NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: For now, all that will be done is nations posting who they'll send to the Summit.

Delegations from member nations of LEAF are invited to a summit to discuss the charter of the budding alliance. We request that all nations come unarmed, as they will be checked for alll weapons as they arrive and will not be given them back if they are carrying any.
The Summit will be held in Seryapolis, which is...not surprisingly... the capital city of Seryown. The delegate from Seryown at the conference will be Faran Boran, the assistant to the Secretary of Peaceful Foreign Relations, will be the delegate to the summit, and House President Mason may make an appearance.

OOC: For now, all that will be done is nations posting who they'll send to the Summit.

Delegations from member nations of LEAF are invited to a summit to discuss the charter of the budding alliance. We request that all nations come unarmed, as they will be checked for alll weapons as they arrive and will not be given them back if they are carrying any.
The Summit will be held in Seryapolis, which is...not surprisingly... the capital city of Seryown. The delegate from Seryown at the conference will be Faran Boran, the assistant to the Secretary of Peaceful Foreign Relations, will be the delegate to the summit, and House President Mason may make an appearance.

ITD will be sending a delegate.

The delagate from Borman will be:

Alex Charles

We will send our Prime Minister, Sophie Marseilles.

Ottomans will sent Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad
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and her Assistant Nashida Bin Bashir
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to the summit

We request to send a Rosian Camera Crew to the meeting. Unless it is secret...

"I'm afraid that only member nations are welcome at the meeting. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause you or your media networks."
--Faran Boran, Assistant Minister of Foreign Peaceful Relations

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The Iron Concordiat will send Secretary of State Chester Brown and vice-undersecretary of State Ben Godfrey.

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The Armed Republic of Modern Texas, which will be un-armed at this summit, is sending Ryan Souan, the Minister of Foreign Relations, and Brian Burden, the Minister of Trade and Commerce.

Are we gonna wait until everyone sends a delagate or start at some time and let them join later.

The USSCR will send newly elected Foreign Minister Dr. Yuriy Platenkov.

The Empire is pleased to dispatch his excellence, Duke Lawrence Hollistein, Lord of the Foreign Ministry. He will be escorted by his subdorinate Earl Matthew McCarthy. They should arrive within the day.

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OOC: We'll wait a while longer for others to post their delegates... however, we will start without them when necessarry.

OOC: We'll wait a while longer for others to post their delegates... however, we will start without them when necessarry.

Okay

OOC:Is this Alliance going to take any action against Decisive Action, or are we not getting involved?

OOC:Is this Alliance going to take any action against Decisive Action, or are we not getting involved?

OOC: He's getting a large puppet from NDA. We may not be able to physically take any action.

I'll attend.
-Kaiser Alec.

OOC: He's getting a large puppet from NDA. We may not be able to physically take any action.
[OOC: Really? And he complained when I was donated this nation :P BTW, I'm Hadula, if people do not already know.]

The Dracun Imperium will be sending Trag as our delegate

OOC:Is this Alliance going to take any action against Decisive Action, or are we not getting involved?


Ooc- Well that all depends on if you want your land to be good for farming and living, and such, or if you'd rather it to be be radiated for the next several generations.

Ill take that as we shouldnt.

Ooc- Well that all depends on if you want your land to be good for farming and living, and such, or if you'd rather it to be be radiated for the next several generations.

OOC: Your hollow threats are pointless, it seems that most of the NATO alliance has turned against you and therefore you are in no position to be making threats against anyone, by the way its irradiated, not radiated. But since I'm not directly involved I could care less.

OOC: Your hollow threats are pointless, it seems that most of the NATO alliance has turned against you and therefore you are in no position to be making threats against anyone, by the way its irradiated, not radiated. But since I'm not directly involved I could care less.

wow, you took that head on.

wow, you took that head on.

Who does he think he is anyway? Maybe if he had some support in NS I'd take him seriously.

OOC: Your hollow threats are pointless, it seems that most of the NATO alliance has turned against you and therefore you are in no position to be making threats against anyone, by the way its irradiated, not radiated. But since I'm not directly involved I could care less.


Ooc: Since NATO is attempting to go after me for OOC reasons, they've all been dealt with by the trusty ole "Ignore Cannon". I'll not be going after any LEAF members for OOC reasons. Now if you started attacking me, that'd probably count as an IC reason to go after you. But then again, you'd need and IC reason to attack me. OOC not liking my politics, doesn't translate into "IC blank check to attack". This game has to have some semblance of logic and reason.

Ooc: Since NATO is attempting to go after me for OOC reasons, they've all been dealt with by the trusty ole "Ignore Cannon". I'll not be going after any LEAF members for OOC reasons. Now if you started attacking me, that'd probably count as an IC reason to go after you. But then again, you'd need and IC reason to attack me. OOC not liking my politics, doesn't translate into "IC blank check to attack". This game has to have some semblance of logic and reason.

OOC: I've read the thread and its so convoluted at this point that I can't tell what is going on at NATO, but I'm not going to attack you, I was just asking other alliance members what our stance on the issue was.

Who does he think he is anyway? Maybe if he had some support in NS I'd take him seriously.


Ooc:

When I get a 2-3 billion strong nation soon, then the right-wing shall flock to my new alliance, and I can say, "HAHA!" (in a Nelson tone of voice)

I do have support, from the right-wing elements here.

Anyway, this thread isn't about us arguing, so I'm ducking out of this now as I don't want to clutter, we can continue this via TG.

If your talking about your government policies then yeah we could but it would be an invation of national soveirgnty.

The USSCR Foreign Minister stands. He straightens his tie and clears his throat, "Let's get this shit started."

The USSCR Foreign Minister stands. He straightens his tie and clears his throat, "Let's get this shit started."
"I second that..when can we began?"ask Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad

We third it.

The icy cool Imperial Union diplomat, also Foreign Minister, appointed by the Emperor just calmly stayed seated and said in a rather flat tone:

"It would be best to be patient. There are others we must wait for."

He was one of the most respected men in the Union, and was feared for his urneadable demeanor and extensive influence, his reputation only superceded by the ruthless Security Minister, Gregorio Ducheski. His name, was Raphael Locke (http://entimg.msn.com/i/150/ce/0211/JMalkovich_150x218.jpg).

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OOC: When I say apolitical, I mean apolitical. The objective of this alliance is not to assist nations in attacks against other nations, only to defend member nations against attacks. If Decisive Action ever chooses to attack a member nation, it will be this alliance's goal to defend against that attack, but until such time the alliance should have no position, and should permit any nation to act however they wish toward Decisive Action.

Faran Boran was a very neat man. He had exactly the materials he needed and he knew exactly where they were, and why they were there. He knew that everything that could be written with was in the first drawer of the cabinet underneath his computer, that the pens were in the tray in the front, followed by pencils, highlighters, and permanent markers. Paper was under that, organized neatly in a pile on the second drawer.
But Faran Boran was not in his office, so he had access to none of those things. The only reason he was that organized, he knew, was because he was actually a procrastinator at heart, rather forgetful and very lazy. And now he was not at his office, and he had forgotten to use that black permanent marker - the one in the back of the first drawer under his computer - to black out something on one of his documents. He supposed it could probably wait until he got back. He hoped so.
The car stopped near a side entrance to the massive building. It was a new structure, the outside of it decorated with chrome and steel, shining in its silvery color. He stepped out of the car, his assistant picking up his bag for them. He submitted to the search made by the guards outside the building, and walked inside.
There were numerous people waiting inside. The massive room had little decoration on the white walls. He began to scan over the people here, who had turned to look at him. "Greetings. My name is Faran Boran. You doubtless realize that I am the delegate to this summit from Seryown. As I see you have been searched by the guards outside, we may begin. If you'll each grab one of the handrails on the walls, please, and avoid moving to the center of the room, the movement will be a bit sudden."

Hands wrapped around the rail.

(Yeah its a bump)

Locke looked at him and then nodded, moving to the outside of the room and leaning on the rails casually, holding on with a firm grip.

"Is this a rollercoaster? I must say I am not one for sudden movements, I tend to get noxious."

Locke looked at him and then nodded, moving to the outside of the room and leaning on the rails casually, holding on with a firm grip.

"Is this a rollercoaster? I must say I am not one for sudden movements, I tend to get noxious."

Alec was confused, but held on to the rails. "A rollercoaster? What fun."

Faran Boran smiled. "A roller coaster? Not quite." There was a sudden jolt, and those few who had not yet grabbed the handrail did. The windows that looked outside appeared to be speeding upwards. The other three walls seemed to be moving with them, judging by the fact that the handrails were. The speed of it was unjudgable...the apparent movement was so smooth that it was hard to tell they were moving at all, until it began to slow. The wall which had seen windows before the movement now began to show a door that seemed to say they were inside an elevator, and indeed, once they stopped, they slid open to reveal a hallway. Faran shrugged. "We decided that we needed somewhere quiet to discuss this."

Faran Boran smiled. "A roller coaster? Not quite." There was a sudden jolt, and those few who had not yet grabbed the handrail did. The windows that looked outside appeared to be speeding upwards. The other three walls seemed to be moving with them, judging by the fact that the handrails were. The speed of it was unjudgable...the apparent movement was so smooth that it was hard to tell they were moving at all, until it began to slow. The wall which had seen windows before the movement now began to show a door that seemed to say they were inside an elevator, and indeed, once they stopped, they slid open to reveal a hallway. Faran shrugged. "We decided that we needed somewhere quiet to discuss this."
"Well that was...fun.."Said Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad

OOC: I know I am a little late I have been preparing for a war. It will not involve any of you so don't worry.

The Armed States of Scoyle will send the Foreign Affairs Minister Wilhiem Jesenovic.

The USSCR foreign diplomat sighed. "Another funhouse."

"Let's move forwards."

Faran nodded. "Let's." the small procession moved down the bare hallway into another room. A fireplace - the chimney on it must have been very, very long - was lit, adding to the deep contrast between this large room and the rest. A full bar was located to one side, a bartender absently wiping on a glass. Sofas and recliners littered the room. The walls appeared to be mirrors, making the gigantic study even larger, bookshelves interrupting the reflections to provide access to well known works.

Faran stepped to the side and waved his arm to indicate the entire room. "Make yourselves at home."

Chester Brown smiled inwardly as he saw the fully stocked bar, and mentally noted the thougtfullness of the Seyownians. As he knew that the preliminaries would take some time he ordered two whiskey sours and brought them to his leather recliner. He sat down and waited for the other delgates to file in, "now this is a conference I won't mind attending," he said to himself as he sipped his whiskey.....

Foreign Relations Minister Souan approached the bar. "I'll have a Red Bull and Vodka." As the bartender mixed his drink, Minister Souan turned to Faran and asked, "May we smoke?"

"Bloody mary please."

Chester Brown finished his two drinks and decided to get something a little lighter, he walked up to the bar and found Bhalk there, ordering a Bloody Mary, Chester ordered one himself and introduced himself to the renowned Emperor from Borman.

Foreign Relations Minister Souan approached the bar. "I'll have a Red Bull and Vodka." As the bartender mixed his drink, Minister Souan turned to Faran and asked, "May we smoke?"

Faran nodded. "Of course. If you haven't brought your own, you'll find that the bar keeps those in stock as well."

The Republic of Sharina will be sending our delegate, Cid Tranas to this conference.

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Sorry I haven't been on lately, I've been quite kind of busy, only being able to log on NS once or twice a day for 15 - 20 mins. Hopefully things will look up soon. :)

Chester Brown finished his two drinks and decided to get something a little lighter, he walked up to the bar and found Bhalk there, ordering a Bloody Mary, Chester ordered one himself and introduced himself to the renowned Emperor from Borman.

Actually its Alex Charles but...

"Oh no. I wish i was but im not. Im one of the assistants to the newly elected Chancellor Licinius. I know you just got up but my feet are killing me, would you care to take a seat."

Raphael Locke drifted through the crowd and came behind Faran. Faran turned as he noticed the Frenchman's presence before he spoke once again with his flat voice.

"I am sorry, but I did not come to socialize. When are we going to get the business done? I am sorry if I sound, impatient, but I am a man who prefers to get to the point, if you will."

"Oh why can't we just the dam summit..!"Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad said to herself.She and her Assistant Nashida Bin Bashir sit down in a remote part of the room.

Faran motioned to his assistant, and then turned back to Locke. "You'lll see that we're distributing our proposal at this minute. You can review it and speak to me or other delegates a you like about it, however I feel we should not begin official negotiations until everyone has settled in."

His assistant handed Locke a packet of paper, outlining a proposal basically identical to the one ITD had revealed the two had decided on earlier. Faran shrugged. "We call it the Serya plan."

[OOC; Could you post a copy of this proposal for me?]

Faran motioned to his assistant, and then turned back to Locke. "You'lll see that we're distributing our proposal at this minute. You can review it and speak to me or other delegates a you like about it, however I feel we should not begin official negotiations until everyone has settled in."

His assistant handed Locke a packet of paper, outlining a proposal basically identical to the one ITD had revealed the two had decided on earlier. Faran shrugged. "We call it the Serya plan."


Defense Minister Souan lights up a cigarette as he peruses the proposal. "Interesting", he mumbles. The smoke from his Winston encircled his soft leather chair. He took another drag and continued to thumb through the pages, awaiting the coming discussion.

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Raphael leafed through the proposal and then began already to discuss it with those nearby, including a Muslim woman he didn't notice before (Alice.)

"Maybe we should have a specific system on motioning? Maybe dates that the council is supposed to meet? Not only that, but maybe we should appoint out council at this meeting, do you not agree?"

He looked at the woman quite seriously.

Raphael leafed through the proposal and then began already to discuss it with those nearby, including a Muslim woman he didn't notice before (Alice.)

"Maybe we should have a specific system on motioning? Maybe dates that the council is supposed to meet? Not only that, but maybe we should appoint out council at this meeting, do you not agree?"

He looked at the woman quite seriously.

"Why yes I agree.This is a waste of time.."She reply.

"Why yes I agree.This is a waste of time.."She reply.
He gave a faint resemblence of a smile behind his indiscernable eyes.

"I believe we both concur on that subject. But still, we must be patient with our hosts, and there are others who would rather spend time socializing rather than working on the important reason why we are here."

The exact text reads as follows:

Purpose
1) LEAF is designed to provide an apolitical alliance for empires. Read that again. Apolitical. It
means that the charter is not intended to serve any political purpose.
2) All nations agree to promote free trade between each other.
3) LEAF will assist member states in defense of those nations, but not in any attempt of those
nations to gain ground. If a nation is attacked, LEAF will defend them, but they will not assist
them in attacking the land or seas of the attacker unless it is determined that leaving the nation in
existence would be a threat to the attacked state.

Composition
i) All times are in real-time.
ii) Please note that it would be really helpful if everyone who wanted to serve on the council could
pick up at least one IM service.
1) The greater body of members will be headed by a council of six members, elected every six
weeks.
2) The council will be led by a chairman, rotating among the security council members. The chair
shall begin at every six-week period with the member of the council with the highest population.
Every week, it shall rotate to the next member of the council, in order of population, until in the
sixth week the council member with the least population inherits the chair.
3) Elections will be held during the sixth week of the previous council's administration, and will
take their spots on the council at the end of that week. At that point, the chair will revert to the
council member with the highest population, and begin rotating again.

Resolutions
1) Any resolution may be brought to the council by any member of LEAF. At that point, it will be
discussed and later voted on.
2) Any resolution must be passed by over one half of the voting council members. Thus, if one
member abastains, only three votes(out of five) are necessarry. If two members abstain, three
votes(out of four) are still necessarry.
3) The chair may veto any resolution. It goes back to the council, where it must be ratified by at
least three-fourths of the voters. That is, 3/4, 4/5, or 5/6, depending on number of abstentions.

He gave a faint resemblence of a smile behind his indiscernable eyes.

"I believe we both concur on that subject. But still, we must be patient with our hosts, and there are others who would rather spend time socializing rather than working on the important reason why we are here."
"I councur with you.Betteer to be patient then be an ass.."She reply.

"I councur with you.Betteer to be patient then be an ass.."She reply.
He leaned back.

"I'm not sure I know you, what is your name?"

He leaned back.

"I'm not sure I know you, what is your name?"
"I am Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad a Relative to Sultan and this here is my Assistant Nashida Bin Bashir and younger sister of Sultan.And you are?"She reply.

"I am Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad a Relative to Sultan and this here is my Assistant Nashida Bin Bashir and younger sister of Sultan.And you are?"She reply.
"From the Ottoman Khaif? I am Raphael, Raphael Locke. Foreign Minister for the Imperial Union, or perhaps better know to you as the Napoleonic Empire."

"From the Ottoman Khaif? I am Raphael, Raphael Locke. Foreign Minister for the Imperial Union, or perhaps better know to you as the Napoleonic Empire."
"Ah Napoleonic Empire...Its good to meet you Raphael Locke."She reply in French

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"Ah Napoleonic Empire...Its good to meet you Raphael Locke."She reply in French
He smiled and replied in Arabic.

"A pleasure to meet you."

He then began to speak again in English.

"But let us get to business. What amendments would you give this proposal?"

Cid Tranas listened carefully to each delegate, and read the copy provided to him. He mulled his response over in his head, and decided on a couple of trains of thought.

He then spoke.

"I agree with most of the clauses and points provided in this 'Serya Plan' but I feel I need to raise two points."

He took a sip of water before continuing.

"First point would be what actions is to be taken if a LEAF member attacks or interferes with another LEAF member. What if the attacker has very good reasons to attack the other LEAF member, such as if the attacked LEAF member is found to sponsor terrorism aganist the attacking LEAF member? Or another situation like genocide?"

He waited a few more seconds, and took another sip of water.

"The second point is the defense of LEAF allies. We need clarification on what LEAF can do in such situations. Will LEAF members be allowed to sink the invading fleet in international waters? Will they share POW's? What roles will they aid or do in defensive warfare?"

Cid leaned back and awaited the forthcoming debate.

He smiled and replied in Arabic.

"A pleasure to meet you."

He then began to speak again in English.

"But let us get to business. What amendments would you give this proposal?"
"The Amendment to reject aid or agreed aid! She reply

He nodded, but was distracted by the other man. He replied.

"If there is sufficient evidence against the fellow member, I propose that a vote be put through the council, as that would seem most suitable.

As for your second statement, I believe that should be resolved personally between the two specified nations."

He nodded, but was distracted by the other man. He replied.

"If there is sufficient evidence against the fellow member, I propose that a vote be put through the council, as that would seem most suitable.

As for your second statement, I believe that should be resolved personally between the two specified nations."

The Wirrawayan delegate Chester Brown left his recliner to respond, "As we all saw in the Decisive Action incident in NATO, a vote has limited power, if the need arises could approriate millitary action be taken against the offending nation if neccesary?" he directed his question at the Delegate from the Napoleonic Empire

The Wirrawayan delegate Chester Brown left his recliner to respond, "As we all saw in the Decisive Action incident in NATO, a vote has limited power, if the need arises could approriate millitary action be taken against the offending nation if neccesary?" he directed his question at the Delegate from the Napoleonic Empire
He looked calmly at Mr. Brown.

"Of course, if the nation is not of LEAF and attacks us directly, there should be no vote, no question. If you are directing this at my second statement, I meant that we should all help each other, yes, but the nation receiving such aid should decide what sort of aid they receive, as my colleuge Dr. Umayyad had mentioned.

If you mean if a LEAF nation is at fault, the vote is neccescary, as we should not run around pointing fingers like children."

Seems good to me but combat seems skethcy. What if im attacked by nation a. Would LEAF only counter them or once countered will they go to hit Nation A at home.

Seems good to me but combat seems skethcy. What if im attacked by nation a. Would LEAF only counter them or once countered will they go to hit Nation A at home.
"As I said, this should be worked out between individual nations."

Seems good to me but combat seems skethcy. What if im attacked by nation a. Would LEAF only counter them or once countered will they go to hit Nation A at home.

Chester Brown responded

" I believe that we must put it to a 2/3 vote of the member nations as to whether to just parry the blow or strike at home. I personally feel that if a nation is deemed to be a contuining threat and has a track record of violence that it must be destroyed for the greater good and the safety of the members of LEAF."

Chester Brown responded

" I believe that we must put it to a 2/3 vote of the member nations as to whether to just parry the blow or strike at home. I personally feel that if a nation is deemed to be a contuining threat and has a track record of violence that it must be destroyed for the greater good and the safety of the members of LEAF."
"Yes, this may be done in certain circumstances. However, I believe that unless it is perceived as a major threat that nations be allowed to do as they wish, even without LEAF support. However, if the resolution passes, we must all comply. A sound idea."

Lawrence walked into the room, shown to him by a guard or valet of some sort. Flanked by his assistant and subordinate Matthew, and followed by staff members, they entered shocked to see what was going on. He looked over to Matthew, smiled and said softly "I thought this was a conferance." Matt, still shocked just nodded his head. Lawrence continued "Let us proceede."

They entered the room in Imperial fashion, barely noticing other nation's delegates. With the exception of prior allies. The quick nods and pleasantries were with record pace as the tardy men sat down in the center of the room. They looked around, and Lawrence introduced himself to the other delegates around him...

"Hello," he said to his left and right "I am Lawrence, Duke Hollistein, Lord of the Foreign Ministry in Newtdom. It is a pleasure to meet all of you." He extended his hand to shake or kiss each delegate's hand around him.

I suppose. At the end we should have it all put up. Who isnt here yet?

"Hello," he said to his left and right "I am Lawrence, Duke Hollistein, Lord of the Foreign Ministry in Newtdom. It is a pleasure to meet all of you." He extended his hand to shake or kiss each delegate's hand around him.
Just looking at Lawrence, Locke coldly replied.

"I'm sorry, but we are in the middle of a debate, unless you have anything constructive to say, I suggest you just sit down and be quiet while we talk about more important topics."

"Yes, this may be done in certain circumstances. However, I believe that unless it is perceived as a major threat that nations be allowed to do as they wish, even without LEAF support. However, if the resolution passes, we must all comply. A sound idea."

"Of course, that course of action would only be used in the most extreme circumstances, the destruction of an entire nation is not trifling matter. Thank you for your support."

Chester sat down and took another sip of his Bloody Mary as he waited for more ideas to be thrown out into the conference.

He grinned politely, and said "Well thats just grand, perhaps you would have the courtesy to inform me." He looked over to his subordinate and gave a grim smile.

He grinned politely, and said "Well thats just grand, perhaps you would have the courtesy to inform me." He looked over to his subordinate and gave a grim smile.
"It is on war. Mr. Brown had suggested that resolutions be passed for action against the actual territories of an offending nation in special circumstances, rather than leaving it to the choice of a single nation."

He nodded and said "In the case of an invading power, I would agree. If one member is attacked, our duty as a member of this alliance would be to come to her aid. Though, I do have thoughts on once the said invasion was over, and if more lands were gained, I personally believe it would be best to leave that as neutral, LEAF controlled territory. If that applies of course...Though surely that has nothing to do with declaring war, for imperial gains, does it?"

He nodded and said "In the case of an invading power, I would agree. If one member is attacked, our duty as a member of this alliance would be to come to her aid. Though, I do have thoughts on once the said invasion was over, and if more lands were gained, I personally believe it would be best to leave that as neutral, LEAF controlled territory. If that applies of course...Though surely that has nothing to do with declaring war, for imperial gains, does it?"
"I disagree. We should make resolutions through the council based on the actions of each person in LEAF and their accomplishments in the war. The council will decide who gets the divided land, unless one of us was invading for solely imperialistic reasons."

"But with regards to declaring war, I feel, as does my nation, that the said war would be left up to the nation declaring it as to have the alliance intervene. Personally, I feel that in the event of a foreign invasion, and in that alone, should our alliance come to the defense or offense in a war. With of course, the council agreeing to it. As I had stated, any winnings in a war where the entire, or large force from the alliance is used, the most fair manner of splitting the land would be to keep it a neutral alliance controlled area. As that would not greatly anger any nation."

"But with regards to declaring war, I feel, as does my nation, that the said war would be left up to the nation declaring it as to have the alliance intervene. Personally, I feel that in the event of a foreign invasion, and in that alone, should our alliance come to the defense or offense in a war. With of course, the council agreeing to it. As I had stated, any winnings in a war where the entire, or large force from the alliance is used, the most fair manner of splitting the land would be to keep it a neutral alliance controlled area. As that would not greatly anger any nation."
"After your arguments, I concur. That would seem to be the most fair and wise thing to do in that situation.'

He smiled, nodded, looked to his subordinate and said "Write that down, and make sure its put on the agenda." Matthew scribbled down the notes on a tablet laptop as Lawrence asked "Has anything been decided on an alliance defense force?"

This is going well but i would like to repeat myself, do we know who has yet to show up at this meeting?

This is going well but i would like to repeat myself, do we know who has yet to show up at this meeting?
"I'm not sure, nor do I care."

Locke sat up a little and looked to Lawrence.

"I find a defense force unneccescary. We can appojnt peacekeepers for single operations, but I don't think an official peacekeeping force is unneccescary."

Faran grinned. He depressed a button, and well-hidden speakers enhanced the words "Delegates, may I have your attention?"
He released the button and the speakers turned off. "Because we all seem to be very interested in discussing the merits of this plan, I am pleased to announce that formal discussions are beginning now.
In any case, to address the chief concerns that I've heard so far... In any action between LEAF members, the defender would be the one deserving of protection. If the defender was attempting to act against the nation which appears to be the aggressor, surely the nation that appears to be the defender was actually the aggressor.
"The question of international waters is a good one, one we have not answered. Suffice to say we know only that we will not help one nation attack another nation, only defend itself."

Cid nodded and stood up for attention. He motioned towards the Seryown delegate.

"I believe if the invaders are launching bombers and fighters off aircraft carriers in international waters, shouldn't we as the LEAF alliance, sink or disable these aircraft carriers?

What of missile cruisers? Or missile submarines? International waters begin 12 kilometers off an nation's coast if my memory serves me correctly. The invader can sit his entire fleet in international waters and assault the defender with ordiance and aircraft that has ranges in the hundreds or thousands of kilometers.

I feel that we have a duty to aid the defender to destroy those offensive capabilities of the invader navy, so that it cannot harrass or cause additional damage and death upon the defenders via their long range weaponary."

Cid took another sip of water. His throat was becoming slightly dry.

"As for LEAF nations attacking other LEAF members. I do agree that the defender should be backed with the LEAF support, and the attacker is sternly warned. If the attacker persists, or engages in another war with other LEAF members, the attacker is then to be kicked out of the LEAF alliance.

However, the attacker should be allowed to present his case. What if the defenders are guilty of harboring and supporting terrorists who launch attacks on the attacking nation, which results in the attacking nation trying to destroy and disable the terrorist organizations and support in the defending nation?

Again, I stress that the LEAF alliance should provide a fair hearing for the attacker, and allow him or her to present the case with sufficient, believable, and reasonable evidence."

Cid sat back down and finished his glass of water. He motioned for another refill.

The USSCR Foreign Minister withdrew a Cohiba Esplendido cigar from inside his coat, carefully withdrawing a butane lighter with which to light it. Emblazoned upon the steel lighter was a blue star; a symbol of the new government which has taken footing in the USSCR, Commu-capitalism. The pursuit of international wealth to distribute evenly domestically. The Foreign Minister glanced at the proposed charter, "Rubbish. Might as well call this the Ambiguous Alliance. We need to SHOCK the people. We need to make STRONG statements. Apolitically, this is difficult. But not impossible."

Cid nodded and stood up for attention. He motioned towards the Seryown delegate.

"I believe if the invaders are launching bombers and fighters off aircraft carriers in international waters, shouldn't we as the LEAF alliance, sink or disable these aircraft carriers?

What of missile cruisers? Or missile submarines? International waters begin 12 kilometers off an nation's coast if my memory serves me correctly. The invader can sit his entire fleet in international waters and assault the defender with ordiance and aircraft that has ranges in the hundreds or thousands of kilometers.

I feel that we have a duty to aid the defender to destroy those offensive capabilities of the invader navy, so that it cannot harrass or cause additional damage and death upon the defenders via their long range weaponary."

Cid took another sip of water. His throat was becoming slightly dry.

"As for LEAF nations attacking other LEAF members. I do agree that the defender should be backed with the LEAF support, and the attacker is sternly warned. If the attacker persists, or engages in another war with other LEAF members, the attacker is then to be kicked out of the LEAF alliance.

However, the attacker should be allowed to present his case. What if the defenders are guilty of harboring and supporting terrorists who launch attacks on the attacking nation, which results in the attacking nation trying to destroy and disable the terrorist organizations and support in the defending nation?

Again, I stress that the LEAF alliance should provide a fair hearing for the attacker, and allow him or her to present the case with sufficient, believable, and reasonable evidence."

Cid sat back down and finished his glass of water. He motioned for another refill.

I quite agree. Any and all aircraft or long range weapons capable or currently assaulting the defending nation need to be destroyed.

I quite agree. Any and all aircraft or long range weapons capable or currently assaulting the defending nation need to be destroyed.
"Couldn't this be resolved peacefully through a No-Fly zone? If violated, then we can rain judgement on their heads, but this is a more simple solution."

He then looked to the Minister.

"Hm, what you say, is interesting, I would like a second opinion on the subject however."

"Couldn't this be resolved peacefully through a No-Fly zone? If violated, then we can rain judgement on their heads, but this is a more simple solution."

He then looked to the Minister.

"Hm, what you say, is interesting, I would like a second opinion on the subject however."

I suppose but then we are becoming like the U.N. ANd no one listens to them. Our right to protect our member nations would go challenged. If we do so then I would like to know that we WILL take action against these craft.

I suppose but then we are becoming like the U.N. ANd no one listens to them. Our right to protect our member nations would go challenged. If we do so then I would like to know that we WILL take action against these craft.
"A No-Fly zone would be easier for both nations, as it does not cripple one's ability to defend themselves against the imperialistic desires of another nation. If they express intentions openly about using those weapons, or have already done so, then we may take action, but we still must respect a nation's ability to defend themselves against unjust causes."

Foreign Relations Minister Souan sat up in his chair. "Modern Texas is a peaceful nation and does not want war. However, on the issue of aggressor nations using international waters as a staging point to launch assaults on LEAF members, well, we will simply not tolerate such actions." He put down his cigarette and looked around the room.

"No aggressor should be able to hide from us behind the banner of 'international waters.' I believe that within a defensive action, LEAF has every authority to neutralize any imminent threat in international waters. Caution must be used, of course, and our reasoning must be sound, but action should always be an option."

Foreign Relations Minister Souan sat up in his chair. "Modern Texas is a peaceful nation and does not want war. However, on the issue of aggressor nations using international waters as a staging point to launch assaults on LEAF members, well, we will simply not tolerate such actions." He put down his cigarette and looked around the room.

"No aggressor should be able to hide from us behind the banner of 'international waters.' I believe that within a defensive action, LEAF has every authority to neutralize any imminent threat in international waters. Caution must be used, of course, and our reasoning must be sound, but action should always be an option."

That sounds quite good but let me remind you, action should be high on the list. Diplomacy fails most times and there is much else. If anyone is planning or using international waters they should immediatly be taken care of and defenses put in order to preapre for other attacks form them. If seen fit they should be removed. THis seems to have been stated and implied in chunks so im basically summarizing.

Foreign Relations Minister Souan sat up in his chair. "Modern Texas is a peaceful nation and does not want war. However, on the issue of aggressor nations using international waters as a staging point to launch assaults on LEAF members, well, we will simply not tolerate such actions." He put down his cigarette and looked around the room.

"No aggressor should be able to hide from us behind the banner of 'international waters.' I believe that within a defensive action, LEAF has every authority to neutralize any imminent threat in international waters. Caution must be used, of course, and our reasoning must be sound, but action should always be an option."

Faran nodded. "I quite agree. Any attacking force must be stopped, regardless of its location. As for these No-Fly zones...I can't say I agree. We only allow them extra bombing raids before we retaliate."

Faran nodded. "I quite agree. Any attacking force must be stopped, regardless of its location. As for these No-Fly zones...I can't say I agree. We only allow them extra bombing raids before we retaliate."

Dr. Platenkov eyed the room to make sure no one else was preparing to stand. He gently tapped his Cohiba Esplendido on the ash try provided to him before standing, "Gentlemen, the solution I have in mind is a both an excellent security measure, a safeguard for loopholes dealing with so-called 'international waters,' and a way to boost shipping efficiency."

He gazed about at the room, wondering just how strong this alliance would be.

"Extend your country's claim to approximately 40 km off of your shore and establish electronic shipping lanes utilizing satellite and laser technology. The benefits? Firstly, you can claim the extension of your claim on the shipping industry. This will mean any ships going through your territory can be taxed, boarded, etc."

The Foreign Minister took a puff off his cigar.

"Furthermore, your naval assets will be obliged due to the fact that 'surface traffic,' at least large ships, will be confined to certain lanes. It also makes defense of your waters a dream. If you KNOW that ships are supposed to go in a certain lane, then it is quite easy to mine everywhere there isn't one."

He wondered if his plan would be taken seriously, but it would probably be put in effect in the USSCR anyways.

"The extended borders means foreign fleets would have to park farther out, and if they came as a "Trojan Horse" you could easily force them to a cluttered location where they could be easily eliminated. That is my point on the matter, and I still want to see this charter improved before we discuss such small matters."

Dr. Platenkov sat down and began puffing on his cigar once more.

Dr. Platenkov eyed the room to make sure no one else was preparing to stand. He gently tapped his Cohiba Esplendido on the ash try provided to him before standing, "Gentlemen, the solution I have in mind is a both an excellent security measure, a safeguard for loopholes dealing with so-called 'international waters,' and a way to boost shipping efficiency."

He gazed about at the room, wondering just how strong this alliance would be.

"Extend your country's claim to approximately 40 km off of your shore and establish electronic shipping lanes utilizing satellite and laser technology. The benefits? Firstly, you can claim the extension of your claim on the shipping industry. This will mean any ships going through your territory can be taxed, boarded, etc."

The Foreign Minister took a puff off his cigar.

"Furthermore, your naval assets will be obliged due to the fact that 'surface traffic,' at least large ships, will be confined to certain lanes. It also makes defense of your waters a dream. If you KNOW that ships are supposed to go in a certain lane, then it is quite easy to mine everywhere there isn't one."

He wondered if his plan would be taken seriously, but it would probably be put in effect in the USSCR anyways.

"The extended borders means foreign fleets would have to park farther out, and if they came as a "Trojan Horse" you could easily force them to a cluttered location where they could be easily eliminated. That is my point on the matter, and I still want to see this charter improved before we discuss such small matters."

Dr. Platenkov sat down and began puffing on his cigar once more.

This is quite confusing but if i understaqnd what it is suggesting......it is next to brilliant. Although my waters extend a far way due to the massive sea wall protecting them i would suggest all nations put this into effect. My nation does allow trading vessels and allied ships to come it but the lanes is quite smart. I doubt i will mine my waters due to the fact several of my ships may sink this way but the lanes would keep ships were they're supposed to and the Trojan horses wouldn't be able to reach shore, depending on their cargo. But it raises a question in my mind. What if a ship was operating out of a neighboring countries waters, known by the country. Would action be taken againt the country harboring the enemies ship?

Yes, I'm sorry for my confusing speech.... I tend to be wordy.

However, you get the jist of it. Regarding an ally's port harboring enemies........One must have a very, very close relationship with neighboring countries to prevent just this.

Yes, I'm sorry for my confusing speech.... I tend to be wordy.

However, you get the jist of it. Regarding an ally's port harboring enemies........One must have a very, very close relationship with neighboring countries to prevent just this.

I almost do. I dont know who is to the north.

OOC: BUMP......Mostly to get someone to notice that we still don't yet have an agreed-upon charter.

ooc: I'm very aware of that - but I still have seen no glaring holes in my charter - people are just arguing over absolutely nothing - pointing out things and then having everyone else agree with them because the word "defense" doesn't mean anything to them.

The USSCR Foreign Minister withdrew a Cohiba Esplendido cigar from inside his coat, carefully withdrawing a butane lighter with which to light it. Emblazoned upon the steel lighter was a blue star; a symbol of the new government which has taken footing in the USSCR, Commu-capitalism. The pursuit of international wealth to distribute evenly domestically. The Foreign Minister glanced at the proposed charter, "Rubbish. Might as well call this the Ambiguous Alliance. We need to SHOCK the people. We need to make STRONG statements. Apolitically, this is difficult. But not impossible."

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"I side with CR,We must show that we willing to use force to back our words..but I am incline to agreed an Apolitically Alliance will be hard to manger."said Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad
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"I side with CR,We must show that we willing to use force to back our words..but I am incline to agreed an Apolitically Alliance will be hard to manger."said Foreign Minister Dr. Alice al Bin Umayyad
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Faran shook his head. "We don't need to show anything. If anyone ever gets invaded, we will show them our might with soldiers from a score of nations, besieging and aniihilating their own. That will be how we show we will use force - by using force. But it is not at all impossible or even hard to have an apolitical alliance; because this is not an offensive alliance in any way, we needn't have methods to determine which nations we like and which we don't; and defending a nation does not require political views."

That does sound true. But as of the charter i see no major issues with it.

Locke thought for a moment.

"So, all this alliance is for is economic and defensive purposes? If so, I see there is a slight problem, mainly with Free Trade. This normally in our country is outlawed, we have tariffs to protect our own industries on products and services we can provide ourselves. We do not want outsourcing problems to affect our workforce. But we will not tariff exports, so people can benefit from our goods, just we will not take in many goods from others. I believe this will be acceptable.

As for the rest of the charter, I have no problem with us being a more passive nation. Those seeking and offensive and "shocking" nation should look elsewhere. We really don't have much in the actual charter to debate, maybe its time to move onto other business?"

After ho-humming a bit after searching for a glass of Vodka, Dr. Platenkov stood once more.

"Gentlemen, you misunderstand me. I do not ask for a warmongering and violent alliance. I do not ask for even a "Ready" alliance. What I ask for is that we do not sit on our heels and wait until somebody is attacked... No, we must organize our charter in a manner which promotes vigorous discussion and debate. We can be a in International force, even apolitically. And from what comrade Locke has stated, we recognize the alliance as stated is flawed. We need to change our charter, at LEAST in that respect.

Platenkov sat once more.

After ho-humming a bit after searching for a glass of Vodka, Dr. Platenkov stood once more.

"Gentlemen, you misunderstand me. I do not ask for a warmongering and violent alliance. I do not ask for even a "Ready" alliance. What I ask for is that we do not sit on our heels and wait until somebody is attacked... No, we must organize our charter in a manner which promotes vigorous discussion and debate. We can be a in International force, even apolitically. And from what comrade Locke has stated, we recognize the alliance as stated is flawed. We need to change our charter, at LEAST in that respect.

Platenkov sat once more.

Faran shook his head. "I'm afraid I do not believe this nation should take steps preemptive to an attack. If a nation wants to mount a serious attack on any nation, it will require time to gather forces. During that time, we can see the situation developing and we can defend accordingly."

After ho-humming a bit after searching for a glass of Vodka, Dr. Platenkov stood once more.

"Gentlemen, you misunderstand me. I do not ask for a warmongering and violent alliance. I do not ask for even a "Ready" alliance. What I ask for is that we do not sit on our heels and wait until somebody is attacked... No, we must organize our charter in a manner which promotes vigorous discussion and debate. We can be a in International force, even apolitically. And from what comrade Locke has stated, we recognize the alliance as stated is flawed. We need to change our charter, at LEAST in that respect.

Platenkov sat once more.

He seems right in the instance that sitting on our heels and waiting to be attacked is not an option.

Faran shook his head. "I'm afraid I do not believe this nation should take steps preemptive to an attack. If a nation wants to mount a serious attack on any nation, it will require time to gather forces. During that time, we can see the situation developing and we can defend accordingly."

Once again, you assume that I speak only of battle. There is other things besides invasion that we must be attentive of.

Once again, you assume that I speak only of battle. There is other things besides invasion that we must be attentive of.

Faran shook his head, confused. He composed his thoughts, then spoke. "I'm afraid I don't understand you at all, then. The purpose of this alliance is mutual defense. You speak of war, but not of battle?"

I too am beginning to be quite confused in your logics. Please clarify more.

OOC: Who?

OOC: You. Im so confused i dont even know what im talkin about anymore.

It is in my opinion that this alliance is, while apolitical, lacking any and all substance. We want mutual defense and free trade. Big deal, I could sign that deal with many, many nations. We need something about this alliance that makes us unique and gives us some degree of International recognition.

It is in my opinion that this alliance is, while apolitical, lacking any and all substance. We want mutual defense and free trade. Big deal, I could sign that deal with many, many nations. We need something about this alliance that makes us unique and gives us some degree of International recognition.

THAT MAKES SENSE! He is completly right there. WHat sets this alliance apart form any other one? MOre allies, great, but more of a chance your allies will clash. What makes this one so good?

THAT MAKES SENSE! He is completly right there. WHat sets this alliance apart form any other one? MOre allies, great, but more of a chance your allies will clash. What makes this one so good?

That's very simple. The nature of this alliance is that it doesn't judge based on purpose or intentions - it is simply a defense pact. Because we would all surely have differing versions of what's right and what's wrong, we'll avoid those moral arguments and simply protect each other against attack.
If you wanted something more, join another alliance - but join this one as well, because it will give you protection.

I suppose we will stay. HTe mnore allies the better, although our will clash sometimes soon.

That's very simple. The nature of this alliance is that it doesn't judge based on purpose or intentions - it is simply a defense pact. Because we would all surely have differing versions of what's right and what's wrong, we'll avoid those moral arguments and simply protect each other against attack.
If you wanted something more, join another alliance - but join this one as well, because it will give you protection.

So just defensive help and trade. Not bad but not great.