NationStates Jolt Archive

*approaches Folco Boffin, Prime Minister of East Canuck, Primogen of Information, and Keeper of Elysium*

It would be tragic to cut short our celebration, I am sure, but pressing matters require our attention. War seems to be brewing between the AUgust Personage and the Happy Uncle Auggie. As Primogen of Regional Defence, I feel it is my duty to insist that we convene the Council of Primogen post haste. Fortunately, I believe that I have found a way to make use of the Temporis-like properties of this world and these halls to allow us a great deal of latitude in assigning our time to our duties as well as our pleasures.

*while talking, has been slowly walking alongside the Prime Minister, leading him down a hallway of the building he has chosen for Elysium, to a great door beyond which the arrangement of an elegent conference room, ordered by Folco himself only an hour or so ago, has somehow, in some strange time-warp way, already been completed; two Shirt Ninjas, seen, and however many more unseen, guard the doors, still awaiting Sheriff Poor's ratification or decommission of their detail; inside a large oval table of oak is ringed at one end by five great chairs, with chairs of lesser splendour sitting against the walls, to be used by any non-Primogen with reason to attend*

"Indeed" Says Folco Boffin.

"This room will do nicely. However, I will have to fire someone as it was supposed to be ready an hour ago. I had to stall the announcement of the primogen a little because of this.

Right, you don't care about trivial details. About the war: we'll wait for the other primogen to come here, but I'm for supporting the winning side as soon as we determine which it is."

The heavy clomping sound of boots is heard coming down the hall, towards the meeting room. The door opens and Strom walks in, finally dressed in clothes not torn or ripped but somewhat less formal. He pauses in the doorway, seeing only Druthulhu and Folco.

"Oh, guess I got here earlier than some of the others," he says in observation. Walking over to the oval table, Strom picks a chair but doesn't sit down yet. Convienently, he chooses the chair on Folco's left. "We will be planning to discuss this imminent war?" asks Strom, a statement as much as a question.

The door opens again and Dirsko Anisimov, Grand Tsar of Dementate and newly elected Primogen of Commerce enters, looking quite proud to be part of the meeting. He takes a brief moment to adjust his suit, tucking a bloodstained handkerchief back into its pocket before finding an open chair. He looks around to the others present and asks, "I haven't missed anything yet, have I?"

The God-King, Gregor Asmadi, slips quietly into the room.

"Sorry I'm late, but I only just found out about this meeting," says the Primogen of Foreign Affairs. The God-King takes one of the remaining seats.

"I believe the topic is the impending war between The August Personage and The Happy Uncle Auggie, yes? To be honest, if this thing actually develops into open conflict, it won't last long. The Jade Emperor's forces will overwhelm those of the Giovanni in short order, unless there is sizeable outside assistance."

*sits*

First thing is first: I vote Folco Boffin to be chair of this meeting, and to hasten matters I propose that we invite representitives of the disputing parties to attend.

First thing is first: I vote Folco Boffin to be chair of this meeting, and to hasten matters I propose that we invite representitives of the disputing parties to attend.

Seconded on the chairman.

All in favor, raise your hand.
All opposed, cross your arms.

Seconded on the chairman.

All in favor, raise your hand.
All opposed, cross your arms.

*raises a hand*

The God-King raises his hand.

Then the motion passes.

Now onto first order of buisness, the Imyn Escalation.

I see that the Jade Emperor is not willing to back down as he has stated in Elysium, which incidentely seems to be his foreign policy ever since his first expansion.

I believe the Giovanni have a right to the Imyn region as they are the one who conquered it in the first place. However, they are open to negociations.

Primogen Druthulhu, as responsible of Defense, what do you think we should do?"

*stands*

Well, we could do as certain mortal organizations do: impose sanctions, set up trade embargos, et cetera. And if we did we could expect all of the successes that they typically enjoy: backroom deals, flouting of international concerns, et cetera.

I believe we should from the outset show a firm hand. If the August Personage is unwilling to enter negotiations, we should be prepared to send in a multinational peace-keeping force, to impose acceptable boundries on the parties, or to remove unlawful aggressors.

And I would like to note my agreement with the honourable Primogen's assessment that the practice of the protection and absorbtion of anarchic nations was first initiated by the August Personage, yet now it seems that he himself is not satisfied with its results when practiced by another. In principle, he has no right to the lands he claims, as his borders have never been before defined by what lies beneath the ground, and as the fields at issue had always been the province of Imyrn.

*sits*

"A good point, Lord Protector," Gregor says. "The Jade Emperor is the one who initiated our region's practice of absorbing anarchic nations. A practice which Asmadonia has benefitted from, as has your own nation. This current situation is most troubling in that in all previous cases, the annexing was uncontested. Our fear is that future instances will generate this same type of conflict.

As to what should be done, that is tricky. I don't know that the Jade Emperor will respond to sanctions. At least not in the way that we hope. I trust we all recall the Hedgetopian Plague incident? All we wished to do was to send in scientists to assure ourselves that the plague was truly neutralized. We had no wish to contest the claim on the territory by The August Personage. And yet, we were nearly thrust into a war over it. We even lost our delegateship temporarily. And this situation with Imryn is much more complicated and serious.

I suggest that whatever course of action we decide on be thoroughly thought out before hand. And whatever is decided, we must all support it fully as a group. Our first test as Primogen arrived quite early in our tenure, and it is a doozy."

Drumming his fingers across the table, Strom speaks out "This may not be the most popular opinion, but there is always the option of just letting the two nations go to war. So long as the battles stay within their own borders. Surely they will both deplete their forces, leaving them weaker. And if one does manage to conquer the other, they will have to dedicate troops to quell the resistance for years possibly."

Strom pushes his chair back and stands, then walks over to a brewing coffee pot sitting on a counter in the corner. He pours himself a cup and sits down again. "What? We don't all drink blood around here, ya know" he says, taking a sip.

(ooc: sorry for the delete, mis-post)

*sitting in his chair, leaning forward across the table*

"Sanctions and trade embargos hmm?" muses the Grand Tsar. He rubs his chin in thought. "Would this apply to both fueding nations, or only the Jade Empire? I know we are only discussing options for the time being, but I wonder if the Jade Empire's expansionism would be dampered by such a tactic. Maybe it might only encourage the Jade Emperor to sieze that which we refuse to give him? And with nearly a billion and a half people, most lone nations would be hard pressed to stand against him."

*Dirsko pauses, paying careful attention to the expressions of others in reaction to his words*

"Are we all in agreeance that it would appear the Jade Empire is the aggressor in this situation?"

"I, for one, think the expansionist views of the Jade Empire must be stopped or, at least, directed against other nations than those in our region. I agree with Dirsko than sanctions should be levied against the Jade Emperor more than the Giovanni."

Gets up and move towards the small table, takes a glass of bloodwyne and drink it in one shot.

"What? I didn't have a snack like you three before coming here."

sits down

"What are our options?
1. Armed Intervention
2. Economic sanctions
3. Quarantine of the area while they duke it out

any other? and what are your preferences?"

Gregor regards the Primogen of Health and responds, "My concern is that the war will spill beyond the borders of the two nations. Already we have seen your non-Kindred compatriot The SOI-bot offering to sell weapons to the Jade Emperor. How long before other nations do the same or if a war breaks out, send troops?

Not to mention the precedent that would be set if a war occurs. Until Imyrn, all territorial acquisitions were uncontested. It was acknowledged that whichever nation acted fast enough to send troops, that nation would be allowed to have the anarchic territory. If this turns to war, future acquisitions could also lead to war. And while the Jade Emperor and The Happy Uncle Auggie are mismatched in most areas, the next two combatants may not be. And that's assuming that the next time, it will be between only two.

Allow me to make an example. Let us say for argument's sake, that the nation of MeatisMurder should fall to anarchy. Now that the territory is up for grabs, Druthulhu, The SOI-bot, and Asmadonia all lay claim to it. And let's assume that none of us agree to back down. We're all fairly evenly matched. The SOI-bot would no doubt call upon you and Deoq and other non-Kindred to aide him. I would call on my allies within the region, as well as recall a small portion of our colonial armies. Druthulhu would no doubt call on his allies and whatever tricks he no doubt has up his sleeve. Before you know it, the entire region is at war.

But, back to the actual situation. Here's another question for you: What makes you think that the Jade Emperor will stop if he gets the part of Imyrn he says he wants? If we acquiesce to his demands, what will stop him from laying claim to all of Imyrn? And then, what if he decides to 'punish' The Happy Uncle Auggie for defying him? Where does it end?

No, I say we need to stop this now. For the security of the region now and into the future."

Replying to Folco Boffin, Strom states "I feel we should just let them duke it out if they can't resolve their problems diplomatically."

Strom then turns to Gregor, staring at him with his eyes slightly narrowed, "I see no particular reason to believe their conflict will spill over and engulf the whole region. In defense of the SOI-Bots actions, why shouldn't his nation try to make some money on the side? Do you expect me to believe that the kindred nations aren't trying to exploit this situation in some manner to make money or further their own agendas?" Strom makes a sarcastic sneer.

He continues, "Your hypothetical situation assumes allied nations will intervene with their own military forces. While this is a possibility, I feel it is an unlikely one. I don't believe any rational nation would throw itself into the conflict by sending troops when it could assist its ally much more subtely by providing arms, equipment, technology, loans, etc."

"As for your final question, I answer the Jade Emperor will stop when he has met his match. If he fears he will lose this conflict, he will back down. However, it is no garuantee he won't look somewhere else. Are YOU proposing the Jade Empire be punished if it continues its aggresive policy?" Strom leans back in his seat, finished with his tirade.

"My lupine friend," Gregor responds, practically spitting out the last word, "I'm not saying what that bende jihui zhuyi robot is doing is wrong. I'm saying that it shows that other nations are already involved.

As to your second point, you said you don't believe that any rational nation would commit itself to a war on behalf of its allies. I have found that rationality is often lacking in times of war. One may begin by simply sending equipment and money to one combatant or another, but that does not mean they can't be dragged into the conflict.

And lastly, I am not suggesting the Jade Emperor or his nation be punished. At least not at this point. The Empire of the August Personage has done nothing wrong, yet. I am saying that we need to stop this situation instead of letting the two nations 'duke it out' as you put it."

[ been away due to storm damage ]

*stands*

What is important is to firmly establish what precedents are to be used to handle the problem of collapsed governments. The precedent thus far is that whatever nation is first to come to the aid of a headless nation, with humanitarian aid and restoral of government services, may continue this process into the annexation of the former nation. This precedent was established by the Jade Emperor himself, and if we allow him to rewrite the rules now, based upon his own imaginary claim to all uranium fields that connect physically to his own, he will surely think that it is his right to assert whatever rules of his own making are to his advantage, in whatever matters. We must take whatever means are needed to establish the rule of law in such matters immediately and in a firm and decisive manner.

*sits*

"Agreed! Well said, Lord Protector."



[ooc: Hope everything is ok down there, Dru!]

*nods in a terse thin smile of thanks to Gregor, noting two for and one against... Folco and Dirsko still seem caught up in the question of how much commitment to make*

[ ooc: Thankxs :) I lost water for six days after Frances and power for 1 1/2 after Ivan... but I live on a hill. Those who live(d) by the river got really screwed. :( ]

[ooc: sorry, been away on account of painting to be done in the computer room, so not internet before this morning]

"alright gentlemen, here is what I propose we do:

- We establish the precedent of the first one to come to the aid of an ex-nation gets the spoils as law of the land. We also open the possibility of joint ventures. Meaning two or more countries bringing order to an ex-nation.

- We decree that joint venture can separate the newly acquired land however they see fit.

- We say that claims by other nations must be made diplomatically with the new leader of the land.

- We will take whatever steps deemed necessary to enforce this proclamation as a region.

What do you say? I'd like our first action as council to be unanimous."

Seconded.

"We support this proposal."

The Grand Tsar sits in silence, listening to the current debate. He nods his head at the proposal put forth by Folco.

"As Primogen of Commerce, I also agree."

Strom Eberhard makes a low growl and clenches his fist. He slams it down hard on the table, spilling over his own cup of coffee.

"All right!" he shouts. He seems to deeply exhale at this point. Strom sinks back into his chair and continues in a more normal tone of voice, "In the interest of showing a strong, united council on this matter...I will also support this proposal as put forth by Folco Boffin."

Strom grabs some napkins and wipes up his spill, pouring a fresh cup for himself in the process.

The God-King grins at Strom. "Good doggie."

"Well, 'Primogen' Strom, if you have objections, now's the time to say them."

Says Folco Boffin, wondering how to call the lupine so as to not anger him. I was thinking: Prince? Prime Minister? Hey, you?

"I'm open to suggestions."

"Well, 'Primogen' Strom, if you have objections, now's the time to say them."

Says Folco Boffin, wondering how to call the lupine so as to not anger him. I was thinking: Prince? Prime Minister? Hey, you?

"I'm open to suggestions."

*speaks softly*

I believe he has told us that we should call him Strom Eberhard.

*glances into Strom's eyes, calling on his own millenia of subterfuge and manipulation to show only him the hights of his own distaste for the insulting words and tones of the others*

Strom shows more physical restraint but still speaks with a clearly agitated tone to his voice, "Prime Minister, I have no objections to your proposal. Simply my own doubts as to how effective it will truly be. As I have stated, I feel it is important that the council present itself united on this issue rather than divided. Has anyone heard anymore news concerning the tensions between Auggie and the Jade Emperor?"

*Strom always tends to lean closer to Folco Boffin when addressing him, sensing his displeasure of garou*

If I may answer that? *pauses for assent,* then continues* There seems to have been a news blackout for the past few... extrenally-temporal days. In fact, a dearth of news from all nations, I suppose as they wait news from Imyrn.

*turns to Folco* So it is agreed, shall we now make it official for the record? After which we should discuss implementation.



*[ ooc: assumes he gets it ;) ]

"Gentlemen, we need to decide on this quickly. As some of you may know, the founding nation of our region has succumbed to the madness that has gripped so many of our neighbors in recent weeks. Of course, we in Asmadonia have exercised our rights, in accordance with precedent and tradition, to claim the territory. We have as of yet received no complaints or rival claims, but the news is still only minutes old. Within days, or so my sources tell me, we may have more nations fall, and if we do not resolve the Imyrn situation to set precedent, another situation of equal or greater concern could develop."

*showing no more displeasure about the lupine breathing down hi sneck*

"Then it's settled. We declare this buisness closed. We will make the announcment as soon as this meeting is over.

Any other business?"

*stands*

In the interest of making the announcement as soon as possible, we should perhaps adjourn until after it has been made, unless anyone wishes to discuss our potential needs in implementing this decision. For our own part, our forces are ready to act.

Before we continue or adjourn we would like to thank the Righteous and Holy Empire of Asmadonia for cooperating in our extridition of the war criminal Jahred and to announce that the Gonite heretic will be detained in an undisclosed place where his value as an intelligence source can be exploited.

*sits*

The Grand Tsar has been relatively quiet throughout the discussion, almost a distracted look on his face. Now and then, his head tilts almost as if listening to something no one else can hear.

"Fellow Primogens....I agree with Druthulhu's suggestion that we should make an announcement now and wait to adjourn until afterwards, if necessary. Even though there has been practically no recent news concerning the mine dispute between the Jade Emperor and Auggie, I fear this could only be the calm before the storm. May I suggest Druthulhu be the one to make the announcement, as this matter concerns regional defense. After the official announcement, we can continue the discussion and perhaps agree upon some fine points such as ways the council can act or intervene should it be necessary."

Dirsko looks around at those seated at the table, waiting for responses.

"Our pleasure, Lord Protector. We look forward to witnessing his execution, after a fair trial of course," Gregor smiles.

"As to the main matter, I agree. An announcement does need to be made as soon as possible. I'm all for adjourning this meeting to do so. We can commit some forces if need be to whatever action takes place. The pacification of our new territory is going rather smoothly, much more so than that of Burkos, but then we were better prepared this time around."

Folco Boffin comes in through the Temporis tunnel and go get a glass of bloodwyne while awaiting the other to join him.

*is already here*

(OOC: as a cyberfruit merchant, Dru, I was wondering how much do you charge for a case of apples and one of orange. :cool: )

(OOC: *groan* FB, that was bad. :) )

Enter the God-King.

"Lord Protector Druthulhu, I have just received word that your nation has begun bombing the Jade Emperor's troops in Imyrn. It would have been nice to have received advanced notice of this."

*pours himself more coffee and takes a seat at the table, unfurls a large map of the Imyrn region currently in dispute and lays it across the table for all to see"

Looking more serious than usual, Dirsko tries to settle more comfortably into his chair.

"Is it safe to assume the Prime Minister will preside over this meeting? If need be, I will make the motion that Folco preside so we can get right down to business."

*smiles amiably to Gregor*

Indeed? I thought that we had resolved to take whatever steps are needed to enforce Regional Law. Should we have scheduled a few more months of talks, like mortal world governments so often do?

Gentlemen, what is done is done. Now what shall we do next. Do we commit troops on the ground to help Druthulhu and the Giovanni, or do we simply bomb the positions and give logistical aid?

Another option is not to support Druthulhu's efforts and let him build a coalition of troops to repel the August Personnage's troops. I'm telling right now that I'll give my aid to such a coalition. It does, however tells the other nations that this council has nothing to do with the war, even if we all participate.

What shall be done?"

The God-King smiles back at Druthulhu. "I never said I wanted more talks. A telegram saying, 'Hey, I'm gonna bomb the Jade Emperor's forces in an hour' would have been appreciated though."

Gregor turns his attention back to Folco Boffin.

"The question is, do we want this to be a Primogen sanctioned response? The Jade Emperor's troops are in Imyrn in violation of our decree. If we don't want this council to appear weak, I say we must support Druthulhu and the Giovanni as the council."

"Gregor, my friend. I agree it would have been nice to know of Druthulhu's intent to bomb the Jade Emperor's positions beforehand...but he is our Primogen of Regional Defense and as such may have to take immediate actions. The luxury of time to consult the rest of us may not be an option in every situation. We will have to trust in his actions is all I wish to point out."

Dirsko looks over the map on the table, then looks up at Folco. "Its quite possible the Jade Emperor has the largest military in the entire region. It may take a coalition to defeat him if he chooses to use full force. Are we looking to force a surrender from the Jade Emperor, or merely build an allied army to buffer and provide security for the Giovanni?"

"Once again, I am being misunderstood. I will try to be more clear. I was not saying I wanted Druthulhu to consult with me or anyone else before acting. I agree, as Primogen of Regional Defense, he may very well have to take sudden and decisive action. All I was saying was, it would have been nice to have been informed in this instance, as a courtesy. There was plenty of time between the announcement of open hostility in the Imyrn region and Druthulhu's response. But that is all in the past, and there is no point in continuing to harp on it. So, back to the matter at hand, the response of the council.

I stand by my recommendation, that the entire council act as one in this. And that we act by supporting Druthulhu and the Giovanni. Combined, our military strength surpasses that of the Empire of The August Personage. We should be able to drive him out of Imyrn, which is what I believe our objective is. Drive him out, and keep him out. Though the latter part may require us to keep troops in that region indefinitely."

So we are agreed that we will intervene as a Primogen Council?

ln that case, to answer your question Dirsko, I believe our prime objective is to drive the Jade Emperor's troops out of Imyrn. I'm not advocating bombing the Emperor's own nation yet. This is not yet a full scale war, let's not make it one.

I want to make something absolutely clear: I couldn't care less about protecting the Giovanni. The Ventrue Clan and the Giovanni have been at odds throughout our history. If we attack, they will have to be there with us. This is not about protecting a nation over another, it's about enforcing our laws. When we make a ruling, we want to make it clear that it will be enforced. As such, I am perfectly confortable with only providing aircraft carriers and air strikes.

So I ask, what should be our strategy?

"Well, I think Druthulhu's current strategy is a good one. Bomb them. Keep it up for a while. After that, if they are still there. Then we send in ground troops. But, like the Prime Minister said, I don't think we should be bombing his nation yet. This is strictly in and about Imyrn."

"It would appear from my latest reports that events have escalated rather quickly in the Imyrn region," says Strom while musing over the map. "Unfortunately, my nations armed forces are quite busy occupying the former nations of Murlinistan and MeatIsMurder so we will be unable to offer any real military assistance for the current operations."

Strom grows serious as he looks to Druthulhu, "The reports also tell me of nuclear weapons deployed on the battlefield. Is this information correct? If so, as Primogen of Health, I must strongly disapprove such an action. I would think this conflict did not warrant the use of such things, and I encourage it be fought only with conventional weapons."

Gregor looks at Strom. "Yes, that is a nice coincidence. You just happen to have your armed forces otherwise occupied at this time, despite knowing that troops would most likely be needed to support this council's decision in this situation. I'm sure this has nothing to do with your recent alliance with the Jade Emperor in your attempt to unseat me from this council."

Gregor glares at the lupine.

"As for your suggestion to only use conventional weapons, you may wish to speak to your ally about that. It was the Jade Emperor who first authorized their use in this conflict."

"Well I, for one, will not stand idle while two of the most important nations in the region duke it out. You can expect my declaration of war against the Jade Emperor soon. In the meantime, if Druthulhu needs anything, I'll try to give it to you."

"It would appear the Heavenly Army of the Jade Emperor is threatening Druthulhu's borders. I am in full support of aerial strikes against the Jade Emperor in the Imyrn region, and my nation puts its focus towards air superiority. We can also drop supplies as they are needed and offer military equipment, for trade or on loan of course."

Dirsko looks around at the other Primogen as he poses a question to no one in particular, "What OF the Giovanni? Have we any word if they are defending themselves at all or is the Council doing their dirty work for them?"

*stands*

I did wait until the Jade Emporer's announcement of an Augustinian strike against their positions to come to the assistance of said strike, since under the terms of our ruling the possibility of a diplomatic solution of shared benefits and responsibilities was held open. Upon the initiation of aggressions, however, it was made clear that one or both sides were not open to discussing the issues.

We are pleased to announce that our satilite and ground-based missile defences have resulted two-digit casualties as a result of the Heavenly Army's recent strikes within our nation's core, and that while the lack of sufficient ground-based installations in the Nomadc Federated States as of yet has resulted in a lower ratio of intercepted missiles, the mobile nature of the society there has kept casualties similarly low.

Our triggering of tactical nuclear implacements of the Druthulhu-Imyrn border has resulted in catastrophic losses among the first wave of the Heavenly Army's armoured units, however this line of defence has been expended and further advances of non-biologically controlled units, as well as radiation shielded biological units and remotely controlled non-biological units, seem imminent.

*points to Strom's map*

Currently, without engaging other states in military action, the Heavenly Army is limited to sending those units through this corridor created by their occupation of southwestern Imyrn, and into the northeast of what was previously Imbued territory, attacking there or moving further into central Druthulhu.

Our airforce has been bombing their reenforcements as they advance, but while the Heavenly Army's anti-aircraft installations in their recently held territory have been geared towards defending on the augustinian front, and have yet to meet the standards of the Heavenly Army's military as a whole, their aim has been improving and their rebuilding and improvement has kept pace with our attacks. To divide our air power between their hard positions and their advancing units is something we would certainly appreciate assistance in.

*sits*

We have a contingent of fighters on aircraft-carrier in the sea south of Imyrn who are capable of doing the airstrikes on the Imyrn front. The problem is that we don't have that many bombs. If we continue at the rate the bombing has been going, we will be missing bombs in 6 months.

If we take up those responsibilities, it will leaves more fighters for Dru to attack the northern front in his own territory. Also, we are close to negociate a treaty that would free the military that is amassed on our collective border to be redeployed on the front. So that gives you, Dru more troops.

If Dementate would provide the bombs, My troops cand do the air-raid on the Imyrn front, Dru on the Northern front. Meanwhile, Strom can provide relief with food and other supplies and Asmadonia can lend his armies to patrol the other Jade frontiers.

Also, if Dementate would be so kind as to detail his space program, maybe we can find something to destroy their orbital capabilities. I have a surface to space missile program but it is only to intercept incoming attacks. It does not have enough range to target orbital stations.

Maybe we should ask what the non-kindred position is at this point before commiting our military.

"We are now mobilizing our military to take part in this conflict. We have three carriers groups on their way to rendez-vous with East Canuck's navy in the sea south of Imyrn. We are also in negotiations with the Giovanni in The Happy Uncle Auggie to use their airbases for moving ground troops into the area."

Dirsko quietly mumbles to himself while Folco and Gregor speak. His face brightens suddenly and he stands, "Ah! Yes! Dementate will be able to supply the bombs that East Canuck will need to carry on its aerial bombardment. From the basic, cluster, smart on up to the MOAB variety, though we lack the latter in large abundance. With Dementate's air force not delegated with bombing duty, that will free our aircraft to provide air supply drops where needed. If the Western Concordiat provides the goods, we will fly them quickly to where they are needed most. In fact, our attack helicopters can join the battle at either front. They do not require the same bombs we will be providing East Canuck so their effectiveness will not be lessened. Possibly Druthulhu could lend an airbase to station them and they could assist in taking out armor trying to cross his border."

The enthusiasm fades in Dirsko's voice when he turns to the Prime Minister and addresses him directly, "Unfortunately, Dementate has committed few of her resources towards space programs. We are not very advanced in that field and can offer no help with those satellites." Dirsko sits, beginning his mumbling again.

Strom casts a weary glance towards Gregor as he speaks and proceeds to sip his coffee. Putting his cup down, he says, "Quite the conspiracy theorist, aren't you? I've always thought the image of a paranoid vampire elder as so cliche." Strom leans back in his chair and smiles.

"Prime Minister, your idea is an excellent one and my nation will be more than happy to provide the provisions you, or any other member of this council, needs. We lack a significant air force, so if we deliver our supplies to the Grand Tsar he can airlift them to wherever they are needed most."

The God-King turns back to the lupine, "You bei xin qi yi de shuohuang lanlude gou! It's not paranoia when it's true. You will regret the day you crossed me."

Dirsko Anisimov makes a coughing noise in an attempt to draw attention to himself. "I have received word from my officers that supplies from the Western Concordiat have begun to arrive at our airfields. They are currently being loaded into transport aircraft that will deliver them to areas in need. Prime Minister, the munitions you have requested are already in transit with more to follow. Dementate's fleet of military helicopters are also ready to be sent to the front if required."

The Grand Tsar then stands and quickly turns towards the portal, part of his suit soaked by a red stain in the region of his side. "Excuse me gentlemen, I will return shortly." He says and hops through the temporis portal...

"How unusual and ironic, but we have a new UN Regional Delegate and Primogen of Foreign Affairs. Apparently, the region thought a change was in order. As such, my dear God-King, you no longer hold any position of worth to merit your presence at this meeting."

Strom Eberhard makes a dismissive gesture with his hand. "You may go, I will notify Deoq his presence at this meeting is required by right of his new position."

With a smile, Strom goes back to studying the map and drinking his coffee.

I'm afraid it's not that simple Strom. You see, as representative of non-kindred, Deoq is bared from the primogenship. As such, according to our bylaws, the God-King retains his seat until such time as either Deoq forfeits his title as representative. In the meantime, the God-King is welcome to remains seated on this council.

*Prime Minister FolcoBoffin then returns to his notes on the war effort*

"Well," the God-King begins, "I shall make this easy on you. Our nation has been deposed as Delegate by the non-Kindred coup. Paranoid, I believe I was called. As we are now just a common citizen of the region, I shall leave this council. And since we are no longer a part of this council, our military is no longer at your disposal. We have already recalled our forces in the Imyrn region. Prime Minister, I have enjoyed serving with you. You as well, Grand Tsar. Lord Protector, I wish you luck in your duties. Fido, your hide will be the carpeting in my throne room."

The God-King rises from his seat and exits through the Temporis portal.

"Oooh, touchy." Says Deoq, appearing in the God-King's seat while they're watching him leave and smirking. "So, what's up?"

*smiles wryly at Deoq's question*

Well, apparently this region is now without a non-kindred representative...

*glances at the seat that was left for Deoq in his former position at the table*

...as it seems our recent one has presently stepped down.

As Dru glances at the seat that was formerly for the non-Kindred representative, he notices that Deoq is sitting there, too. Yes, there are two Deoqs. :D
Both Deoqs grin widely, and speak simultaneously.
"That's being taken care of, this should do in the mean time."

*frowns darkly*

I am afraid that it is illegal for one person or state to hold two seats at the primogen table at the same time, sirrah.

Deoq frowns, then rolls his eyes.
"Fine, fine." He clicks his fingers, and the copy of him in the representative seat vanishes. "I'm working on that anyway, so we'll have to do without for the time being. Anything else of interest?"

"Yes as a matter of fact there is something else. I put a motion forward to elect a new Sherriff since the old one has grown weary of his duties. Is it seconded? And any notion on how we should do it? "

Seconded... and I propose that it be done as it was previously, albeit perhaps with greater haste, as a vote of general Elysium attendees.

"Hmm... I agree. People can do whatever the hell they want in Elysium now there's no Sherriff to enforce the rules. Hmm... there's a thought..." :p

"As Deoq has passed his Representative of Non-Kindred Affairs title to the SOI-Bot, I welcome him to his rightful place in the Primogen Council." Strom smiles and gives a polite nod towards the Changeling.

*stands to address the fellow Primogen*

"For the upcoming election for the position of Sheriff, I must recommend the Mercenary King. After all, he was runner up in our first election for Sheriff and he has been responsible for providing the shirt ninja for our use. As for the specifics of how the election will be conducted, I defer to the Prime Minister to make that decision."

*sits*

"Hmm... I agree. People can do whatever the hell they want in Elysium now there's no Sherriff to enforce the rules. Hmm... there's a thought..." :p

*leans in close to whisper to Deoq*

"I believe Folco Boffin, as the keeper of Elysium, would disagree with you. It would be prudent to keep such thoughts as those to yourself. Simply a small bit of advice from my experiences dealing with the kindred."

*gives Deoq a friendly pat on the shoulder, sits back in his chair and resumes sipping at his coffee*

Deoq whispers back to Strom,
"I was only kidding..."
Then speaks aloud,
"I also reccomend the Mercenary King, his shirt ninjas are a valuable asset to our Elysium Security."

"And yet, the shirt ninja didn't stop the assassination of Messenger Bailey.
Also, I'd like to signify Primogen Deoq that the security detail for the Elysium have been provided for by the Keeper (ie. me) and the sherriff was merely in charge of enforcing it. I would advise against doing anything foolish, even if only kidding.

As to the election, I'll conduct it next week as I have found that the weekend is not a good time for nominations. It will be thestandard nomination/finalist process we used for the previous elections. During the nominations you can make public statements endorsing Lesser Evil if you want. However, I remind you that public statements are only considered publicity and only proper nominations will be tallied, as previous elections.

Moving on, if there's no objections, to the Porovian situation. Should we do something? I consider this a civil insurgency and none of the council concern. Your opinion?"

*stands up and pours himself a drink*

One should note, for the sake of the Mercenary King, that Messenger Bailey had left the protection of Elysium when the attack occured, and that the East Canuck security forces, whose responsibilities extend beyond these walls, failed to stop the assassination as well.

*sips from his wyne and stands*

We should, I believe, take steps to confront terrorism wherever it arises, even if intranationally within one nation. The terrorists are not concerned with borders, and we should not allow our borders and our civilized natures to allow them any safe haven. I have proposed that our military coallition come to Porovia's aid, however, in deference to the Tradition of Domain, I would at this time feel that it warrents a less-than-fully-binding resolution, one that would allow each coallition state to determine its own level of direct participation. This resolution could outlaw trade in commerce or intelligence with the Porovian insurgency, or it could do so merely with rebel groups that act in cooperation with terrorist groups, encouraging the Porovian rebels to engage with the honour of conventional warfare. The resolution could also put in place economic and intel-related incentives for nations to deal in commerce and intelligence liberally with the Porovian government.

Alternately, we could take no sides in the Porovian conflict, beyond taking measures to combat terrorism. It could be said that Porovia's own unfortunate spiral into both tyranny and economic ruin has brought this sorry state upon them. However we cannot afford to allow Porovia to become transformed into a... state-haven for terrorism. More important than a resolution on Porovia, which is far less important, with all apologies to the Porovians, would be a resolution on combating terrorism wherever it may emerge... or remain hidden.

I suggest that we, the Primogen Council, have a mandate by dint of our having accepted our posts to govern this region for the benefit of all its inhabitents, or for those of the Olde Schoole, of its supernatural stewards, our piers in national leadership. I propose that the Primogen of Information direct the formation an international agency to combat international crime, an VF-INTERPOL, in conjunction with the Primogens of Commerce, Defence and Health. The primary responsibility of this agency would be to root out and combat terrorist networks.

I further propose that any member states of our current coallition state here and now if and at what levels they are willing to actively commit to the anti-terrorism effort.

Finally I would like to express gratitude for the coallition effort and announce that the War of the August Ones has turned in our favour, and that the Heavenly Army has been almost totally pushed back into their originally disputed holdings, where we continue to assault their military infrastructure.

*sits*

The Grand Tsar suddenly appears from out of nowhere (at least for those lacking a moderate degree of Auspex or similar skill) and steps forward.

"Your update of the ongoing battle with the Heavenly Army is, I'm sure, pleasing news to us all. It is good the Jade Emperors forces are currently being held to their own lands, though I wish your own lands and the Giovanni do not continue to pay such a steep cost."

Dirsko sits back down in his chair at the table, taking a second to adjust his fresh change of clothes. "You make a good point that the Primogen Council should look beyond the problems being experienced by Porovia and confront terrorism throughout the region. What good would it ultimately do if we pour our efforts into aiding only Porovia while some other menace may be growing elsewhere? We must be attentive across the realm."

"As Primogen of Commerce, I can encourage trade friendly agreements amoungst nations that aid our cause while directing sanctions and, if necessary, blockades against nations that directly support terrorist organizations. I can also work in coordination with the Primogen of Regional Defense *nods towards Druthulhu* and the Primogen of Information *nods towards Folco* to disrupt the flow of supplies to terrorists. If need be, Dementate can offer some of its special forces to aid other nations at their request. Our military has recently been the victim of budget cuts as Dementate is more focused on a smaller, well equipped and intelligent military force as compared to a larger one. But on the upside, my nation has made significant strides in space and satellite research and may be able to assist in that field now."

His Most Dread Excellency The SOI-bot enters the council chamber through the Temporis portal. He claims a seat at the table.

"Gentlemen, I am here to exercise my right to an observational place at this council as Representative of non-Kindred Affairs. Would anyone care to get me up to speed on what you have been doing, or not doing, as the case may be?"

"Certainly Mr. BOT. As you can see on the map here on the table, we are containing the Jade Emperor to his country. We are currently in a cease-fire where neither side wants to commit on a frontal assault. We are happy of the situation as the attack have costed quite a lot of money and men to this day.

Other situations are not reviewed currently apart from the motion to fight terrorism in the whole region with economical, social and military actions. This is where we are at the moment.

We were waiting for the nomination process to end before continuing with this matter. As representative of the Non-Kindred, you might have some ideas on our terrorist fighting programs. If so, we'd might as well hear them now."

Folco Boffin crosses his arms and waits patiently for the conversation to begin anew.

The SOI-bot scans the map for a moment before smiling at the Prime Minister.

"Well, that war with the Jade Emperor should be a moot point now. The Incorporated States of The Happy Uncle Auggie has fallen into anarchy. We have stepped in for the good of the populace, and now lay claim to the territory. Once all of the members of the Giovanni family have been detained, that area should stabilize quickly.

And since this is no longer a war zone, we would appreciate it if you would withdraw your troops immediately."

"I would be glad to remove them if and when the Voivoide tells me to. The Primogen troops are under his command after all. "

Granted. You are on your own, SOI-bot.

"Well, there is another issue at hand. The Hierophant has issued a request that he be made Primogen of Religion and Spirituality. In my opinion, he should be brought forth and questioned as to his motives, and his reasons as to why it should be him in this position. First thing we should decide though, is whether we need a new Primogen at all."

"While I hold the Hierophant in what could be approximated as esteem, I don't think that we need another Primogen. Especially as it would mean that we would have an even number of Primogens and could deadlock some issues.

So, if we want to include a Primogen of spirituality, we have to either 1) remove one of the primogen in place or 2) created yet another Primogen seat to bring the total number to 7.

While 1) can be acceptable, I see 2) as too many voices which will slow the talks and decision process down and will leave us with even less power that we currently hold. Neither of those outcome is desirable for me.

Now, If we remove one of the current Primogenship to open the seat for a new primogen, it can be deemed acceptable. However, think of the precedent it would cause. After that, every primogen would feel threathened because one vote from the other could remove him from office. There is clauses in our constitution to remove one member of the council and I suggest we follow these steps. We can't very well change the rules as we go along.

Therefore, I will refuse the proposition of the Hierophant and suggest to him that he start a petition to remove one primogen from office. That or be elected delegate to the UN."

*stands*

I have stated elsewhere my opposition to the proposed new Primogen position. However, should I be outvoted I would also oppose the creation of new Primogen seats for the purpose of keeping an odd number of seats; not for the reason of too many voices, although a proper proportion of Primogen positions to the number of nations as a whole in our region should be considered, but for the reason that such new seats would be arbitrary and unneeded, as is the currently opposed seat. Rather, I would suggest that in the event of an even number of votes, which I initially opposed, one of the "extra" seats, the Representative for Non-Kindred Affairs, the Sheriff, or the Primogen of Regional Affairs, be granted or removed of voting rights. Alternately, as was initially proposed by our esteemed Keeper of Elysium, we could have an even number of votes and retain the status quo in the event of a tie.

*sits*

"While I have no official voice on the council, I would like to state my opinion for the record. It is my opinion, as Minister of non-Kindred Affairs, that another Primogen position is not needed. And certainly not one for Religion and Spirituality, which we in the Robotic Utopia believe to be a matter for each individual nation to decide upon, not something to be imposed by the region's so-called government."

*nods quietly*

"I concur."

The SOI-bot dusts off his seat, it having acquired quite a layer since he was last in this hall. Once finished, His Most Dread Excellency sits.

"Gentlemen, it seems our Sheriff has ceased to exist. And with the recent influx of new nations, we might want to consider electing a replacement."

At the sound of the SOI-bots voice, Strom awakens with a start. He lifts his head off the table and rubs at his eyes, then yawns.

"Huh? A new sheriff? Anyone know where the current one has gone? If he can not be located then I am not opposed for holding a new election."