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Please do not reply to this post. For those who have posted there was a problem with official NATO approval, a misunderstanding, so the ultimatum was not official. I deeply appologise to NATO.

If people could alter delete their posts here that would be great.

Dimmimar finds these terms unreasonable. DPUO has it in for CM, not Nato...

It has been approved by NATO.

Do you really think this will work.He will reject it!

The decision was pretty much unanimous among all of the members of NATO, to give this second ultimatum. It wasn't just DPUO behind it.

Actually, my input was restricted to the wording of it. In any case, the approval for this came from the NATO Board; they have the power to alter/reject a document as they see fit.

"And God said, let there be hostility."
- Cafe Patron in Hadula

"Hm? Oh, Communist Mississippi. The terms are a bit unreasonable, I mean, I wouldn't mind if they were spouting out that racist filth, as long as they didn't commit anything illegal, its fine by me. To each their own, though I still don't directly oppose NATO's decision. For all I care, Jackson City could burn. On that occasion, I think I would crack open that bottle I have been saving for such an event."
- Julio Ganamaki, national celebrity and lawyer, Philantropist Party

"We will not intefere, we have a larger crisis on our hands with the Holy Panooly invasion and we have no right to meddle in NATO's affairs."
- Nina Falastur, press secretary for the Triumverate

"I say this is a time for celebration, this is just another step for bringing the people of Mississippi into truth and equality. I would like to see the look on Fabus's face after hearing this."
- Dominus Pele Kawau, Nativist Party

I confirm that the Congressinal board and leader of NATO have endorsed this ultimatum. We are willing to enforce it.

Jim. F. Tuesat.
PM of Celack
Leader of NATO.

OOC: I guess I am confused by the fact that he would be responsible for his Citizen's Actions. The only way that would be possible is if he were to implement severe punishments, if they know they get off with a slap on the wrist or jail-time they are likely to do it again. It is simplely unlogical to enforce that, I'd be more worried about the civilians finding this loop-hole and crushing the entire document you give. Either remove or "lighten up" on that issue, for it seems more like you want him to violate it then anything else.

With the approval of NATO, I post the second ultimatum to CM, concerning Human Rights.

1) CM must only use the Death Penalty for Murder

2) CM must not torture, mentally or physically, anybody, no matter how serious a crime he or she has committed.

3) CM must not commit any discrimination of race, colour (color) or any other ethnic group. This offence should be made a crime

4) CM must not support any militant group which violates any of these terms, it must do it's best to stop their actions.

5) None of these terms may be loopholed. Any other serious human rights abuses not forbidden here being committed by CM may also constitute breakage of this ultimatum

6) Use of allies of CM to break the treaty will constitute loopholing and NATO will hold CM responsible for their actions.


7) CM will be held responsible for its citizens actions.

8) CM must allow NATO inspectors into his nation to assess whether CM is breaking this ultimatum. It must also allow spy satellites and aircraft over for the same reason.

9) CM will be held responsible for its citizens actions.

10) Should CM directly break any of these terms bar terms 5, 6 and 7 then action will be taken immediately. However, a notification that the ultimatum has possibly been broken is likely to be given. If CM should break term 5, 6 or 7 then it will be given notification of the violation but action will still be taken immediately.

Jonothana, with input from DPUO.

The Government of Sevaris is of the opinion that NATO really has no right to boss nations which do not belong to it around. However, we feel all these terms are acceptable, save for Term One, because there are other cases where the death penalty could be applied.
-Kaiser Alec.

All the terms are acceptable, and all the terms will be enforced. We urge CM to accept these proposals immediately and unconditionally.

ooc: He accepted your first ultimatum. I expect that he will not accept this one. Your cannot legislate the actions of another independent and sovereign nation.

ic:
ITD condemns this ultimatum.

Aust agrees with this ultimatuma and will aid NATO in enforcing it.

I think that is a positive note for your acceptance to NATO.

We support this ultimatum. CM has allowed his citizens to engage in the massacre of Muslims and has even considered nuclear weapon usage. It is about time someone stood up to him.

Nazguul sees this as yet another situation in where NATO sticks it's nit-picking nose where it doesn't belong. Should NATO attempt to issue ultimatums to us, we will spit in your faces.

We if the Human Imperial Republic of Industrial Experiment condemn this gross abuse of power and breaches of Communist Mississippi's own national sovereignty and right to self-determination. Such acts are the most dispicible things a human being can do, not anything that Communist Mississippi has done. We urge CM to reject these terms, and we also warn the NATO alliance that we will not hesitate to use our remaining sea-fleet to protect CM from outside influence.

Also be warned that, should you attack our Earth Base in any way, which doesn't include the ships themselves, I will immediately call upon my space fleets to waste whatever forces you have in the area of said base.

Business Council Notice 01287465t

Signed,
John Haversport

Message from the President


Ahh a newly reformed alliance pushing its weight around, how cute.

Wonder if it will work?

Only time will tell.

End

We support this ultimatum. CM has allowed his citizens to engage in the massacre of Muslims and has even considered nuclear weapon usage. It is about time someone stood up to him.


I do recall that his citizens in Western Sahara have been massacred against by muslims. They started the conflict.


I stand by CM!

Official Statement from The Soviet Democratic Empire of The Island of Rose:

We're just trying to make the world just a little bit better. Eh, of course, hate NATO day... eh.
-Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rosta Einvach

((OOC: Industrial we're m0dern man.))

I do recall that his citizens in Western Sahara have been massacred against by muslims. They started the conflict.


I stand by CM!

Official Statement from The Soviet Democratic Empire of The Island of Rose:

How surprising...
-Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rosta Einvach

OoC: I know. The thing is, I still have a rather sizable modern tech fleet that I technically never sold, so, I'm going to use it. However, any attacks on my base of operations on Earth would be considered a direct declaration of war on me, so I would repond with all needed force.

With the approval of NATO, I post the second ultimatum to CM, concerning Human Rights.

Our human rights record is beyond reproach, those who obey are fine, those who rebel and use terrorism (The Jihadists in WS who attack christian civilians and behead CM Pows) get no quarter. We don't coddle criminals.


1) CM must only use the Death Penalty for very serious crimes.

CM has her own opinions on what a serious crime is. We consider murder, rape, robbery, miscegenation, terrorism, sedition, rebellion, heresy, blasphemy, and a few other crimes, to be "hanging crimes"


2) CM must not torture, mentally or physically, anybody, no matter how serious a crime he or she has committed.

We don't coddle criminals, we don't torture them for fun though. Laws have clearly established that only intelligence operatives may use torture, and only against enemy spies that they sincerely believe know vital information, and are withholding it.


3) CM must not commit any discrimination of race, colour (color) or any other ethnic group. This offence should be made a crime

The government doesn't discriminate against anybody. As for the matter of equality, under Western Saharan Commonwealth law, all people of all races and religions were equal under the law. The muslims didn't like non-muslims being able to practice their religions though, so that is why there is the Jihad going on. We will not tell our citizens what to do in their private lives. Where will this end? Will you say our women must not use racial criteria for choosing a mate? We laugh at this.



4) CM must not support any militant group which violates any of these terms, it must do it's best to stop their actions.

We have not supported any militant groups. Ooc- the CMB is not a CM backed group, it is merely comprised of CM citizens, and it was a defunct group until the muslims Jihaded in Western Sahara.



5) None of these terms may be loopholed. Any other serious human rights abuses not forbidden here being committed by CM may also constitute breakage of this ultimatum

When did I ever violate your first ultimatum? I'm tired of playing the appeasement game. I let your kind talk me out of Angola and Libya... Over 8 million whites and blacks died because of marxist violence in Angola. You don't care about human rights, you just want to shove CM around.



6) Use of allies of CM to break the treaty will constitute loopholing and NATO will hold CM responsible for their actions.

So now you seek to violate my allies sovereignty?



7) CM will be held responsible for its citizens actions in defiance of this ultimatum.

I will be held responsible for nothing. I spit on this second ultimatum. I willingly accepted the first one to show I am a reasonable man. But you will not dictate the private actions of my citizens. We will mate with whom we want, rent housing to whom we want, and our immigration laws will remain as we want.



8) CM must allow NATO inspectors into his nation to assess whether CM is breaking this ultimatum. It must also allow spy satellites and aircraft over for the same reason.

I will not become another Iraq, we don't need the sort of marxist inspectors you'd surely send, to make sure our women aren't have "too many" white babies... I cannot stop spy satellites because they are something I am not willing to stop (I don't own space) but any unauthorized aircraft flying over CM will be brought down with SAMS or intercepted with fighters, after being warned to leave.


9) Should CM directly break any of these terms bar terms 5, 6 and 7 then action will be taken immediately. However, a notification that the ultimatum has possibly been broken is likely to be given. If CM should break term 5, 6 or 7 then it will be given notification of the violation but action will still be taken immediately.

Ooc- Should you "take action" I can and will go defcon 1 immediately and then we all lose... I'm busy studying law, so if I have to go down, I can take a few dozen people with me... It's really your call mostly, if you want to start a war on an unprecedented scale... The LOEL, NDA, numerous other alliances for freedom and national sovereignty, vs your New World Order authoritarian alliance. I stand for national sovereignty. The line is drawn, if you want to cross it, I suggest you start putting your citizens in deep nuclear shelters, and fast.


Public IC:
"We spit on most of this pathetic ultimatum. We will gladly seek to improve our human rights record, but it must be known that equality in Africa has already been achieved. The only problems in Africa are being caused by radical muslims in Western Sahara... But as for most of this ultimatum, I will tell you where you can shove it." Paul Stahlecker.

Secret IC:
CM is currently on defcon 2, chemical code 2, and full-red alert with naval and air forces.

OoC: I know. The thing is, I still have a rather sizable modern tech fleet that I technically never sold, so, I'm going to use it. However, any attacks on my base of operations on Earth would be considered a direct declaration of war on me, so I would repond with all needed force.

((OOC: And we'd attack you why? :P))

OoC: Just notin' as to what I'd do if you did ;)

3) CM must not commit any discrimination of race, colour (color) or any other ethnic group. This offence should be made a crime



Ooc- My nation's main religion demands that non-whites be kept separated from whites. To do this, would be an offense to over 700 million people in my nation. (Christian Identity is the main religion)

IC: "We're not going to let such an unreasonable organization that admits DPUO and IDF as members, tell us how our own sovereign nation will manage his own INTERNAL affairs. We have thus far abided by all terms of the first treaty we signed, we will not sign any treaty, such as this, that signs over our control over our own nation." Paul Stahlecker.

OOC: First of all, you cant hold his government responsible for those who break the laws. If he outlaws those things, and his citizens still do them, you cant hold the government responsible...

i mean, do you declare war on another nation, because a rogue soldier went against his orders and attacked? I think not. Do you attack another nation who is trying to stomp out a terrorist group within itself, when that terrorist group attacked you nation, accusing the other nation of aiding in terrorism? I think not.

IC:

"These issues that you wish to outlaw do not involve any international parties. You are being extremely aggressive, and have know right to do what you are doing. I ask you to please try and justify your actions to all of us. Until you can give a good reason for violating his soverieghty, nothing like, "Oh those things are bad...." then I shall hold fast my personal belief(which in no way effects the views of my nation) that NATO really wants to attack CM and are just trying to justify the war they so dearly want...."
-Government Official(who shall remain namelesss).

"What you are doing is incredibly wrong. We will stand by CM. I spit in your general direction, and bid you all a swell time in Hell for your actions."
-The God Falltothzu

Official Statement from the Congressional Board of NATO

It must be noted that this Ultimatium is the result of independent work from several NATO members, it has not been officially established as a NATO backed resolution. At this time the Congressional Board is putting this Ultimatium to a vote.

This Ultimatium does not currently reflect the official position or policies of NATO.

Issued on Behalf of the Congressional Board by:
Hamptonshire
Chairman of the Board

6) Use of allies of CM to break the treaty will constitute loopholing and NATO will hold CM responsible for their actions.

ITD has never committed any of the supposed "crimes" that you mention above. We don't actively discriminate. Hate crimes are illegal in ITD (if you would look at our constitution). The only activelaws based on race consists of breeding laws, which make it illegal to a ninthian to breed with a non-ninthian. (We don't regulate relationships between other races)

We also disallow any person to own automatic firearms. Ninthians may only own HUNTING weapons of small calibre.

ITD has never committed any of the supposed "crimes" that you mention above. We don't actively discriminate. Hate crimes are illegal in ITD (if you would look at our constitution). The only activelaws based on race consists of breeding laws, which make it illegal to a ninthian to breed with a non-ninthian. (We don't regulate relationships between other races)

We also disallow any person to own automatic firearms. Ninthians may only own HUNTING weapons of small calibre.
OOC:what is a Ninthians?

President Ciel was quite troubled at the latest developments surrounding Communist Mississippi. Further, he was more than shocked when one of his aides asked him in a meeting, "So, Mr. President, what is your opinion of NATO's second ultimatum to Communist Mississippi?"

He stared blankly, and said, "What ultimatum?"

Another aide handed him the document detailing NATO's official ultimatum to CM. Ciel sighed in resignation. "You guys need to brief me more often. Go check with the State Department, I'd like to hear from our NATO ambassador."

"And next time," he growled. "I'd like you to notify me beforehand."

-

Several minutes later...

The Zoogiedom ambassador to NATO, Jarod Fordam, was located and patched into a secure line with the President. "What ultimatum?" he said blankly, responding to Ciel's question.

"Christ," muttered Ciel.

Official Statement from Zoogiedom

This ultimatum has not been backed or approved by the Congressional Board, as indicated by Hamptonshire just minutes ago. We will not, repeat, will not recognize this as a NATO ultimatum until then, regardless of how many NATO members approve of it.

Kahta will stand by Communist Mississippi.

King MacDonald

OOC:what is a Ninthians?

essentially Northern German

Communist Louisiana will stand behind Communist Mississippi. NATO is a power hungry group who wishes to dominate anyone who doesn't believe in its views. We fill that NATO is breaking the soverieghty of Communist Mississippi and is trying to make a reason to go to war with CM.

We will not allow this to happen. People with large egos (not all members of NATO, I know some of them who are against this new set of laws) control NATO. If they declair war on Communist Mississippi for this unreasonable set of laws, then they will have to fight against the vast red Empire of Communist Louisiana.

Premier Bobby Jindal
Head of the Communist Party of Louisiana
New Orleans, LA, Communist Louisiana

TO: CM
FROM: CL

Even though we do not see eye to eye on many things, we will not let the soverieghty of any nation be violated by these corporate police dogs. We will stand by your side because if we do not stand against this now, they will continue to push other nations around and we will not see this happen.

We will also open our prisons and capital punishment centers for use to your nations police force. They may try not to allow you to exicute prisoners who committed horrible crimes, but we will be more then happy to sit these offenders to the electric chair at Angola.

Official Statement from the Congressional Board

By majority vote, the Congressional Board has voted to reject the Ultimatum presented by Jonothana and DPUO. This Ultimatum is not an official policy of NATO and does not represent the current viewpoints of the New Alliance Treaty Organization.

Thank you.

Issued on Behalf of the Congressional Board by:
Hamptonshire
Chairman of the Board

Official Statement from the Congressional Board

By majority vote, the Congressional Board has voted to reject the Ultimatum presented by Jonothana and DPUO. This Ultimatum is not an official policy of NATO and does not represent the current viewpoints of the New Alliance Treaty Organization.

Thank you.

Issued on Behalf of the Congressional Board by:
Hamptonshire
Chairman of the Board



Secret IC to Hamptonshire: "We in CM, speaking for CM and the entire LOEL, are very worried about recent NATO posturing. We would wish that your organization consider that several of your members have platforms that are incompatible with the NATO spirit. We think you should consider a vote to "give the boot" to these people and "send them packing". For it would be a great day when NATO could proudly live up to it's ideals of national sovereignty, free from the influences of members that seek to limit said sovereignty. We believe you know what members we are referring to, and we respectfully ask you bring this matter before the NATO Congressional Board." Paul Stahlecker.

* All nations are given the right to rule in sovereignty, NATO, the International Consortium Court, may not pass any statute that interferes with the sovereignty of a member nation. Save in place of sanctions or other disciplinary actions that may be decided upon by the International Consortium Court.
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347871

For an alliance, which strictly protects its own member's sovereignty, it seems hell-bent on violating CM's sovereign rights.

ITD reaffirms its support for CM.

Official Statement from the Congressional Board

By majority vote, the Congressional Board has voted to reject the Ultimatum presented by Jonothana and DPUO. This Ultimatum is not an official policy of NATO and does not represent the current viewpoints of the New Alliance Treaty Organization.

Thank you.

Issued on Behalf of the Congressional Board by:
Hamptonshire
Chairman of the Board

Thanks a lot- nice to know there are sane people in NATO.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=347871

For an alliance, which strictly protects its own member's sovereignty, it seems hell-bent on violating CM's sovereign rights.

ITD reaffirms its support for CM.

NATO does not wish to inhibit the rights of any sovereign and independent nation, this matter is the result of a few NATO members acting without the blessing of the Congressional Board.

In recognition of NATO's official decision to reject the ultimatum, we are lowering our defensive alert.

We also ask NATO to deal with those nations who would seek to issue NATO decree's without NATO's consent.

TO: Hamptonshire
FROM: CL

We thank you for standing up against certain warmongers in your organization. You are one of the few nations who bring some sort of respect to NATO. I would advise you though that you should maybe get rid of some of your warmonger members. They will do nothing for the organization except make it look bad and drag your alliance into unessesary wars.

Again, we thank you and other nations who stood up against this set of laws that would have destroyed the soverieghty of a nation who seems to be trying to clean up their act. We would be also honored to allow to host one of your nations embassies in New Orleans. This would also be a good location to hold talks with CM being only some fifty miles away from his border in the event that something would happen.

Premier Bobby Jindal
Head of the Communist Party of Louisiana
New Orleans, LA, Communist Louisiana

OOC: What was the FIRST ultimatum, anyway?

OOC: What was the FIRST ultimatum, anyway?
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350002&highlight=NATO+ultimatum

NATO does not wish to inhibit the rights of any sovereign and independent nation, this matter is the result of a few NATO members acting without the blessing of the Congressional Board.
West Cedarbrook views the NATO action favorably. We are against inhibiting the rights of a soverign nation.

We also deplore some of the actions of Communist Mississippi and urge more carefull consideration on their part in the future.

what is the proble with this CM guy?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350002&highlight=NATO+ultimatum

OoC: You're kidding me...if I was still entirely modern tech, I'd be putting together an alliance right now to topple NATO as a matter of principle.

To: Premier Bobby Jindal, Communist Louisiana
From: Office of the Foreign Minister, Grand Duchy of Hamptonshire

While the Congressional Board may have rejected the proposed Ultimatium, neither the Board nor its members in anyway condone the past or present actions of Communist Mississippi. This Government and the Congressional Board both feel that change is absolutely necessary in CM, however the violation of the sovereign rights of an independent government is unthinkable.

As for the issue of 'certain' members of NATO, we ask that just as other ask NATO not interfere with internal matters of a nation, so we ask that you not interfere with the internal matters of NATO. The Congressional Board will work to ensure that the mistakes of the past will not continue, however any undue action by outside members to pursuade or influence the members of the Congressional Board will be met with hostility.

This Government will take the invitation of the Government of Communist Louisiana and shall establish an embassy in your nation. While this embassy will serve to establish diplomatic relations without your nation, more importantly it shall function as a facility where NATO and CM leaders can come together to ensure the satisifaction of all sides on matters of importance.

Thank you.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/hamptonshire/000005258_sxswbartleby1x.jpg
Lord Patrick Easton
Foreign Minister
President of the Privy Council

[Offical Iuthian Statement]

I'll keep this brief, as the current incidents in the Klatch region as of more concern to me at this moment in time. However it needs to be said that this misrepresentation reflects poorly on the displine of the NATO alliance.

Generally we don't really like to comment much on such affairs, but we feel that the demands in this case seem to have little explaination as to their reason, leading us to beleive that it's more a matter of controlling the laws of a nation you don't like... we recognise they did not have the authority to make demands and claim that NATO backed them, but we feel that such a lack of control is dangerous in a alliance holding so many nations with aggressive politics.

We would suggest harsh disaplinery measures to assure that your members understand that they cannot speak for the alliance without permission to do so from those with the authority.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps.

(Didn't see the above... posted at the same time... :p)

TO: Hamptonshire
FROM: CL

We have worked endlessly to stop a war from comming to the beautiful Gulf of Mexico region. We were one of the main factors that negociated(sp?) to CM to leave Africa to stop a possible. While we understand that people do have things against CM, we do believe that it is changing slowly but surely and we applaude the attemps made by CM to change its ways.

As for embassies, we have the old International alliance building open for your diplomats. Its a very nice 200,000 sq. foot building located on the Mississippi River with its own personal docks leading into the river and 3 helicopter pads. If this is suitable for you diplomats, please do not hesitate to begin moving in.

Premier Bobby Jindal
Head of the Communist Party of Louisiana
New Orleans, LA, Communist Louisiana

OCC: Wow, Iuthia and CL actually agreeing on something. It must getting really cold in hell at this time.

The Omzian Democratic Federal Republic, as a member of NATO and member of the Congressional Board, would like to note that instead of NATO as a whole, only certain part of NATO has decided to make such decisions without the approval of a whole. We do not feel that it is suitable to issue this ultimatum in the name of the whole of the NATO alliance, nor has it passed any approval of the Congressional Board. We feel that as a member of NATO, the organization is to be a peaceful organization promoting stability and coopreation. We feel that this representation of the alliance does not necessarily fit our image.

As we feel that some actions taken by Communist Mississippi are to be uncivilized and deplorable, we do not in any way condone a forced change of internal and domestic policies of the Communist Mississippi government by force and aggression through outside interference, nor do we support any military conflict, regardless of any scale, against Communist Mississippi, but we urge the parties of NATO and Communist Mississippi respectviely to respect the basic rights of a nation. With this, we declare our neutrality between both parties. We will not participate in any military operations against Communist Mississippi taken by the parties from our organziation.

The Omzian Demcoratic Federal Republic hopes and urges for peace between the two parties, and as we agree with our Iuthian counterpart on some of the opinions, we also hope that demands could be eased in the interest of seeking diplomacy and stability, and that war and aggression could be kept away as far as possible. We also urge, with Hamptonshire, that other NATO members stay away from such conflict, and we also urge the NATO members whom are taking action against Communist Mississippi now to cease their declaration of the ultimatum as NATO-backed and supported, as not only many parties within NATO are against it, but also to ease tensions between Communist Mississippi and NATO as a whole.

Ministry of Foreign Affairs,
Omzian Demcoratic Federal Republic

With the approval of NATO, I post the second ultimatum to CM, concerning Human Rights.

1) CM must only use the Death Penalty for very serious crimes.

2) CM must not torture, mentally or physically, anybody, no matter how serious a crime he or she has committed.

3) CM must not commit any discrimination of race, colour (color) or any other ethnic group. This offence should be made a crime

4) CM must not support any militant group which violates any of these terms, it must do it's best to stop their actions.

5) None of these terms may be loopholed. Any other serious human rights abuses not forbidden here being committed by CM may also constitute breakage of this ultimatum

6) Use of allies of CM to break the treaty will constitute loopholing and NATO will hold CM responsible for their actions.


7) CM will be held responsible for its citizens actions in defiance of this ultimatum.

8) CM must allow NATO inspectors into his nation to assess whether CM is breaking this ultimatum. It must also allow spy satellites and aircraft over for the same reason.

9) Should CM directly break any of these terms bar terms 5, 6 and 7 then action will be taken immediately. However, a notification that the ultimatum has possibly been broken is likely to be given. If CM should break term 5, 6 or 7 then it will be given notification of the violation but action will still be taken immediately.

Jonothana, with input from DPUO.


I Disagree!
CONCERNING;
1.), 2.), 3.)
It is the right of the nation and its sovereignty to dictate its laws and punishments.
4.)
It is the right of the nation to sponsor any political groups operating inside its national borders.
5.), 6.)
Again, it is not the right of an alliance to dictate the actions of a sovereign nation.
7.)
CM is already responsible for its citizens actions IN CM LAW.
8.)
It is the sovereign right of a nation whether to let peoples from other nationalities into its national borders.


NOTING;
That rules;
5.), 6.), 9.) Are blatant actions of warmongering.

STATING;
That Hogsweat will act against NATO if it uses hostile actions against Communist Mississipi.



That is all.

STATING;
That Hogsweat will act against NATO if it uses hostile actions against Communist Mississipi.

[Clearly someone didn't read the end of the thread, only the begging.]

OOC: One wonders if there will be an ultimatum requiring CM to change its name due to not actually being a Communist nation...

((OOC: Okay people, nothing to see here, move along, move along))

The twin governments of Dakara both agree that the recent ultimatum against the soverign nation of Communist Mississippi by certain elements of NATO is simply an act of warmongering, aimed only at the destruction of CM's soverignty. We are glad that the council of NATO has rejected this affront to sovereignty, and we hope that they will reject the warmongers themselves. We do not support CM, but we support the Warmongering actions of certain elements of NATO less.



-Premier Zukhov & Emperor Dak

There was actually a (unintentional) misuse of power, and everybody involved (including me) has appologised.

The Ku Klux Klan looks unfavorably to this rogue faction of NATO. Not only do they hurt the image of the alliance by acting without the support of all NATO members, they show the audacity to inflict their will on a sovereign nation. The fact of the matter is that Communist Mississippi has created a a wonderful society. One that upholds truth, justice, and moral values.

We hope that NATO gets their act together, in order for the organization to be seen with respect; not of conflict.


-KKK-

Unfortuanatley I have to reliterate myself, this time in more detail. There was NOT a rouge faction. Due to retirement there was an election for a new leader. The leader elect, who has actually yet to be officially instated, misunderstood his power and authorised for the posting of this, and I, forgetting part of the Charter, posted it. The Congressional Board, a 5 nation council which runs NATO, had to give approval. The Ultimatum was not put to vote. When it was put to vote later it was rejected. Me and the Leader Elect (Celack) have appologised.

There was actually a (unintentional) misuse of power, and everybody involved (including me) has appologised.


ooc: You accidentally typed it up and posted it... Yeah right, oh well, I don't hold this against NATO.

ooc: You accidentally typed it up and posted it... Yeah right, oh well, I don't hold this against NATO.
You don't get it CM, the mistake was one in procedure as NATO is undergoing a time of change in leadership. Our new leader was mistaken with proper procedure and there was mis-communication along the way. It above all is a communication's problem that will be worked on. Even I thought the CB approved it upon looking on the boards, but I misunderstood.

[OOC - ???]

IC - Repeat above.

You don't get it CM, the mistake was one in procedure as NATO is undergoing a time of change in leadership. Our new leader was mistaken with proper procedure and there was mis-communication along the way. It above all is a communication's problem that will be worked on. Even I thought the CB approved it upon looking on the boards, but I misunderstood.

ooc: so once this change in leadership does occur, the ultimatum will come back?

ooc: so once this change in leadership does occur, the ultimatum will come back?
No because the CB voted it down

There may be an edited/completely new version of it, but accounting this, it's not likley.

So no one is controlling CM anymore. Dear God...

So no one is controlling CM anymore. Dear God...


"The bible controls CM! We are a nation of God! And we will keep our word with past agreements because our Christian God doesn't allow for lying, unlike some other false gods." Joseph Mladic.

"The bible controls CM! We are a nation of God! And we will keep our word with past agreements because our Christian God doesn't allow for lying, unlike some other false gods." Joseph Mladic.

[OOC - Yes, yes...]

TO: NATO
FROM: CL

We see that there are a few in your "organization" who pretend that they are supported by a majority to drag the rest of your "organization" into an unjust war. We would prefer to see Jonothana, DontPissUsOff, and other nations involved to be punished for their crimes. They are both warmongers and they point and yell at people who do the same as they.

It makes them look bad of course, but by naming the topic NATO's Second Ultimatum to Communist Mississippi it drags down the rest of the organization. It makes NATO look extremely unprofessional and shows that NATO has a lack of organization to the rest of the world.

OOC: The "First" Ultimatium is still in effect and shall always be so until the Congressional Board deems otherwise.

You are very fortunate that there are "warmongers" to keep the likes of YOU safe from people like HIM. But then, you wouldn't think so would you, because you've never been under threat from these creatures, nor have your ancestors. You've not been invaded once, or bombed once by another power. We have. When you were happy just to sit there and say "what a shame", WE fought Nazism, alone, and we did it for two years before the likes of YOU could get off your fat backsides and do something! You call me a warmonger, and you support the Nazis? Well whatever floats your boat, which I can only assume is made from a folded one hundred dollar bill, and has a small shrine to money at the back. It's people like you, the ones who sit around and do nothing at all when crazed dictators like this arise and persecute their people, that are the warmongers; because eventually, some group of poor buggers has to go in and sort them out in order to stop yet more people dying.

OOC: Where is the first ultimatum?

You are very fortunate that there are "warmongers" to keep the likes of YOU safe from people like HIM. But then, you wouldn't think so would you, because you've never been under threat from these creatures, nor have your ancestors. You've not been invaded once, or bombed once by another power. We have. When you were happy just to sit there and say "what a shame", WE fought Nazism, alone, and we did it for two years before the likes of YOU could get off your fat backsides and do something! You call me a warmonger, and you support the Nazis? Well whatever floats your boat, which I can only assume is made from a folded one hundred dollar bill, and has a small shrine to money at the back. It's people like you, the ones who sit around and do nothing at all when crazed dictators like this arise and persecute their people, that are the warmongers; because eventually, some group of poor buggers has to go in and sort them out in order to stop yet more people dying.

OOC: I was under the impression that you were going to ignore him. Well, I guess you have him the word of George W. Bush: 95% lies.

OOC: Where is the first ultimatum?


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350002&highlight=NATO+ultimatum

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350002&highlight=NATO+ultimatum


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Its not that I support Nazi's but, I would support any nation that is being violated by your corporate police state. What is sad is that YOU (DPUO) have called me a warmonger and slung mud like that. But, I guess its ok that YOU can warmonger.

Just a far warning, your asking for an ass kicking and if I had enough support to back me, I would happily deliver that ass kicking to you.

I'm saying this from a neutral perspective on this entire thread.

CL: Just by you responding to DPUO like that, you're proving that you are a warmongerer as well. I wouldn't suggest saying things like that.

And also, the nations involved in the release of the 2nd Ultimatum will be punished accordingly for misrepresenting the entire organization of NATO. We're working to fix these communication problems.

Kahta maintains that DPUO is the only warmongerer.

King MacDonald

It's people like you, the ones who sit around and do nothing at all when crazed dictators like this arise and persecute their people, that are the warmongers; because eventually, some group of poor buggers has to go in and sort them out in order to stop yet more people dying.

You have to sort dictators out? But we don't bug you about your inefficient democracies and there are many democratic governments who oppress their people more then my benevolent dictatorship does.

However, I respect a nations soveriegn right to rule it's people how they wish, regardless of how they do it. The most I'm going to do is condemn their violent methods, should that be the case.

I don't presume it my job to declare war on such nations, afterall, one of you democratic dumbasses may start saying that Iuthia needs democracy, a nation which has always been under a system of dictatorship and always will be. It's because of nations like you I seek to join alliances like the Non-Democratic Alliance. They seek diplomacy as a first course of action, they don't just deploy troops and piss in other nations waters because they are "offended" at their policies.

We can understand that Communist Louisiana are both cowards and have in the past started wars with no attempts to resolve the situation peacefully, but they were right to an extent... if you don't want to be seen as warmongerers then I would suggest not going to war over issues which are a nations own problems.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

You have to sort dictators out? But we don't bug you about your inefficient democracies and there are many democratic governments who oppress their people more then my benevolent dictatorship does.

However, I respect a nations soveriegn right to rule it's people how they wish, regardless of how they do it. The most I'm going to do is condemn their violent methods, should that be the case.

I don't presume it my job to declare war on such nations, afterall, one of you democratic dumbasses may start saying that Iuthia needs democracy, a nation which has always been under a system of dictatorship and always will be. It's because of nations like you I seek to join alliances like the Non-Democratic Alliance. They seek diplomacy as a first course of action, they don't just deploy troops and piss in other nations waters because they are "offended" at their policies.

We can understand that Communist Louisiana are both cowards and have in the past started wars with no attempts to resolve the situation peacefully, but they were right to an extent... if you don't want to be seen as warmongerers then I would suggest not going to war over issues which are a nations own problems.

Thanks,

Foriegn Minister Mick Lakely, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

Democracies are indeed inefficent.

We would like to point out that CL has not been in any major conflict for more then 60 (NS) years. We have sent money to groups in other nations, we have provided defense for other nations, but we have not pursued a war in many years and we have worked to stop war. Take for instance our work with CM to get him out of Africa without war breaking out.

Meh, the fact remains that you never really did show remorse for annexing a nation which was no threat to you. I don't care what you've done since then, but from what little I've seen your still rude and you still seem to use agressive diplomacy, the kind that threatens peolpe.

Meanwhile, I ignore and always have ignored RL nations claims because they are wank.

But meh, the comment wasn't made out to you, it was about you.

Ahem. Please do not reply to this thread means just that, especially if it's off topic.