NationStates Jolt Archive

This is just my inventory with combat vehicles and aircraft, comments are most welcome-


The way my society works, is that all children are evaluated by the government, and the most genetically superior are put in a Doom Legion training unit. Eveyone else goes through my school system, which includes weapons training, heavy physical training, heavy indoctrination, ect.

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Description of Branches-
Doomingsland Imperial Army-
Largest of the five branches, personel are trained during their regular schooling, then called up for active service when they turn 17. After that, they go through an even tougher, 6 month boot camp, and after that, personel go on to specialized training.

Special Units-
Rangers-Equivelent to the US Army Rangers, same capability, pretty much the same level of training.

Reapers-Equivelent of the US Delta Force.

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Doomingsland Marine Corps-
Specializes in amphibious warfare, and actualy has a pretty high budget. Extremely well trained, the best performing people in school are taken at an early age, and trained to their absolute limits. Basic training is three years.

Special Units-

Force Reconassence-The elite of the elite, the men of Force Recon are chosen before they are even chosen to be placed in the Marine Corps, and undergo an even tougher Boot Camp than the regular Marines. Equivelent of the US Force Recon.

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Doomingsland Imperial Navy-

Obviously mostly made up of ships, the personel in the navy are mainly conscripts, meaning the people who don't do quite good enough to make the army, and go to civilian life, until they are called up for their 2 year tour of duty. Basic training is three months.

Special Units-

SPEDAU-Stands for Special Demolitions Assualt Unit, these are elite men, taken at a very early age, trained to the limits, ect. The equivelent of the SAS or SEALs.

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Doomingsland Air Force-

Personel don't require much training, with the exception of the pilots. If you don't make the army or marines, you get the choice of joining the navy or air force. You have to get into the Doomingsland Military Academy to become a pilot. Basic training is three months.

Special Units-

Pathfinders-These are the absolute tip of the spear, they are dropped ahead of an invasion force, and direct aircraft to targets.

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Doom Legion-

The smallest of the five branches, but by far the toughest. At only 30,000 strong, these are the emporer's personal soldiers. They are taken at birth, genetically purified, and even more heavily indoctrinated than the other branches, who are pretty much incorruptable. These elite men are trained to their absolute limits, are extremely brutal, and are incapable of feeling emotions whatsoever. They are the best equiped over all. Basic training is 10 years, usualy about 10% live threw it.
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Infantry Systems-
Standard issue for the Doomingsland military in general is the XM8 rifle, and an ACS suit, helmet included. They can also carry an ALICE pack, or SPEAR vest, which would contain all rations, personal items, first aid stuff, ect.
Each squad has two automatic riflemen, armed with the M249 SAW, two grenediers, armed with the XM29 OICW, and 4 riflemen, armed with the XM8 rifle. The standard platoon support weapon is the M60E4 LMG. The standard battalion support weapon is the OCSW.

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Breakup of Divisions-

Marine-
200 M1A5
500 LAV-25
100 Crusader
80 M48
90 LAV-AD
3000 HMMWV
20,000 Marines
10 AH1Z

Armor-
500 M1A5
1000 M2/3A3
400 Crusader
300 M270 MLRS
XXX HMMWV
100 M6
18,000 men
30 AH64

Infantry-
23,000 men
1000 M2/3A3
300 M1A5 SEP
5000 HMMWV
200 M109A6
100 M6
20 AH64

Carrier Battle Group-
10 Seawolf
1 Nimitz
1 Yorktown
8 Ticonderoga
10 Oliver Hazzard Perry
6 Arleigh Burke


Military inventory-

Tracked-
5000 M1A5 King Abrams
10,000 M1A2
11,000 M2/3A3 and varients
6000 EFV
3000 M-48 Chapperal
3000 M2001/2 Crusader
2000 M109A6 Paladin

Wheeled-
30,000 HMMWV and varients
7000 LAV-25 and varients

SAM-
(Note:Most of this is defending my actual country. Yes, we are that paranoid)
9000 SA-12 Gladiator
5000 SA-10 Grumble
12,000 SA-2 Guideline
10,000 SA-3 (forgot NATO codename)
5000 Patriot Pac-2/3/4(4 is my own modification, somewhat capable of hitting an ICBM in rare casses)

AAA-
(Note:All of this is defending either my mainland or a permenant base)
4000 ZPU-23
6000 ZPU-4
3000 ZPU57

Fixed Wing Aircraft-
4600 F/A22a Raptor
4200 F35 JSF and varients
55 B2 Spirit
100 B1b Lancer
50 A10 Warthog
2000 F14d
20 Longsword Bomber
300 C17 Globemaster III
100 C5 Galaxy
20 JSTARS
29 E767
40 E2C Hawkeye
15 E3 Sentry
200 C130 Hercules and varients
20 Darkstar UAV
50 KC135
50 KC10
100 KA6
Helicopter-
700 AH64a/d
300 RAH66 Commanche
70 AH1z Super Cobra
900 UH60 Blackhawk and varients
50 CH53 and varients
60 CH47 Chinook

Naval-
64 Seawolf Class
20 Ohio Class
4 Yorktown Class Carrier
5 Nimitz Class Carrier
21 Ticonderoga Class
20 Oliver Hazzard Perry Class
17 Spruance Class
14 Arleigh Burke Class
30 Wasp Class
20 Harper's Ferry Class
90 LCAC
10 Tiger Class Railgun Boat

Nice.

I want to know how many are for active military use, not just the ones that are in your basement collecting dust. What about personel? I had a lot of problems with the 20 million you had earlier (china doesn't even have that much and it has twice your population).

20 million is including logistics and support, and only around 3-5 million combat personel. As for acitve duty of that stuff, all the aircraft are active duty, the SAMs and AAA are collecting dust in coastal installations or in underground launch tubes,
I only have about 7000 Abrams/King Abrams active duty, and the A2s are all in militia units, I have cumpulsory military service, so either you join the militia for 4 years, or serve in a logistics unit for 2 years, the regular combat guys are in the military until they are asked to retire. The way my society is set up, is that everyone is trained for the military as part of their regular schooling, and the best are put on active duty, the rest of them going on to civilian life until they have to show up for their 2-4 years of duty.

Wow. How do you manage to pay for everything? $721,669,079,040 (from thirdgeek's calculator) is what your country spends on defense. I'm assuming average pay is $20k yearly (it should be higher but whatever) so multiply $20,000 by 20 million. Add in the cost of training, ammunition, fuel, etc and you've got:

1) An oversized, poorly trained, under-equipped military

or

2)A bankrupt country.

Bah, well, that's why I was asking for critisism. How about I lower the number to 12 million, and 2 million combat troops? That seems reasonable (I don't really deploy a ton of guys at once, anyways.)

Well, I was going according to the NS rule of 5% of your total pop, and this is only around...uh... less than that.

Bah, well, that's why I was asking for critisism. How about I lower the number to 12 million, and 2 million combat troops? That seems reasonable (I don't really deploy a ton of guys at once, anyways.)

Criticizing you, that's my job. :) I don't know the acutal acceptable number, just 20 million seemed blatantly excessive considering your budget. And don't worry, I'll have my stats posted up too.

Personally I think you should increase your bombers, and add more Chinooks. Also your navy seems quite small. Just some critizism

Well, my airforce and ground inventory cost quite alot maintenece-wise. Besides, those Longswords are good enough to annihilae a fleet from 1000 miles away without endangering themselves.

You dont have any F-4 Phantoms? They're always an essential part of my Airforce.

Well, my airforce and ground inventory cost quite alot maintenece-wise. Besides, those Longswords are good enough to annihilae a fleet from 1000 miles away without endangering themselves.

I'd like to see the stats for the longswords, if that's not a problem. A link to the thread devoloping them would be great.

You dont have any F-4 Phantoms? They're always an essential part of my Airforce.
F-4s are inferior compared to the planes I use, as they are 60s' tech.

I'd like to see the stats for the longswords, if that's not a problem. A link to the thread devoloping them would be great.
You'd have to ask Artica.

But im an F-4 Fan and if you upgrade them they are potnate weapons.

All the upgrades in the world won't save it from an F22 or a JSF.

But its 2 Seat. There are two pilot in the Phantom.They can outsmart the F-22 or JSF in a gunfight.

No, the second seat often makes for mistakes, the Raptor and JSF have most stuff automated anyways, so a second seat wouldn't change anything. In a gunfight, the Raptor or JSF could easily outmanuever a Phantom.

Personaly, I like the Phantom, its a cool plane, but too outdated to use in NS.

Eh, regardless the F-22A, or F-35 JSF can still out manuever, and out class F-4's. I do use Upgrade models though in my homeguard airforce. But the majority of my air corp is of F-2's, F-35's, F-22A, and then I have a couple wings of other aircraft.

I know some F-4 Pilots who beat an F-15 in a mock dogfight

This is just my inventory with combat vehicles and aircraft, comments are most welcome-

Tracked-
5000 M1A5 King Abrams
10,000 M1A2
11,000 M2/3A3 and varients
6000 EFV
3000 M-48 Chapperal
3000 M2001/2 Crusader
2000 M109A6 Paladin

Wheeled-
30,000 HMMWV and varients
7000 LAV-25 and varients

SAM-
(Note:Most of this is defending my actual country. Yes, we are that paranoid)
9000 SA-12 Gladiator
5000 SA-10 Grumble
12,000 SA-2 Guideline
10,000 SA-3 (forgot NATO codename)
5000 Patriot Pac-2/3/4(4 is my own modification, somewhat capable of hitting an ICBM in rare casses)

AAA-
(Note:All of this is defending either my mainland or a permenant base)
4000 ZPU-23
6000 ZPU-4
3000 ZPU57

Fixed Wing Aircraft-
4600 F/A22a Raptor
4200 F35 JSF and varients
55 B2 Spirit
100 B1b Lancer
50 A10 Warthog
2000 F14d
20 Longsword Bomber
300 C17 Globemaster III
100 C5 Galaxy
20 JSTARS
29 E767
40 E2C Hawkeye
15 E3 Sentry
200 C130 Hercules and varients
20 Darkstar UAV
50 KC135
50 KC10
100 KA6
Helicopter-
700 AH64a/d
300 RAH66 Commanche
70 AH1z Super Cobra
900 UH60 Blackhawk and varients
50 CH53 and varients
60 CH47 Chinook

Naval-
64 Seawolf Class
20 Ohio Class
4 Yorktown Class Carrier
5 Nimitz Class Carrier
21 Ticonderoga Class
20 Oliver Hazzard Perry Class
17 Spruance Class
14 Arleigh Burke Class
30 Wasp Class
20 Harper's Ferry Class
90 LCAC
10 Tiger Class Railgun Boat

Are those Ohio's SSGN or SSBNs? BIG difference between a guided missile sub and a boomer.

Your entire navy is also outgunned just by the fleet I have in defense of Japanese Antarctica - and I doubt heavily you would send the entire thing on this operation.



5th Fleet - Defense of Japanese Antarctica
Commander : Flt Adm Gurgi Mesfin al-Din
1 Guillen BBG
1 Kirov CGN
30 Cherokee CGN
26 Archer AA CGN
100 Farragut DDG
15 Oliver Hazard Perry ASW FFG
100 Grisha V FFG
200 Aquadragon AS Ekranoplans
34 Glisson Minelayers
36 Elmo Minesweepers
4 Galaxy SSN
4 Ohio SSGN
60 Kilo SSK




Next, how are you going to get all those tanks into combat? Drive them? Landing where, and how? Can't land planes without an airfield, and airdropping them gives a wonderful opportunity to see how tanks take SAM rounds to the parachute.

You're skunked. TTFN.

But its 2 Seat. There are two pilot in the Phantom.They can outsmart the F-22 or JSF in a gunfight.

How the hell do you outsmart a missile?

You'd have to ask Artica.

So you use weapons that you don't have the stats for?

So you use weapons that you don't have the stats for?

No, i think he did give stats in the Soviet Expanse war. But i don't think he made a thread explaining the longswords and the stats he did give were pretty ridiculous. I advise that you just ignore the longswords, or ask Doomingsland to replace them with another bomber.

Might want more A-10´s or other close support aircraft. :)

So you use weapons that you don't have the stats for?
Well, the stats I use in Rps are basicly a mach 3 high altitude cruise missile launching platform, nothing special.

An F-4 Pilot told me that a Phantom cannot beat anF-22 but you could beat it if you had a borelock on it and could see it in time which i doubt. :wink:

That was my point. So basicly what I'm saying about the Longsword, is that I don't use it for flying over you and dropping bombs, I stay back a thousand miles and shoot cruise missiles, so you can shoot it down if you can intercept it, but I would most likely have an escort.

Added discription of branches. AKA bump.