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~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

I have read the transcripts from the current 'peace negotiations' regarding the nation of Feminany, and I must say that I am not surprised at what has transpired. Reagrdless of the obvious gestures of peace on behalf of Feminany, there as still those that seek the way of the gun.

Automagfreek however is decisive and firm, and we have already declared our intentions to back Feminany if any unjust aggression comes their way. I am here today to emphasize my statement and urge those who would seek to do harm to Feminany to back down quickly and quietly.

In other words, Feminany is off limits. Do not even think about attacking them.

As always my demands are final and non-negotiable. If there are those who think these terms are unfair, they may lodge their complaints with one of my subordinates.That is all.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

The Republic of Sharina will come to Feminany's aid in times of crisis, or if it is invaded.

Feminany has the right to exist, as any other nation has the right to exist. Taking advantage or opressing new nations is not tolerated by the people of Sharina.

AMF, shall my troops be allowed to fight alongside yours? They can protect your flanks and such, since we are Defensive War specialists.

Live well,
President Rand Veristek

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

I have read the transcripts from the current 'peace negotiations' regarding the nation of Feminany, and I must say that I am not surprised at what has transpired. Reagrdless of the obvious gestures of peace on behalf of Feminany, there as still those that seek the way of the gun.

Automagfreek however is decisive and firm, and we have already declared our intentions to back Feminany if any unjust aggression comes their way. I am here today to emphasize my statement and urge those who would seek to do harm to Feminany to back down quickly and quietly.

In other words, Feminany is off limits. Do not even think about attacking them.

As always my demands are final and non-negotiable. If there are those who think these terms are unfair, they may lodge their complaints with one of my subordinates.That is all.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

From the Kaiser's desk:

Where in God's name do you get off telling US what to do? How is Feminany any of YOUR concern? Really, I ask you. It's a small, insignificant feminazi nation. Trust me, it's better if we crush it now.

-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri
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From the Kaiser's desk:

Where the fuck do you get off telling US what to do? How is Feminany any of your concern, really, I ask you. It's a small, insignificant feminazi nation. Trust me, it's better if we crush it now.

-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri
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By all means, try.....

Emperor Rift, reporting from inside the DAF base in Feminany.

From the Kaiser's desk:

Where the fuck do you get off telling US what to do? How is Feminany any of your concern, really, I ask you. It's a small, insignificant feminazi nation. Trust me, it's better if we crush it now.

-Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri
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Watch your tone, you insolent little worm! I have exterminated entire populaces for lesser insults. But no matter, your words are like the buzzing of flies to me.

The warning has already been given: you attack Feminany, I erase you from existance. It's really quite that simple. I would not bat an eyelash at the notion of slaughtering your entire nation and placing your head on a pike in my front lawn.

And how is it my business? I'm making it my business, so let's see what you plan on doing about it, eh? Come now, let's see what you're going to do about it.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

OOC:

AMF, any response to my offer a few posts above?

Watch your tone, you insolent little worm! I have exterminated entire populaces for lesser insults. But no matter, your words are like the buzzing of flies to me.

The warning has already been given: you attack Feminany, I erase you from existance. It's really quite that simple. I would not bat an eyelash at the notion of slaughtering your entire nation and placing your head on a pike in my front lawn.

And how is it my business? I'm making it my business, so let's see what you plan on doing about it, eh? Come now, let's see what you're going to do about it.

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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

You've still not given me a reason. Tell me, why is Feminany so important to you?

-Kaiser Alec
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OOC: Um, AMF, perhaps a tad too defensive to Sevaris? Just my thought.

IC: "Well, nice to see someone gives a shit about them" - PM's comment.

[OOC: Uh, Sevaris, I wouldn't antagonize AMF if I were you.]

[OOC: Uh, Sevaris, I wouldn't antagonize AMF if I were you.]

OOC: I'm not terribly scared of him- I doubt he'd nuke me for mere criticisms. No sane nation does that.

OOC: I'm not terribly scared of him- I doubt he'd nuke me for mere criticisms. No sane nation does that.

OoC: Who says he's sane?

OOC: Um, AMF, perhaps a tad too defensive to Sevaris? Just my thought.
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OOC: Absolutly not. I was actually being nice.

Sharnia: I can handle this one, but thanks.

IC:

Lets just say we have vested interests in Feminany. We offered our hand, they accepted. I really do not need to explain myself to you or anyone else.

Don't like it? Then go mope in the corner like the next guy.



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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

OoC: Who says he's sane?

OOC: I assumed he was. Anyway. I'm still critizing. AMF, I'd really like to know why.

Point.I mean I do, but then again, I'm hardly a paragon of sanity. WHEE!

OOC: Absolutly not. I was actually being nice.

Sharnia: I can handle this one, but thanks.

IC:

Lets just say we have vested interests in Feminany. We offered our hand, they accepted. I really do not need to explain myself to you or anyone else.

Don't like it? Then go mope in the corner like the next guy.



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---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-

Fair enough. I still don't see the wisdom in that. Protecting genocidal mainacs is not really something that I care for, but, meh, your call.

OoC: Who says he's sane?

OOC: Yes, who says I'm sane? (ICly that is). Damien's the kind of guy that would murder your family if you sniffled as he walked by.

OOC: I'm not terribly scared of him- I doubt he'd nuke me for mere criticisms. No sane nation does that. [OOC: And who says he'd nuke you for it? He doesn't need to nuke you to make you a distant memory!

No sane country antagonizes AMF unless it's a superpower. You are not. If you thought Kahta was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet.]

[OOC: And who says he'd nuke you for it? He doesn't need to nuke you to make you a distant memory!

No sane country antagonizes AMF unless it's a superpower. You are not. If you thought Kahta was bad, you ain't seen nothin' yet.]

OOC: I'm still objecting to it. I really think Feminany must be disposed of. All AMF is doing is paving the way for the rise of yet another genocidal maniac.

OOC: Yes, who says I'm sane? (ICly that is). Damien's the kind of guy that would murder your family if you sniffled as he walked by.

OoC: I'd pay good money to see him and Rift duel....*drools* then again, it would lay waste to a large area and one of them might get killed accidentely...

Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri,

May I remind you, not all those present at the conference are MT... I, if not any others are FT. Concessions have been satisfactorily made, and treatise handled so that males may have citizen status of another nation. So there is no bloodshed involved here, unless you plan on initiating it. Also, that large light burst was the TRSS Orion, launching a "warning shot" into the ocean, a Matter-Antimatter intiated ZPE warhead, 92exaton zero-point, 50 gigaton equivalent explosive... War with Feminany will not be tolerated. We have no desire to 'fight' technological barbarians as yourself... So we would preffer things remained civil.... If you have 'further' problems, then address them to me, and I will present them in the conference...

- Henry J. Schutz, CDR(ret)(TSN), Appointed U.N. Ambassadore of Tekania

All very well tryin to stop the rise of a genocidal maniac mate, but you already do quite a lot of working with an existing and far more dangerous one in the form of DA, which undermines your agrument somewhat.

OOC:

Dumpsterdam, I'm curious what Rift looks like. Does he resemble a Protoss Templar from Starcraft?

"My Lord" the Communications officer said, "Automagfreek has declared Feminany to be under his protection"
"What? Show me that message"
The C in C of the military reads the transmission and says "Send a message to Strike Command to mobilise the 3rd and 5th Strike Forces in case of war."
The Commander relays the transmission to the CEO, who quickly calls a Board Meeting.
"So, what are we to do?" The CEO asks. "Remember that Automagfreek is on the NATO board deciding on entrants"
"We must stand by our potential allies, they may repay us in the future" The Foriegn Minister advises
The Board decide that this is the best course of action and break up their meeting, each returning to his office.
In a few minutes time two helicoptor strike forces began to ready their men and helicoptors and proceed to the UVV Conglomerate's nearest lands to Feminany. The Generals wondered what was happening that required such a heavy prescence of soldiers in the area, they had been told to await further instructions.
The CEO prepared a message to the Supreme Warlord of Automagfreek, and then placed it into his 'OUT' tray. Soon a clerk hurried in and took it to the communications department, whe encoded it and transmitted it to Automagfreek. The message is as follows

---Begin Transmission---

From: Pieter UVV, CEO
To: Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of AMF
Subject: Protection of Feminany
Thought for the Day: Never forget, never give credit

I wish to inform you that our goverment has decided to stand by you in your decision to protect Feminany. We are sending military forces into the area to help crush any invasion

---End Transmission---

OOC: I'm still objecting to it. I really think Feminany must be disposed of. All AMF is doing is paving the way for the rise of yet another genocidal maniac. [OOC: There are ways of objecting without picking a fight. You have much to learn about diplomacy.]

[OOC: There are ways of objecting without picking a fight. You have much to learn about diplomacy.]


OOC: Here here. Contrary to popular belief I use diplomacy all the time. Granted it's more or less 'gunboat diplomacy', but it's diplomacy nontheless.

As I have said before, any nation that attacks Feminany without good reason will have serious gopher trouble. The Destroyer certainly needs no help from me, but I've made my decision and I intend to stick with it.
-Zeek, High Lord of the Tunnels, Supreme Leader of the Demonic Gopher Army

Automagfreek however is decisive and firm, and we have already declared our intentions to back Feminany if any unjust aggression comes their way. I am here today to emphasize my statement and urge those who would seek to do harm to Feminany to back down quickly and quietly.



IC:

"And if she does something to harm my brother, a man who had diplomatic immunity? What then?" Paul Stahlecker

"Thomas Stahlecker wasn't planning on assassinating anybody, he just is paranoid, like all DA citizens. Besides, if it was an assassination plot, we'd never send Stahlecker, they're not expendable! We'd probably have sent an Egyptian Arab, you know it's sad but true, that's how we operate." Paul Stahlecker

Ooc: You know it's true, that is how we'd do it.

Tekania as well is present, in the form of the TRSS Orion in geosyncronous orbit... MT, petty, posturing nations, aggression will not be tolerated.

The Destroyer wishes to make it clear that while assistance is apprecaited, AMF can more than handle itself if combat were to break out. In fact, we are confident that we could fend off many attacks by several nations all at the same time.

However, the increase in political pressure will indeed help bring this situation to an end.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-


OOC: UNIverseVERSE, I ignore future tech stuff like that.

IC:

"And if she does something to harm my brother, a man who had diplomatic immunity? What then?" Paul Stahlecker

"Thomas Stahlecker wasn't planning on assassinating anybody, he just is paranoid, like all DA citizens. Besides, if it was an assassination plot, we'd never send Stahlecker, they're not expendable! We'd probably have sent an Egyptian Arab, you know it's sad but true, that's how we operate." Paul Stahlecker

Ooc: You know it's true, that is how we'd do it.


I can assure you nothing will happen to the man. I'd personally pay to see Puritania inflicted upon him, but he will be returned to you once this ordeal is done.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

"ITD is currently in compliance with all regulations regarding the current Feminany conference. We have had our delegates surrender their weapons, while retaining their body armor. We have also informed our guards in the nation, who are protecting our transportation, to comply with Feminany officials. We also appologize for the prior attempt to kidnap the queen, which ended in complete failure. Expect no hostile action from us, for there will be none." Christopher Irons, UN Delegate

Have fun with that.

The Commissariat of Foreign Affairs
The Socialist Federation of Hallad

Mr. Stahlecker,

I am trying to secure the safe release of your delegate, and his return to you, in the conference. Please do not do anything to further jeopardize the situation.

OOC: AMF, I'm not Future Tech, sorry if it came across that way

I can assure you nothing will happen to the man. I'd personally pay to see Puritania inflicted upon him, but he will be returned to you once this ordeal is done.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-



"We thank you for your generosity and understanding. It has also been brought to my attention that a combat diver, unarmed though, was sent into Feminany to ascertain if Thomas Stahlecker was alive and what his status was. This is not just any other operative, his name is Jean Marie Navarre, the eldest son of a very important field marshal. He is unarmed except for his diving knife, and if you we can raise him on his radio, we will tell him to turn himself into the nearst Feminany police unit and await deportation back to Mississippi."

Paul Stahlecker

OOC: AMF, I'm not Future Tech, sorry if it came across that way


OOC: Erm...no, I didn't mean you I meant Tekania.

Sorry, I'm at work right now and I'm checking this thread quickly inbetween the plans I'm running. My apologies.

OOC: Erm...no, I didn't mean you I meant Tekania.

Sorry, I'm at work right now and I'm checking this thread quickly inbetween the plans I'm running. My apologies.

OOC: ah well then, apologies for the confusion

OOC: Erm...no, I didn't mean you I meant Tekania.

Sorry, I'm at work right now and I'm checking this thread quickly inbetween the plans I'm running. My apologies.

No problem there, we don't want to get involved.... to that extent... we may fire some shots as warnings.... but indeed, if it comes to direct conflict, we're pulling out of the system, and letting you duke it out... At the most, if it came to invasion, we may land some marines... To say the least, usage of the more advanced aspects of our weapons, would be highly... unethical

Press release from the holy empire of crackpie: In a recent press conference,the emperor of crackpie declared to the press

" I am apalled that any nation would choose to back feminany in such a horrible violation of human rights. we have made our intentios clear, and will not back down,especially under threat of force from third parties. I will restate for the press. If feminany doesnt comply with the requirements stated in the femiany peace conference, we will execute a biochemical strike on civillian targets. If any offensidve action is taken by any other nations, they will suffer the same fate, as Crackpie has the ability to launch said strike unto almost any part of the world."

ooooooo *Shudders, then laughs at automagfreeks gesture. Goes off in search of RF*

Press release from the holy empire of crackpie: In a recent press conference,the emperor of crackpie declared to the press

" I am apalled that any nation would choose to back feminany in such a horrible violation of human rights. we have made our intentios clear, and will not back down,especially under threat of force from third parties. I will restate for the press. If feminany doesnt comply with the requirements stated in the femiany peace conference, we will execute a biochemical strike on civillian targets. If any offensidve action is taken by any other nations, they will suffer the same fate, as Crackpie has the ability to launch said strike unto almost any part of the world."

OOC: This could get interesting

IC: (TV Broadcast) The CEO appears on screen, standing at a podium "The UVV Conglomerate ask, no, (thumping the podium for effect) DEMAND, that Crackpie back down, for the threat of destruction of civilian targets makes us even more commited to our cause. You have been warned. However we ourselves will NEVER back down" he says, thumbing the podium so hard he breaks it.

OOC: One helicopter strike force includes 1 million attack helicoptors, 1 million transport helicoptors, and 12 million soldiers. You can consider yourselves warned.

The Republic supports this move by Automagfreek to defend Feminany's sovereignity. Should any nations commit aggressive action and bring about the wrath of Automagfreek on themselves, the Republic would be honored to help in the resulting smackdown.

Also, if Crackpie uses biochemical weaponry. We will immediately wipe them off the map...

Prime Minister Fyodor Leningrad Zyteslav

Press release from the holy empire of crackpie: In a recent press conference,the emperor of crackpie declared to the press

" I am apalled that any nation would choose to back feminany in such a horrible violation of human rights. we have made our intentios clear, and will not back down,especially under threat of force from third parties. I will restate for the press. If feminany doesnt comply with the requirements stated in the femiany peace conference, we will execute a biochemical strike on civillian targets. If any offensidve action is taken by any other nations, they will suffer the same fate, as Crackpie has the ability to launch said strike unto almost any part of the world."

You are almost appropriately named.... if only "pie" were replaced with "pot". In any case, let me get this right..... First, you raise the 'human rights violation' objection.... you are of course aware that agreement has been made for the expatriation of males, who do not wish to undergo the 'procedure' to another nation. So, there are no 'execusions' or human rights violation here, as an element, which they consider as undesirable, is being 'removed' in a peaceful and orderly manner. In addition, it has been decided that those under 18, will be allowed to develope normally, as males, till their 18th birthday, where they may decide their own fate from that point, of either operation, or expatriation. So that point is moot, at this stage.

Second, the "peace conference" has no power or authority, as it was not authorized by Femaniny. You cannot form an ad-hoc, unauthorized conference, to then demand the conformity of another nation... especially when the conference itself lacks any or all representation by Feminany, her allies, or neutral parties.

Last of all, your first claim is based on the unbased idea of the result of this law being a 'human rights' violation... and then threaten the unleashing of biological and chemical weapons on the civilian population of Feminany and her allies? That, in and of itself is a hypocritical statement... you would be needlessly killing men and women in Feminany, a human rights violation in and of itself. The TRSS Orion is more than capable of glassing your entire nation.... however, it would be a foundational violation of our principles to do so.... we want peace, and equity in this... and if we are quite capable of refraining from arbitrarily glassing your entire nation, you can exercize your capability NOT to use WMD's on the general civilian populace.

To restate... the law in no way kills anyone.... males over 18 are 'illegal' and must either undergo operative procedures, or repatriate to another nation (to which agreement of that nation, and guranteed citizen status has already been accomplished). Those under 18 are allowed to mature to the proper age, where they can then make this decision, either repatriation of operation, on their own. If you have any 'actual' objections, please present them to me, and I would be glad to play 'devils advocate' on your part at the official conference...

Though Psov is currently weighed down by a domestic crisis, we support our friend AMF in any action it may take regarding this matter and belive it to be noble and honorable to defend this comparatively small nation from unjust aggression.

OOC: AMF i do hope that Feminany doesnt do a FWS

IC:

Japanese States officaly supports the actions of AMF, its time someone stop the warmongers from destroying another nation for reasons that dont concern them or are not illigal.

Kaiser Alec Mannerheim-Alessandri,

May I remind you, not all those present at the conference are MT... I, if not any others are FT. Concessions have been satisfactorily made, and treatise handled so that males may have citizen status of another nation. So there is no bloodshed involved here, unless you plan on initiating it. Also, that large light burst was the TRSS Orion, launching a "warning shot" into the ocean, a Matter-Antimatter intiated ZPE warhead, 92exaton zero-point, 50 gigaton equivalent explosive... War with Feminany will not be tolerated. We have no desire to 'fight' technological barbarians as yourself... So we would preffer things remained civil.... If you have 'further' problems, then address them to me, and I will present them in the conference...

- Henry J. Schutz, CDR(ret)(TSN), Appointed U.N. Ambassadore of Tekania

Eh? What the hell is this?

Eh? What the hell is this?

OOC: Looks like Future Tech to me

OOC: Looks like Future Tech to me

OOC: Ah- then It's ignored. I ignore future tech.

OOC: Ah- then It's ignored. I ignore future tech.
OOC: Me to

You are almost appropriately named.... if only "pie" were replaced with "pot". In any case, let me get this right..... First, you raise the 'human rights violation' objection.... you are of course aware that agreement has been made for the expatriation of males, who do not wish to undergo the 'procedure' to another nation. So, there are no 'execusions' or human rights violation here, as an element, which they consider as undesirable, is being 'removed' in a peaceful and orderly manner. In addition, it has been decided that those under 18, will be allowed to develope normally, as males, till their 18th birthday, where they may decide their own fate from that point, of either operation, or expatriation. So that point is moot, at this stage.

Second, the "peace conference" has no power or authority, as it was not authorized by Femaniny. You cannot form an ad-hoc, unauthorized conference, to then demand the conformity of another nation... especially when the conference itself lacks any or all representation by Feminany, her allies, or neutral parties.

Last of all, your first claim is based on the unbased idea of the result of this law being a 'human rights' violation... and then threaten the unleashing of biological and chemical weapons on the civilian population of Feminany and her allies? That, in and of itself is a hypocritical statement... you would be needlessly killing men and women in Feminany, a human rights violation in and of itself. The TRSS Orion is more than capable of glassing your entire nation.... however, it would be a foundational violation of our principles to do so.... we want peace, and equity in this... and if we are quite capable of refraining from arbitrarily glassing your entire nation, you can exercize your capability NOT to use WMD's on the general civilian populace.

To restate... the law in no way kills anyone.... males over 18 are 'illegal' and must either undergo operative procedures, or repatriate to another nation (to which agreement of that nation, and guranteed citizen status has already been accomplished). Those under 18 are allowed to mature to the proper age, where they can then make this decision, either repatriation of operation, on their own. If you have any 'actual' objections, please present them to me, and I would be glad to play 'devils advocate' on your part at the official conference...


I know this, and, if you will please carefully read my stetement, you will discover.
The Feminany peace conference which I referred to is the one started by-and hosted within-feminany*, and my threat was if it were discovered that any violations of the proposals made by feminany itself were to take place.

I resent a threat based on an uninformed opinion, but alas, we are all humans, and none can confess guilty to perfection.

As to your complaints on the "hypocrisy" of my actions, well, I can only restate my nation's motto one that our citizens live by day after day " Es mas digno morir de pie que vivir de rodillas"


*http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7026451&posted=1#post7026451

The Republic of Tiburon, appalled at the human rights atrocities being committed in Feminany and the subsequent disregard of such policies by Automagfreek and his allies, who have wantonly and illegitimately taken the name of NATO and sanctioned such barbaric practices, has ordered vessels led by Amnesty International Tiburon to accept any and all refugees. The AIT ships will be closely guarded by Tiburonese naval ships, and if so much as a remote threat from a slingshot is fired, naval vessels will fire back with lethal force to neutralize all enemies.

Sinecerly,
Nova Starfighter, President of Tiburon

(OOC: I was going to add my Mobile Suits and support carriers, but seeing as how they're being ignored...)

Neo-Tiburon, it's already being handled by other nations... hell, it's been "handled" for some time. They aren't killing anyone and they have done alot to change while sticking to their principles.

In anycase we support the protection of national soveriegnity from nations who actually threatened to rape the feminany populace. We would offer our military support as previously noted in our private communique, but we trust that Automagfreek is more then up to the task.

Should Lord Dreadfire require assistance in this matter we would be happy to concider sending assistance.

Thanks,

Foreign Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Iuthia,

1.) Aren't you UnAPS too? Whose side are you on?
2.) All I really did was sent Amnesty International boats there to pick up potential refugees. Guarded by Tiburonese battleships and aircraft carriers, of course.

We aren't threatening you Tiburon, I was pointing out that other nations have already started work on taking refugees with the full cooperation of Feminany.

However; not everything has it's sides my ally. I don't side with UnAPS over every issue and I have clashed with the likes of Scandavian States previously when they barged into another region to "hunt" piracy without even attempting to tell the nations in the region that their trade routes will be surrounded by 400+ military vessels.

We have been involved in this incident well before Automagfreek and while we aren't entirely keen on their tactics in some matters, we respect what they are doing. They are defending the fact that each nation rules itself... otherwise who's to say that they won't invade Iuthia next because we're a dictatorship?

National Soveriegnity is important to us and Feminany has made concessions to assure us that this is being made as humane as possible. I would suggest you don't push me on this matter as I'm not willing to budge.

thanks,

Foreign Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Didn't say you were. And believe it or not, most things do have sides. While we are in support of national sovereignity to an extent, Tiburon believes in the sovereignity of an individual over a government on matters of human rights, civil liberties, etc. All I am announcing (for now, anyway) is that the AIT felt that something had to be done, and, for the safety of the AIT (we don't exactly feel safe if AMF warships are within striking range of Amnesty International boats), the Tiburonese Navy has decided to come to assist. And that, as in all other cases, the Tiburonese Navy will fire if fired upon. I'm not asking you to take a position, just making mine known. And carrying that position out.

"Prime Minister, we believe that we should take a neutral stance against Feminany and impose a regional trade embargo against this rogue nation. They are after all in violation of numerous human rights." one of the junior ministers at a caucus meeting for the Kryozerkia NDP suggested.

Throwing the 'kid' a dirty look, the PM, Kiari Shkovi-Fritz replied, "we didn't impose any sanctions or embargos on The Queendom of Nyosei when they were found in violations."

"We wanted to!"

"No, the spineless oppostion wanted to! Now, shut-up and sit down, or I'll strike you down to civil servant so fast you won't know what hit you!" She declared, lifting a fist. She then turned to the rest of them. "And, I don't give a damn what the rest of you say! What is declared by Automagfreek and/or NATO goes!"

-- Official Kryozerkian Statement --

While we of The Marxist-Leninist Democracy of Kryozerkia don't agree with the policies and practices of the nation of Feminany, we stand by their right to be a sovereign nation. We also stand by the decision made by Automagfreek. We will support them in their choice and back them when they make a call for assistance.

Press release from the holy empire of crackpie: In a recent press conference,the emperor of crackpie declared to the press

" I am apalled that any nation would choose to back feminany in such a horrible violation of human rights. we have made our intentios clear, and will not back down,especially under threat of force from third parties. I will restate for the press. If feminany doesnt comply with the requirements stated in the femiany peace conference, we will execute a biochemical strike on civillian targets. If any offensidve action is taken by any other nations, they will suffer the same fate, as Crackpie has the ability to launch said strike unto almost any part of the world."

OOC Oh you are, are you?

IC:

Press Release

While once again, we must reiterate that Vastiva has no interest in the internal machinations of any nation, we must yet again state the conclusion of our policy statement - "as long as those actions do not adversely affect those neighboring or distant nations which do not freely choose to be so affected".

As such, Vastiva will be placing three PANDORAS BOX satellites above Feminany territory once clearance is gained from Feminany officials. These satellites shall have one and only one purpose - to destroy any and all incoming ICBM or equivalent ballistic course objects.

We are well aware of AMF's ability to do the equivalent, and realize when placed against the might of our NATO ally, this is but a token gesture. However, it is more then a token, it is a statement.

Vastiva will not stand idly by and allow such attempts to brutalize and browbeat. This is our notice of involvement, because we have made it our business to be involved.

Namaste.

General Riva Sola al-Din
Commander, Vastivan Armed Services
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

I know this, and, if you will please carefully read my stetement, you will discover.
The Feminany peace conference which I referred to is the one started by-and hosted within-feminany*, and my threat was if it were discovered that any violations of the proposals made by feminany itself were to take place.

I resent a threat based on an uninformed opinion, but alas, we are all humans, and none can confess guilty to perfection.

As to your complaints on the "hypocrisy" of my actions, well, I can only restate my nation's motto one that our citizens live by day after day " Es mas digno morir de pie que vivir de rodillas"


*http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=7026451&posted=1#post7026451

Um, interesting 'motto'.... Can't see how it means much, unless the motto would be better rendered 'Es mejor morir en sus pies, que vivir en sus rodillas.'
But, to each his own, I suppose. Regardless, the possition is still hypocritical, it merely means hypocracy is encoded into your government and people. Utinam logica tuam philosphiam totam suffodiant.

Monetistan

"Eh?" Frederik Montoya, Co- Director of the Conglomerate looked around. "The arrogant, malevolent fucks have done some statement?"

"Yes, Sir. Apparently they are protecting Feminany's sovereignity or something."

"Feh." Montoya sighed, for a moment. "Well, at least they don't use their Sentinels to compensate for Dreadfire's compensation issues by way of raping an entire nations like they tend to do..."

His secretary, a rather young woman, apparently pregnant, nodded. "Well, you know how they are..."

"RAWR, I'M BIG, yes, I know... Makes me wonder just how they survive with that attitude. Anyway... Does this concern us in any way?"

"Not really, no... A few pubescent national leaders will probably abstain from invade Feminany, since AMF does have some reputation..."

"Based on killing defenseless enemies, I know. Must be fun. Anyway... A statement of support, perhaps?"

"Well... Why not? Might boost Dreadfire's ego some more, perhaps it will explode one day."

"Mhm... My initial idea was to sell them strapons, but that might work, too."

Later that Day, Evening News

"... And it looks like the Kajali situation is still waiting for its climax to commend.

In other news, The Conglomerate, Largest of the various Corporate Entities in Monetistan, said that it is 'Glad, that further parts of the world join the cause of sovereignity & liberty with regards to Feminany and its mark... People.' However, the 'All Christian Union' already declared this Conglomerate Action to be 'Yet another immoral and evil act of the corporate satan destroying decency all over the world.'

The weather. 22°C at the southern coast, hurricane 'Albert' seems to miss the Atreides Islands..."

The fate of feminity does not concern the Order in the slightest, but that is not why we're speaking on the matter. AMF, no matter how large he may be, has absolutely no right to dictate to other nations how they will act in a matter. While for most smaller nations, it would be virtual suicide to not submit to AMF's will, a coalition could counter them.
The Order is not advocating war, of course. We are mercenaries, but even mercenaries do not desire death, destruction and dispair that is born of war; we live with it so much that not seeing it is a grand blessing.
But the Order is saying that AMF has absolutely no right for dictating other nation's policies, and by constantly submitting, everyone is merely encouraging further dictation from AMF.

Our apologies for hijacking the current discussion, but we felt something must be said.

The fate of feminity does not concern the Order in the slightest, but that is not why we're speaking on the matter. AMF, no matter how large he may be, has absolutely no right to dictate to other nations how they will act in a matter. While for most smaller nations, it would be virtual suicide to not submit to AMF's will, a coalition could counter them.
The Order is not advocating war, of course. We are mercenaries, but even mercenaries do not desire death, destruction and dispair that is born of war; we live with it so much that not seeing it is a grand blessing.
But the Order is saying that AMF has absolutely no right for dictating other nation's policies, and by constantly submitting, everyone is merely encouraging further dictation from AMF.

Our apologies for hijacking the current discussion, but we felt something must be said.

As I have said before, It is my opinion that AMF is only protecting genocidal maniacs. The joke will be on him, someday.

OOC: Hasn't this argument defused yet? Would everybody just get over it, it seems like months ago when feminany made her comments, and yet the name calling and threats contiue. I think a ll those involed should lie down, calm down, and count to a 1000. And think 'Is really worth the bother. Can I just let the subject drop?'

A brief note filtered down through one of AMF's more secure servers, earmarked for Damien.

Begin Message
TO: Damien Dreafire
FR: Anesca PHALANX
RE: Feminany
TX:
Sorry for the slight matter of abusing one of your ports, but I figured that this method would A) Keep irritating little nations from intercepting this message, and B) Point out that some of your ports are less secure than they could be (an issue that I'd be more than willing to solve for you, for a slight fee, by the way).

At any rate, the Hack would like to extend its unofficial support for your declaration of Feminany being 'off limits'. The actions of certain... piss-ant nations is more than a little irritating, and we hope that your rather firm stance on the matter should make them shut the hell up.

- Anesca
End Message

[OOC:
1) To AMF: sorry for playing a little fast and loose with how the message arrived, but I'm assuming that you'll let it slide, given my history. If not, assume it arrived with some gawdawful level of encryption.
2) To anyone who thinks they've intercepted this: You haven't. I'll statwank the Hell out of the first person who tries.]

From the desk of the president-

I am concerned that Automagfree's actions will lead us into greater peril.

1) by 'defending' Feminany they send the message that they will defend anyone.

2) The likelyhood of war increases with a hostile force inside Feminany. Nations who are just looking for a fight might well declare this their battlefield.

We mean no disrespect towards the government of Automagfreek (though frankly we beleive they defend the wrong country. We are pacifist and refuse to consider war as a method of anything but self defense.), but request you consider this.

With all due respect to the nations concerned
Kenneth Anthony Willms
President of the DS of KSP

Ooc- I personally feel Feminany foreign policy will become belligerent now that AMF is backing her. She may start trying to force neighboring nations to mutilate their male populations. Time will tell.

The fate of feminity does not concern the Order in the slightest, but that is not why we're speaking on the matter. AMF, no matter how large he may be, has absolutely no right to dictate to other nations how they will act in a matter.

If you were paying attention, which it is clear you were not, you would have noticed that Automagfreek is basically "dictating" to these nations that they cannot force their will on Feminany... it was they those nations who tried to dictate what laws Feminany can and can not have in the first place. Automagfreek and others are simply putting an end to that.

1) by 'defending' Feminany they send the message that they will defend anyone.

Actually you will find that the message was "We now have relations with Feminany and because we don't want to loose those relations we shall protect them"

Automagfreek and the many others who support Feminany's right to ruling their own nation are not condoning their actions against the male gender, we are simply comdemning those who would ignore proper diplomacy and national soveriegnity.

He isn't defending "anyone" he's defending Feminany. It's not even because AMF support their laws; it's because AMF happens to have relations with the government and doesn't want a bunch of tinpot idiots declaring war without even attempting diplomacy.

2) The likelyhood of war increases with a hostile force inside Feminany. Nations who are just looking for a fight might well declare this their battlefield.

Er... what? I fail to see a point here. There is not hostile forces in Feminany. There are a few soldiers from nations willing to defend Feminany... but they are defending. Any nations who wants a war simply because they "are looking for a fight" will find a war regardless of additional forces defending Feminany.

The forces in fact that Automagfreek has stepped in has reduced the chance of war because few nations want to fight them. Meanwhile others have accepted that Feminany has given some concessions and they are not killing men, refugees are being moved from her nation and the majority of nations are content... as far as I know there are no more nations at war with Feminany.

Of course, should this change, Automagfreek will defend Feminany from unprovoked agression... it's as simple as that.

If you were paying attention, which it is clear you were not, you would have noticed that Automagfreek is basically "dictating" to these nations that they cannot force their will on Feminany... it was they those nations who tried to dictate what laws Feminany can and can not have in the first place. Automagfreek and others are simply putting an end to that.


Couldn't have said it better myself.

AMF authority on this matter is due to the fact that outside parties felt the need to force their beliefs on a society wishing to comprise itself of only females. AMF is simply defneding Feminany's right to exist and govern their nation as they see fit.

a coalition could counter them.

Then by all means, bring your coalition. See how long such a thing would last. Automagfreek will not be intimidated by what you or anyone else says. Lord Dreadfire will do exactly as he sees fit, and in reality there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

I scoff at your notion that AMF would kneel before a 'coalition'.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/images/gold/thumb/3401.gif
Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Upon hearing this, chellis will pull its bombers and artillery division out of feminany, their actions mostly finished anyways. Chellian forces should ship out within the day(I hadnt officially pulled out yet).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

AMF authority on this matter is due to the fact that outside parties felt the need to force their beliefs on a society wishing to comprise itself of only females. AMF is simply defneding Feminany's right to exist and govern their nation as they see fit.



Then by all means, bring your coalition. See how long such a thing would last. Automagfreek will not be intimidated by what you or anyone else says. Lord Dreadfire will do exactly as he sees fit, and in reality there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

I scoff at your notion that AMF would kneel before a 'coalition'.

http://www.sideshowtoy.com/images/gold/thumb/3401.gif
Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-



"Ah yes, and our society wishes to comprise itself only of White Christians, who shall speak in favor of us?"

Paul Stahlecker

Ooc- I personally feel Feminany foreign policy will become belligerent now that AMF is backing her. She may start trying to force neighboring nations to mutilate their male populations. Time will tell.

OOC: I personally feel Decisive Action's foreign policy is to attack the weak and helpless... Oh wait, this is OOC opinion, it has no place in this IC thread; we're not doing anything more then spreading OOC hate![/sarcasm]

Upon hearing this, chellis will pull its bombers and artillery division out of feminany, their actions mostly finished anyways. Chellian forces should ship out within the day(I hadnt officially pulled out yet).

IGNORED: Wow... even after your GODMODed war thread was locked by a mod you still beleive you had bombers in her nation. Seriously Chellis, I would have thought you knew better.

"Ah yes, and our society wishes to comprise itself only of White Christians, who shall speak in favor of us?"

Paul Stahlecker

I would - as would plenty of others provided you weren't chopping heads off of Black Muslims.

Each nation has the right to self-determination, provided they don't unfairly limit the rights of others.

Exist as you choose to exist...within the limits of decency and liberty.

A brief note filtered down through one of AMF's more secure servers, earmarked for Damien.

Begin Message
TO: Damien Dreafire
FR: Anesca PHALANX
RE: Feminany
TX:
Sorry for the slight matter of abusing one of your ports, but I figured that this method would A) Keep irritating little nations from intercepting this message, and B) Point out that some of your ports are less secure than they could be (an issue that I'd be more than willing to solve for you, for a slight fee, by the way).

At any rate, the Hack would like to extend its unofficial support for your declaration of Feminany being 'off limits'. The actions of certain... piss-ant nations is more than a little irritating, and we hope that your rather firm stance on the matter should make them shut the hell up.

- Anesca
End Message

[OOC:
1) To AMF: sorry for playing a little fast and loose with how the message arrived, but I'm assuming that you'll let it slide, given my history. If not, assume it arrived with some gawdawful level of encryption.
2) To anyone who thinks they've intercepted this: You haven't. I'll statwank the Hell out of the first person who tries.]

OOC: This message is for Hack only. Uber secret encryption and all that.

~From the desk of Lord Damien the Destroyer, Supreme Warlord of the Excessively Armed Empire of Automagfreek~

I am most pleased to hear The Hack is supporting AMF policy to defend Feminany from unjust aggression. I have made it clear many a time to some of these 'piss-ant' nations that 0 tolerance will be issued forth on this matter.

Again, I'm glad to see that we're finally on the same page. Hopefully this will lead to better relations between our two societies, yes?


http://67.18.37.14/40/9/upload/p3403.jpg
---Damien the Destroyer---
-Supreme Warlord of AMF-



OOC: Don't worry about it Hack. And sorry for the bunk ass response to your post. I'm at work currently.

I would - as would plenty of others provided you weren't chopping heads off of Black Muslims.

Each nation has the right to self-determination, provided they don't unfairly limit the rights of others.

Exist as you choose to exist...within the limits of decency and liberty.


"Firstly, we only have Arab muslims, be they in Western Sahara or Mississippian Egypt, and a few white muslim converts in the Western Sahara, secondly, it's they who started the troubles."

Paul Stahlecker


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=356776


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=353604

OOC...

I've seen loads of people talking about wars and invasions. How does this work in this game? Is there a way to "attack" other nations and actually make a difference? Or is it all just talk?

There's not much point in debating it... The conference is underway, and most animocity over the issue in Feminany has been settled in concessions made. They have their law, and no one is being unwillingly killed or mutilated in the process. At this point there is no logical justification for continues hostilities.... DA, once again, We are at present seeking the release of your delegate... We are awaiting Madame Dworkings response.

OOC...

I've seen loads of people talking about wars and invasions. How does this work in this game? Is there a way to "attack" other nations and actually make a difference? Or is it all just talk?


OOC: It's all roleplaying, or story telling if you will.

Sort of like Dungeons and Dragons, but alot cooler.


Read this: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=282993

"Miss Chaknov, there's appears to be quite a bit of hostility on cause of our allie backing Feminay."

Ellison turned towards him, looking at him how she had learned her father had to intimidate his lowers. It worked, the man flinched a little. He was old enough to have worked for her father.

Elli placed a stack of papers to the side of her desk. "Personally, I don't exactly support what Feminay does, but if AMF feels as though the nation needs to be protected. If Damien needs help, which he probably won't, then he'll ask for it. Until then, we don't do a thing."

The man, a general she now realized, started up,"Miss Chaknov, there is likely to be a war over this. You know how some nations are."

Elli glared at him. "General, I may not be my father, but that still gives you no right to speak up about one of my decisions. We don't do anything. Is that clear?"

The general shook his head, but answered,"Yes......Miss Chaknov."

She smiled,"Good."

The general left the room, leaving Elli to her paperwork.

(OOC: If you need help, I'm here. You probably won't though. But just in case.)

OOC: Thanks Sigma.

IGNORED: Wow... even after your GODMODed war thread was locked by a mod you still beleive you had bombers in her nation. Seriously Chellis, I would have thought you knew better.

A. I didnt know it was locked.

B. It wasnt my thread.

C. It wasnt godmodded, as she refused to respond to my attacks. I never posted her losses either.

D. I was trying to build up to something with it, but it didnt work out. It didnt serve me any real IC purpose to just obliterate a few of her cities.

E. I thought you already ignored me. Ohh well, Im not sobbing over the loss.

[whatever]

Meh, she didn't respond because of the six pages of attacks against her nation before she could even post once in the thread, include your own drumrolled attacks.

She gave you guys the OOC conditions later on if you wanted to conduct a war against her, but the truth is most of you missed it because of another six posts of "RAWR WAR"... as far as I know only one nation was officially recognised as being at war with her becasue they followed the intructions designed to make the war worthwhile.

I meant "ignored" as in the action, not the nation. But seeing as you clearly don't understand RP etiquette... though I'm seriously concidering ignoring your nation outright instead of a few stupid actions which I feel are the worst examples of RP I've ever seen.

BS and more BS

I didnt post after she gave those OOC conditions, which I didnt see either. I told her to respond to my attacks when she was posting in other threads, and she didnt, so Im maintaining I did them.

My posts werent in conjunction with others, so 6 pages of rawr war =| my few posts.

I told her to respond to my attacks when she was posting in other threads, and she didnt, so Im maintaining I did them.

That's not how NS works, you should just ignore her... You can't justify GODMODing troops in her city because she didn't respond.

That's not how NS works, you should just ignore her... You can't justify GODMODing troops in her city because she didn't respond.


OOC: I don't want to take sides here, but I do agree that what transpired was really lame.

OOC: I don't want to take sides here, but I do agree that what transpired was really lame.

Meh, I'm pissed off that not only was the war attempted against her lame, but then Chellis justified his actions at the end of it as:

I see no reason to make some great Role-play on this. Im not taking anything over. Im fighting an idiotic roleplayer who isnt responding after days. This is pretty much just an international gang-bang, and I see no reason to put to much effort into it.

This was posted on the second day after the war started; baring in mind that at this point the thread was on it's 12th page...

She ignore the thread officially around the 6th page because at the end of the first day when Feminany wasn't around to reply many of the nations had drumrolled attacks against them. Chellis had done around three posts which ended with his bombers hitting her nation before her first reply to the thread on the 6th page.

As far as I'm concerned she doesn't have to acknowledge (and shouldn't) any of the RP he has done because he has ignored the convention of RP etiquette. For him to claim he's leaving her nation when he's not even in it is just plain wank.

Meh, I'm pissed off that not only was the war attempted against her lame, but then Chellis justified his actions at the end of it as:


OOC: I feel the same way. I'm kind of disappointed in you Chellis. A good RPer gives it his/her all 24/7, regardless of the story.


This was posted on the second day after the war started; baring in mind that at this point the thread was on it's 12th page...

She ignore the thread officially around the 6th page because at the end of the first day when Feminany wasn't around to reply many of the nations had drumrolled attacks against them. Chellis had done around three posts which ended with his bombers hitting her nation before her first reply to the thread on the 6th page.

As far as I'm concerned she doesn't have to acknowledge (and shouldn't) any of the RP he has done because he has ignored the convention of RP etiquette. For him to claim he's leaving her nation when he's not even in it is just plain wank.


OOC: I have my settings different, so it's only like 5 or 6 pages total. But anyways, Feminany has proven to be a reasonable person OOCly as well as a good RPer. I do believe Chellis's comments were out of line and his personal insult about her being an 'idiotic roleplayer' was out of line and I personally feel an apology is in order.

This whole thing is just one big pile of crap, hence why some of the more notable RPers in I.I have stepped up to the table (Hack, you, and myself mainly). Hopefully we can straighten this out both ICly and OOCly before things get too far out of hand.

I'd hate to see Fem get turned away from this site because of a bunch of foolish people acting like n00bs.

I'd hate to see Fem get turned away from this site because of a bunch of foolish people acting like n00bs.

Fair enough. I shouldn't get so worked up over such things and I should concentrate on my NS roleplay. I'll be happy when this is all over. Thanks for sticking up for her.

OOC: way to stick up for the little guys AMF,

I've tried TG'ing Feminany about my Friendship Conference.

She posted in it once, but other than that, I haven't heard from her. Are any of you guys in touch with her on a daily basis or something? I also sent AMF a TG last week.

I'm not sure if any of my TG's are getting through. I'd like to try to continue my Friendship Conference RP.

Let me know if Feminany or AMF got my TG's from last week. :)

I've tried TG'ing Feminany about my Friendship Conference.

She posted in it once, but other than that, I haven't heard from her. Are any of you guys in touch with her on a daily basis or something? I also sent AMF a TG last week.

I'm not sure if any of my TG's are getting through. I'd like to try to continue my Friendship Conference RP.

Let me know if Feminany or AMF got my TG's from last week. :)


OOC: I got it, but haven't been able to type up a proper post yet. I'll try to get one in today or tomorrow.

OOC: way to stick up for the little guys AMF,


OOC: It's my pleasure. :)

This is one of the rare instances where I don't mind using OOC reasons to justify IC action. I know that's n00bish, but it's for a good cause nonetheless.

Orders went out. Orders went out to the 9th, the 4th, and the 7th heicopter strike forces to ready for battle at any moment. Just in case.

Ooc-

Now maybe you all didn't pick up on this here, it was very subtle. But Jean Marie Navarre is interested in meeting, and possibly courting, the daughter of the Feminany Queen. If Feminany wants to, and the RP goes good, Jean Marie could marry the princess of Feminany. If the eldest son of Curtis Fabus's best friend, (His best friend being Bertrand Navarre) were to marry a woman from another nation, royalty at that, it would be the equivalent of an alliance. Granted Curtis Fabus isn't the leader of DA anymore, but Roger would listen to his father should he say, "Cement an alliance here because my friends son married that woman."


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7024015&postcount=66

[OOC: I left the earlier thread because it was just getting kind of pointless, and don't remember if I was involved there with West Scotland or with Zoogie People. No matter, I'm just here to make a short statement and won't be participating...no time...]

Communique regarding Feminany

As had been made clear before, it is our policy to not interfere with a sovereign nation's internal policies (to a point), and we wish to apply it here. However convoluted Feminany's policies are, we have seen not one record of forced sex change or physical harm to a single male in the nation. Sevaris, you question what god-given right that Lord Dreadfire possesses to tell you what to do; we laugh at your hypocrisy. What right have you to tell Feminany what to do?

We have full faith that this situation can be handled by Lord Dreadfire alone, and we regret to announce that we have our own pressing interregional affairs to attend to.

(Sorry if this is a little late in the thread by the way. Might've missed a few things...)

OOC: Completely unrelated, but i was informed that AMF had taken a leave of absence from the forum, could i hear the true story from the horse's mouth as it were?

Mayor Kabapus seconds the movement to allow Feminany to do whatever they want to their citizens, as all other nations should be able to. However, he also demands violence in whatever way possible. If anyone can donate anything to kill, such as prisoners or slaves, we will gladly accept.
-The Secretary

I havnt seen Feminany give any decent rp, so I cant say anything other than what I saw about the forced femality, etc. If Feminany is not an idiotic rper, and im uninformed, I do give an OOC apology.

NS has too many "War declared on wars" and "Atheists/jews/communists wiped out"s, and only so few lead to something good. I was going to use the destruction of Feminany as a point in a future rp.

My saying we pulled out didnt mean much, I didnt plan on ever mentioning the feminany thing again. I decided to comment on this however, partially to show that I dont dislike AMF, and I want to maintain friendly relations, even if things got heated between us in NATO.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

AMF authority on this matter is due to the fact that outside parties felt the need to force their beliefs on a society wishing to comprise itself of only females. AMF is simply defneding Feminany's right to exist and govern their nation as they see fit.

There are two things called international human rights laws (see various UN laws) and the sovereignity of the people over the governments that they are being ruled by (see the Charter of the United Nations). They're both international law, neither of which Feminany seem to be following.

Then by all means, bring your coalition. See how long such a thing would last. Automagfreek will not be intimidated by what you or anyone else says. Lord Dreadfire will do exactly as he sees fit, and in reality there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.

...unless said nation is smaller than another nation...

I scoff at your notion that AMF would kneel before a 'coalition'.

Coalitions can grow massive if left unchecked. Sound advice from someone who has just sent Amnesty International and Tiburonese Navy vessels.

Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

From allies to shields clashed. What a difference a year makes. Tell me, what has happened to NATO since our alliance under our common (and Tiburon's continued) goals?

Sincerely,
Nova Starfighter, President of the United Republics of Tiburon

...unless said nation is smaller than another nation...




I call bullshit on this statement.

Automagfreek is not afraid to do battle with even the largest nation out there. We do not focus our military wrath only on the weak, but I have noticed lately that the only ones messing with Automagfreek are the 'smaller nations' of the world.

What should that tell you? It tells me that the larger nations that have been around longer simply know better. The world knows that we will fight anyone regardless of the size of thier civilian populace. The population of a nation means nothing to us, because we are confident that we have one of the finest militaries in the world. That is what matters, and we will fight anyone regardles of size with every ounce of strength we possess.

But up until now I have yet to see a 'large, old' nation come after us. And on the day that happens, you will see the passing of said nation at the hands of the Sentinels.

http://67.18.37.14/40/9/upload/p1005314.jpg
Azrael the Advocate
-Warchief of AMF Forces-

I call bullshit on this statement.

Automagfreek is not afraid to do battle with even the largest nation out there. We do not focus our military wrath only on the weak, but I have noticed lately that the only ones messing with Automagfreek are the 'smaller nations' of the world.

What should that tell you? It tells me that the larger nations that have been around longer simply know better. The world knows that we will fight anyone regardless of the size of thier civilian populace. The population of a nation means nothing to us, because we are confident that we have one of the finest militaries in the world. That is what matters, and we will fight anyone regardles of size with every ounce of strength we possess.

But up until now I have yet to see a 'large, old' nation come after us. And on the day that happens, you will see the passing of said nation at the hands of the Sentinels.

http://67.18.37.14/40/9/upload/p1005314.jpg
Azrael the Advocate
-Warchief of AMF Forces-

OOC:

I remember reading somewhere that you were dealt a stalemate in a war with Melkor Unchained. However, I'm unsure why this happened. Was it because Melkor had equal military or because one of you were forced to stop the RP due to RL stuff? Just curious, thats all.

OOC:

I remember reading somewhere that you were dealt a stalemate in a war with Melkor Unchained. However, I'm unsure why this happened. Was it because Melkor had equal military or because one of you were forced to stop the RP due to RL stuff? Just curious, thats all.


OOC: RL situations. Same kind of situations that forced Pantera and a few others on both sides to step out. I was doing rather well too, but we probably would have tied anyways considering Melkor is 1 of 2 'uberpowers' on NS (Menelmacar being the other).

Ooc-

Now maybe you all didn't pick up on this here, it was very subtle. But Jean Marie Navarre is interested in meeting, and possibly courting, the daughter of the Feminany Queen. If Feminany wants to, and the RP goes good, Jean Marie could marry the princess of Feminany. If the eldest son of Curtis Fabus's best friend, (His best friend being Bertrand Navarre) were to marry a woman from another nation, royalty at that, it would be the equivalent of an alliance. Granted Curtis Fabus isn't the leader of DA anymore, but Roger would listen to his father should he say, "Cement an alliance here because my friends son married that woman."


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=7024015&postcount=66

What planet do you live on? Do you honestly believe any leader who believes as the people of Feminany do would marry anyone? Particularly a bourgeois snob like Jean Marie? Particularly a male bourgeois snob like Jean Marie?

Heck, I'm all for JM being imported to Feminary. He's over 18, right? And he apparently does want to be there. So we all know which option of Feminary law would apply to him.... er, "her".

And who in their right mind would want to ally with the ringleader of the troublemakers?

There are two things called international human rights laws (see various UN laws) and the sovereignity of the people over the governments that they are being ruled by (see the Charter of the United Nations). They're both international law, neither of which Feminany seem to be following.

Odd... I didn't realise that Feminany was in the UN. In fact, I bet Feminany didn't realise their nation was subject to UN rule given that they are not part of the United Nation. So I fail to see how United Nations laws apply to them.

Unless you are saying that the resolutions that the UN agrees to applies to all nations, in which case they should to cracking down on Iuthia's complete and utter lack of democracy anytime now.

Both your examples are moot point. We both know that neither laws are international law but in fact United Nations law which only apply to United Nations members. Seeing as Feminany isn't a member of the UN I fail to see how these apply to Feminany because as far as I know there is no international law.

Foriegn Minister Mike Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

I havnt seen Feminany give any decent rp, so I cant say anything other than what I saw about the forced femality, etc. If Feminany is not an idiotic rper, and im uninformed, I do give an OOC apology.

NS has too many "War declared on wars" and "Atheists/jews/communists wiped out"s, and only so few lead to something good. I was going to use the destruction of Feminany as a point in a future rp.

My saying we pulled out didnt mean much, I didnt plan on ever mentioning the feminany thing again. I decided to comment on this however, partially to show that I dont dislike AMF, and I want to maintain friendly relations, even if things got heated between us in NATO.

Oh is that so Chellis?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355830

It isn't finished yet but it will....now apolagize and shut up.

Oh is that so Chellis?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=355830

It isn't finished yet but it will....now apolagize and shut up.

OOC: Apologize for what? I said I hadnt seen one, and I hadnt.

Yeesh. When a person refuses to respond to your attacks, yet makes threads at the same time asking for help, I view them as dumb.

ooc: Look, I'm sorry to everybody who was prepared to do a decent war with me. However, it was ruined by 90% of the 'co-alition' who were determined to wipe me out and other unsavourery things with no respect of RP conventions. So Chellis yes, I am sorry. There is also the added complication of myself not having much time on a computer. My home connection has recently died, so I am typing this on a college computer where the main NS site is blocked, so I can't access my TG's. This should be solved in around a week or so.

And DA, you are incredibly naive.

ic:

We can confirm the expression of support for our nations right to govern itself. We thank the many nations who have transended the path of barbarism and have shown true goodness in maintaining our right to live peacefully and according to our laws. We hope that this alliance will flourish and bring peace and stability to the world.

Eve Dworkings.

ooc: Look, I'm sorry to everybody who was prepared to do a decent war with me. However, it was ruined by 90% of the 'co-alition' who were determined to wipe me out and other unsavourery things with no respect of RP conventions. So Chellis yes, I am sorry. There is also the added complication of myself not having much time on a computer. My home connection has recently died, so I am typing this on a college computer where the main NS site is blocked, so I can't access my TG's. This should be solved in around a week or so.

And DA, you are incredibly naive.

ic:

We can confirm the expression of support for our nations right to govern itself. We thank the many nations who have transended the path of barbarism and have shown true goodness in maintaining our right to live peacefully and according to our laws. We hope that this alliance will flourish and bring peace and stability to the world.

Eve Dworkings.

OoC: Thats okay, just let me know when you get your homeconnection back. I'm looking forward to getting our RP started once more, but no pressure from me just take your time.

OOC:Yeesh. When a person refuses to respond to your attacks, yet makes threads at the same time asking for help, I view them as dumb.

OOC: When someone posts three times in one day because "They refuse to respond" in the few hours they are around, I view them as dumb.

ooC: just out of curiosity, what is meant when it is said that I don't 'do a FWS'?

ooC: just out of curiosity, what is meant when it is said that I don't 'do a FWS'?
[FWS refers to Facist White States, an ex-nation who ran around with a "OMG KILL ALL TEH BLACKZ!" type nation. He was irritating, annoying, and flamed at the drop of a hat, and was eventually deleted. He kept it up with other nations and earned himself a 'DOS' order, which stands for 'Delete On Sight'.]

Anesca realxed, once again, in the digital realm that was her "home" on the Hack's network. Her physical avatar was currently relaxing on a couch, idly flipping through a magazine, not really paying attention as she was far more busy in her 'Construct'.

Let's see here, she thought to herself, some git is trying to access my systems... Electronic sigh, They'll never learn... Reaching throught the system that was home to her, she traced the would-be hacker back to his personal terminal.

A thick concrete wall, ringed in machine gun turrents, barbed wire, and guard towers represented his firewall in the Network. She laughed softly to herself as she reached out and tore a gaping hole in the wall, loose bits of code disintigrating before her as she little pulled the program apart, line by line. As she stepped through the hole, the computer's defensive systems jumped to life: a series of demonic looking creatures ambled after her, looking like their images were ripped from Doom XVII. She giggled softly at how this must look: a twelve year-old girl squaring off against a dozen Demons From The Abyss(TM). She actually liked doing this sort of thing, as it was far more interesting than running maintanence programs like she usually did. She was the Hack's electronic defence after all; it felt good to do some defending, even if it is against chumps like this.

She was about to pull out some program represented by a ridiculously gigantic sword when a little light blinked on, indicating that she had an important message waiting for her. She sighed, not wanting to leave, but knowing she should. Of course, as she was muttering about play time being over, the demons were furiously clawing at her, their claws rather ineffective. Blinking as she noticed the demons again she shrugged and snapped her fingers, reappearing back in her Construct.

The would-be hacker, on the other hand, was treated to a very simple message: "Amateur", before a massive power surge was sent through his power lines, blowing his computer to pieces in a spectacular display of sparks, scortched metal and melted plastic.

Begin Message
Encryption: EXTREME/ORCON
TO: Damien Dreafire
FR: Anesca PHALANX
RE: Feminany
TX:
First, I'm glad you aren't upset about the... unorthodox method of my first message's transmition. However, I feel that more traditional, but still quite secure, transmitions are permisable.

Tighter relations. Well... I'm not exactly in a position to dictate such foreign policy (I was just enlisted because I'm the one who was best suited for hacking your systems), but I have informed Foreign Affairs Director Day, and President Solis of your transmition. There may still be "issues" that need to be resolved, or "understandings" to be reached, but you have to start somewhere, right?

- Anesca
End Message

And DA, you are incredibly naive.


Ooc: I prefer to be called cold, cunning, and calculating, or perhaps something of an schemer, a plotter, a conspirator. Oh well, your opinion, to each his own.

Sitting at the small table in the hotel room he has called home in Feminany's nation he smiles that the peace meeting went well.
The Foreign Affairs Rep for Gnomedude looks over the paperwork from the following days of negotiations with Feminany.
Many nations have agreed to Feminany's soventry, this is good. Nations with a larger military might have come to Feminany's aid in case other disagreing nations attack or invade, this is good.
Hits the "enter key" sending a official response letting Feminany's leaders know that we agree to be added to the list of those nations who are willing to accept the relocated males. This job done.
Sends a respons back to Gnomedude letting them know that this crisis (for the most part) is over and our mobile hospitals will not be needed. This is good.
With a contented smile, he packs up his belongings, files his paperwork, checks out of his hotel and heads back to the Rogue nation of Gonedude. It will be nice to be with my family again.

I call bullshit on this statement.

Automagfreek is not afraid to do battle with even the largest nation out there. We do not focus our military wrath only on the weak, but I have noticed lately that the only ones messing with Automagfreek are the 'smaller nations' of the world.

What should that tell you? It tells me that the larger nations that have been around longer simply know better. The world knows that we will fight anyone regardless of the size of thier civilian populace. The population of a nation means nothing to us, because we are confident that we have one of the finest militaries in the world. That is what matters, and we will fight anyone regardles of size with every ounce of strength we possess.

But up until now I have yet to see a 'large, old' nation come after us. And on the day that happens, you will see the passing of said nation at the hands of the Sentinels.

http://67.18.37.14/40/9/upload/p1005314.jpg
Azrael the Advocate
-Warchief of AMF Forces-

>.<

Once again, people read too much into my posts. I'm sorry if I was implying that AMF wouldn't do battle with a larger nation out of cowardice, just noting that the presence of a larger nation in said coalition would drastically change the situation, making both sides tilt towards peace in an effort to make sure that neither side would be blasted off the face of the Earth.

>.<

Once again, people read too much into my posts. I'm sorry if I was implying that AMF wouldn't do battle with a larger nation out of cowardice, just noting that the presence of a larger nation in said coalition would drastically change the situation, making both sides tilt towards peace in an effort to make sure that neither side would be blasted off the face of the Earth.

OC: No, I understood. If a coalition did come after me and some '4 billion' nation stepped in, it wouldn't change a thing. Civilian populace dosen't mean a whole lot, it's how trained, experienced, and feared your military is.

<Devil's Advocate> And if such a military and such a nation comes? </DA>

BTW, what happened with you and the rest of our WW5 allies? NATO and APTO were such good alliances, too...

<Devil's Advocate> And if such a military and such a nation comes? </DA>

BTW, what happened with you and the rest of our WW5 allies? NATO and APTO were such good alliances, too...

OOC: Dosen't matter is such a military comes. It truely makes no difference. The only thing I can't fight up against (and at least have a fraction of a chance) is 'uber tech', hence why I ignore it because I'm modern tech.

APSO is still around, and I reformed NATO. But I've kind of taken a back seat in NATO because of RL stuff (new girlfriend) and because I'm the Delegate of APTO.

Hehe. Congrats. ^_^

Plus, I find it hard to believe that your Sentinels are that powerful. They are incredibly powerful, yes, but they can't be gods. I already destroyed a few with Wing Gundam...

Hehe. Congrats. ^_^

Plus, I find it hard to believe that your Sentinels are that powerful. They are incredibly powerful, yes, but they can't be gods. I already destroyed a few with Wing Gundam...


OOC: Thanks!

They've gotten alot more powerful since then, and I've also increased my production and training programs. Not to mention I will be adding half a dozen new Warchief's to my arsenal.

Warchiefs? What in the world are those?

OOC: IS it just me, or has the quality of the forums rapidly deteriorated like a lump of Iodine-131 since the move to jolt forums?

Hehe. Congrats. ^_^

Plus, I find it hard to believe that your Sentinels are that powerful. They are incredibly powerful, yes, but they can't be gods. I already destroyed a few with Wing Gundam...

No matter how powerfull, anything can be killed. It just needs some more lead to bring down the more powerfull.

All problems fade away with the propper aplication of high explosives.

Common Guard saying.

Warchiefs? What in the world are those?

OOC: IS it just me, or has the quality of the forums rapidly deteriorated like a lump of Iodine-131 since the move to jolt forums?

OOC: Generals that lead from the front lines. Very fierce warriors.

Meh, not sure really. I've done and seen some very good RP since the move. I do kind of miss the old days, but alas those days are no more.

*late to the party*

Notquiteaplace would like to reiterate an earlier question.

If feminany attacked other nations or had war declared on for reasons other than the rights (ie provoked war through actions that warranted and left no other choice) would AMF protect them against that aggression?

If the awnser (and the above condition is true and not an excuse for war for the "feminazi" reasons) is no, then we support AMF's actions.

If "yes" then we support them up until such a situation arises that forces another nation to war with Feminany. We would oppose support at that point (OOC: not sure to what extent, i guess).

If feminany attacked other nations or had war declared on for reasons other than the rights (ie provoked war through actions that warranted and left no other choice) would AMF protect them against that aggression?


OOC: If Fem started the fight, then no. If a fight was started with Fem and she was innocent, then yes.

Sorry for no IC response, I'm at work at the moment.

OOC: thats fine.. its all i wanted to know

IC: We fully support AMF's actions as they are in moderation and applied with sense.

This is always our goal and our origianl reasons for joining the TBA.. though we are presently a little concerned for its direction.

(OOC: very concerned)

OOC: Feminany defidentally seems to be alot more capable than I originally thought, and for my comments I am sorry for those.

OOC: IS it just me, or has the quality of the forums rapidly deteriorated like a lump of Iodine-131 since the move to jolt forums?

OOC: HAHA! Well said.

IC:

The aide bowed as he finished his report on the situation with AMF and Feminany. His expression was curious as he asked the Lord Reaver,"Should we comment publicly, M'lord?"

Dayne simply shook his head,"They all know I'm watching."