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The Dominion of Muru has, after some riots by religous protesters, ruled that religion, quote.

...intefers with good judgement and sciencetific devlopment. It is also the cause of unrest and incorrect moral judgement.

Religion was invented back when we didn't know how the world worked, well we know now, so it's time for the imanginary friends to go.

The Emperor has decreed that all religion organized on higher then a local level is illegal, and the right to assemble peaceably for the purposes of religion is herby suspended. The goverment now holds the right to censor any and all religion publication, and is altering school textbooks to show religion as an outdated belief system. Anyone who wishes to leave the country because of these new laws is offered the chance to do so.

I office of statisticians has calcualated that approximtly 400,000 people will leave the country. Muru is looking for another country willing to accecpt these people.

FOX NEWS BREAK: "This is Sam Slade here in beutifull Muru, where it has been anouced that religioun is now illigall. In other news The Happy Priests Of Gali have annouced that they will be sending piligrams to try and change the goverments minds on this issue. We here at Fox wish them luck"(Giggles insure hehe "happy" priest) We now return you to you regurley scheduled program Bigtopians say the Darndest Things.

OCC:sorry about the mispelld words

OOC: I feel the same way in real life, I believe in evolution, but I'm not against other religions, I have the right to believe in evolution, so other's have the righto to be a christian, or jewish, or whatever they mey wish.

The Dominion of Muru has, after some riots by religous protesters, ruled that religion, quote.

Religion was invented back when we didn't know how the world worked, well we know now, so it's time for the imanginary friends to go.

The Emperor has decreed that all religion organized on higher then a local level is illegal, and the right to assemble peaceably for the purposes of religion is herby suspended. The goverment now holds the right to censor any and all religion publication, and is altering school textbooks to show religion as an outdated belief system. Anyone who wishes to leave the country because of these new laws is offered the chance to do so.

I office of statisticians has calcualated that approximtly 400,000 people will leave the country. Muru is looking for another country willing to accecpt these people.


Sirs -

Although the Armed Republic of Surginia does not agree with your standpoint, we are relieved to see you offer the dissenters the opportunity to leave the country to continue practicing their beliefs, as opposed to "removing" religion from your country through harrassment or violent acts (including genocide, as has been practiced by other nations in the past).

The Armed Republic of Surginia cannot and will not attempt to accommodate the estimated 400,000 - or any other large number - of refugees. However, our government will extend an offer to assist in humanitarian aid for the said refugees. The amount and specific types and services contained under the broad generalization of "humanitarian aid" will be decided solely by Surginia, but input from the housing nation will be considered. Aid funding provided by Surginia will be audited, and will not be seen as a debt to be paid back to us. Additionally, Surginia will not bear the entire brunt of humanitarian aid; we are extending this offer as to help "on-the-fence" nations who may be reluctant to take in the former Muru citizens solely because of financial concerns. This offer is only extended to decent, morally/ethically aware, UN law-abiding nations that allow citizens freedom of religion.

It is Surginia's hope that this situation will be resolved quickly - before mass confusion and other conceivable negative results begin to surface. We urge other peaceful, religiously free nations to join us in offering assistance to the "Religious Refugees" of Muru.

Respectfully -

C.A. Briley
Director of Combined Human Services,
Armed Republic of Surginia

Nianacio condemns these actions, but thanks Muru for abstaining from violent actions. People emigrating from Muru would be welcomed in Nianacio.

The holy empire of Chatamaran is willing 2 accept your Catholic refugees but let it be known that we do not condone your choices of outlawing religion


IN CHATAMARAN

Step up men we have a possible deployment. Maru i believe its called nothin for sure yet-Said Captin Lewis of the SAS

The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem officially condemnds the rogue government of Muru. We hearby demand that within 24 hours all laws banning Catholicism be repealed. If not repealed the Imperial Empire will inact measures to force your government to repeal the laws.

Sirs -

Although the Armed Republic of Surginia does not agree with your standpoint, we are relieved to see you offer the dissenters the opportunity to leave the country to continue practicing their beliefs, as opposed to "removing" religion from your country through harrassment or violent acts (including genocide, as has been practiced by other nations in the past).

The Armed Republic of Surginia cannot and will not attempt to accommodate the estimated 400,000 - or any other large number - of refugees. However, our government will extend an offer to assist in humanitarian aid for the said refugees. The amount and specific types and services contained under the broad generalization of "humanitarian aid" will be decided solely by Surginia, but input from the housing nation will be considered. Aid funding provided by Surginia will be audited, and will not be seen as a debt to be paid back to us. Additionally, Surginia will not bear the entire brunt of humanitarian aid; we are extending this offer as to help "on-the-fence" nations who may be reluctant to take in the former Muru citizens solely because of financial concerns. This offer is only extended to decent, morally/ethically aware, UN law-abiding nations that allow citizens freedom of religion.

It is Surginia's hope that this situation will be resolved quickly - before mass confusion and other conceivable negative results begin to surface. We urge other peaceful, religiously free nations to join us in offering assistance to the "Religious Refugees" of Muru.

Respectfully -

C.A. Briley
Director of Combined Human Services,
Armed Republic of Surginia


We thank you for your aid, and assure you that our goal is meerly to ensure the smoother running of the country, not to wipe out religion or comit genocide.

Nianacio condemns these actions, but thanks Muru for abstaining from violent actions. People emigrating from Muru would be welcomed in Nianacio.

The holy empire of Chatamaran is willing 2 accept your Catholic refugees but let it be known that we do not condone your choices of outlawing religion


IN CHATAMARAN

Step up men we have a possible deployment. Maru i believe its called nothin for sure yet-Said Captin Lewis of the SAS

We accecpt the gracious offer of the nation of Nianacio. Thank you. The refugess will began arriving as soon as you are ready.

The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem officially condemnds the rogue government of Muru. We hearby demand that within 24 hours all laws banning Catholicism be repealed. If not repealed the Imperial Empire will inact measures to force your government to repeal the laws.

We have comitted no human rights abuses, and have not harmed a single citizen. If it is your intent to go to war for purely self-serving reasons because you do not like out world view, our heavy-armored devisions request that you "bring it."

The Dragons Claw also condemns these actions, but is willing to open our doors to your refugees. We are ready to recieve them.

The Dragons Claw also condemns these actions, but is willing to open our doors to your refugees. We are ready to recieve them.

Thank you, we do not intend to force the refugess to go to one country or another. So you many expect some to begin arriving soon.

A statement released from the office of Damog Atenkruf, Fure Calere of the Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia:

"The Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia condemns the human rights violations made by the Dominion of Muru, in particular the violations to their citizens' inalienable rights to freedom of conscience and freedom of association. We would also like to reiterate our long standing policy of welcoming refugees from any nation, and that this nation especially welcomes those fleeing religious persecution. Ytovia itself was founded, in large part, by refugees fleeing bigotted fundamentalist oppressors, such as the government of Muru, and we are compelled to help when others are similarly suffering.

The Dominon of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia also wishes to advise the Muru government it is not wise for a nation of six million to go around telling other nations to 'bring it'. This nation has no intention of taking Muru up on its offer, but another nation of 1 billion+ may."

The Holy Imperial Empire of Belem officially condemnds the rogue government of Muru. We hearby demand that within 24 hours all laws banning Catholicism be repealed. If not repealed the Imperial Empire will inact measures to force your government to repeal the laws.


Euroslavia suggests that Belem not meddle with other nations internal affairs, and withdraw its demand that Catholicism be instituted. Euroslavia itself is a religious country, but we do reserve the right for our citizens to choose whichever religion they would like to affiliate with. We do not force a specific religion on our people, let alone the people of other nations. You have no right in ordering a sovereign nation into changing its beliefs because of your specific beliefs, and will defend Muru if you attempt to use force against them.

We have comitted no human rights abuses, and have not harmed a single citizen. If it is your intent to go to war for purely self-serving reasons because you do not like out world view, our heavy-armored devisions request that you "bring it."

The Empire advises you not to be so antagonistic. The offer still stands remove the laws outlawing Catholicism and nothing will happen. Keep the laws in place and something will happen.

Euroslavia suggests that Belem not meddle with other nations internal affairs, and withdraw its demand that Catholicism be instituted. Euroslavia itself is a religious country, but we do reserve the right for our citizens to choose whichever religion they would like to affiliate with. We do not force a specific religion on our people, let alone the people of other nations. You have no right in ordering a sovereign nation into changing its beliefs because of your specific beliefs, and will defend Muru if you attempt to use force against them.


We havent made any demands that Catholicism be instituted we just demanded that it be made a legal religion. They are violating the rights of the Catholics in the nation by forcibly deporting them or denying them there religion.

/ic/
The government of Arizona Nova condemns the actions of the sovereign nation of Muru, and religious organizations across the Empire are pushing for a boycott of any goods coming from Muru.
But, the Empire is also condemning the veiled threats of the nation of Belem. While there is certainly a level of abuse through forced extraction of religious persons, and Catholics (to note, I am a Catholic, and not a liberal one), on the grounds of a "riot," threatening to do "something" nasty is a tactic oft used by the heathens. I remember very well the HSoC Incident, when a nation called "the HolySee of Catholicism" was brutally firebombed simply for seeking an alliance with other like-minded Catholic nations (see the sad, sordid tale here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=341242&page=10&pp=15)). We fear that Belem may be attacked by anti-religious fanatics if it should take action against Muru, and at worst spark a new wave of anti-Catholic persuections.

Euroslavia suggests that Belem not meddle with other nations internal affairs, and withdraw its demand that Catholicism be instituted. Euroslavia itself is a religious country, but we do reserve the right for our citizens to choose whichever religion they would like to affiliate with. We do not force a specific religion on our people, let alone the people of other nations. You have no right in ordering a sovereign nation into changing its beliefs because of your specific beliefs, and will defend Muru if you attempt to use force against them.


Surginia agrees with Euroslavia's stance, and supports Muru's decision. Contrary to Belem's belief, Muru has not forcibly deported its Catholic citizens, or any other faith group for that matter. Surginia does not condone - quite the contrary, as we condemn - the government's act of "outlawing" religion, but Muru's committment to human rights and freewill refugee policy continues to be applauded. We do not intend on forcing our belief systems or policies regarding social and faith-based matters on the nation of Muru as long as its citizens are kept out of harm's way. Surginia, too, believes that other nations have no right to order "a sovereign nation into changing its beliefs to match" the aggressive country's own. Additionally, should any nation use military force, terrorism, or other violence against Muru regarding this issue, like Euroslavia, the Armed Republic of Surginia will aid in Muru's defense as long as human rights laws continue to be observed.

C.A. Briley
Director of Combined Human Services,
Armed Republic of Surginia

A statement released from the office of Damog Atenkruf, Fure Calere of the Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia:

"The Dominion of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia condemns the human rights violations made by the Dominion of Muru, in particular the violations to their citizens' inalienable rights to freedom of conscience and freedom of association. We would also like to reiterate our long standing policy of welcoming refugees from any nation, and that this nation especially welcomes those fleeing religious persecution. Ytovia itself was founded, in large part, by refugees fleeing bigotted fundamentalist oppressors, such as the government of Muru, and we are compelled to help when others are similarly suffering.

The Dominon of Upper Cet Kola Ytovia also wishes to advise the Muru government it is not wise for a nation of six million to go around telling other nations to 'bring it'. This nation has no intention of taking Muru up on its offer, but another nation of 1 billion+ may."

Duley noted, and while i comment of "bring it" may have been overconfident, we just wished to assert that fact that we will not be intimidated by threats.

The Empire advises you not to be so antagonistic. The offer still stands remove the laws outlawing Catholicism and nothing will happen. Keep the laws in place and something will happen.

It is our sencere hope that war is not needed, but we will not be intimidated by threats.

[OOC: just a side-note, but from his post it would seem that Muru's law would make the Catholic Church, but not Catholicism, illegal. Since "all religion organised on a higher than local level" is banned, that would affect the church, but not individual Catholics. Similarly, i see nothing in "the right to assemble peacebly for the purpose of religion is hereby suspended" to prevent a Catholic from praying in the privacy of his own home. Of course, Catholics may well think they need to be able to pray in a church and have bishops, in which case it would appear the Muru government will help them find asyleum; of course, i may have simply misinterpreted his post. ]

Surginia agrees with Euroslavia's stance, and supports Muru's decision. Contrary to Belem's belief, Muru has not forcibly deported its Catholic citizens, or any other faith group for that matter. Surginia does not condone - quite the contrary, as we condemn - the government's act of "outlawing" religion, but Muru's committment to human rights and freewill refugee policy continues to be applauded. We do not intend on forcing our belief systems or policies regarding social and faith-based matters on the nation of Muru as long as its citizens are kept out of harm's way. Surginia, too, believes that other nations have no right to order "a sovereign nation into changing its beliefs to match" the aggressive country's own. Additionally, should any nation use military force, terrorism, or other violence against Muru regarding this issue, like Euroslavia, the Armed Republic of Surginia will aid in Muru's defense as long as human rights laws continue to be observed.

C.A. Briley
Director of Combined Human Services,
Armed Republic of Surginia

We thank you deeply for this support, and assure you that all human rights laws will continue to be met.

[OOC: just a side-note, but from his post it would seem that Muru's law would make the Catholic Church, but not Catholicism, illegal. Since "all religion organised on a higher than local level" is banned, that would affect the church, but not individual Catholics. Similarly, i see nothing in "the right to assemble peacebly for the purpose of religion is hereby suspended" to prevent a Catholic from praying in the privacy of his own home. Of course, Catholics may well think they need to be able to pray in a church and have bishops, in which case it would appear the Muru government will help them find asyleum; of course, i may have simply misinterpreted his post. ]

OOC: Basicly my point was, i really don't care what you do in the privacy of your own home. But it STAYS in your own home. No churches. No relgions publications. No bishops.

The Dominion of Muru has, after some riots by religous protesters, ruled that religion, quote.

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I office of statisticians has calcualated that approximtly 400,000 people will leave the country. Muru is looking for another country willing to accecpt these people.

Ouch well do not worry we at: The Forgotten Holy Realm have open arms for you guys

just send me a pm to i give you the pwd.

good day futur neighbor

Furthermore, Emperor Anithraldur would like to note that such measures as Muru is taking are usually the beginning of more brutal and barbaric oppressions.
Also, Anithraldur is curious, does this ban include Unitarians, and other liberal demoninations that do not take religion literally? It would be most unfair if the nation of Muru banned conservative groups and gave liberal ones a pass, and Arizona Nova would certainly enact boycotts, sanctions, and what have you if this is the case.
~Emperor Anithraldur

Furthermore, Emperor Anithraldur would like to note that such measures as Muru is taking are usually the beginning of more brutal and barbaric oppressions.
Also, Anithraldur is curious, does this ban include Unitarians, and other liberal demoninations that do not take religion literally? It would be most unfair if the nation of Muru banned conservative groups and gave liberal ones a pass, and Arizona Nova would certainly enact boycotts, sanctions, and what have you if this is the case.
~Emperor Anithraldur

It's religion. Peroid.

[OOC: ...Since "all religion organised on a higher than local level" is banned, that would affect the church, but not individual Catholics. Similarly, i see nothing in "the right to assemble peacebly for the purpose of religion is hereby suspended" to prevent a Catholic from praying in the privacy of his own home...]

OOC: However, many religions require their adherents to gather together, sometimes to practice liturgies or other ordinances, sometimes to just sit or participate in a "worship service" of some sort, and sometimes just to hang out with their fellow believers. A good portion of "organized religion", at least that which I have participated in, is quite egalitarian and is simply a result of like-minded people seeking each other out.

Religion can't be stamped out peacefully by outlawing it. Some will refuse to leave their homes. Of those, some will resist violently, some will try to hide, some will simply try to practice their religion the best they can under the new laws, and some will invent ways to meet together without violating the law. I suspect that a network of secret "house churches" will soon spring up in Muru.

OOC: However, many religions require their adherents to gather together, sometimes to practice liturgies or other ordinances, sometimes to just sit or participate in a "worship service" of some sort, and sometimes just to hang out with their fellow believers. A good portion of "organized religion", at least that which I have participated in, is quite egalitarian and is simply a result of like-minded people seeking each other out.

Religion can't be stamped out peacefully by outlawing it. Some will refuse to leave their homes. Of those, some will resist violently, some will try to hide, some will simply try to practice their religion the best they can under the new laws, and some will invent ways to meet together without violating the law. I suspect that a network of secret "house churches" will soon spring up in Muru.

Some will refuse to leave their homes.

The poliece are equipped with non-lethal weapons such as stun-darts, mace, and nightsticks.

Of those, some will resist violently

The poliece ALSO have a wide varity of lethal weapons for use if they are attacked.

some will try to hide

Thus making it so that their religion views are not part of the public, mission accomplished.

some will simply try to practice their religion the best they can under the new laws

That's not a problem.

I suspect that a network of secret "house churches" will soon spring up in Muru

"Become a government informant, betrayer of church and friends. Great prizes to be won!"

Seriously, we'll stop that out given enough time. I"m not saying this is quick-fix, but over the year religon will just die out.

Furthermore, Emperor Anithraldur would like to note that such measures as Muru is taking are usually the beginning of more brutal and barbaric oppressions.

Emperor Anithraldur,

Your statement represents the very reason why Surginia has taken the visible position of applauding Muru's leadership for refraining from the violation of human rights laws, while still disagreeing with and condemning the ban. It is my hope that the Muru government will continue to realize that a government can be very strict and firm on its stance (if it believes such ruling style to be absolutely necessary) - without resorting to a "barbaric" style of oppression that includes attrocities such as genocide, mass executions, and the like.

That being said, Surginia is watching this situation as it develops as we are extremely interested in ensuring high quality for every human life, particularly for non-violent peoples. If any human rights are violated by the government of Muru, we will join Arizona Nova in enactment and enforcement of boycotts, sanctions, etc.

K.P. Greene
Chief Commander of State,
Armed Republic of Surginia

Mityahu Nefesh, Prime Minister of the Republic of Parsha, the people of Parsha, and the Parshan Knesett are apalled.

The nation of Parsha is a nation of mainly Jewish heritage,but representing a wide range of backgrounds and it is a nation of people who are not unfamiliar with being told that they cannot worship how they choose. The nation furthermore recognizes that the notion is not just pro-secularism, but anti-religion. Parsha recognizes the deep faith it's people have in freedom of worship and so we extend the hand of amnesty and citizenship to all refugees of all backgrounds and cultures who flee from their bondage. We welcome all of them here. None should be afraid or subjugated. We also recognize the great Abraham Joshua Heschel who said: "Discrimination is the ultimate irrationality: A maximum of hate, for a minimum of reason."

The Republic of Parsha.

The Government of New Marshall is willing to help in any way the relocation of any refugee. We open our arms to all people willing to work hard and pay their taxes to join our new nation.

Mityahu Nefesh, Prime Minister of the Republic of Parsha, the people of Parsha, and the Parshan Knesett are apalled.

The nation of Parsha is a nation of mainly Jewish heritage,but representing a wide range of backgrounds and it is a nation of people who are not unfamiliar with being told that they cannot worship how they choose. The nation furthermore recognizes that the notion is not just pro-secularism, but anti-religion. Parsha recognizes the deep faith it's people have in freedom of worship and so we extend the hand of amnesty and citizenship to all refugees of all backgrounds and cultures who flee from their bondage. We welcome all of them here. None should be afraid or subjugated. We also recognize the great Abraham Joshua Heschel who said: "Discrimination is the ultimate irrationality: A maximum of hate, for a minimum of reason."

The Republic of Parsha.

We do not descriminate against one religion or another. We do NOT recognize peoples right to belive in imaginary creatures any more then you would recognize an insane man's right to walk about outside an aslyium.

HadesRulesMuch officially welcomes all refugees of the tyrannical reign of Muru. In fact, it also welcomes non-religious refugees who are discriminated against by Muru. It strongly disapproves of the obvious lack of civil rights found in Muru, and is more than willing to join a coalition of free nations to oppose the oppressive measures being taken by Muru. Our strong economy and extensive civil rights should provide plenty of incentive for refugees to come join us in a land of freedom and tolerance for all, including atheists. Any action by Muru to harass religion organized on a local level (being that this form of religion was left untouched) will be regarded as a breach in International Law, i.e. the Human Rights Act, and will be considered an act of war. Any attempt to harass refugees fleeing the country will be regarded as an act of war, and will be treated as such. We welcome all with open arms, and are much disappointed by the actions of the ruling power in Muru.

the holy empire Of Crackpie, and the vast majority of its citizens ( 96% of which are atheists) condemn the actions of any nation to restrict or enforce religious practices. while Crackpie will not take military action, the citizens urge for some other form of sanction...

the holy empire Of Crackpie, and the vast majority of its citizens ( 96% of which are atheists) condemn the actions of any nation to restrict or enforce religious practices. while Crackpie will not take military action, the citizens urge for some other form of sanction...



The Surginian government has issued a statement in response to the amount of attention drawn to the situation in Muru. The statement was publicly announced in a press conference by Chief Commander of State Kiran P. Greene; its text was soon after released to the international community.

Commentator: And now, it appears as if Dr. B.N. Barnes, the Director of Diplomatic and Embassade Relations has wrapped up his part of the conference and is stepping aside to let Ms. Greene make her formal announcement.. we'll take you there live now, as she's approaching the podium..

"Thank you, Dr. Barnes. Your diplomatic efforts have been extremely effective for our nation.. I thank you for helping Surginia remain peaceful, stable, and in good relations with our neighbors around the world. And now, if I may, I have an important statement to make concerning the current and much publicized situation in Muru.

"The Armed Republic of Surginia understands the sensitive nature of the religious/spiritual/faith issue at hand for billions of people around the world. Our thoughts are with the fleeing, former citizens of Muru and their families, and other religious, spiritual, or otherwise faithful people around the world who feel that the very foundation of their existance has been discredited or otherwise harmed.

"Surginia firmly believes in the basic human right to religious belief - or disbelief. Therefore, we condemn Muru's attempt at "outlawing" religion, even if the public display, gathering, and protest are the only aspects of faith that can, in reality, be forbidden as the thoughts and hearts of people cannot be definitely changed or shaped.

"However, Surginia recognizes the fact that Muru (a nation not affiliated with the UN) has not taken an action in direct violation of human rights and UN law, and therefore Surginia (a nation represented in the UN) will not enforce the UN law of religious freedom and tolerance on the non-member nation of Muru. Additionally, I'd like to point out that the UN law neither supports nor discourages public displays of religion, which is the primary source of Muru's issue at hand.

"To make our already-firm stance more realized by the nations presently involved and the remainder of the international community, Surginia reiterates its position against any nation pushing its belief system upon another nation when the latter has not violated any existing - and applicable -international law and/or prior or existing sanctions. Surginia's stance is made so firmly as a direct result of the resolution passed by the United Nations that states that "the United Nations oppose all wars fought in the name of God and religion."

"Surginia will continue to condemn Muru's stance, but will not support any nation that initiates any military or otherwise violent action in the name of holy (or atheistic) war.

"I will take no questions about this topic at this time as the Surginian government's stance should be fully realized and understood. Again, good luck to the former citizens of Muru. Glory to all that is good, right, and continued prosperity for Surginia."


Commentator: ..And that was Surginia's Chief Commander of State, Kiran P. Greene... Ms. Greene making it clear that her nation will abide by UN law and not prosecute or participate in any war waged for religious reasons... Greene urging nations with opinions differing from Muru's to condemn that nation's action instead of taking action against it. The point, however, is about the display of religions.. which isn't really mentioned specifically in the resolution. Let's ask our panel to weigh in on that....

I will gladly take any of your population that will be displaced. I find your actions disgraceful and biggoted as well to your nation and your name. If you know anything about history, a people without religion is a people without hope or love.

May God show mercy on your heart.

-R. S. of UC

Ill take the people of your country.

the nation of kumi will gladly take more citizens and shold war break out because of this matter will supply muru chicken platter chicken nugget and anytype of chicken meal. (i have to get rid of them i have too many)

The Commonwealth of Enisumentela is neutral on this issue. It is our belief that there should be no religious showings in the general public, however Churches and places of worship are allowed, as long as they are on private (and taxed) property. The Government is officially athiest, and we encourage out citizens to be so as well, however it is their choice. (Note: we have a position somewhat like Frances currently that no conspicuous displays of religion be shown in schools or government workplaces. However, private schools are paid for one quarter by the government, and their attendant's parents recieve a tax credit.)

On that note, we would accept any refugees coming in our direction.

As well, The Commonwealth of Enisumentela condmens any nation that wishes to impose its beliefs in this area on the country in question. It is that country's right to remove public religion, and if you don't like it, we say "go cry in a corner." As long as they are not condoning or supporting violence against their citizens, no nation has the right to threaten the sovergnty of that nation.

Gutenburgh is quite pro anti-religion, although perhaps it would be better to convince those with spiritual beliefs that they are wrong. A massive persuasive and well researched speech could be magnificent, and perhaps citizens will actually believe it.

Oh, we envy you. However, outlawing religion is just not right for Gutenbirgh at present. --God. (Just a coincidence.)

We havent made any demands that Catholicism be instituted we just demanded that it be made a legal religion. They are violating the rights of the Catholics in the nation by forcibly deporting them or denying them there religion.

Again, I must say, you have no right to force Muru to make Catholicism a legal religion. He may be violating a law in your nation, but Muru doesn't have to follow the laws of a completely separate nation. We stand by Muru in its decision. He is not forcing anyone out of the nation, I suggest you read that again.

Euroslavia suggests that you halt your petty military threats, and look for a diplomatic solution, rather than making a rash decision. If military action is taken, we must reiterate that Euroslavia will not allow such an action.

We havent made any demands that Catholicism be instituted we just demanded that it be made a legal religion. They are violating the rights of the Catholics in the nation by forcibly deporting them or denying them there religion.

Catholics have not had their rights taken away any more then pegans, hindus, or anybody else. I suggest you stop acting like you are being singled out.

Whilst it is somewhat unkind of the Muruan government to remove people's right to worship an organised religion, the reaons for it are understandable and the facts that it is only large organised religious groups - which are often in essence businesses anyway - being tergeted, and that there is no discrimination against a single religion mean that we support Muru in this matter and will be rather displeased should there be any action taken again them.

OOC:
Be a government informer
Betray your family and friends
Fabulous prizes to be won ;)

Any and all Persian, Median, or Azeri Zoroastrians are to be sent to Parthia.

The Free Land of Eirenan welcomes any and all refugees of the nation of Muru. Furthermore, the elected representatives of The Free Land of Eirenan feel that the actions taken by the nation of Muru are contemptible. Taking away the inherent right that one may practice any religion they choose is immoral. This said, please note that the nation of Eirenan will not issue any ultimatums to Muru. Eirenan may disagree with the laws but will not interfere with their internal affairs.

Sincerely,
The Free Land of Eirenan

Ill take the people of your country.
and the non-christians one, youll convert, you fascist bastard

Catholics have not had their rights taken away any more then pegans, hindus, or anybody else. I suggest you stop acting like you are being singled out.

The Imperial Empire does not particullary care about the other groups. Our only concern is that of Catholics and Christains. We advise you once again to overturn the law banning Catholicism.


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1 Imperial Fleet is being sent to Muru's region.


OOC: fleet consists of
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery avenger missile ships
4 shield AA ships
4 tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus Battleships
30 Legate Cruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion destroyers
10 Velite subs.
Plus additional supply and transport ships.

The Imperial Empire does not particullary care about the other groups. Our only concern is that of Catholics and Christains. We advise you once again to overturn the law banning Catholicism.


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1 Imperial Fleet is being sent to Muru's region.


OOC: fleet consists of
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery avenger missile ships
4 shield AA ships
4 tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus Battleships
30 Legate Cruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion destroyers
10 Velite subs.
Plus additional supply and transport ships.

ok, thats it. Muru, now I'm on your side, just to disagree with this asshole.

The Imperial Palace of the Tuileries, Paris.

Let it be known that I, the Emperor of the French and the King of Italy, support His Imperial Majesty in this situation. Perhaps an alliance against religion would have been something?

Imperator Napoleon

"In Beth Gellert, religion has been banned for centuries. Three billion comrades continue to await the angry hand of God with as much seriousness as their 228th fastest growing economy in the universe expects the failure of communism.

"At this point it would be ordinary for the Igovian Soviet Commonwealth to cease trade with Belem, but it has been a long time since a Beddgelen has expressed any interest in travelling to or accepting guests or goods from that nation, anyway."

-Commonwealth Consul comrade Nicholas Kezo, speaking to Iskra!.

The Imperial Palace of the Tuileries, Paris.

Let it be known that I, the Emperor of the French and the King of Italy, support His Imperial Majesty in this situation. Perhaps an alliance against religion would have been something?

Imperator Napoleon

(i am unclear.....my country has an emporor too, who were you talking too?)

Ravea is not for or against religion in any form, we just allow people to practice whatever they want. However, we are willing to defend Muru against the forces of Belem. Muru's laws and soverty must be respected, and NO other country has the right to say otherwise.

Do not invade in the name of Religion, Belem. Do you really want another crusade, this time between Athiests and Christians?

I repeat, Do Not Attack, Belem!

As Euroslavia has said before, we would defend Muru in case Belem made advances upon them, therefore, we shall send a fleet of our own.

First Fleet "Rainmaker"
8 Nasrad Class Dreadnaughts
5 Glory Class Supercarriers
5 December Class Destroyers
8 Seal Class Air Defense Destroyers
12 Zeus Class AEGIS Destroyers
10 Invinsible Class Battleships
10 Iowa Class Battlecruisers
10 Arcadia Class Air Defense Cruisers
10 Pirate Class Light Cruisers
15 Ticonderoga Class Cruisers
10 Ares Class Frigates
10 Silencer Class Missile Frigates
15 Firelli Class Amphibious Assault Ships
6 Delta Class Submarines
10 Seawolf Class Submarines w/2 mantas each
8 Perrigon Class Minesweepers

The Imperial Empire does not particullary care about the other groups. Our only concern is that of Catholics and Christains. We advise you once again to overturn the law banning Catholicism.


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1 Imperial Fleet is being sent to Muru's region.


OOC: fleet consists of
4 Intrepid Class Carriers
4 Fiery avenger missile ships
4 shield AA ships
4 tracker ASW ships
20 Romulus Battleships
30 Legate Cruisers
40 Vesuvius Frigates
60 Centurion destroyers
10 Velite subs.
Plus additional supply and transport ships.

Ok, you have pissed off the Fiefdom of pissed of Fiefs. While we are a predominantly small country, with few military resources, we are capable of one thing: infiltration.

439 of our best agents are on their way, with 36 already embedded within your society. Once dormant, the well established smuggling channels have been reopened. The goal? To increase the level of drug addiction amongst your "religious" citizens, and thereby increase the level of social strife which you must contend with.

Enjoy your ghettos. You really must pay more attention to your local situation before meddling in the affairs of others.

ooc: that idea kicks ass. very creative. i love "enjoy your ghettos."

Ok, you have pissed off the Fiefdom of pissed of Fiefs. While we are a predominantly small country, with few military resources, we are capable of one thing: infiltration.

439 of our best agents are on their way, with 36 already embedded within your society. Once dormant, the well established smuggling channels have been reopened. The goal? To increase the level of drug addiction amongst your "religious" citizens, and thereby increase the level of social strife which you must contend with.

Enjoy your ghettos. You really must pay more attention to your local situation before meddling in the affairs of others.

nice godmod ignored

nice godmod ignored

I explained my course of action, and an explanation as to what the intent is. Apart from a flippant ending to my post, I did not outline what the end result would be, that is up to you to decide.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274470

Rules are not subjective. They are pretty straight forward, even for someone new such as myself.

no its a godmod to just say you have agents in my country not to mention the fact your 1 day old.

no its a godmod to just say you have agents in my country not to mention the fact your 1 day old.

Hence the low number, can't really justify too many getting through in a day. ;) And how is this real time anyways? This is a country simulator, hence time would be sped up quite a bit.

But hey, if you want to pick and choose, by all means go right ahead.

no its a godmod to just say you have agents in my country not to mention the fact your 1 day old.

i understand your point regarding agents in your country from a nation only 1 day old, but it doesn't seem fair to hold the one day thing against him (or her) when he didn't do the SUPERIOR WEAPONZZ!!11! and NUKES!! thing. everyone has to start with their first day. that's just my opinion, i guess.. i'm still getting the feel for this too. (a political person for my whole life, but never been into rpg before.. not much of a gamer.)

anyway.. i think the concept is a good one and could be an interesting situation to take on if it's maybe adjusted a little bit to take the agents-already-in-belem factor out or "arriving in" or something. dormant, undercover operatives taking on the role of civilians and creating social upheaval isn't totally unimaginable... even in the real world. (that's scary as hell.)

*cough*

HadesRulesMuch, as promised, rushes to the defense of the christians in Muru and Belem. Its world-class economy, ranked one of the strongest in its region, has been effectively switched over to military production. For combat, it sends:

5 Million Undead Troops
12 Imperial Class Starships
12 Squads of F-1s
200 Abrams tanks equipped with depleted uranium armor
10 Nimitz Class Carriers
25 Spruance Class Destroyers
Lead by Hades, Lord of the Dead, riding atop Cerberus, the Three-Headed Hellhound

Warner, further interference from any nation besides Belem and Muru will encur atmosphere ionization from HadesRulesMuchs Imperial Star Destroyers. All nations are warned, stand down or risk atmospheric ionization.

Warner, further interference from any nation besides Belem and Muru will encur atmosphere ionization from HadesRulesMuchs Imperial Star Destroyers. All nations are warned, stand down or risk atmospheric ionization.

The Holy Empire of Chademala laughs at the control HadesRulesMuch is threatening to take. It is a fascist act of control being demonstrated and though the Holy Empire of Chademala is in no situation to take a stand against such a thing - he is willing to take part in an allied force against such a ridiculous threat in which HadesRulesMuch is attempting to demand 100% control over a situation that is not his to take control of in the first place. Chademala recommends you stand down.

The Sovick Peoples Republic condem the actions of outlawing religion. But it would greatfully accept the refugees.

ooc: hades the war is already over in the other thread basically muru prempteively attacked a portion of my fleet with a nuke and now hes basically a fine layer of glass.

i understand your point regarding agents in your country from a nation only 1 day old, but it doesn't seem fair to hold the one day thing against him (or her) when he didn't do the SUPERIOR WEAPONZZ!!11! and NUKES!! thing. everyone has to start with their first day. that's just my opinion, i guess.. i'm still getting the feel for this too. (a political person for my whole life, but never been into rpg before.. not much of a gamer.)

anyway.. i think the concept is a good one and could be an interesting situation to take on if it's maybe adjusted a little bit to take the agents-already-in-belem factor out or "arriving in" or something. dormant, undercover operatives taking on the role of civilians and creating social upheaval isn't totally unimaginable... even in the real world. (that's scary as hell.)

I doubt this fits within his black and white viewpoint. He is picking and choosing, which is truly unfortunate. It would have made for an interesting sub plot, but he is more interested in C&C style roleplaying. Nuke and pave baby.

I doubt this fits within his black and white viewpoint. He is picking and choosing, which is truly unfortunate. It would have made for an interesting sub plot, but he is more interested in C&C style roleplaying. Nuke and pave baby.

Of course, the irony is, that since the evacuation never actually started for more then a few days he just glassed the people he was trying to protect.

ooc: hades the war is already over in the other thread basically muru prempteively attacked a portion of my fleet with a nuke and now hes basically a fine layer of glass.

OOC: So you nuked 1 city, that may be large part of my pop, but it's not all of it.

ooc: hades the war is already over in the other thread basically muru prempteively attacked a portion of my fleet with a nuke and now hes basically a fine layer of glass.

/ic/
*In a rather rare slip of temper, Anithraldur began to yell:*
"Belem, you fool! You proved yourself no better by this than some barbarian raider! No human rights were being infringed; perhaps the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the case of the refugees, but no one's life was in danger! Until you came in! I ask you, Belem, where were you when the HolySee of Catholicism was being ravaged by Chellis and the Parthians? You're mad and trigger - happy war machine should've been glad to join in that bloodbath! Or do you only challenge those whose population is smaller than your armies? Bah, I have work to do, and little time to preoccupy myself with your antics..."

a large amount of chicken meals have been sent to all allies of muru and muru got enough to make them fat and happy for a while in response to the loss of so many citizens.

OOC: The wars over, damn that power outage :headbang:

/ic/
*In a rather rare slip of temper, Anithraldur began to yell:*
"Belem, you fool! You proved yourself no better by this than some barbarian raider! No human rights were being infringed; perhaps the right to liberty and the pursuit of happiness in the case of the refugees, but no one's life was in danger! Until you came in! I ask you, Belem, where were you when the HolySee of Catholicism was being ravaged by Chellis and the Parthians? You're mad and trigger - happy war machine should've been glad to join in that bloodbath! Or do you only challenge those whose population is smaller than your armies? Bah, I have work to do, and little time to preoccupy myself with your antics..."

"Belem mess with chellis?" Says the Chellian foreign minister, thenafter breaking into heavy guffawing.

The leaders of Robotistan laugh at the concept of religion that the human nations hold so dear. It is a form of thought that will be eliminated when the days of jedgement are upon us. There is no room for supersition beyond the end days.

As Atheistic Empire you have my full support Muru, on political and military grounds. I suggest you join my region called The Atheistic Confederation.

Counrties joined:
- Grapa
- Agnosticarta

The Atheistic Confederation is a group of nations sharing the same atheistic convictions.

General Octaf
Highest in Rank

Request to place an Embassy and Military Base on the grounds of Muru, in exchange you have the right to do the same on my teritory.

General Octaf
Highest in Rank

Ab-shalom and greetings;

Vastiva has no direct interest in this occurance. We ideologically agree with Belem, for we do not agree with any restriction on religion or any other right of the people to choose for themselves.

However, we have also been down this slope before and will repeat our position - the internal affairs of a nation are the affair of that nation, not of the world, unless such actions threaten the world as a whole or in significant part.

This sort of declaration will not affect anything more then Muru. It will cause it's productivity to fall off and it's crime to rise as morality vanishes. This has been proven time and time again, and shall continue to be proven.

Therefore, we have no interest in the actions. We do however have an interest in the use of ICBMs and other global effect weaponry - which is to say, nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

As such, Vastivan orbital assets have been deployed to remove this threat. Please note, this is not a selective embargo, but a complete and neutral one. We will destroy any further ballistic missiles fired within this theater to minimize the effect of your actions upon our descendants.

Thank you for your time,

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
General Riva Sola al-Din
Commander, Vastivan Armed Services
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

ladies and gentlemen

nietzsche heretics attachee for religious affais is pleased to have found a discussion about religion and government in various states going on. alreda your nations name forces us to leave at least a short comment on the issue.

even as "nietzsche heretics" may not make you think so, we have free choice of any belief in our fair state. we believe it to be an abdominable act of breaching civil rights to deny any person the right to confess any belief concerning creation and oversight of the world or any other spiritual matter.

and yet at the same time, we cannot deny that religion is not exactly endorsed in our country. we agree fully with the opening statement of that discussion, namely with the words that religious belief is against any logic, human reason and science. we'd also humbly like to mention that to the unaffected onlooker it seems to be a mere consolidation and assuring white-lie to people who have no other way of explaining life, seeking comfort and security and overcmoing their fears, also fears about there being no sense in life.

the word of white-lie though becomes unevitable ironic when watching how our world is step-by-step destroyed and demoralized by people waging war unto one another and killing their neighbor as well as their children in nothing but the name of faith. this nation therefore strives to educate the children of this world, as education is the way to overcome religion, and we hope to create a safer and more civilized world in this way - truth and humanity over religion shall be our message.

respectfully,

zora mirthens, minister for religious affairs and coordinator of THOR (truth and humanty over religion)

p.s. nietzsche heretics is eager to extend greetings to other explicitly atheist nations and also receive notes from other such nations for the purpose of diplomatic exchange and maybe alliances

The Theocracy of JollyRench is conservative and only believes in serving JollyRench because he is fearless. We only will allow the practice of JollyRench.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

Vastiva has no direct interest in this occurance. We ideologically agree with Belem, for we do not agree with any restriction on religion or any other right of the people to choose for themselves.

However, we have also been down this slope before and will repeat our position - the internal affairs of a nation are the affair of that nation, not of the world, unless such actions threaten the world as a whole or in significant part.

This sort of declaration will not affect anything more then Muru. It will cause it's productivity to fall off and it's crime to rise as morality vanishes. This has been proven time and time again, and shall continue to be proven.

Therefore, we have no interest in the actions. We do however have an interest in the use of ICBMs and other global effect weaponry - which is to say, nuclear weapons of mass destruction.

As such, Vastivan orbital assets have been deployed to remove this threat. Please note, this is not a selective embargo, but a complete and neutral one. We will destroy any further ballistic missiles fired within this theater to minimize the effect of your actions upon our descendants.

Thank you for your time,

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
General Riva Sola al-Din
Commander, Vastivan Armed Services
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

It should be noted that ICBMs have not been used only cruise misiles and artillery deployed nuclear weapons.

Omicron Alpha would first like to wave irrationally at a nation with a very similar name to our own. *Waves irrationally for a few moments*

Anyway. Religious organisations can and frequently are very profitable organisations if you know how to work them properly. Privatise them, make the donations almost compulsory once inside a church, produce merchandise, tax them... although foreign religions have an almost none-existent foothold here next to the might religion of Economism, their respective churches are highly profitable for their size. We would urge your honourable representative to consider this before the point of no return is reached.

The Director
Omicron Alpha Government Incorporated
"Working for the profit of the consumers"

On behalf of the DoTF alliance members, we condemn these actions as a restriction of rights for an individual to choose to believe in what God or Gods to guide their lives. We ask for you to reconsider your current actions.

God bless

It should be noted that ICBMs have not been used only cruise misiles and artillery deployed nuclear weapons.

OOC It is noted. However, PANDORAS BOX can't hit anything that far in the atmosphere. So I'd have to deploy forces to shoot things down and - frankly - I don't care to get anything of mine that close to the explosions. So I'll live with keeping the big stuff down.

Imperial International Policy
Imperial Support of The Dominion of Muru
The Empire supports the actions of The Dominion of Muru. Though it must be noted that the Empire sees no need and no want to take such actions within its own lands, either now or in the future, it does still recognise not only the right of Muru to take such actions, but that we support such actions as it suits them.

If the problem of religion is soo damaging to the advancement of any race or nation, then such actions should be taken. It does not remove faith, as localised is still legal, but removes the interfering, destructive and separating problem of religions influence upon the country, which hinders its own development at a proper pace.

The Dominion of Muru has the Empires and His Divine Imperial Majesties full support in coping with the problems that such a action may cause for them, either within their own territory or from outside.

~ Imperial Ambassador Janos Audrin

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v46/MariusDeRomanus/NSImperialLogo.png

As Atheistic Empire you have my full support Muru, on political and military grounds. I suggest you join my region called The Atheistic Confederation.

Counrties joined:
- Grapa
- Agnosticarta

The Atheistic Confederation is a group of nations sharing the same atheistic convictions.

General Octaf
Highest in Rank

I would be honored.

Request to place an Embassy and Military Base on the grounds of Muru, in exchange you have the right to do the same on my teritory.

General Octaf
Highest in Rank

Embassy's certanly, but we would prefer to defend ourselves.

Imperial International Policy
Imperial Support of The Dominion of Muru
The Empire supports the actions of The Dominion of Muru. Though it must be noted that the Empire sees no need and no want to take such actions within its own lands, either now or in the future, it does still recognise not only the right of Muru to take such actions, but that we support such actions as it suits them.

If the problem of religion is soo damaging to the advancement of any race or nation, then such actions should be taken. It does not remove faith, as localised is still legal, but removes the interfering, destructive and separating problem of religions influence upon the country, which hinders its own development at a proper pace.

The Dominion of Muru has the Empires and His Divine Imperial Majesties full support in coping with the problems that such a action may cause for them, either within their own territory or from outside.

~ Imperial Ambassador Janos Audrin

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We thank you for your support.

Embassy's certanly, but we would prefer to defend ourselves.

Perhaps in light of current affairs you would be wise to reconsider this offer of a military base?

Perhaps in light of current affairs you would be wise to reconsider this offer of a military base?

Millitary support would be more then welcome if you can offer it, your troops have free right of passage for the duration of the war.

Whilst Banning Religion is not a practice that is endorsed, if it is deemed necessary, then the soveriegn nation has every right to do so, unless, of course, genocide or any form of human rights abuses are commited, which they were not.

Muru offered the people affected by the legislation the chance to leave, now they cannot - for Belem has commited the only action of Genocide in this situation.

The Eternal Soviet Empire Supports Muru, and Condemns Belem and its downright cruel and unjustified actions, Countries like yours are the ones that give religion its bad qualities.

-High Commissar Carvas.

Notquiteaplace will accept the refugees and give them a fresh start. However we ask that you sell their houses and possesion for a fair price and allow them the full income from this if they wish. Unless they wish to sell the house in our nation, in which case they are allowed to keep and possesions and sell them for a fair price.

This should allow them a fair fresh start, rather than just losing all their possesions, they will keep some of what they have worked for.

Either way, they are welcome as immigrants or refugees, we would prefer immigrants, but the choice is yours but wed rather take immigrants with possesions than poor refugees who have lost it all. For both humanitarian and selfish reasons.

Notquiteaplace will accept the refugees and give them a fresh start. However we ask that you sell their houses and possesion for a fair price and allow them the full income from this if they wish. Unless they wish to sell the house in our nation, in which case they are allowed to keep and possesions and sell them for a fair price.

This should allow them a fair fresh start, rather than just losing all their possesions, they will keep some of what they have worked for.

Either way, they are welcome as immigrants or refugees, we would prefer immigrants, but the choice is yours but wed rather take immigrants with possesions than poor refugees who have lost it all. For both humanitarian and selfish reasons.

A moot issue, the few that arn't irredated, crushed, or immolated are being allowed to stay.

OOC: its a shame we missed it, a few of our ships are designed specifically to shoot down ICBMs, and i would have helped you if i could have.

IC: we wish instead to send some aid. We will if you accept send a regiment (1000) of medics, one regiment of enginners and one regiment of hazardous environment troops to help speed up the cleanup. (we could probably clean the slightly less dangerous areas as these guys have rad suits and geiger counters, to avoid exposure to dangerous amounts of radiation and are trained to fight in those conditions, repairing and cleaning should be easy for them)

they woud arrive by boat with a fleet escorting them, due to recent nature of the conflict. They are there merely for security.

OOC: its a shame we missed it, a few of our ships are designed specifically to shoot down ICBMs, and i would have helped you if i could have.

IC: we wish instead to send some aid. We will if you accept send a regiment (1000) of medics, one regiment of enginners and one regiment of hazardous environment troops to help speed up the cleanup. (we could probably clean the slightly less dangerous areas as these guys have rad suits and geiger counters, to avoid exposure to dangerous amounts of radiation and are trained to fight in those conditions, repairing and cleaning should be easy for them)

they woud arrive by boat with a fleet escorting them, due to recent nature of the conflict. They are there merely for security.

We will accecpt.

They will be travelling in now. The main body of the fleet will reamin outside your waters, only the transports, 2 subs and 2 destroyers and 4 corvettes plus on anti misile cruiser will actually enter your territory, the rest will remain outside.

OOC:I cant be bothered to number wank, sugffice to say, its not a small fleet sitting just outside your waters it comes complete with carriers and everything... but i have NO intention to use it. Its just what my nation "the PARANOID commercial republic of Notquiteaplace" would do.

To the government of Muru:

The Republic of Mac Cumhail has unanimously, in parliament by process of our system of law, voted to condemn your recent laws restricting the religious liberties of your nation's citizens. Until such time as these laws are repealed, our nation will enforce a strict embargo on trade goods between our lands. Refugees will be welcomed, but any mercantile goods will be intercepted at the border and sent on their way.

This is not a declaration of war. We will take no military action against your people, apart from the seizure of goods and persons attempting to enter our nation for any reason other than to peition refugee status. Such seizures will be temporary, lasting only until the persons/materials seized can be repatriated.

Sincerely
Prime Minister Sean Dempsey
~Signatures of the entire Legislature of the Republic of Mac Cumhail~

Chardonay has a policy of amused toleration towards people who believe in silly things like Santa Claus, aliens, bigfood, psychics, the Loch Ness Monster, god and tooth fairy. All religious institutions within chardonay are considered private enterprise. Since private enterprise is more or less outlawed (it isn't... but it's very tricky) there's a bit of a catch 22. We wholeheartedly support your banning of organized religion, and are willing to give any aid required, from medical facilities specializing in cancer and genetic deseases to outright military operations.

Chardonay has a policy of amused toleration towards people who believe in silly things like Santa Claus, aliens, bigfood, psychics, the Loch Ness Monster, god and tooth fairy. All religious institutions within chardonay are considered private enterprise. Since private enterprise is more or less outlawed (it isn't... but it's very tricky) there's a bit of a catch 22. We wholeheartedly support your banning of organized religion, and are willing to give any aid required, from medical facilities specializing in cancer and genetic deseases to outright military operations.

At this point, the time for millitary help is long past. But any help you can provide in healing our citizens and rebuilding our economy would be most welcome.

Does this ban also cover the core teaching of Buddhism, im not entriely sure that's what you'd call a religion, more guidlines for life.

Does this ban also cover the core teaching of Buddhism, im not entriely sure that's what you'd call a religion, more guidlines for life.

As long as it's not organized, but it's moot as we just repealed the law.

OOC: The lessons of war learnt the hard way. It was brave of you to stand up for your own rights, but insulting a big nation is not the way to go (well, okay.. "bring it")

But you survived and ina few years (Rl days) will be capable of military action at full strength (still not exactly a lot, but you will have grown a bit anyway)

Yep, i'm just like a nail, i stood up and got beat down.

Time to locate a country like Belem, only smaller that i can take out my frustration on. :rolleyes:

OOC: Or find a few allies, grow a bit and in a couple of months when some nation starts throwing its weight around, stand up and survive instead. Plus there arent many nations you could actually crush right now, as your armed forces would most likely still be re recruiting, and your economy recovering and you are still quite small.

The Belem thing is really flairing up now..