we will be forced to take action. Crack down on narcotics in your own country, and get your hands off of our drugs.
Generia, I urge you to not interfere. Interferance in this and any wars that result will mean my Navy kicking your Navy in the ass. Stay out of his domestic policy please.
Crookfur
16-09-2004, 22:32
As a OMP memeber Crookfur would be rahter hesitant about supporting any operation that would involve interfering with shipping operating under the flag of a sovereign nation. If we had intelligence that a particualr vessel was involved in supplying illicit narcotics to a antion then we would cooperate with said antion to seize the shipment. However on the face of it this policy and operation would appear to more extensive and involve stop and search oeprations agisnt many different vessels which would be brekaing the articles of the OMP concerning the freedom of merchant shipping.

Incidentially Crookfur vessels do indeed carry fairly large quantities of substances that would be illegal within Crookfur but are fully permissable in the intended destiantion, msot skippers wouldn't touch such cargo but Crookfur authorities will not stand in the way of those undertaking a technically legitimate activity.
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:34
NOTE: Any ships flying the Arribastani flag in waters owned by a nation with laws against drugs will not be carrying drugs of any kind. If a ship is in your waters, you may search it.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:34
Are you suggesting that you will oppose nations aiming to prevent the internationally illegal crime of supplying illegally life-destroying intoxicating substances? And if so, why? And if you have a good reason for it, then please do tell why they should give a damn anyway?

OOC: Smuggling is pretty illegal y'know.

((OOC: It is not smuggling if the drugs are legal in the port in which they are sold. Port Belgrade, Generia for example.))

We support the rights of merchants to peddle their wares internationally, as long as they carry them legally to nations where the sale of narcotics is permitted. If drug carrying vessels are arrested in International waters while legally transporting cargo, then the nation responsible is committing an act of piracy.
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:35
Most Arribastani merchantmen do not have guns. The only Arribastani transports with guns are modified Oliver Hazard Perry - class frigates. Those are military merchantmen. The last pirate that tried to board a standard merchantman was chased down by a full fleet and sunk within the day. Nobody really bothers our ships anymore. All shipments of Marijuana are legal in Arribastan. If it is Arribastani owned (i.e., flying the Arribastani flag), you will not touch it.
And no, nobody ever tries to fly the Arribastani flag without being a citizen of Arribastan. The last man that tried that is serving time in a slave labor camp with his family. And he's never getting out.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

Hmm...well, if it's legal to have pot in your country, then I suppose it would be legally our duty to leave the ships alone; however, we would still have, I should think, to conduct searches to make certain that this was all that was being carried. It might be a good idea if, should the operations go ahead, you were to provide a list of the manifests of vessels flying your flag, including registered owner, name, pennant where applicable, and so forth. In this way, we could instantly check with you whether a vessel's cargo was legal.

Of course, these are all just suggestions; I'm certain some arrangement can be met to help stop international smuggling and piracy.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:35
We aren't OMP, but will help Stevid.

The IDF Navy, currently without a mission and looking to do something, will dispatch 6 Charles de Gaulle CVNs with 45 F-35s each.
Each de Gaulle will travel with:
1 Kirov
1 Imperator or Cherokee
2 Ticonderoga IIs
3 Burke DDGs
2 Farragat DDGs
2 Ilan Ramon DDGs
4 Chicago FFGs
2 688i, Seawolf, or Galaxy SSNs
4 supply ships

plus 7 SAGs (each has:)
1 Arizona BB
1 Kirov
1 Imperator or Cherokee
3 Tico IIs
2 Burke DDGs
4 Farragat DDGs
2 Ramon DDGs
5 Chicago DDGs
1 Seawolf SSN
3 supply ships

We hope to help Stevid end the drug and pirate problem
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:36
Generia, I urge you to not interfere. Interferance in this and any wars that result will mean my Navy kicking your Navy in the ass. Stay out of his domestic policy please.

((OOC: It isn't domestic policy. He wants to attack vessels in International waters. Don't threaten someone unless you know what is going on.))
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:36
Hmm...well, if it's legal to have pot in your country, then I suppose it would be legally our duty to leave the ships alone; however, we would still have, I should think, to conduct searches to make certain that this was all that was being carried. It might be a good idea if, should the operations go ahead, you were to provide a list of the manifests of vessels flying your flag, including registered owner, name, pennant where applicable, and so forth. In this way, we could instantly check with you whether a vessel's cargo was legal.

Of course, these are all just suggestions; I'm certain some arrangement can be met to help stop international smuggling and piracy.There are thousands of those ships. It is very simple. If a ship in international waters is flying the Arribastani flag, Don't touch it. If it's in your waters, you have permission to search it.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:37
((OOC: It isn't domestic policy. He wants to attack vessels in International waters. Don't threaten someone unless you know what is going on.))

OOC: it appears you are looking for a showdown and I just want to tell you not to do so. We will crush you if you interfere
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:38
((OOC: It is not smuggling if the drugs are legal in the port in which they are sold. Port Belgrade, Generia for example.))

We support the rights of merchants to peddle their wares internationally, as long as they carry them legally to nations where the sale of narcotics is permitted. If drug carrying vessels are arrested in International waters while legally transporting cargo, then the nation responsible is committing an act of piracy.

OOC: No, but it is smuggling if they are not legal in the port where they're sold; that means that GE vessels carrying, say, opiates to nations where ownership of opiates is not legal is carrying out an act of smuggling.

IC: If drug carrying vessels can prove that they are heading somewhere where the substances within their hulls are legal, there is little reason for them not to proceed on their merry way, bar personal scuples. If however they are proceeding elsewhere, they are smuggling. Surely the distinction is a relatively simple one?
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:38
IDF, if any of those ships board an Arribastani ship in International waters, you will be destroyed.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:38
I want to make it official, all ships in the Suez canal suspected of carrying drugs will be stopped
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:39
IDF, if any of those ships board an Arribastani ship in International waters, you will be destroyed.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
I don't plan on boarding yours as they aren't smuggling since it is legal for it in your nation
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:39
There are thousands of those ships. It is very simple. If a ship in international waters is flying the Arribastani flag, Don't touch it. If it's in your waters, you have permission to search it.

If it's flying an Arrabistani standard and conducting illegal smuggling, then not interdicting it makes a mockery of the entire operation anyway. Your attitude does not invite solution of this problem, which is a pity; this is an opportunity to do something good at little incovenience to yourself or anyone else, save the smugglers, for whom it is a major one.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:40
((OOC: I have better things to do then 'look for a showdown.' I'm telling him not to board other people's ships in International waters. That's piracy. Do you condone piracy? And once again, do not threaten me.))
It isn't piracy, it is policing and we are going to do it
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:41
((OOC: I have better things to do then 'look for a showdown.' I'm telling him not to board other people's ships in International waters. That's piracy. Do you condone piracy? And once again, do not threaten me.))

I do not condone piracy; I also do not condone smuggling. If you're smuggling, then you're already a criminal anyway, and all the talk of "criminals' rights" in the world can't stop that. Why should criminals escape justice because you want to avoid incovenience and be macho?
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:41
((OOC: I have better things to do then 'look for a showdown.' I'm telling him not to board other people's ships in International waters. That's piracy. Do you condone piracy? And once again, do not threaten me.))
I am going to be stopping pirates who are breaking the law, Navys are allowed to patrol and stop illegal activities
Crookfur
16-09-2004, 22:42
OOC: No, but it is smuggling if they are not legal in the port where they're sold; that means that GE vessels carrying, say, opiates to nations where ownership of opiates is not legal is carrying out an act of smuggling.

IC: If drug carrying vessels can prove that they are heading somewhere where the substances within their hulls are legal, there is little reason for them not to proceed on their merry way, bar personal scuples. If however they are proceeding elsewhere, they are smuggling. Surely the distinction is a relatively simple one?

Any vessel has a right to go as pleases without interferance in international waters, while CBG exclusion zoens do confuse the amtter any vessel must be allowed free passage unless you have specific intelligence that they have commited a crime. Intel of intent is simply not enough until they enter at the very least your economic exclusion zone carrying the cargo, youa re free to stop and search any vessel within your waters but not outside of them unless you aheva very very good reason...
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:42
OOC: it appears you are looking for a showdown and I just want to tell you not to do so. We will crush you if you interfere

((OOC: I have better things to do then 'look for a showdown.' I'm telling him not to board other people's ships in International waters. That's piracy. Do you condone piracy? And once again, do not threaten me.))
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:43
((OOC: I am not debating the fact that it is smuggling if the drugs are illegal. I made that clear, but if a ship si in International waters, it can carry whatever it wants to. It is under no laws. The moment it reached national waters, the nation has sovereignty to stop and search the vessel for illegal substances, but if the substances are legal, than they cannot confiscate them. Clear?))

In that case, you have no authority to say I can't do it; no laws applying works both ways. In any case, if you're going to protect criminals because they're more than 12 miles away from a coastline, then sorry, but I don't subscribe to that view and never will.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:44
OOC: No, but it is smuggling if they are not legal in the port where they're sold; that means that GE vessels carrying, say, opiates to nations where ownership of opiates is not legal is carrying out an act of smuggling.

IC: If drug carrying vessels can prove that they are heading somewhere where the substances within their hulls are legal, there is little reason for them not to proceed on their merry way, bar personal scuples. If however they are proceeding elsewhere, they are smuggling. Surely the distinction is a relatively simple one?

((OOC: I am not debating the fact that it is smuggling if the drugs are illegal. I made that clear, but if a ship si in International waters, it can carry whatever it wants to. It is under no laws. The moment it reached national waters, the nation has sovereignty to stop and search the vessel for illegal substances, but if the substances are legal, than they cannot confiscate them. Clear?))
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:44
((OOC: It is against International law to board a ship in International waters. You can not do it legally. Drugs are legal in many countries, and if a ship is travelling to a country in which the sale of drugs is legal, then you cannot stop it in the waters of the nation where drugs are legal, or in International waters. It is very simple.))
OOC: you can complain all you want, but I will do it none the less. You can't do anything about it so stop complaining
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:46
It isn't piracy, it is policing and we are going to do it

((OOC: It is against International law to board a ship in International waters. You can not do it legally. Drugs are legal in many countries, and if a ship is travelling to a country in which the sale of drugs is legal, then you cannot stop it in the waters of the nation where drugs are legal, or in International waters. It is very simple.))
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:47
For the umpteenth bloody time, R E A D. If the vessel's carrying the cargo to a destination where said cargo is legal for sale and/or possession then no, they are not; if they are carrying it where this is not the case (elsewhere) then it is illegal. Have I made it plain enough now? If not, I don't see how I can. Simply: Any vessels smuggling narcotic substances (as defined under int'l law in both cases) will be interdicted.

And what the f**k is wrong with Jolt today?
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:48
In that case, you have no authority to say I can't do it; no laws applying works both ways. In any case, if you're going to protect criminals because they're more than 12 miles away from a coastline, then sorry, but I don't subscribe to that view and never will.

((OOC: You don't get it. They are not criminals if the cargo is legal. Drugs are legal in Generia. If a ship is carrying drugs to Generia, you cannot stop the ship as the merchants are not criminals. This is piracy under national endorsement.))
Crookfur
16-09-2004, 22:48
While not officially speaking for the OMP as a whole i have to say this:
GE is right!
until they enter your waters or waters belonging to a nation where the cargo is illegal no crime has been commited.
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:50
*Shrug* well, I guess I'll have to pension off a few battleships here and there then. God, you try and do something right and what happens? You get shat on.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:51
Official Imperial Statement

IDF, The Imperial Government will warn you once more to stop threatening Generia. To the nations that condone piracy of vessels of a sovereign nation, we will say this:

If a single Generian ship is boarded in International waters, this will be considered an act of war, and we will be forced to retalliate with the full force of The Empire. Leave Imperial shipping alone. If a ship flying an Imperial flag is found to be carrying narcotic substances in your nation's waters, you have every right to search the vessel. In International waters, this is an act of piracy.


OK GE, I have an idea, blackmail. If your nation continues to oppose IDF policy, then we will close off the Suez Canal to your shipping. I'd like to see your industry survive then.
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:51
Then let it be piracy. If your vessels are heading for a nation where drugs are illegal then they deserve what comes to them. All this requires is for nations to provide information on their vessels, no more, no less, and yet you treat it as an affront to your country.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:52
Official Imperial Statement

IDF, The Imperial Government will warn you once more to stop threatening Generia. To the nations that condone piracy of vessels of a sovereign nation, we will say this:

If a single Generian ship is boarded in International waters, this will be considered an act of war, and we will be forced to retalliate with the full force of The Empire. Leave Imperial shipping alone. If a ship flying an Imperial flag is found to be carrying narcotic substances in your nation's waters, you have every right to search the vessel. In International waters, this is an act of piracy.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:53
GE, IDF does not look kindly at your nation. You intentionally murdered over 3,000 tourist in your nation and we have not seen a cent of compensation. We are officially as of now closing off the Suez Canal to all GE shipping until further notice.
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 22:54
IDF, it is unreasonable to board a ship in International waters. Ships can be legally boarded in your waters. Nobody would have a problem with it then. What's so hard about that?
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:55
Official Imperial Statement

IDF policy or blackmail has no hold on Imperial policy. Once more, do not force confrontation on yourself.
Our main reason is your ordered murder of our tourists. GE must pay for it and this issue just brings to light the hostilities.

We also are doing this for your invasion of Psov. We can't let a rogue nation like yours have access to important places like Suez.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:56
IDF, it is unreasonable to board a ship in International waters. Ships can be legally boarded in your waters. Nobody would have a problem with it then. What's so hard about that?
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
My hostilities with GE extend far beyond this. he murdered my citizens and invaded an ally so that is actually the basis of my policy here. It is targeted on GE.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:56
OK GE, I have an idea, blackmail. If your nation continues to oppose IDF policy, then we will close off the Suez Canal to your shipping. I'd like to see your industry survive then.

Official Imperial Statement

IDF policy or blackmail has no hold on Imperial policy. Once more, do not force confrontation on yourself.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:57
((OOC: If this is about the Euroslavia thing, that was an alternate world RP for one thing, meaning none of that ad anything to do with my Empire now. Also, I never murdered anyone, and the prisoners were released. Nikalaos the great killed several protestors, but this is far from 3000. You are a blatant liar.))
OOC: It was 3,000 because the GE and Nikalaos forces opened fire, re-read the RP please. Don't you remember.
Crookfur
16-09-2004, 22:58
*Shrug* well, I guess I'll have to pension off a few battleships here and there then. God, you try and do something right and what happens? You get shat on.

But what you are doing is not right. The exchange of intel and overlap of surveilance mesures is the way to combat smuggeling not direct interferance with the free flow of international commerce.

Also you have a far far higher likelyhood of stopping vessels in your waters than on the high seas, the area involved si simply too great.

The one grey area is vessels off loading to others while sitting just outside nationalw aters here you could well biuld a decent case for impounding the vessel and any nation worth thier salt should be cooperative. Any nation who permits or encourages it's traders to carry out such operations isn't exactly goign to be freindly anyway...
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 22:58
GE, IDF does not look kindly at your nation. You intentionally murdered over 3,000 tourist in your nation and we have not seen a cent of compensation. We are officially as of now closing off the Suez Canal to all GE shipping until further notice.

((OOC: If this is about the Euroslavia thing, that was an alternate world RP for one thing, meaning none of that ad anything to do with my Empire now. Also, I never murdered anyone, and the prisoners were released. Nikalaos the great killed several protestors, but this is far from 3000. You are a blatant liar.))
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 22:58
IDF, it is unreasonable to board a ship in International waters. Ships can be legally boarded in your waters. Nobody would have a problem with it then. What's so hard about that?
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor

The problem as I see it is that that means you have a 12-miles strip in which to stop them. Now given the ease with which it is possible not to unload in a port anyway, that might be problematic, unless we're all happy to assign a fair part of our navies to patrol.
IDF
16-09-2004, 22:59
((OOC: If this is about the Euroslavia thing, that was an alternate world RP for one thing, meaning none of that ad anything to do with my Empire now. Also, I never murdered anyone, and the prisoners were released. Nikalaos the great killed several protestors, but this is far from 3000. You are a blatant liar.))
OOC: alternate world has no meaning, the world thing is just for purpose of RP saying you are attached to a piece of land. Read the sticky concerning that. What happens on 1 world concerning your nation can have effect on another.

You are ignoring the Psov war too.
Crookfur
16-09-2004, 23:00
The problem as I see it is that that means you have a 12-miles strip in which to stop them. Now given the ease with which it is possible not to unload in a port anyway, that might be problematic, unless we're all happy to assign a fair part of our navies to patrol.

You do have the right to search within your EEZ which does extend (usually) to about 140km or so.
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:00
((OOC: You obviously are remembering it wrong. My soldiers never fired. Re-read it yourself, and if you find where it states that I murdered 3,000 tourists, then send me the link. Unless you have re-read it, do not keep spreading lies.))
Your soldiers did participate in it. and if they didn't fire (which they did) they condoned it.

Your status in world trade took a hit from it now and no complaining will get you out of it. Maybe sucking up to me will, but nothing else
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 23:01
The problem as I see it is that that means you have a 12-miles strip in which to stop them. Now given the ease with which it is possible not to unload in a port anyway, that might be problematic, unless we're all happy to assign a fair part of our navies to patrol.
I don't care. Board ships at the docks, then. Set up a system where ships must be examined before offloading.
~J.D. Alcanzar.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:01
OOC: It was 3,000 because the GE and Nikalaos forces opened fire, re-read the RP please. Don't you remember.

((OOC: You obviously are remembering it wrong. My soldiers never fired. Re-read it yourself, and if you find where it states that I murdered 3,000 tourists, then send me the link. Unless you have re-read it, do not keep spreading lies.))
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:01
((OOC: Me and Euroslavia expressly agreed that this would have no effect on any other world relations. You can not make a case on this, so stop trying to do so.))
I wasn't part of the deal and that crime in miniscule compared to invading Psov, an event that happened and led to IDF deaths. You are guilty there are you not?
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:02
((OOC: IDF, you are pushing me to the limits of my patience. I will not be pushed around by you. If this means that millions of people must die, then so be it.))
You wouldn't kill millions just for access to a canal that I own and restricted access to.
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:03
You involved yourself in a personal conflict. It is your fault for engagging my soldiers, not mine for my soldiers defending themselves. You have a skewed vision of reality.
OOC: no I don't when an ally is invaded I help. I had to join because you were warmongering and had to be stopped
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:03
OOC: alternate world has no meaning, the world thing is just for purpose of RP saying you are attached to a piece of land. Read the sticky concerning that. What happens on 1 world concerning your nation can have effect on another.

You are ignoring the Psov war too.

((OOC: Me and Euroslavia expressly agreed that this would have no effect on any other world relations. You can not make a case on this, so stop trying to do so.))
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:04
Your soldiers did participate in it. and if they didn't fire (which they did) they condoned it.

Your status in world trade took a hit from it now and no complaining will get you out of it. Maybe sucking up to me will, but nothing else

((OOC: IDF, you are pushing me to the limits of my patience. I will not be pushed around by you. If this means that millions of people must die, then so be it.))
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:05
No, but I will kill millions to end your bullying of the International community.
OOC: I don't bully nations, but I put warmongers in their place (check CM, or FWS, or Hataria)
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 23:05
IDF, this nation is twice your nation's size. If you board ANY of our ships in international waters, you will be in a state of war with Arribastan immediately, along with any reasonable nations that will take our side.
If you begin to board our ships, we will board your ships in international waters, plant guns on board, and sink your ships and crew to the murky depths of the sea, regardless of where they are heading to. That's Arribastan's national policy on arms smuggling in our waters. If you take smuggling crackdowns into international waters, so will we. Now take our offer or leave it.
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:06
I wasn't part of the deal and that crime in miniscule compared to invading Psov, an event that happened and led to IDF deaths. You are guilty there are you not?

You involved yourself in a personal conflict. It is your fault for engagging my soldiers, not mine for my soldiers defending themselves. You have a skewed vision of reality.
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:06
Psov intended to invade my nation. It was self defence. I was not warmongering. I stated this. You only hear what you want to hear. You are no better than CM.
OOC: Don't you dare call me CM. I'm not a racist like that (can't say due to TOS). I fight CM as he is my enemy. I never saw your evidence as good enough to start a war
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:07
You wouldn't kill millions just for access to a canal that I own and restricted access too.,
No, but I will kill millions to end your bullying of the International community.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:08
OOC: no I don't when an ally is invaded I help. I had to join because you were warmongering and had to be stopped

Psov intended to invade my nation. It was self defence. I was not warmongering. I stated this. You only hear what you want to hear. You are no better than CM.
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:08
OOC: if you attack me for excercising my right of stopping rogue nation's access to Suez the world will come down on you like a ton of bricks. You've made many enemies and became a pariah to the Civilized world
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:09
((OOC: Your lies and propaganda remind me of him. How alike you are even through your hatred.))
OOC: now you are flame baiting. I don't hate people for race or relgion and am very accepting and believing in diversity. I don't even hate you OOCly, just ICly as my Government dislikes your acts. SO don't say I hate people without evidence. The only user I ever OOCly hated was FWS/CM/DA
Arribastan
16-09-2004, 23:10
OOC: if you attack me for excercising my right of stopping rogue nation's access to Suez the world will come down on you like a ton of bricks. You've made many enemies and became a pariah to the Civilized world
How about you just don't board foriegn shipping in international waters? It doesn't sound that hard to me...
~J.D. Alcanzar, Emperor
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:11
OOC: Don't you dare call me CM. I'm not a racist like that (can't say due to TOS). I fight CM as he is my enemy. I never saw your evidence as good enough to start a war

((OOC: Your lies and propaganda remind me of him. How alike you are even through your hatred.))
Japannese Islands
16-09-2004, 23:11
OOC: Are you two really willing to get into a war over the policies of Stevid, which neither of you are officially allied to?
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:12
OOC: Are you two really willing to get into a war over the policies of Stevid, which neither of you are officially allied to?
I'm not getting into a war over it, but GE appears to want to get in a war. I'm just closing my waters off to a rogue
IDF
16-09-2004, 23:13
((OOC: I realize this. I am comparing your nations' skewed perceptions of events.))
OOC: You realize that whatever I post is my governments perception on events. Just like when AMF knows a nation may be innocent (I don't think you are innocent) Damien doesn't always know and wars occur. I am not going to war here, but am sanctioning you.
Generic empire
16-09-2004, 23:14
OOC: now you are flame baiting. I don't hate people for race or relgion and am very accepting and believing in diversity. I don't even hate you OOCly, just ICly as my Government dislikes your acts. SO don't say I hate people without evidence. The only user I ever OOCly hated was FWS/CM/DA

((OOC: I realize this. I am comparing your nations' skewed perceptions of events.))
DontPissUsOff
16-09-2004, 23:29
Well, this has degenerated into a slag-fest. Just so you know, while I admire Stevid's balls in advocating this and for that matter think that it's a damned good idea, it's also probably unnecessary (given that as Crookfur pointed out I can make use on an EEZ to do it); as a result I shan't be bothering.

IDF, GE, calm it will ya?
Stevid
17-09-2004, 18:00
Sorry people but i've been working alot so i couldn't get on line.

Right then, IDF, DontPissUsOff, I thankyou both for your help, and I also thank anyone else who is helping.

GE, I warn now, any aggression against my ship IDF's ships and other allied ships, will result in retaliation.

Stevid forces have been ordered to ---SEARCH--- suspect ships, and suspect ships only. (e.g. Ships docking at extremely early hours in the morning or small boats sailing about late at night.

We are donig this for the good of other nations.

Any nation found supporting pirates will be listed as a pirate nation, and in addition will be monitered closely.
Pacific Northwesteria
18-09-2004, 06:39
----------This is the View of the PN Gov't, Not Necessarily the OMP------------
Boarding sovereign vessels in international waters is an act of piracy, no matter how good the intentions. If you have enough evidence to convince you that this ship has violated the laws of your country, sure. But without evidence? Who appointed you supreme maritime ruler?
Closing the Suez because someone proved you wrong is childish at best. Note also that you (you know who you are) said specifically that it was to hurt their economy. Hampering maritime commerce. I'm remembering some OMP treaty lines having to do with that.... oh, that's right, DON'T DO IT.
It looks like things are finally cooling down (couldn't get on for a while) and I sincerely wish that DPUO, Stevid, IDF, etc. etc. will drop this issue and find something better for your fleets to do. As far as the OMP acting? If the OMP does act as a unit, I don't see how it could do anything but oppose the boarding of ships in international waters. Nothing personal.