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Homeland organization

Maintaining your army is vital for success. Holy Panooly uses the military organization of the Byzantine Empire (476-1453). This is still a very effective way of keeping your economy healthy while you're fighting a major war.

The Byzantine emperors realized their soldiers need to be kept mobile. They divided their empire in lots of provinces called 'themes', and in each theme a percentage of the male population (the percentage used in your nation of the military units, usually around 6%) were trained and experienced soldiers who worked on farms, as police officers, in offices. When there was a need for troops in every theme near the front men were called for duty. Each theme was a seperate military unit in the army thus there was no confusion after mobilization who belonged in what regiment, army ect. For example: the eastern themes were mobilized to fight while the western themes were working on support the war. This worked very well providing the chain of command is not disrupted by treachery and such.

Holy Panooly and Guffingford are each divided into 36 independent districts and each of them produce and keep the Panooly economy working. The districts who have a coastline maintain the navy and the marines while the inland districts maintain the tanks, artillery. The airpower is spread over all districts to keep watch over the whole nation without cutting back on the defence. The southern islands have all three in their possession.

The total number of HP/Guff troops is 35 million not including logistics. The two nations have been merged, so this number is plausible. Only in the most extreme circumstances this number is actually mobilized. Currently they have no task and are contributing to the economy by working on farms, in mines, and other tasks. With the police force incorporated into the army a much more effective anti-crime policy is established clearing the path for more actions tearing down drug empires, reducing the buearocracy and having more police officers available for military service if the need rises.

If there's war and HP soldiers are drafted to help out someone, then the districts closest to the situation are called in for duty. The number of districts depends but more than 10 never happens for an overseas mission. If Holy Panooly faces invasion then 15 disticts will be notified and mobilized. If the capital cities Panooly City or Gerlach are under direct attack then a new system comes into action and 10 million troops will be mobilized in the nearest districts to protect the capital cities.

Land Warfare
Infantry
6% of the total population can be called for conscript duty.
At this time we have 14.5 million troops ready.
1.000.000 special ops
6.500.000 marines
6.500.000 infantrymen
The remaining soldiers can be given various tasks.

Tanks, Siege guns, AT, AA & Transport
3000 Leopard II MBT
3000 M1A2 Abrams MBT
2000 Paladin 155mm Self Propelled Howitzer
2000 M777 155mm Field Artillery
2500 M-270 MLRS Rocket Artillery
3500 XM777 155mm Artillery
5500 255mm AT gun

Airforce
700 EB-52 Megafortresses
700 B-52 Stratofortresses
1000 B2 Bombers
700 B52 Bombers
1500 F16's Fighters
1500 JSF Fighters
1500 Av8B Harrier II Fighters
1000 F117A Fighters/Bombers
1200 Sea King anti-submarine helicopters
1200 F22 Raptor
1200 EA-80C Transport airplane
1100 EF-12B Golden Hawk
1200 Apache Helicopter
1200 Commanche Helicopter
1500 F-100C Rattlesnakes
1500 F-100NB Sea Snakes
1500 A-100B Copperheads
2000 B-10A Pythons
2000 F-200B King Cobras
1500 R-50 Owls
1200 C-59 Falcon II Armored Dropships
1200 AH-498VX Souix Heavy Gunships
1400 CH-47 Chinook
2500 C-130 Hercules
3000 AC-130H Spectre AT Gunships

Other
Chemical / Biological Weapons
Benzene Bomb - 25,000 bombs
Phosphoric Acid bomb - 25,000 bombs
Phosphorous Bomb - 15,000 bombs
Liquid Nitrogen Bomb - 15,000 bombs
Magnesium Bomb - 15,000 bombs
Sarin Nerve Gas Container - 12,000 containers
Advanced Nerve Gas Container - 25,000 containers
Advanced Mustard Gas Container - 25,000 containers
Aluminium Lithium Hydride shell - 50,000 shells
Ammonia Gas shell - 50,000 shells
Dimethoxy Mercaptobenzylammonium Chloride - 15,000 Shell/Bomb/Grenade
Sulphuric Acid Mist - 15,000 containers

Nuclear Weapons & Misc
12,000 ICBM nuclear missiles
90 Neutron Bombs
90 H-Bombs
10 NIRTSat
10 Anti ICMB Satellite
10 Anti Missile Battery Satellites. Short 1000km, medium 1500km and high range 2000km missiles.

Navy
1st Command Units(5)

1 HMS "Purandar" 1st Class Flagship
1 HMS "Xerxes" 1st Class Flagship
1 HMS "Tiamat" 1st Class Flagship
1 HMS "Aldebaran" 1st Class Flagship
1 HMS "Assassin" 1st Class Flagship

2nd Command Units (5)
1 HMS "Comet" 2nd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Marduk" 2nd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Aristotle" 2nd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Archimedes" 2nd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Homerus" 2nd Class Flagship

3rd Command Units (5)
1 HMS "Morpheus" 3rd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Zeus" 3rd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Alpha-Omega" 3rd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Solaris" 3rd Class Flagship
1 HMS "Samurai" 3rd Class Flagship

Artillery Ships (150)
100 Firestorm "Underworld I" Arsenal Ships
50 Trebuchet "Underworld II" Class Heavy shore-bombardment Frigates

Attack & Defence Units
Battleships (40)
5 Iowa "Forest I" Class Battleships
5 Bismarck "Forest II" Class Battleships
5 Dreadnought "Forest III" Class Battleships
25 Aasimar "Forest IV" Class Battlecruisers (AA, anti-Sub, Ship-Surface, Anti-Ship)

Cruisers (250)
20 Poseidon "Imperator I" Class Cruisers
15 Seydlitz "Imperator II" Class Cruisers
20 Dardo "Imperator III" Class Cruisers
15 Repetance "Imperator IV" Class Cruisers
15 Jaguar "Imperator V" Class Cruisers
20 Southampton "Imperator VI" Class Cruisers
20 Arleigh Burke "Imperator VII" Class Cruisers
20 Aegis "Imperator VIII" Class Cruisers
20 Leahy "Imperator IX" Class Cruisers
15 Belknap "Imperator X" Class Cruisers
20 Ticonderoga Imperator XI" Class Cruisers
10 Alpha "Imperator XII" Class Heavy Cruisers
10 Griffin "Imperator XIII" Class Light Cruisers
12 The Seven Provinces "Imperator XIV" Anti-aircraft Cruisers

Destroyers (280)
20 Manstein "Bloodhound 1" Class Destroyers
20 Kidd "Bloodhound 2" Class Destroyers
20 Farragut "Bloodhound 3" Class Destroyers
20 Vengeance "Bloodhound 4" Class Destroyers
20 Thatcher "Bloodhound 5" Class Destroyers
20 Meteora "Bloodhound 6" Class Destroyers
20 Spruance "Bloodhound 7" Class Destroyers
20 Wolfe "Bloodhound 8" Class Destroyers
20 Daring "Bloodhound 9" Class Destroyers
15 Kongo "Bloodhound 10" Class Destroyers
30 Zumwalt "Bloodhound 11" Class Destroyers
15 Jolt "Bloodhound 12" Class Destroyers
20 Cassius "Bloodhound 13" Class Destroyer
20 Karel Doorman "Bloodhound 14" Class Destroyers

Frigates (250)
20 Clauswitz "Brimstone I" Class Frigates
20 Warrington "Brimstone II" Class Frigates
20 Amazone "Brimstone III" Class Frigates
20 Broadsword "Brimstone IV" Class Frigates
20 Fury "Brimstone V" Class Frigates
20 Defiance "Brimstone VI" Class Frigates
10 Beluga "Brimstone VII" Class Frigates
10 Knox "Brimstone VIII" Class Frigates
10 Perry "Brimstone IX" Class Frigates
10 Brooke "Brimstone X" Class Frigates
10 Garcia "Brimstone XI" Class Frigates
10 Bronstein "Brimstone XII" Class Frigates
10 Valiant "Brimstone XIII" Class Frigates
20 Dauntless "Brimstone XIV" Class Frigates
20 Earl "Brimstone XV" Class AA-Frigates
20 Oberan "Brimstone XVI" Class Anti-Missle Frigates

Carriers (50)
7 JFK "Sol 1" Class Carriers
7 Essex "Sol 2" Class Carriers
7 Hell "Sol 3" Class Carriers
7 Yorktown "Sol 4" Class Carriers
7 Franklin Osis "Sol 5" Class Carriers
8 Enterprise "Sol 6" Class Carriers
7 Defiant "Sol 7" Class Super Carriers

Submarines (550)
50 Trident "Wildfire 1" Class Attack Submarines
60 Nautilus "Wildfire 2" Class Attack Submarines
60 Los Angeles "Wildfire 3" Class Attack Submarines
200 Lich "Wildfire 4" Class Attack/Defence Submarines
150 Lich II "Wildfire 5" Class Attack/Defence Submarines
30 Stymphalian "Wildfire 6" Class Submarines
30 Kraken "Wildfire 7" Class Attack/Defence Submarines
20 Seawolf "Wildfire 8" Class Attack Submarines

Transport & Other (340)
50 Carrack "Green I" Class CG Export
20 Sparrowhawk "Green II" Class DDG Export
20 Sniper "Green III" Class DD Export
20 Prowler "Green IV" Class FFG Export
20 Hunter "Green V" Class FF Export
20 Orion "Green VI" Class Corvettes
20 Visby "Green VII" Class Corvettes
20 Sting "Green VIII" Class Corvettes
50 Sea Shadow "Green X" Class Stealthships
50 Shadow "Green XI" Class Stealthships
20 Wildfire "Green XII" Class Missileships
50 Avenger "Green XIII" Class minesweepers

Note: stationary weapons are not included.

Love the navy! nice update!

06-09-2004, 12:46 PM

Better late than never!

Airforce
700 EB-52 Megafortresses
700 B-52 Stratofortresses
1000 B2 Bombers
700 B52 Bombers
1500 F16's Fighters
1500 JSF Fighters
1500 Av8B Harrier II Fighters
1000 F117A Fighters/Bombers
1200 Sea King anti-submarine helicopters
1200 F22 Raptor
1200 EA-80C Transport airplane
1100 EF-12B Golden Hawk
1200 Apache Helicopter
1200 Commanche Helicopter
1500 F-100C Rattlesnakes
1500 F-100NB Sea Snakes
1500 A-100B Copperheads
2000 B-10A Pythons
2000 F-200B King Cobras
1500 R-50 Owls
1200 C-59 Falcon II Armored Dropships
1200 AH-498VX Souix Heavy Gunships
1400 CH-47 Chinooks
3500 C-130 Herculeses
2000 AC-130H Spectre Gunships


That amounts to 33,500 aircraft. And you claim to not Numberwank? No nation, no matter how large, could maintain an Air Force this size, I'm not even going to mention your land forces. Otherwise, it looks fine.

A lot of those are helicopters.

A lot of those are helicopters.
In most cases, Helos need more maintence than Planes.

Very nice. Maybe we can have a wargame but I have some unfinished business. I also have a top of the line military but 75% of it is National Guard or Reserve

That amounts to 33,500 aircraft. And you claim to not Numberwank? No nation, no matter how large, could maintain an Air Force this size, I'm not even going to mention your land forces. Otherwise, it looks fine.It speaks for itself this airforce is maintained by both Holy Panooly (2.6 frightening 100%) and Guffingford (3.4 frightening 100%). I RPed the merging of the two nations a month ago, the numbers of both warmachines have been combined.

EDIT: I made this thread to have no numberwanking but I changed it yesterday to include my military. If you know the nation Holy Panooly having a big landforce is pointless, the entire continent is covered by very dense jungle, huge mountains and deep swamps.

you should name all your naval vessels.

Hm, so HP is an undeveloped primeval pit in which two and a half billion people enjoy the benefits of a gigantic and booming economy?

Gosh, that's lucky! Zapadslavia's a giant undeveloped marsh-ridden pit in which people struggle to make a living without major land development or infrastructure.

Massive economical development is on the coast, inland there are many vast mining complexes. Single one yields not much, but all together they add up. the HP continent is a great depot for intercontinental trade in my region. Another major part of the diverse economy is the seemingly inexhaustible amount of ancient artfacts sold to musea around the world.

OOC: Lol!

I tried to name all my Legions once, I got to about thirty five and couldn't think of any more decent names, so I gave up just adding names to my 'elite' Legions.

Oh, Inkana... Considering that Frightening is several times the power of the US Economy, and the fact that HP is a dual Empire of two rather large nations I can't see a problem with him RPing forces of this size like he does. (He skimps on the training if I remember rightly).

For example, I RP with an combined of Airforce of 20,000 Aircraft... Why?

No Navy, A lot of Heavy Transport craft, Slightly dated equipment (Harriers) etc.

You can RP with those kind of sizes as long as it is done well and correctly, not many people mind. (which is why I've limited myself to smallish deployments and to facilitate this will be re-organising meh military today).

Look at this way, at least he's not doing a DA and saying he has a well trained 130 million men army (or so I am told).

You list snipers seperately... next you'll be listing every officer, communications technician, logistician and mechanic.

You list snipers seperately... next you'll be listing every officer, communications technician, logistician and mechanic.No idea why, maybe I'll come up with a good reason. Eh...

You list snipers seperately... next you'll be listing every officer, communications technician, logistician and mechanic.

Snipers are generally listed seperately, they are usually a different Corps, so they need to be so.

That amounts to 33,500 aircraft. And you claim to not Numberwank? No nation, no matter how large, could maintain an Air Force this size, I'm not even going to mention your land forces. Otherwise, it looks fine.Go tell that to ViZion who manages to have 13,000 more than me while having 11 trillion less on defence.

Since when have snipers been in a seperate corp? There isn't a sniper corp in any country, there might be marksmen in a squad but you won't find a seperate unit called "1st Sniping Division"

Army, Navy -Marines-, Airforce but that certainly doesn't mean Snipers goes next to that lot or is considered something seperate such as most marine forces.

-taggggggggged-

Oh yeah!

A couple of questions, OOCly, about your navy.

Those Essex carriers, are they the old US ones or newer replacements? Same with Yorktown.

Argh, to make it simpler you got any links to the naval stuff for me to browse??

Newer replacements of course.

30,000+ aircraft is fully maintainable by any of the old nations with a huge economy. I have > 32,000 aircraft. About a third are unmanned UCAVs though. Need to post one of these of my own. Or bump the old one when I've updated it.

Mc if I wasn't after yer blood I'd fit right in the CAD believe you me.

TBH about two months ago, before Brimstone, I was contemplating dropping out of the NWO and applying to the RWC after a huge rebellion.

TBH about two months ago, before Brimstone, I was contemplating dropping out of the NWO and applying to the RWC after a huge rebellion.Seriously, I never expected that.

OOC: Yeah, I was getting bored of the goody-goody stuff.

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OOC: Yeah, I was getting bored of the goody-goody stuff. It's never too late to stop being nice and happy!

Wait. You've combined the militaries and budgets of two nations, as well as their populations?

That may not be numberwanking, but it sure as hell is puppetwanking.

Wait. You've combined the militaries and budgets of two nations, as well as their populations?

That may not be numberwanking, but it sure as hell is puppetwanking.Not population, only IC economies; not the thirdgeek stats. It gives me some advantages like easier trade but that's it.

you should name all your naval vessels.[OOC: Oy! I have enough trouble coming up with names when I only choose names to help a particular RP! I used Escheqeur as a ship name, for Chrissakes!

One thing to keep in mind besides a merged country (HP and Guffingford) is the fact that militaries in NS are much, much larger than RL militaries because of the insanely large populations of NS countries. I mean, I've got 1.9 billion people and I'm only ranked 12,000-something in the world according to the UN report.

I think when countries get as large as 200 million or so IRL, it stops being effective to just throw more and more people into a given military. You have to start considering effects of an economy. The U.S. has less than one percent of its population in all the branches, and many of those are logistics and support personnel.

Having said all that, it looks like a good arrangement, though I'm not an army expert by any stretch.]