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Just Wondering what other people out there have...

Aliban Mechanized Division:
150 MBTs
300 IFVs
75 SPHs
150 trucks
3000 HMMWVs
15,000 men

Aliban Armored Division:
300 MBTs
150 IFVs
75 SPHd
150 trucks
3000 HMMWVs
15,000 men
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Equipment
Main Battle Tanks
M1A1 / M1A2 ABRAMS MAIN BATTLE TANK (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/abrams/index.html)
CHALLENGER 2 MAIN BATTLE TANK (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/challenger2/index.html)

Infantry Fighting Vehicals
WARRIOR TRACKED ARMOURED VEHICLES (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/warrior/index.html)
BRADLEY M2 / M3 TRACKED ARMOURED FIGHTING VEHICLES (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/bradley/index.html)

Self Propelled Howitizers
MLRS MULTIPLE LAUNCH ROCKET SYSTEM (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/index.html)
PALADIN 155MM SELF PROPELLED HOWITZER (http://www.army-technology.com/projects/paladin/index.html)

Trucks
M923 Series 5 Ton Truck (http://army4x4.com/900_series.shtml)
M813 Series — 5-Ton, 6X6 (http://army4x4.com/800_series.shtml)

HMMWVs
M998 HMMWV(equipped with M2 .50 MG,Avenger,TOW II equipt) (http://www.combatindex.com/store/tech_man/hmmwv_01.jpg)
Desert Patrol Vehicle (DPV)/Light Strike Vehicle (LSV) (http://globalspecops.com/photo200/desattackv200.jpg)
Land Rover Defender 110 XD (Extra Duty) (Can be converted to SOV (Special Operations Vehicle with a suitable kit) (http://www.afsouth.nato.int/operations/skopje/images/TFH%200013.jpg)
Perentie 6x6 LRPV (Long Range Patrol Vehicle) (http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/Defender/6x6_Perentie2.jpg)
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How sweet, a newb's army roster. Looks nice, also, just to let you know, newb isnt insulting, it just means your nation is small, noob, is insulting anyway, good roster, au revoir, sleep time for me.

OOC: Truly, I seriously doubt you can afford that army as a starting nation. Your MBT's a lone require a Defence Funding of $1,710,000,000.00.

The Imperial Army of Fate and Honor is as follows in this image: http://img23.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img23&image=Army.jpg

War Minister, Imperial Courts of War.

I dunno, but with the population of a planet, it's gotta be pretty big.

Here's my army:

23'000'000 x THHF Mk1 'Tree-Hugging Hippie-Folk'

Thats the whole entire army there. There is not like 4 divisions. Thats is, so far. Thanks for the comments by the way. I like them because I can use them to improve my nation and army.

The current exact military capabilities of Ghargonia are classified. If you really want to know, wait for 75 standard years and 2004's military capabilities will be declassified. I'll be sure to ship you a copy if you're still alive.

:D

That is well under a 100,000 combat troops that number is perfectly acceptable for his size.

OOC: It isn't about how many men he has, it is about how much of that equipment he can pay for. I can almost gurantee he can't pay for all that because I am almost twice as large and probably couldn't.

Well I'm sorry for having a good time. Do you all want me to get rid of it?

Well, I guess it makes sense, I would almost recommend trying to make those 4 division 8 division for easier to deploy and and easier to defend ones nation from attack. Other then that I think it looks good.

OOC: It isn't about how many men he has, it is about how much of that equipment he can pay for. I can almost gurantee he can't pay for all that because I am almost twice as large and probably couldn't.

Yeah, especially since that's all top-of-the-line stuff he's got there. Trust me, tree-hugging hippie-folk are all you need. My entire nation is liberal-minded environmentalists, and we'll garrotte our opponents with... with a daisy chain.

whats my military status...

Star Fleet:
1 RD-03 Capital Ship
5 RD-02 Flag Ships
180 Z-1 Cruisers
160 Z-2 Cruisers
120 Z-3 Cruisers
200 V-1 destroyers
56 LX-008 Carriers
Then there are a large number of smaller ships.

Army:
2 Million Ro-Bot v.1.0-1.5
1.5 Million Ro-Bot v.2.0-3.0
32 Million Ro-Bot v5.0
1 Million Ro-Bot v.6.0
66,000 BA-01 Mechs


Air force:
1,800 Gun Ships
1,200 Drop ships

Navy:
48 Kreml class B II's
Then there are a number of destroyers, frigets, cruisers and other ships.

Then I ahve huge coastal defense system. these is me as a future tech country. If you where looking for modern just ask....I have one of those to. :P

About two, mechanized, divisions worth. Note that I probably could make it bigger, but I dont want to go too far, too fast.
(about 150 mbt's, 250 ifw's and assorted other vehicles each for a complement around 3000)

Tag

Well I'm sorry for having a good time. Do you all want me to get rid of it?

No no just get used to RPing real fast and learn the value of modesty in online RP. Use the economy rater to get a good idea of the military you can support, and then figure something out based on that. Or just play it safe and use Mosin-Nagant rifles and T-34 tanks, and guerrilla warfare is not only a hell of a lot cheaper than loading each troop with $100'000 of equipment, but in your own territory it's much more effective.

Argh, I am trying to find the statistics so that I can see this guys budget, having a hard time sense I am not at my normal computer: Give me a second and I will give you some base stats:

Nevermind, I can;t seem to find any of my precious websites and statistics!

What dies TAG mena?

What dies TAG mena?

It means 'This Is Why My Post Count Is So High'.

OOC: Ok these prices are pretty accurate:

MBTs: $3.8 Million/piece.
IFVs: Conservatively $500k/piece.
SPHs: $2.0 Million/piece.
Trucks: Conservatively 50k/piece.
HMMWVs: Conservatively 100k/piece armored and fitted.
30,000 men: Around $1,000.00 gear each.
Total: (Around) $2,865,000,000.00

Too much for a starting nation. Please consider before you RP. (I'm not mad at you man)

OOC: It isn't about how many men he has, it is about how much of that equipment he can pay for. I can almost gurantee he can't pay for all that because I am almost twice as large and probably couldn't.
You do realize that if his government controls the iron and steel industry along with the factories that makes the tanks and he has slaves or convicts running them it would basicly be free. Only cost would be water, electricty and stuff like that.

http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=NATION_NAME

^^^ = economy rater. Just replace 'NATION_NAME' with your nation name.

You do realize that if his government controls the iron and steel industry along with the factories that makes the tanks and he has slaves or convicts running them it would basicly be free. Only cost would be water, electricty and stuff like that.

Lets be logical, he would need to still buy refinery equipment and technicains, I wouldn't dare let a Slave or Convict touch a machine like that.

You do realize that if his government controls the iron and steel industry along with the factories that makes the tanks and he has slaves or convicts running them it would basicly be free. Only cost would be water, electricty and stuff like that.

Depends on the total industrial capacity of his nation, how much he can produce from the resources. My government controls EVERY industry, apart from the 14-year-olds selling lemonade (still waiting for an opportunity to stamp that out), and I can't afford a top of the line army.

Just use cheap Russian things. And consider yourself proud.

I didn't know what my army consisted until I was 500 Pop :D

Eh and if you want to look at my army, look at my sig, it has my factbook...

http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=NATION_NAME

^^^ = economy rater. Just replace 'NATION_NAME' with your nation name.
That is a very good site for find your status of your country. I use it all the time.

Wow I guess I was to high. I'm going to change the vehicals around to like T-72's insted of M1A1's. That would make more sence right?

You could just go with a small technological army.

Wow I guess I was to high. I'm going to change the vehicals around to like T-72's insted of M1A1's. That would make more sence right?

Try T-34s. That might be more realistic. :D
No realistically don't go higher than the T-60 for a developing nation.

Oh yeah I really want these for tanks. Lol just kidding.
http://www.mir.com.my/rb/photography/companies/canon/fdresources/SLRs/t60/

Just use cheap Russian things. And consider yourself proud.

I didn't know what my army consisted until I was 500 Pop :D

Eh and if you want to look at my army, look at my sig, it has my factbook...
HEY! Russian technology is very good and completes very well with American technology...so I would shut it before some people lynch you. *Hint hint Bison*

By lynch I mean destroy your country.

I my self have come up with some modern technology which I put under the name of Kreml II, the Kreml I is a Russian Carrier. It was unlimited power and can never run out! BWHAHAHAHHHA!

Try T-34s. That might be more realistic. :D
No realistically don't go higher than the T-60 for a developing nation.
I think him having a low low low number of M1A2's, M1A1's an M-60's for tanks would be just fine. Or you could go with Israeli versions on the Sherman. But T-72's are also fine.

HEY! Russian technology is very good and completes very well with American technology...so I would shut it before some people lynch you. *Hint hint Bison*

By lynch I mean destroy your country.

I my self have come up with some modern technology which I put under the name of Kreml II, the Kreml I is a Russian Carrier. It was unlimited power and can never run out! BWHAHAHAHHHA!

I use Russian Armor, German guns, American Ships, I have diversity ;)

Pssh, I bet it'll run out of power if I bomb it... I don't go for those Naval Fights :P

Here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352433) is a topic describing most of my technologies.

Imperial Navy Listings

(Total #) (Official Designation) (Common Class Designation) (Combat Role) (# Available for Fleet action (# Available for Offensive action)

30 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier (25) (7)
106 SCV-2/F James Cook Class Fleet Carrier (100) (37)
145 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Dreadnought (122) (50)
25 SXBB-32/A Ripper Class Pocket Battleship (25) (25)*
511 SBC-10/L Hammer Class Battlecruiser (472) (85)
1075 SCVE-11/D Beehive Class Escort Carrier (730) (315)
932 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer (905) (755)


3000+ Assorted Supply and Freighter Ships



*These numbers are due to the class being entirely new, using new technology, and basically being designed for offensive operations

The average Carrier Group Consists of


1 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier
4 SCV-2/F James Cook Class Fleet Carrier
2 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Class Dreadnought
6 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
12 Beehive Class Escort Carrier
12 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

100 assorted Supply and Freighter ships

The average Battle Group consists of

1 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier
6 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Class Dreadnought
10 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
28 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

175+ Assorted Supply and Freighter ships

The average Planetary Assault Group consists of

4 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
10 Beehive Class Escort Carrier
16 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

500 Assorted Supply, Frieghter, and Transport ships

MISC

Each Mothership Class carries ten squadrons (12 craft each) of SSF-92 Firecat Space Superiority Fighters, and two squadrons of SMDB-11 Slug Munitions Dispenser/Bombers. Each James Cook Class carries seven squadrons of SSF-92's and three squadrons of SMDB-11's. Each Goliath class carries five squadrons of SSF-92's and one squadron of SMDB-11's. Each Beehive Class carries one squadron of SSF-92's and one-third of a squadron of SMDB-11's.

That isn't the entire thing, either.

I use Russian Armor, German guns, American Ships, I have diversity ;)

Pssh, I bet it'll run out of power if I bomb it... I don't go for those Naval Fights :P
You realize by being diverse it cost more money. That is because they requir diffrent parts and such so you have to make all these factories to make them.

Psst your air craft wont reach within 5,000 Kilometers of my carrier. That is because my Su-48 will destroy it.

Here (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352433) is a topic describing most of my technologies.

Imperial Navy Listings

(Total #) (Official Designation) (Common Class Designation) (Combat Role) (# Available for Fleet action (# Available for Offensive action)

30 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier (25) (7)
106 SCV-2/F James Cook Class Fleet Carrier (100) (37)
145 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Dreadnought (122) (50)
25 SXBB-32/A Ripper Class Pocket Battleship (25) (25)*
511 SBC-10/L Hammer Class Battlecruiser (472) (85)
1075 SCVE-11/D Beehive Class Escort Carrier (730) (315)
932 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer (905) (755)


3000+ Assorted Supply and Freighter Ships



*These numbers are due to the class being entirely new, using new technology, and basically being designed for offensive operations

The average Carrier Group Consists of


1 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier
4 SCV-2/F James Cook Class Fleet Carrier
2 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Class Dreadnought
6 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
12 Beehive Class Escort Carrier
12 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

100 assorted Supply and Freighter ships

The average Battle Group consists of

1 SCV-4/A Mothership Class Supercarrier
6 SBB-3/B Goliath Class Class Dreadnought
10 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
28 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

175+ Assorted Supply and Freighter ships

The average Planetary Assault Group consists of

4 Hammer Class Battlecruiser
10 Beehive Class Escort Carrier
16 SDDG-52/R Robotic Guided Missile Destroyer

500 Assorted Supply, Frieghter, and Transport ships

MISC

Each Mothership Class carries ten squadrons (12 craft each) of SSF-92 Firecat Space Superiority Fighters, and two squadrons of SMDB-11 Slug Munitions Dispenser/Bombers. Each James Cook Class carries seven squadrons of SSF-92's and three squadrons of SMDB-11's. Each Goliath class carries five squadrons of SSF-92's and one squadron of SMDB-11's. Each Beehive Class carries one squadron of SSF-92's and one-third of a squadron of SMDB-11's.

That isn't the entire thing, either.


I hope your carriers are very small because if they are full size super carriers and you to have 102 of them would be godmoding most likely.

You realize by being diverse it cost more money. That is because they requir diffrent parts and such so you have to make all these factories to make them.

Psst your air craft wont reach within 5,000 Kilometers of my carrier. That is because my Su-48 will destroy it.

Eh, I use the HK G36 as my Assualt Rifle, the 9mm as the Pistol, and the UZI as the SubMachineGun. I think that's good hm?

Psssh, my F-18s can get them. I know, the Government told me O_o

Eh, I use the HK G36 as my Assualt Rifle, the 9mm as the Pistol, and the UZI as the SubMachineGun. I think that's good hm?

Psssh, my F-18s can get them. I know, the Government told me O_o
I use the N.I.C.W with a 7.76 NATO size bullet with a uranium tip and it also has a 20-mm Grenade launcher with a five round clip for it. Along with it is a high tech battle suit, the C-01.

Psst Su-48 was used in World at war and they owned F-18's. My Su-48s wil fire at you from over 100 Km away.

I use the N.I.C.W with a 7.76 NATO size bullet with a uranium tip and it also has a 20-mm Grenade launcher with a five round clip for it. Along with it is a high tech battle suit, the C-01.

Psst Su-48 was used in World at war and they owned F-18's. My Su-48s wil fire at you from over 100 Km away.

Very nice, we don't have the suit though :P

Pssh, you can't convince me I have an undying confidence in American Planes :P

Eh, plus I'm too lazy to buy new ones and that would mean resupplying my Armed Forces which'll be a mess.

The Mattikistan Armed Forces are small. Very small. 0.01% of the population typically serves (sometimes less), and 45% of those that do serve typically become medics and relief personnel, in the Armed Forces Humanitarian Regiment. If you actually care and want to know more, you can go to this page. (http://uk.geocities.com/mattikistan/military.htm).

How ya'll doin' ? I am very impressed with the millitary might you guys are showing. However my little country is going more for the don't mess with us and we won't have to mess with you attitude. This nation supports an armed militia. Everyone here has the pride of country and will defend it without question. We are a nation of self sufficient people. We hunt and trap for food and fun, but can put these skills to better use if needed. Can we stand up to a technolically advanced military? Well Nah. We'll probably be holed up waiting on the first wave to end. But watch your step when you get on our turf. See the difference is while you guys spend billions trying to take us down. We'll be spending hundreds a piece on Winchester and Remington ammo. I reckon if we can fool an old Buck into gettin' close enough for a kill then we can do allright with a soldier. Besides, imagine the sight and sounds when we turn loose 100,000 deer dogs to run you army boys. And I can just see our fleet of Jacked up Chevy's, Ford's, And Dodges complete with tobacco stains running down the doors and empty beer cans in the back. Can we stop a tank? Ever blown a stump out of a field with fertilizer and clorox? Laser guided weapons. Hell that ain't no fun, we like to see things blow up! Point is while you guys are breaking the bank, were just huntin' and havin fun. We'll have losses for sure. But when it's to protect friends and family we don't see that as a problem. Anyhow, I just wanted to introduce our country and and let all know we have no intentions of looking for a fight. So our money is better spent elsewhere. Besides, how would most of you even know how to fight on our terms?

I haven't looked at the state of Aliban's economy or anything, but one shouldn't be too quick to rule things out (unless it's a completely collapsed economy or something). Israel has many top of the line AVs and other equipment, and its economy probably rates about Good... of course there's all that aid, but the starting economy's not great, and there's nothing to say that NS states can't get aid in this giant world where cold wars are going on left and right. A nation doesn't have to slap fifty gajillion dollars down on a table and say, "gimme fifty thousand tanks, dude" anyway. Plenty of manufacturers and governments will bend over backwards to win contracts and convince the potential customer that they can afford it in the long run, that they need it whether they can afford it or not, or that, well, we'll give you a private jet and a villa on our holiday coast, Mr.President!

Personally, I've abandoned working with NS populations, anyway. It was no fun having half a million AVs and ninety thousand aircraft.

Today, the official strength of the Unified People's Army of the thirty-four million people'd Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol (AKA the lion's share of Korea) is 1.4million men and women aged 17-44 and 17-32 respectively. Such a huge force will still contain a large proportion of straight-leg infantry, but the UPA’s mechanised strength is none the less undeniably great.

The Red Bamboo, formerly the Banat Combat Corps, serves the nation as its elite force, and comprises a theoretical 140,000 further persons, mainly men in their twenties and thirties. These soldiers are chosen for their exceptional loyalty, commitment, and ability. The corps trains for amphibious, airborne, mechanised, and tunnel warfare and is highly proficient in infiltration tactics. The force is exceptionally well armed and supported, fanatically motivated, and highly experienced in over half a dozen major conflicts since the Republic's birth in the 1930s.

Nb. Many manpower figures relate to official or theoretical strength that may not be fully realised while elements of the southern population remain unsuitable for service.

Equipment available to the UPA-
3,650x Type-192 amphibious APC
-a basic but reliable and versatile chassis capable of crossing tens of miles of low-rate sea. Usually armed with machineguns only.
150x MT-3 “Hotan” Main Battle Tanks
-built in Beth Gellert and armed with a 125mm BGMkIII gun. Easily a match for modern western MBTs.
1,440x Type D-18 Main Battle Tanks
-a Drapoel 115mm gun-armed tank akin to the T-62 from which it clearly draws inspiration at least.
1,600x Type D-14 medium tanks
-a highly mobile Drapoel tank designed specifically to fight in Korea's mountains and armed with a Chinese Type 83-I 105mm gun.
360x Type D-42 Chi-To (M) medium tanks
-an archaic design left over from around the '40s when Drapoel spies acquired data on Japanese late-war experimental tanks. Originally armed with 75mm guns they now tend to shoehorn 100mm or even 105mm and 115mm guns into awkward new turrets.
1,400x Type D-19 light amphibious tanks
-based on the Type-192 APC and armed with a 75mm gun and Susong-Po ATGM related to AT-3 Sagger.
8,500x Self-Propelled Guns 75mm, 100mm, 105mm, 150mm, 190mm calibre
-usually based on Type-192 APC or disused WWII-era tank chassis, though a new turreted 150mm gun has been seen on parade in Seoul.
4,500x Towed Guns 75mm, 100mm, 105mm
-used in anti-tank and artillery roles.
3,600x Multiple-Launch Rocket Systems, 122mm and 289mm
-mostly quite crude but none the less effective. 289mm weapons may have Beth Gellen roots and could be superior.
14,000x Mortars, 74mm, 109mm, and 146mm
-often truck or AV-mounted, though 74mm weapons may be carried by several infantrymen.

Reserve Units-

People’s Rear Defence Organisation
2.4 million persons, men and women aged 17-44 and 17-32 respectively, who are not part of the Unified People’s Army or primary rear-area military infrastructure.
The UPA supervises the PRDO, which trains for around forty days a year. The PRDO is active in contingencies, units often serving under UPA or Banat officers, and is supposed to be capable of limited offensive operations on a local scale and for a limited time. UPA mechanised elements may be attached to PRDO formations. This organisation constitutes the core of the nation’s reserves and would be tasked with fairly heavy combat operations in the event of invasion, especially if the UPA was seriously deployed to the south. Much of the light equipment used by UPA formations is also available to the PRDO.

Kuro Student Defence League (KSDL)
1.7 million 13-16yr old students drilling each Sunday for five hours (260hrs a year) plus variably scheduled off-campus drills totalling 340 further yearly hours. In peace the KSDL is organised by Local Civil Defence Directoratures, and in contingencies is answerable to the Unified People’s Army.
KSDL fighters would be armed mainly with 6.5mm and 7.7mm Type-99 bolt-action rifles, 8mm sub-machineguns, hand-grenades, and other explosives.
The League would be officially tasked with observation of enemy movements in its locale, sabotage, reinforcing checkpoints and other reserve/militia-staffed positions. It is conceivable that KSDL units may be used more aggressively on a local scale should the situation become critical.

Working Women’s Home Brigade
Around 150,000 unmarried women aged 17-32 who are not part of the PRDO train for up to forty days a year. The Brigade is primarily concerned with operating air defence machineguns on ridges and over valleys around sensitive areas. They provide rotational skeleton crews for many positions during peace time, meaning that a fairly high state of readiness is maintained off duty.

-The Yasuki Jing Medal for Bravery and Vigilance is applicable to the KSDL and WWHB.

United Worker’s Militia
6 million older men aged 45-60, men aged 17-44 who are not part of the PRDO or UPA, and unmarried women aged 17-32 who are not part of the PRDO, UPA, or WWHB. This unit is secondary to the PRDO and its strengths will lie in the intimidation factor provided by such a massive mobilisation and in harassing invaders across any part of the country without relent. The UWM tends to be modestly equipped and reliant upon ex-service arms from before the Republic’s opening and recent Kuro progress. It is probably incapable of sustained mobilisation or offensive operations.

People's Army Air Force-
127,000+ million men and women
380x Mi-2 Hoplite transport/armed support helicopters
168x Mi-8 Hip transport/armed support/command/electronic-warfare helicopters
42x Mi-14 shore-based naval rescue/ASW helicopters
165x L2D4 utility transport/diplomatic transport/airborne command aircraft
370x AN-2 Colt utility transport/airborne assault transport planes
24x S-11 front-line fighters
-Beth Gellen fighter AKA Hobgoblin. Top of the line interceptor built for export with minor modifications
36x S-10 front-line fighters
-Another BG aircraft AKA Cardinal. Highly agile point defence fighter.
288x S-7 fighters/interceptors
-Drapoel Fishbed
240x S-6 interceptors
-Drapoel Flagon
312x S-5 fighter/attackers
-Primitive native aircraft akin to Faggot, Fresco et cetera
108x K-1 fighter-bombers
-Native attacker
120x K-2 fighter-bombers
-Drapoel Fitter
Training and other aircraft-
232x S-1 Zero elemental trainers
36x S-3 Shinden Jetto standard jet trainers
12x S-4 Super Shinden jet trainers/experimental platform/aerodynamic research aircraft
4x S-10 Cardinal twin-seat trainers
2x S-11 Hobgoblin twin-seat trainers

Air Defence Command-
4x CS-400 Red Sky Beth Gellen SAM/ABM battalions deployed to Da’Khiem, Kanggye, Pyongyang, and Seoul for long range and anti ballistic-missile defence.
12x S-200/SA-5 Gammon batteries for a total of 72 rails giving 255km range air defence from the Republic’s coasts and borders against large aircraft such as AWACS.
11x HQ-2B SAM regiments, 198 launchers in batteries of six, usually in regiments of three batteries deployed in rings to defend towns and important facilities at Najin, Kanggye, Da’Khiem, Namp’o, Wonsan, Haeju, Inch’on, Suwon, Hotanang, Andong, and Kangung.
120x DRAR-19 SAM launchers, eighty static and forty mounted on Type-192 APCs, trucks, or trailers.
7,200x QW-2 MANPADS
1,800x D-ZSU-47-2 SPAAAGs
15,000x Anti-Aircraft Artillery guns static, truck-mounted, and towed 100mm, 75mm, 47mm, 30mm, 14.5mm

Unified People’s Navy-

East Sea Fleet
Admiral Kim-Kuro, based at Wonsan with major bases at Najin, Kimch’aek, and Kangung, and many more small bases and fortified pens.
-1xKurosian I Class light patrol frigate
At 1,400t. these are the largest vessels serving the UPN, with the exception of merchant marine vessels that may be requisitioned
-14xHoujian Class missile attack boats
-82xMogi Class missile craft
-24xTiburon Class patrol craft
-140xKae Class torpedo boats
-12xHound Class D/E submarines
-19xBap Class minature-submarines
-17xInchon Class landing craft utility
-9xHungnam Class landing craft utility
-49xChoson Class landing craft personnel
-72xCholima Class hovercraft assault vehicles
-26xThree Day Class assault-support boats
-18xGoat Class minesweeping vessels
-1xKowan Class submarine rescue ship
-100s of 75mm, 100mm, 105mm, 150mm, 190mm coastal battery guns
-22xDSJ-1 and 12xQian Wei anti-shipping missile batteries
=493 vessels

Yellow Sea Fleet
Admiral Li-Il, based at Namp’o with other major bases at Haeju and Inch’on, and countless small bases and fortified pens.
-1xKurosian I Class light patrol frigates
-10xHoujian Class missile attack boats
-56xMogi Class missile craft
-16xTiburon Class patrol craft
-92xKae Class torpedo boats
-7xHound Class D/E submarines
-15xBap Class miniature-submarines
-15xInchon Class landing craft utility
-16xHungnam Class landing craft utility
-102xChoson Class landing craft personnel
-94xCholima Class hovercraft assault vehicles
-23xThree Day Class assault-support boats
-12xGoat Class minesweeping vessels
-1xKowan Class submarine rescue ship
-100s of 75mm, 100mm, 105mm, 150mm, 190mm coastal battery guns
-6xDSJ-1 and 10xQian Wei anti-shipping missile batteries
=460 vessels

The Holy Empire has an 8 million man defence force. Specifics will be posted later when I get the Word document off my other computer.

Omicron Alpha doesn't have a military. There are several military companies, however, which are under contract with Omicron Alpha Government Incorporated to defend the country if attacked. Given the high regard with which money is held, here, they would defend us religiously. In fact to us, the economy of Omicron Alpha is more important than our very lives, and any one person would gladly die to keep our economy profitable.
The main military company is OMilitary Ltd. They hire their troops out all over the world, which is very profitable for them. Currently, we estimate 6% of the population of Omicron Alpha work for a military company in some way. Only half of that figure are actual soldiers, however -- the rest are administrative personnel. Out of the 3% of the population who are soldiers, 2% of those work for OMilitary Ltd. The rest work for the other major military companies.
Because of their nature, OMilitary Ltd uses a variety of different technologies to make affordable packages for smaller nations or private customers, or to make powerful, advanced, but expensive packages for the more up-market clients. So it can range from anything like old Soviet tanks to M1A2 and Gladiator tanks. Their light arms and artillery are similarly varied. Their navy, however, uses the latest ships as they do not hire out to small-scale customers.

I use the N.I.C.W with a 7.76 NATO size bullet with a uranium tip and it also has a 20-mm Grenade launcher with a five round clip for it. Along with it is a high tech battle suit, the C-01.

Psst Su-48 was used in World at war and they owned F-18's. My Su-48s wil fire at you from over 100 Km away.


And any european fighter will fire at you from 120-150km... (or they will in a few years time).

Unfrotunatly the USAF does have a rather bad habit of beign seriously owned by opposing force in exercises most recently by the Indian AF/naval air force of coruse this may be down to american overconfidence or american generals looking for reasons to justify future programs ie the F-22 and JSF.

American aircraft are not all they have cracked up to be but the US govenrment just ignores this as it trys to shove it's wares down everyone's throat be it the F15 in fighter compentitions where it is seriously out matched by european options (Ef typhoon and rafale) or threatening to cut diplomatic contact if nations dare to choose the Grippen over old model second hand F16s.

As to starter tanks for a new antion i would say go with either previous genration western designs such as Cheiftan, M1A1 or upgraded M60s or private venture export tanks like the Stingray I&II and vickers MK3, heck even a fleet of centurions with modern 105mm guns or even shermans with the super nice isreali 60mm HV gun are very good options that will kill the majority of targets.

personally i'm going for a mixed fleet of centurions and upraded sheridans (armed with either the isreali 60mm or the proposed 75/120 gun) for my small african puppet.

I was wondering...

If I had a 3-million strong army, and one division has 20000 men, does that mean that I have 150 divisions?

Originally, 40% of the population of Gorkon served the armed forces in some way. While only a fraction of that number were actual soldiers, the rest being administrative personnel and people working in military-owned factories, it was still a large number. That was a direct result of Monarchy rule, however.

Since the Monarchy was overthrown, however, mutinational businesses have been allowed into Gorkon. Businesses have started here. Commerce is flourishing, and people have gone to work for companies instead of services.
Now, 7% of people serve the military. 4% of those work in factories -- which also make money through sales of military hardware. Another 1% are administrative personnel, leaving 2% of people as actual soldiers in the Military. The standard armament of an infantryman is the GP5B 9mm, a Gorkonian variant of the MP5 range, and the G7118, a 9mm Gorkonian-designed handgun. Shadow Squad, our elite division under the control of the Intelligence Department, uses a silenced variant of the GP5B, however the exact alterations are classified even from the Military.
M16s and a variety of handguns, shotguns, LAWs, SAWs and other firearms and explosive weapons are also in active service in smaller quantities, more than it is necessary to list here.

We also operate varying numbers of mechanised divisions and aircraft. Exact figures for some types remain classified, and vary as we balance our army.

G23 'Gladiator' MBT -- Over 2,500 in service currently. New model; mass production has only recently commenced.
G22 'Sentinel' MBT (currently fills out mid-range tank deficit) -- Just under 500 in service.
G112 'Vandal' Light Tank -- 3,000 in service currently.
'Crusader' artillery -- Currently in R&D phase.
MiG-29MU -- 250 in service.
MiG-31M2 -- 50 in service.
Tu-22M7 -- 15 in service.
Avenger Fighter/Bomber (G12) -- 5,000 in service.
Vanquish-class Gorkonian Battleship -- 13 commissioned, 3 under construction.
Marquis-class Gorkonian Cruiser -- 142 commissioned, 13 under construction.
Liberator-class Gorkonian Destroyer -- 212 commissioned, 8 under construction.
Chikara-class Aircraft Carrier -- 3 commissioned.
Titanus-class Aircraft Carrier -- 0 commissioned, under construction.

Seemingly small numbers are a result of designing and constructing all models ourselves*#. Titanus-class Heavy Aircraft Carrier is expected to be completed in five years.

OOC =
*MiG-29MU, MiG-31M2, Tu-22M7, & Chikara-class Carrier purchased from DPUO and Torakev respectively.
#I also wasn't entirely sure what sort of numbers I should have. I did look for some stats regarding the USA, so that I could work up from there, but... so I tried to keep the numbers low until I had more solid grounds to go on than guessing.

EDIT: I've changed them slightly; although I've only changed those which are produced in Gorkon (ah, the benefits of producing most of your own equipment designs). Based on new evidence. Still unsure, though.

I hope your carriers are very small because if they are full size super carriers and you to have 102 of them would be godmoding most likely.

Well, considering I have the engineering might of 2300 years between me and the industrial revolution, the production power of 25 star systems (and 29 planets), and the population of those systems along with countless space-based colonies, that isn't actually much; especially considering almost all of them are kept around inside my own space for defensive purposes.

IC: I regret to inform you that your request for information has been denied by the Department of Defense. Such information is considered highly classified and will not be distributed to a country we are unfamiliar with.

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[OOC: I have a listing of what I have somewhere, but I haven't updated it since May 22 and I've bought a ton of stuff since then. I've been hopelessly lazy about keeping it up-to-date, so it will take a long time to organize everything. I'll say for a rough guesstimate that my peacetime army is about 6 million, with one million being front line troops. My navy is somewhere in the vicinity of 2,000 ships. My air force is probably in the 15,000 range, but I haven't done anything to check it in a long time.

I know what I've given you isn't all that detailed, but I just have gotten way too lazy and not well organized with my military stuff.]

And any european fighter will fire at you from 120-150km... (or they will in a few years time).

Unfrotunatly the USAF does have a rather bad habit of beign seriously owned by opposing force in exercises most recently by the Indian AF/naval air force of coruse this may be down to american overconfidence or american generals looking for reasons to justify future programs ie the F-22 and JSF.

American aircraft are not all they have cracked up to be but the US govenrment just ignores this as it trys to shove it's wares down everyone's throat be it the F15 in fighter compentitions where it is seriously out matched by european options (Ef typhoon and rafale) or threatening to cut diplomatic contact if nations dare to choose the Grippen over old model second hand F16s.

As to starter tanks for a new antion i would say go with either previous genration western designs such as Cheiftan, M1A1 or upgraded M60s or private venture export tanks like the Stingray I&II and vickers MK3, heck even a fleet of centurions with modern 105mm guns or even shermans with the super nice isreali 60mm HV gun are very good options that will kill the majority of targets.

personally i'm going for a mixed fleet of centurions and upraded sheridans (armed with either the isreali 60mm or the proposed 75/120 gun) for my small african puppet.
I may have said I would fire at him from 100 Kilometers away but I never said that was the max range of our missiles. I only said that is how far I would fire at him, also it is not the air craft that decides the range of the missile. I have missiles launched from air that gove over 300Km.

Here's my stats (I'm not sure if it's a fair size, but I did purchase them legally in storefronts):

Airforce:

100 E-3 Sentry AWACS
300 KC-10 Extenders
300 KC-135 Stratotankers
200 V-22 Ospreys
300 F-16C Falcons
17 B-2 Bombers
300 P-7 (LRAACA)


Navy:

3 Ohio SSBN
2 Wasp II class
10 Standard Destroyer, Farragut Class
1 Yorktown class CVN
100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters (Naval Verson)
10 Illeana Vassili-Class Carrier (Fully loaded with F-35)
20 SSN-688 Los Angeles Sub
30 Seawolf Subs
50 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
40 Oliver Hazard Perry Destroyer/Frigate
30 Arleigh Burke AEIGS Destoryer
3 Guillen Class Battleships
100 Arleigh Burke DDG

Army:

1 Million Soldiers
300,000 Special Forces
Production rights for the FA-22K tank, and the FA-29K tank
7800 M1A2 Abrams MBTs
14800 M-2 Bradley Fighting Vehicles
10000 M-113A3 Armored Personnel Carrier
2400 M-48 Chapparral Mobile SAM Launcher
2000 HMMWV Avenger Anti-Aircraft Missile System
4000 Crusader Artillery
2000 M-270A1 MLRS Mobile Rocket Launcher
3600 RAH-66 Comanche Helicopters

National Guard:

3,000 JOKE 87 AA Centers
3,000 35 ItK 88s
1,500 ItO 96, BUK M1 SAMs
24 Ohio class submarines
-576 Trident II missiles
72 B-2 Spirit
-1152 AGM 129
18 KC-10 refeulers
18 E-3 Sentry AWACS
972 F-16s
790 LGM 118A Peacekeeper ICBMs
800 Ground Based Interceptors
2592 SA-2 Guideline missiles

16 LAS-F100 'Fistfight'
http://www.military.cz/russia/air/s.../big/T-43_1.jpg


Civilian:

1,600 Airbus A380s
300 Boeing 757-300

Since my nation is a military strong nation, I have a pretty big army, tough I have a small population. I can't say what my army consists of yet, but I can say that it contains some 300.000 units.

I am currently under the theory that I have made many enemies. I may have accidentally bombed your capital, or I may have punched you out in a bar fight (OOC I like to start those. It's easy too. Punching a drunk man is like painting your ass red and then mooning a herd of wild bulls), who knows what I may have done to you; which is why my strength shall be withheld. I am particuarly fond of the thought that nations weaker than me are mortified of the thought of an attack on their nation from me. All I shall reveal to my potential opponents is that I may strike at any time and at any magnitude.

Sincerely yours,
Almighty overlord with no Name

Since my nation is a military strong nation, I have a pretty big army, tough I have a small population. I can't say what my army consists of yet, but I can say that it contains some 300.000 units.
(P.S.--I have more units than that)

my army was just given away so that i could spend time and money on a new army (just advanced to mech age)

4 daishi snipers
25 shadow cat island walkers
7 atlas asault mechs
4 brontodons
and 16 command wolfs

My complete militiary roster, along with an incomplete force deployment roster, can be found here (http://www.geocities.com/bonesacke/forces.html). Yes, maybe quite alot for a new nation, but considering the location of my territories, (www.geocities.com/bonesacke/Possessions.html)
and my budget (http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=bonesacke , the billions is the defense budget, notice it is much less than one percent), I figure I am doing pretty well off.

Only thing I have fully calculated out is numbers, which is a massive 30 million (combat) and 53,100,000 support.

Currently my land forces have four million men w/o anything really to do (looking for gear) and the rest of the forces are kinda up in the air (except for numbers).

Army (Including Special Forces, but not “Arch Crusaders”)
10,750,000

4.0 million infantry (100 Corps of 40,000 troops) in "amy" [A.M.I.] combat armor.

500,000 Special Forces (Advance Scouts and their ilk)

300,000 "Vanguard" MBT (3 men each: 900,000 men)

550,000 "Lightning" Fast attack/escort pack tanks (550,000 men)

100,000 "Galaxy" Vertical take-off transports: Carries, two 10 men squad and 1 vehicle (Lighting, Hummer, etc) (1 pilot 3 gunners= 400,000 men) (http://www.planetside-universe.com/images/vehicles/galaxy_sm.jpg)

90,000 pieces of artillery (manpower variant, around 500,000 men)

225,000 APCs

50,000 anti-infantry rollers (4 .50 cal with x-ray/infrared for blasting infantry within towns)

Imperial Guard
the best in my military. well trained in the art of house-house fighting, well equipped with MP-5 submachine guns, Desert Eagle pistols, SR40 Sniper rifles , and MG-3 machine guns.
they have GT-1's, GT-2's, CF-7's, MLRS, M-12 IFV's, KL-55s, KL-60's, KL-65's, and KL-77s.
these men are the last line of defense in Arribastan, and are better trained and equipped than any other ground branch of Arribastan. only 4.8 million men are in this branch.

4,000,000 men with MP-5/MG-3/SR40/Desert Eagles 5,000 GT-1 tank
5,000 GT-2 tank
1,000 HI-58 heli
5,000 M-12 IFV
2,000 KL-77 combat-transport heli
1,000 KL-60 Multi-role assault heli
1,000 KL-65 Armed recon heli
1,000 KL-55 Sabre hevy gunship heli
750,000 support personnel

Army
front-line troops. not as well-equipped or trained. 70% of them are reserves, used much like imperial Guard. the other 30% are for foreign assault troops. these are equipped with much of the same items as the Imperial Guard, except the primary weapon is the FAMAS bullpup.
the Army has 12.9 million men involved.

10,000,000 infantry with FAMAS/MG-3/SR40/Desert Eagles
3,000 CF-1 MBT’s with ATGM’s
10,000 GT-2’s
10,000 GT-1’s
10,000 MLRS
10,000 CF-7
4,000 M-12
1,000 EA-24C Transport helicopters
2,000 EA-32 Light attack helicopters
1,000 Hi-58
58,000 fuel trucks
2,600,000 million support personnel

Marines
this is our main foreign troop section. they are slightly better trained than the Army, while not as good as Imperial Guard. they are exactly half the size of the army, but otherwise identical. these men are trained for quick sea movement.

5,000,000 infantry with FAMAS/MG-3/SR40/Desert Eagles (minus 215,000 at sea)
5,000 CF-7
1,500 CF-1 MBT’s with ATGM’s
5,000 GT-2’s
5,000 GT-1’s
5,000 MLRS
2,000 M-12
500 EA-24C Transport helicopters
1,000 EA-32 Light attack helicopters
500 Hi-58
29,000 fuel trucks
1,300,000 million support personnel


SETUP
10 men per squad
5 squads per Platoon (50)
3 Platoons per Company (150)
5 companies per battalion (750)
4 battalions per brigade (3,000)
5 brigades per division (15,000)
4 divisions per corps (60,000)
3 corps per field army (180,000)
4 field Armies per Standard Army (720,000)
7 Standard Armies per Army group (5,040,000)

1 Army group of Marines + 125 Armor Battalions supporting (10 GT-1 and 10 GT-2 per armored company)+ 125 Artillery Battalions supporting (10 MLRS and 10 CF-7 per artillery company)

2 Army groups of regular army + 250 Armor battalions supporting (10 GT-1 and 10 GT-2 per armored company) + 250 Artillery Battalions supporting (10 MLRS and 10 CF-7 per artillery company)

4 Standard armies of Imperial Guard + 125 Armor battalions supporting (10 GT-1 and 10 GT-2 per Armored company)

NAVY
consists of about 2 million men. supercarriers are either Bisonic supercarriers or Retribution class carriers. all regular carriers are Nimitzes. Razors, retributions, and removals are of my own design. all fighters are of the latest models unless otherwise noted.
cruser=ticonderoga
frigate=oliver hazard perry
destroyer A= Spruance
Destroyer B= Arleigh Burke
Tankers =supply class
battleship = iowa.

1st Marine Expeditionary Force, consisting of:
10 cruiser
10 frigates
15 destroyer A
5 Destroyer B
1 battleship
10 tankers
2 Wasp Assault ship, each with:
_20 Sea Stallions
_2,000 marines.
3 helicopter Assault ship, each with:
_2,000 marines
_40 Sea Stallions
1 carrier, with:
_40 F-22 Sea Raptors
_10 F/A 18F hornets
_10 prowlers
_10 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes

2nd Marine Expeditionary force, consisting of:
10 frigate
15 destroyer A
5 Destroyer B
10 cruiser
10 tanker
5 Removal-class helicopter carrier, each with:
_40 Sea stallion
_10 ASW helicopters
_4,000 marines
1 Razor-Class Battlecarrier, with:
_40 JSF carrier launch
_5 sea stallion helos
_10 F/A 18F hornets
_10 Prowlers
_10 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes
10 LSD’s, each with:
_5 M1A1 abrams
_10 modified hummers


6 Super carrier battle groups, each consisting of:
10 cruisers
10 frigates
15 destroyer A
5 Destroyer B
30 tankers
1 Battleship
2 carriers, each with:
40 JSF carrier launch
_5 sea stallion helos
_10 F/A 18F hornets
_10 Prowlers
_10 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes
1 super carrier with:
_40 JSF carrier launch
_40 F/A 18F hornets
_10 prowlers
_5 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes
_5 Sea stallions
9 modified wasp, with
_20 Sea Stallions
_2,000 marines.
_30 LSDs. (not involved with wasp) each with:
5 Abrams
10 modified hummers

2 of this type of battle group
Cargo Group
50 cargo ships/Landing Ships, each with:
2,500 men and 150 tanks or
750,000 sq. feet
50 tankers
50 frigates
35 destroyer A
10 Destroyer B
15 cruisers
5 Battleships
1 Carrier, with:
_40 JSF carrier launch fighters
_5 sea stallion helos
_10 F/A 18F Hornets
_10 Prowlers
_10 Intruders
_10 Hawkeyes

No Group(match with Escort groups)
100 Ohio Subs
250 Seawolf-class subs

Just Wondering what other people out there have...

Aliban Mechanized Division:
150 MBTs
300 IFVs
75 SPHs
150 trucks
3000 HMMWVs
15,000 men

Aliban Armored Division:
300 MBTs
150 IFVs
75 SPHd
150 trucks
3000 HMMWVs
15,000 men


ooc: I reall hate to n00b whack here, but I'm pretty sure I designed those divisions, and it took me at least a year to think it all out. My army's been redesigned over and over, and finally I arrived at this rather simplified alternative.

But really, these divisions are carbon copies of mine! Sure, perhaps two people have divisions with the same amount of tanks sometimes, but your orgaization is exactly like mine, with the exception being that my tanks are German Leapord IIs and my IFVs are CV-90s.

I'm wondering, did you come up with this on your own? Or did you find it one day in someone's thread and steal it? If so, please give credit where credit is due.

I'm not mad at you. Perhaps it is a coincidence (though i highly doubt it). If not, I'm somewhat pleased that my divisional organization is approved by other nations. But if they are, I'd like at least that you say that it was my idea, not yours. Just as a matter of curtosy.

[Well, I won't make a long-winded post detailing exact numbers because such an activity is mind numbing unless it serves a higher purpose. However, I will say that I have 234 divisions (army and marines combined), over 1,000 ships (not American ships but fairly advanced and damned expensive custom-designed warships), and over 25,000 aircraft.]

by the way, I posted my organizations in this thread. Scroll down a bit, and you'll find a post by me. It shows my divisional organizations, which are exacly the same as yours, somehow.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352216

I may have said I would fire at him from 100 Kilometers away but I never said that was the max range of our missiles. I only said that is how far I would fire at him, also it is not the air craft that decides the range of the missile. I have missiles launched from air that gove over 300Km.
I never mentioned the max rnage of the missiles at all i merely mentioned the launch rnage as well.

The soviets are actually working on a 400km missile but it is so huge a fighter can carry a whole 1 of them and it apparently has a rediculously small no escape zone, even against air liners (ie AWACs).
thats just Rl missile when you coem to NS you meet far far nastier stuff.
Actually the alunch aircraft does in alrge number of situations dictate the range at which you launch as unless you have soemthing like JTIDS/link 16 or better then your fighters are relying on thier radar to provide intial targeting, yes you can launch soemthing like the KS-172 blind but thier effectiveness is seriously degraded unless you cna give them command updates

The Asgard Hegemony has very little in the way of an armed force, however we do have some defensive measures available to use

5 Bilisknr-class defense vessels
1 O'neill-class defense vessel

A few million personnel, a few hundred spacedyships, who can keep track of it all? At some point you realize that single-handedly keeping detailed records for a fictional military for a fictional country larger than half the real world with a raging economy that spends more than 99.98 percent of the rest of NS on defense is a wee bit too much effort. Except of course to be able to say in these kinds of threads, I'M BIG!