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With the Mekantan suprise attack on the Monolith at Normandeicht, as well as other installations, and the subsequent Federal counter-attack, The Federation High Council has issued a formal declaration of war upon the nation of Mekanta.

The Federation realizes that war with Mekanta may open up hostilities with major inter-galactic powers, leading to catastrophic wars. So be it.

The Federation will not sit idly by while a nation, weak from its own wars, attacks the memorials to the millions who valiantly rallied around the Federal World of Normandeicht.

The Nation of Mekanta can burn in the fires of our wrath.

ooc: Heh heh... target practice for the Black Fleet...

-OOC-
You're forgetting that Mekanta still has two of its fleets left. And the only two territories left are Sol and the Nexus.

Sol you can't attack without walking straight into CF's armada as well. So attacking Mekanta's Sol Base is suicide.

And the Nexus lies outside of Truespace, which means you have to gain the transpacial frequency of Mekanta's realm. Further, it's broken into several smaller realms which have to be traversed in order. Nine circles, about ten rings each, about ten spheres each ring. Impedement fields grow stronger with each level. Plane-wide FTLi save portals created from The Void which lies as the "Tenth Circle" of Mekanta. Points of interest: The Third Circle, also known as "The Gauntlet". Lots of defences.

So, yeah, you're welcome to try to attack Mekanta's remaining territories that aren't covered by the Sol and Core/Thanatos Fleets. But those are already being evacuated to Sol and the Nexus.


Sorry about the lack of a good post, but I'm going to bed.

#Taggy# More target practice for my next generation assault ships.

OOC:
Tag, because when Mekanta and her allies attack, I stand the best chance of saving your civies from a horrible fate if I'm there when things go down.

Just a note the UFP an d TFU is nutral..just fight out of UFP terrritory .. any way [TAG!]

In response to this declaration of war, the Wettic navy has been put on full alert and the expeditionary fleet has been prepared for immidiate deployement.

Shadow Tech's vast fighter swarms are being recalled and mobilized, along with the 5 Wither Carriers, in response to the declaration.
-TaG-

OOC:
Tag, because when Mekanta and her allies attack, I stand the best chance of saving your civies from a horrible fate if I'm there when things go down.
-OOC-
His, for IC and OOC reasons.

IC reason: In the Mekantan Language, the characters that make up the word Mekanta are all "male" to indicate dominance, wisdom, and power. (Mekantan culture is very sexist in its basis. Then again, Mekantan physiology is very sexist, so yeah...)

OOC reason: Mekanta's player is a guy. And since that's OOC, you called me a girl.

Therefore...

*tentacle rapes Kanuckistan*


And good boy, TFU. But you're also USF are you not? Abandon them if you don't want to get dragged in.


-IC-

-Central Command, Seventh Circle of the Nexus
All three of the Military Triumvirate were standing together scowling as the UFGZ made thier declaration of war.

"{Of Grand Armada, of status, to be?}" Axis growled, looking to Wolfe.

"{Of which, to be not.}"

"Tak'aath!" Axis cursed, spitting the single most obscene word in the Low Mekantan Language. He turned to X1 and sighed. "{Of fleets, ours to be, defend systems. Of Entities, Mekanta, to move quickly. Of which to go, Earth and the Nexus.}"

"{At once.}"

Axis stalked out of Central Command, closing his eyes. He didn't want a war, but the UFGZ had lied and started a war against the Steel Imperium. The first of the new Behemoths was still a thousand years away from completion, and only a fraction of the ships of the new Grand Armada were anywhere near finished.

But they would fight, with thier remaining forces and the new designs of the Grand Armada...

And the UFGZ would pay for thier sins against the Steel Imperium...

ooc> The AoN has already agreed to aid GZ with our full power.
[TAG]
Carry on.

OoC: I hope I can conclude my dealings with GZ before this goes into a full-out war so I can get in on some of the action.

By the way, ShadowTech, may I ask how large the Wither ships are? Also, I'd like to let you know that I'm still interested in a diplomatic RP with you as well.

High Admiral Schumacher pounded down the corridor. His flowing admiral's cape fluttered in his wake.

Fritz pushed his way through the half-open doors of the Chancellor's office, slamming his right palm down on the cherry-wood desk.

"Why wasn't I told about this before?! You send us into battle, knowing full well the risks, with nary a popgun compared to this! 12,000 people could have been saved!"

The Chancellor laced his fingers behind his head and leaned back in his grav chair. His voice was as cool as the floating bodies of the Federal dead. "There are some secrets that must be kept between a very few. We could not reveal our power to the enemy so quickly."

Schumacher started to shake. His face turned red; he looked about to explode. He stood up straight, turned around, inhaled loudly, deeply, and faced the Chancellor. "Damn you to the hell of our Ancestors! All the Navy is is a testing ground for your new toys, isn't it? That's all you think of us!" Fritz began to pant, wheezing ever now and then.

"Yes. Yes, alright? We test all our new ideas on the lives of our people. Is that what you want to hear? Is that what you want to believe? Just remember, the currents of power are not always visible." Yohanne sighed and uttured in a barely audible whisper, "Fritz, I'm sorry. Leave. The Reagan will report to Normandeicht along with the rest of the Federal Navy. Repairs and upgrades will be carried out. Dismissed."

The Admiral swiveled about without a word, his white Admiral's cape whipping around behind him, and shuffled out of the room.

ooc: when Industrial Experiment arrives at Normandeicht, he'll see over 600 ships there. Patrols are still being maintained within the Federation, so any attack will meet resistance until the Fleet arrives.

OoC: Hmm, I'm certain I'd be able to get worm-hole capable fleet there quickly, but do you think the battle would be able to last the day or so it would be required to get spurt-jump only ships to the system should I chose to back you? If so, I might want to warn you, should ShadowTech be amongst the attacking fleet, my ships will refrain from hitting their ships, I'm interested in a diplomatic relationship with him. I'm sure he wouldn't like to be enemies with me anyway, I know where his homeworld is ;).

The Third Battle of Normandeicht (:D) would be most amusing...

Withers are 7km and all of it unarmed :) . Well in a matter of speaking.
IE I am still intrested in the diplomatic thing but I got the impression that you were coming to my planet in that thread. If I am wrong please inform me. Btw you better not tell anyone where my homeworld is!

Don't worry, I won't. My nation is more interested in establishing alliances than starting wars. We've taken a particular interest in you, seeing as yours is the first extra-stellar nation we've met in almost a thousand years, and the other one was butt-ugly and interested only in killing as many humans as possible ;)

Also, I posted in a way describing the current climate in the system you said you were sending a ship back to to make sure the probe had been mine, not someone elses. I assumed we'd be able to do it in a way where the good admiral and his ship would come back to your system to have some talks. Everything I do right now operates under the assumption that any talks we might have were successful and we're living relatively peacefully together. That's why I said I wouldn't be shooting at you should I get involved on GZ's side in this conflict.

Sounds good. For now we can assume that the peace talks went as planned and then rp them out later.

OOC: Don't Declare war on the USF as most of them have said they would not have helped GZ.
Anyway I have snice left the USF but will rejion when this is worked out.

Yes, the ESUS should not attack the USF, as many USF nations have requested to remain nuetral. If the ESUS does attack the USF, it will show just how war-like and blood-thirsty that organization is.

Yes, the ESUS should not attack the USF, as many USF nations have requested to remain nuetral. If the ESUS does attack the USF, it will show just how war-like and blood-thirsty that organization is.

The ESUS quarrel is with you and you alone. Unless the USF as a whole gets involved, we will have no major reason to...expunge the alliance.

How comforting. BTW... If the AoN would send a few fleets to Normandeicht...

-OOC-
Only join GZ's side if you like lots of civillian casualties if your lines are broken. Mekanta will "accidently" mistake your cities for military depots during orbital bombardment. And those Yamato Cannons hit hard.

Like CF said, it's only if the USF is aiding you that they'll be targetted as well. Mekanta will target any non-allied (UA doesn't count as an ally) that's helping GZ. In about a week, IRL, the Grand Armada will be fully rebuilt with all of Mekanta's new toys. Then you're screwed. Psionics arrays standard on all ships larger than a Corvette.

OoC:

Good luck finding my territory to wreak whatever havoc you're threatening. As of now, only GZ and ShadowTech know of my existance, and only ShadowTech has any idea where even just the edge of my space is. Plus, you'd have a hard time pushing through my defensive fleets. Even the newest of my colonies is well defended, and I can get a worm-hole capable fleet there in an hour should any attack happen.

Anyway, as always, I hold a certain amount of disdain for someone who would target civilian populations for no other reason than spreading terror and chaos.

Mekanta: You'll wait 7 years for your fleet to be rebuilt? In that time we'll have much more powerful termporal or otherwise technology... as well as more ships...

-OOC-
It's not for terror and chaos. It's because Mekanta has a policy of total extermination of anyone who challenges them. IC cultural thing.

And there're ways of getting that information. Namely, Mekanta will "mind rape" any prisoners they take such as ejected pilots or crew members snatched away if shields go down.


And GZ, that's the whole fleet. Including the Godship. (Won't be used in combat. Too cheap of tactics.) As resource stockpiles go down, fewer ships will be made with each production cycle. About 130 ships are done now. Another 520 are under construction in the vats. Tomarrow, the first Behemoth will be done.

And I'm well aware of your advances in temporal technology. Spacial Lock Shields. You won't be able to break those with your time tech without Indra getting pissed and wiping you out. Tech spawned by my utter hatred of Temporal Weapons.

OoC:

Ah, that explains it.

And again, good luck finding any useful information from ejected pilots. The only people who know anything about locational coordinates are navigators and fleet commanders. Plus, the Proge my nation fought a thousand years ago were avid psychics, we have some built-in protections against such things, namely arteries and blood vessels of those in charge that burst immediately upon any detected intrusion. By the way, though, none of my ships use shields, merely EM fields that can deflect some types of attacks, ablative hulls, and very, very strong armor. Not to mention the honey-comb structure that makes all my ships very durable.

OoC:

Ah, that explains it.

And again, good luck finding any useful information from ejected pilots. The only people who know anything about locational coordinates are navigators and fleet commanders. Plus, the Proge my nation fought a thousand years ago were avid psychics, we have some built-in protections against such things, namely arteries and blood vessels of those in charge that burst immediately upon any detected intrusion.

Mekanta, if you need any help with interrogations, call me. A few days inside a sensory depravation tank will make anyone crack. ;)

Mekanta: Me thinks my Gravitational Weaponry will work. And, I don't think you could come up with such sheilds in a year... Also, we may have to research into the Human's hidden psykic abilities...

Mekanta: Me thinks my Gravitational Weaponry will work. And, I don't think you could come up with such sheilds in a year... Also, we may have to research into the Human's hidden psykic abilities...

OOC: He's been developing these shields for quite a bit of time actually. He just hasn't deployed them yet. (Understandable, seeing as how virtually his entire fleet was wiped out in an act of plot...)

*Pats mindshield in response to GZ's psionic research*

OOC: Yeah, if you attack Mekanta, I'll put a hurting on you. Mekanta, if you want me to help with the whole ship-building process, just ask. Or, if you want some more defense in your nexus system. Since I'm such a nice guy. Also, GZ, JJR has been recently thrusting further into gravitational weaponry. It's gotten to the point where we can have a loading bay full of shells, set up a gravity field, and be flinging the shells through manipulation of the field with enough force to destroy almost any ship with 1-3 shots.

OoC: I wouldn't want to tussle with you, JRR, I like you, and enjoyed RPing with you a while ago with the whole Uranium Island thing.

OoC: I wouldn't want to tussle with you, JRR, I like you, and enjoyed RPing with you a while ago with the whole Uranium Island thing.
OOC: I made good use of that island, too. Zerg-like genetic creations. They reproduce by injecting an assimilating bacteria and radioactive liquids and chemicals into the blood stream, plus sexual reproduction. Using this method, each generation could possibly evolve into something new. Along with the fact that they come in two flavors: sentient and calculating, or barbaristic, unthinking, swarming brutes, they can be quite dangerous. A specific mutation of them is good for boarding, since they can secrete gases, liquids, etc. into the carapace, allowing for boarding without a spacesuit or any kind. I'm very proud of them.

All shall fall before my wrath! :D

Gravitational weaponry means nothing to me. It cannot hurt me. You shall see.

OOC: Well, it's actually more like conventional weaponry. Just gravatic propelled. The fact that I can switch around the fields that fast is supposed to be the awe-inspiring part. The shells move at near-light-speed. Though, GZ, do you have FTLi?

OoC: Ooooh, that is most interesting. Was it worth the 14 Trillion you payed? (And of which I got 1 trillion *Cough* :D)

-OOC-
Yes, been developing them, the Transpace Wave Cannons to bypass temporal shields, some major modifications to the Yamato-Type mounts, the Void techs, and some heavy advancements to Mekanta's weapon systems.

Heh, and Mekanta doesn't need mind shields. You're dealing with a whole goddamn ship with an organic crew of a naturally psionic race and a ship with psionic systems made to rip apart ships with raw telekinetic force.

And yes, Grav Weapons will work, but only to a certain extent. The Void Lace does a pretty good job of keeping everything in its proper shape and neutralizing the effects of gravity inside to a certain extent. Really strong grav weapons, yeah, but Mekanta adapts quickly.

*looks at his four aces...*

I'm not revealing all my cards yet... bwa ha hah haahha haa... and I meant tech to defend against psi weapons...

The Concordiat, as we are known, is famous in its region for its design of tanks, not their building. If the Federation has adequate war factories, the Concordiat is willing to send the designs for the Mark 30.A Jaguar tank destroyer...although we retain very few of these tanks ourselves.

It does sound like you are planning for a space-combat, and therefore the Mark 30's are relatively useless. But if you need some firepower when establishing a spacehead on a planet, you might try their 305mm rifles.

IE I ask you to please reconsider going to GZ's aid.

OoC: Ooooh, that is most interesting. Was it worth the 14 Trillion you payed? (And of which I got 1 trillion *Cough* :D)
OOC: Actually, yes. The island is still quite a valuable base. We've been testing some kenetic transfer stations down there. The used the movement created by the shaking atoms as a source of power. We're also trying to see if we can transfer this energy for experiments and as a weapon. Think of this: a heavy boarding mech, attaches onto an enemy ship near the engine ports, and stabs a long blade through the venting port. The kenetic energy is drained from the vent, and it freezes to near-absolute-zero. The waste is forced back into the power source, and the entire ships just goes boom, while the mech GAINS energy. Also, larger missile forms of this are in development, hopefully powerful enough to drain energy from a sun.

I'm in a rather interesting situation here, ShadowTech. You see, I have no knowledge that you'll be there, and if our talks go well, and we can establish some kind of working relationship (Considering, if Mektana's posts are to be trusted, the war itself seems seven years off), then it will be almost my responsibility to come to his aid. I'm basically just trying to thrust my nation onto the galactic stage.

By the way, it's ESUS that's going after GZ, correct? Heh, I was offered a spot in ESUS when I first went future tech, I want to see if I made the right decision in turning it down in the interest of building my own, more personal alliances with individual nations.

Oooh, that is very much an interesting technological leap, JJR. This is all on Earth, correct? My nation isn't based on Earth, but rather an amazingly impossible system that so closely resembles the Sol system, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference without looking at constellations. It did, however, follow normal Earth history, not NS history.

OOC: Actually, just that base and a city or two are on Earth. It's considered backwater. However, in space tech time, Earth is basically just a backwater. It doesn't attract much attention. That's why it makes an ideal place for hiding.

OOC: And yes, this is the ESUS coming after GZ. I'm actually a new member.

OoC- Rise and shine, it's clobberin time!

IC-

In an announcement today, Emperor Hans Feazanth XVII formally issued a declaration of war on the Republic of Germanische Zustande. His reason was the unsolicited war declaration on Mekanta by the Republic. Though His Imperial Highness regrets that the Gold Fleet must now turn upon its former ally when so many brave Feazanthian warriors and pilots gave their lives to defend the Republic's military homeworld, he recognizes that it must be done. The orbital Super MAC guns in orbit around Adonis IV and Tarsonis II have been activated, and the fleets are assembling at an undisclosed rally point to begin an advance into GZ territory.

Unless this declaration is rescinded by the Republic, it is doubtful they will avoid the Empire's wrath.

ooc: Feazanthia, it's the Federation...

ic:

A message had been dispatched to the AoN. Reinforcements would arrive at Federal systems any time now.

The Combined Federal Fleet, numbering over 600 vessels, awaited further orders above Normandeicht. The 7 Federal Shipyards had begun construction on 400 more Minimal Crew vessels, only for the purpose of adding firepower to the fleet.

The Federation had been at war now for close to two decades, but it was prepared to continue fighting for centuries.

As the galaxy seemed to gear for battle against the Federation, old allies and enemies alike, a great power surged within the very heart of the Federal Homeworld......

ooc: I dare any of you to get near Federal Space... :D

-OOC-
No, the war is now. It will just take seven years for the entire new Grand Armada to be finished.

ooc: I dare any of you to get near Federal Space... :D

That's going to be fairly tough as I don't know where your territory is with the exception of Normandeicht.

At any rate, expect an attack any day now. :)

Uh... CF... FYI, Normandeicht is, and forever will be, Federal Space... :D

Sooo... Like I said, let the bloodbath begin!!!

Shadow Tech's fighter swarms have been recalled and are now ready for deployment.

Shadow Tech, who'se side are you on anyways?

I'm in the ESUS.

Uh... CF... FYI, Normandeicht is, and forever will be, Federal Space... :D

Sooo... Like I said, let the bloodbath begin!!!

Sooo...You're saying that your space isn't hidden somehow and that UA was just OOCly bullshitting me?

ic post is pending. Comp acting up, have to go to work soon. :)

ooc> I will try to post when I get the chance. I am working with several threads at the moment.

No, my space is hidden, UA was speaking truthfully. You just made it sound like Normandeicht wasn't in Federal space... The whole system is Federal space...

Tag for the United Fedration of Planets ,and TFU

Tag for the United Fedration of Planets ,and TFU
Who's side are you on?

Who's side are you on?
The Federation (UFP) and I are neutral we will provide refugee’s asylum humanitarian aid and help said destroyed nations rebuild after this war nothing more we aren’t involved in any role but a humanitarian role

No, my space is hidden, UA was speaking truthfully. You just made it sound like Normandeicht wasn't in Federal space... The whole system is Federal space...

So if I know where Normandeicht is, I can presumeably send probes to all nearby systems and find your territory that way...

-OOC-
His, for IC and OOC reasons.

IC reason: In the Mekantan Language, the characters that make up the word Mekanta are all "male" to indicate dominance, wisdom, and power. (Mekantan culture is very sexist in its basis. Then again, Mekantan physiology is very sexist, so yeah...)

OOC reason: Mekanta's player is a guy. And since that's OOC, you called me a girl.


OOC:
I was reffering to the nation itself as a political and military entity, not the player, and doing so according to the speaker's custums, rather than the subject's. Hence, I was correct, if prehaps a little rude were that IC. ;) :p



Therefore...

*tentacle rapes Kanuckistan*



*Interposes inversion feild*

*Mekanta tentacle rapes himself*

http://kier.3dfrontier.com/smilies/naughty.gif :p

f ' (x) = sin 5t

If anyone can figure that out, giving the theorem by which it is solved and their work, I will come up with a few problems in some systems of a few ships...

Anyway, I'm just going to wait until everyone figures out that Normandeicht is pretty much alone on a galactic map... Mekanta, When will you and your allies be attacking?

I hope such an attack doesn't land while my diplomatic meeting is still on-going...

*CoughGZPostInTheThreadCough*

lol... okay...

OOC: When whilst this startenfies?

Erm... whenever the ESUS fleet arrives at Normandeicht... we can call it the Second Battle for Normandeicht... :D

BTW, Gronde, Where's that danged AoN fleet?

ooc> GZ: The AoN general fleet is yours for this conflict. You know where to find the stats for it.

Wow.... approximately 155,866 ships in the AoN General Fleet, Federal Combined Fleet, and ECF's fleet...

OOC: I have around 300,000, plus drone ships.

Including fighters, I hope?

Gronde... I have something in store for the enemy fleet... their numbers won't matter, as they'll be decimated so quickly...


BWA HA HAHAa AHAAHAH HAHAHAHAA AAHAAHAHAA!!!!

*Grins maniacly while staring at his 4 aces*

OOC: Well, see, I have very few fighters. My technology is stable enough and good enough to do most of that. Some of the smaller end ships only have a small 'Watchover' crew for repairs, and for certain emergency manuevers. And I don't need many ground troops either, which boosts how many ships I have. Also, being older, I do get a nice tech advantage. Usually my nanites do a lot of the planet-taking.

OOC: You know, you can tell us, extremely OOCly what you're going to do, so we know ahead of time, and can work out the details. Knowing OOCly, you can call us godmods if we make IC decisions based on the OOC information. It'd just make for a better, smoother RP.

ooc> I have a secret weapon, too. I am kinda torn about Jingle's idea. On one hand, I want it to go over smoothly. Secondly, if it has something to do with a trick/trap, then it could screw up the whole plan. I don't know.

ooc: I have a temporal trap set up. When your fleet shows up, the trap will activate, destroying the STC in the area of your fleet. no matter what tech you have, most, if not all, of your fleet will be destroyed or severely damaged. Temporal Bombardments will continue throughout the battle. Indra, if you're watching this thread, I have a whole lot of emmiters placed throughout the system, and our most advanced energy devices on them...

Sigh.

Shadow Tech, don't even start.

I have more up my sleeve. That's only one part of it. :D

Bring it on!

OOC: How does this trap even work? Also, and no, you can't use this ICly, I was planning on folding a pocket universe around the ambush point then collapsing it before we even went in. Also, slicing out that big of a section of the STC would destroy the entire universe, if not the multiverse. Unless you can somehow FIX it.

ooc: I have a temporal trap set up. When your fleet shows up, the trap will activate, destroying the STC in the area of your fleet. no matter what tech you have, most, if not all, of your fleet will be destroyed or severely damaged. Temporal Bombardments will continue throughout the battle. Indra, if you're watching this thread, I have a whole lot of emmiters placed throughout the system, and our most advanced energy devices on them...

I am so glad that I invested in temporal shields and Spatial stasis barriers early then. And here I was so worried about your OOC cackling that I actually planned on dealing with a major threat. In fact, I had planed to infiltrate Normandeicht with a stealth ship, and snatch a navagation officer from one of your ships and then blow up your system with a nova bomb. Thanks for letting me know that isn't necessary anymore. :)

Although...it could have been really fun to infiltrate...Hmm...descisions descisions...

ooc: CF, like I said, I have a heck of a lot more in store :D :D :D And, you couldn't get near a ship if you tried... just another of my traps...

JJR, it's basically like "wiping the slate clean". So, I guess I'm not actually annihilating it... unless I can get away with it...

Shadow Tech, don't even start.

I have more up my sleeve. That's only one part of it. :D

Bring it on!
OOC: Shadow tech why do you keep trying to tell people there tech does not work when he has real world physics to back it up?

OOC: Yeah, my Pocket Universe idea is sounding better by the moment. Or, perhaps, I could just curve it. With any luck, that would reflect it back at you. Though, I prefer the fold and collapse. Also, could you please explain some of the psychics involved in this Temporal Bomb?

OOC: Shadow tech why do you keep trying to tell people there tech does not work when he has real world physics to back it up?

OOC: I actually have not seen ANY RL physics in any of this, so far.

ooc: CF, like I said, I have a heck of a lot more in store :D :D :D And, you couldn't get near a ship if you tried... just another of my traps...

Would you care to elaborate, so I could ensure that this wouldn't work with the insertion method I was planning?

The problem is that RL physics do'nt really help GZ's case. After all, you can't really develope a temporal weapon, especially one like what GZ is alluding to without an extremely large amount of power, far more than can be provided by an anti-matter reactor unless said reactor is the size of Canada.

Well, I don't think it actually has "physics" to it, but I am essentially destroying time in that area of the Universe/STC. Essentially the STC shrinks by that much, and it is as if that area of space never existed. The Ships caught in it are destroyed immediately.

JJR, Also, explain to me how you have the power to do that?

CF, remember the Temporal Core I found?

TRCIP, do what you want to me after the war. Just let me use this.

CF, remember the Temporal Core I found?

Right. But that is but one old and probably failing core.

But at any rate, what I'm looking for is the reason for why I couldn't board your ships and abduct crew for interrogation.

We have flooded the system with a charged particle field. Any distortion is detected. Your ship invariably takes up space. Soo... we will detect the displacement of the charged particles...

Also, we have the whole QS system, which allows us to detect all matter in the system...

Please, ECF, do mind your own business.
Me and GZ weren't argueing over his tech, or even discussing it at all for that matter.
So far the only techs that I have said wouldn't work was the huge mass of overpowered strip phasers on the TITAN, and that commando team that was intended on entering warships without anyone knowing.
Thank you.

Right. But that is but one old and probably failing core.

But at any rate, what I'm looking for is the reason for why I couldn't board your ships and abduct crew for interrogation.

I'll most likely still be in system come the attack. A stealth ship won't be able to avoid detection by the sensors my forces employ.

We have flooded the system with a charged particle field. Any distortion is detected. Your ship invariably takes up space. Soo... we will detect the displacement of the charged particles...

Also, we have the whole QS system, which allows us to detect all matter in the system...

You DO realize that flooding the system with charged particles is next to impossible right? And even if you *could*, the chances of detecting a tiny disturbance like a small 100 meter stealth ship are next to nil. Especially with all the normal space junk that floats around most systems.

As for this "QS" system, what is it? How can it let you detect all matter in a system? That is an extremely large amount of matter to detect and sort.

Edit: And what sort of sensors do you employ, IE? Mass detecting sensors perhaps?

I really have to describe all my tech in that Tech Thread of mine...

As I have described earlier, all matter in the universe is connected. It's all related, effecting everything else. So... we detect these relationships, specifically the effects on the STC, other bodies, etc, and your ship gives off its own quantum signature, being detectable by our communications arrays as a possible route for transmissions...

I'll go in to much deeper detail in my Tech Thread...

Edit: And what sort of sensors do you employ, IE? Mass detecting sensors perhaps?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=352433

That and the normal thermal, ultra-violet, and white-light scanners.

IE, My quantumn communications are the same as yours, and we use this inter-connectedness to detect ships, etc, also.

You use the Spooky actions, too!?

I thought I was the only one who had noticed how easily the whole thing was converted into binary :D

Yeah, I was reading a paper about it, and came up with the Quantum Transmissions and Quantum Sensors...

Ohh, how do the sensors work? I haven't been able to figure out a way to entangle two electrons that don't have the same origin...

I don't remember much more from that paper then the fact that such systems are plausible.

It does seem however that every particle/matter, whatever, has a unique quantumn signature... seeing as no two particles are created under the same circumstances, etc...

No one's figured out my math problem yet... So I'll say it again...

f ' (x) = sin 5t

or

the derivative of function x for function x equals sin five times t

Well then, to indentify each particle would require you to have previous knowledge of the signiture it has. I don't know how this could be used in a sensor system...

Exactly. We know what's ours and what isn't... So, we can identify that which is of our allies and that which is unkown...

undefinedundefinedundefinedThe Third Battle of Normandeicht (:D) would be most amusing...
you suck your country sucks

Uh huh... sure... isn't that called flaming?

For reasons of our own, we will ad the UFGZ.

Exactly. We know what's ours and what isn't... So, we can identify that which is of our allies and that which is unkown...

So what you're saying is that you have every asteroid, dust cloud, and piece of debris tagged? Forgive me if that seems a slight bit implausible. With the sheer number of things inside a star system, that is entirely impossible.

CF has a damned good point, one I was going to bring up myself.

You cannot seclude only artificial objects, it's impossible to tell the difference. While your quantum signitures could be used to identify things you've already tagged (Would be a wonderful thing for marine biologists), it would be impossible to tell the difference between an asteroid and a ship.

However, it would be useful for parcing out a cloaked ship. If you detect nothing on GAD, MAD, particle-wave, visual, ultra-violet, infrared, thermal, or any other kind of scan, but pick it up on this system, it cannot be an asteroid, because asteroids give off a signiture to alert all the above types of scanners. However, a cloaked ship can block all these scanners through various methods, yet it cannot stop its own quantum signiture from being broadcast.

Or he could bust out a few thousand USD and give himself all the signatures and the visual cloak of an asteroid, and just float on through.

See Klonor's Young Nation Store.

ooc: Simply by the placement of the particles, we will read it as a shape on the sensors. If the particles' signatures are ordered in the shape of a vessel, that is, follows an ordered pattern, we can identify the object as being a vessel. If there are no known allied vessels there we can send ships to investigate. If the particles do not follow any pattern, and resemble the configuration of a celestial body, we may investigate, but it would not be a high priority.

Or he could bust out a few thousand USD and give himself all the signatures and the visual cloak of an asteroid, and just float on through.

Damn you! That is exactly what I was planning! My mimic infiltration ships do exactly that. It's actually encased in a tiny hollowed out asteroid. Basically, you don't know what it is until it's already gone. I put lots and lots of money into designing the systems on that baby. It's completely indistinguishable from a normal asteroid until you actually drill through the thing, or see it do something unasteroidish.

It'd be very hard to fool MAD sensors with a fake asteroid, the metal content would be remarkably higher or lower than a normal asteroid.

And I'd be damned if a nation as advanced as GZ didn't track every object above a certain size that moves in system. They probably already know and have tagged every asteroid, meteor, comet, and other NEO's (Minus the whole Earth part) that are in the Normandeicht system.

You've got to remember, his civilization is thousands of years ahead of the present time, yet we already track thousands upon thousands of NEOs. He probably tracks the entire Normandeicht system. Any anomaly would be easily detected and quickly investigated.

ooc: Simply by the placement of the particles, we will read it as a shape on the sensors. If the particles' signatures are ordered in the shape of a vessel, that is, follows an ordered pattern, we can identify the object as being a vessel. If there are no known allied vessels there we can send ships to investigate. If the particles do not follow any pattern, and resemble the configuration of a celestial body, we may investigate, but it would not be a high priority.

Yeah, ok, unless you have a computer with Sectabytes of memory, and just as fast a processor speed, along with sensors placed lightmillenia wide, you won't even be able to record a fraction of a nanosecond of a teensy little fraction of a universe without having your computer putts out on you.

Not to mention the damn SOFTWARE you'd need.

JJR, we only need store the information for attoseconds, only long enough to compare the previous scans with the most recent. It would be very feasible for us to moniter the entire system.

CF, we would detect the ordered particles that make up your vessel. We would be aware of your hoax.

JJR, we only need store the information for attoseconds, only long enough to compare the previous scans with the most recent. It would be very feasible for us to moniter the entire system.

CF, we would detect the ordered particles that make up your vessel. We would be aware of your hoax.
Hey, dumbass, it's the processing power that I'm most worried about. You only have memory space for attoseconds of ONE scan of the system. And you would have to delete each one after the next, and each one of them, due to size, would take minutes to HOURS to delete. And it would lag like hell, uploading the frames.

Hey, dumbass, it's the processing power that I'm most worried about. You only have memory space for attoseconds of ONE scan of the system. And you would have to delete each one after the next, and each one of them, due to size, would take minutes to HOURS to delete. And it would lag like hell, uploading the frames.

You're right that his current system isn't possible, but you also have to take into account what I said. Every object in his system is most likely part of a directory, and all of them are tagged in some way. Any new objects would warrent an investigation. This is doublely possible since this is his main military base.

FLAMING!!!

You are limited by your thinking of computer systems. Have you considered Photonic or Holographic memory systems? Those which surpass the analog and even the digital? Such systems are not lagged, and have such storage capacities... plus the possibilities of a Federal Network, allowing for the entire capabilites of the Federation to be used to scan all of Federation space.

FLAMING!!!

You are limited by your thinking of computer systems. Have you considered Photonic or Holographic memory systems? Those which surpass the analog and even the digital? Such systems are not lagged, and have such storage capacities... plus the possibilities of a Federal Network, allowing for the entire capabilites of the Federation to be used to scan all of Federation space.

Look, memory is memory. You can't magically say that yours is special and fits better on everything. Also, utilizing the entire network would just LAG the entire network. Unless, of course, you don't allow your citizens internet access.

You're right that his current system isn't possible, but you also have to take into account what I said. Every object in his system is most likely part of a directory, and all of them are tagged in some way. Any new objects would warrent an investigation. This is doublely possible since this is his main military base.

Well, if his computers can only get a small scan, then it wouldn't matter. A normal, 360, couple hundred metre sonar scan takes around a fourth of a minute to go around. It needs the time to scan the areas. Dopplar radar takes a few minutes, and is a huge fecking dish, and doesn't even cover a whoel continent without taking HOURS per cycle.

With the Federal Military Net, we can moniter the entirity of Federal Space. All the information is stored in the Holographic cores of each system, and each core is linked to all the others. The holographic cores operate at the speed of Quantum Transmissions. We can store an almost infinate amount of information, just by the nature of Holographic technology.

We can scan and store everything in Federal Space. And yes, we have everything tagged... they are listed by their combined signature, allowing billions of items to be stored...

And what is the science behind these holographic cores? How is data stored on them?

Light. Light itself. Holography is usually known to be the formation of images using lasers, etc. However, crystals can store recorded images on the infinate angles of posibility for a recording beam to enter it. If you had tens of these enourmous banks of crystals, each with a near infinate capacity to store information, you think that I could not monitor my systems and all within?

Time to do more math :D . Lets say the Normandeicht system has the approximate mass of the Sol system, 1.994x10^30 kg. If we say it's 100% carbon for math reasons and assume that each particle takes 1 bit of information to store and since this is QM we're talking about, particle means those of the sub-atomic nature.

We get the following:

My Math:
1.994x10^33 grams / 12 grams/mol = 1.661x10^32 moles of carbon

1.661x10^32 moles * 6.02x10^23 atoms/mol = 1.0x10^56 atoms

1.0x10^56 atoms * 18 particles(electrons,neutrons,protons)/atom = 1.8x10^57 particles

1.8x10^57 particles *1 bit/particle = 1.8x10^57 bytes

You'd need 1.8x10^57 bytes to store your library of natural occuring objects. That's a hell of a lot information to sort through to find oddities.

And I don't just do this to your tech, I do it to mine too and anybody else's when the fancy strikes me :p .

Oh and I'm working on the energy calculations for your beam system, should be done soon.

Time to do more math :D . Lets say the Normandeicht system has the approximate mass of the Sol system, 1.994x10^30 kg. If we say it's 100% carbon for math reasons and assume that each particle takes 1 bit of information to store and since this is QM we're talking about, particle means those of the sub-atomic nature.

We get the following:



You'd need 1.8x10^57 bytes to store your library of natural occuring objects. That's a hell of a lot information to sort through to find oddities.

And I don't just do this to your tech, I do it to mine too and anybody else's when the fancy strikes me :p .

Oh and I'm working on the energy calculations for your beam system, should be done soon.

And that's PER SCAN. If you claim to have video-quality speed in the frames, then I'm going to just start laughing and whip out an Overcompensation and whoop you with it.

And you can't forget, of course, that the figure is not only per scan, but per scan per type of sensor. Probably more with other types of sensors.

Light. Light itself. Holography is usually known to be the formation of images using lasers, etc. However, crystals can store recorded images on the infinate angles of posibility for a recording beam to enter it. If you had tens of these enourmous banks of crystals, each with a near infinate capacity to store information, you think that I could not monitor my systems and all within?

No, you see, you could burn the outside, and that would be it. There is not infinite possibility. It would be like burning stuff on large DVD-Rs

Ah, but you make a huge assumption. You assume that each particle requires a bit to store. You realize just how much information a bit is, don't you? There is a theory that black holes form when there is too much information in a given region of space. A single bit of information may be the light waves of a star in a year, an entire planet, a nuetron star. The amount of information in the universe is mind-boggling. Normandeicht could be a single bit of information, or it could be 10^10^10^10... bits of information.

You're right that his current system isn't possible, but you also have to take into account what I said. Every object in his system is most likely part of a directory, and all of them are tagged in some way. Any new objects would warrent an investigation. This is doublely possible since this is his main military base.

So he's tagged each and every itsy bitsy dust cloud and peice of debris from all the battles that have taken place there? Forgive me for calling him on impossibility.

You are limited by your thinking of computer systems. Have you considered Photonic or Holographic memory systems? Those which surpass the analog and even the digital? Such systems are not lagged, and have such storage capacities... plus the possibilities of a Federal Network, allowing for the entire capabilites of the Federation to be used to scan all of Federation space.

Allow me to say that photonic or holographic memory and processing systems are not up to the task of this task you say you've done. You would need many highly powerful computers to tag and decode all this data you'd have in a reasonable time period. (Reasonable meaning within twenty years.) Imagine decoding the human genome, but several times worse.

Also, your 'Federal Network' would lag horribly when you used it for the purpose of trying to catalogue everything in a particular system. Unless of course you have entire planets devoted to server space and network storage and you didn't have the network doing anything else.

Well, if his computers can only get a small scan, then it wouldn't matter. A normal, 360, couple hundred metre sonar scan takes around a fourth of a minute to go around. It needs the time to scan the areas. Dopplar radar takes a few minutes, and is a huge fecking dish, and doesn't even cover a whoel continent without taking HOURS per cycle.

JJR raises a good point. How fast can these things send out quantum particles and recieve feedback? I want to call you on godmoding, but I can't without knowing exactly how fast these sensors recycle.

With the Federal Military Net, we can moniter the entirity of Federal Space. All the information is stored in the Holographic cores of each system, and each core is linked to all the others. The holographic cores operate at the speed of Quantum Transmissions. We can store an almost infinate amount of information, just by the nature of Holographic technology.

We can scan and store everything in Federal Space. And yes, we have everything tagged... they are listed by their combined signature, allowing billions of items to be stored...

So not it's just the Federal Military net? Monitoring the entirety of Federal space is even more of a herculean feat than monitoring a specific system. (Unless of course Federal space just includes Normandeicht) Nevermind that we've never seen this RPed out.

Quantum Transmissions operate at the Speed of Light. To do what you're proposing, you'd need fast FTL communicatoins. And such a system net would cost as much to create and program as an entire fleet. (Twenty trillion USD or more.) And such a system will be incredibly buggy, due to simple scale. It has to do so many things that more bugs are bound to slip through.

(I know my arguements may not make entire sense, but that's what I get when I am running on coffee.)

ooc> At least the people in this RP actually try to make sure things are possible, instead of magically having godlike technology. Lol. I use holography for my main computers. I work with peices of transparent crystal like substances, where light is stored. One photon is very small, and that is all that is needed to store a peice of information. (A character. EX: #) Meaning a peice of this crystal the size of a golf ball could store an amazing ammount more information that our greatest modern-day super-computers that are 10+ times the size of the crystal.

Ah, but you make a huge assumption. You assume that each particle requires a bit to store. You realize just how much information a bit is, don't you? There is a theory that black holes form when there is too much information in a given region of space. A single bit of information may be the light waves of a star in a year, an entire planet, a nuetron star. The amount of information in the universe is mind-boggling. Normandeicht could be a single bit of information, or it could be 10^10^10^10... bits of information.

No, it couldn't. I can prove it here and now. I opened Microsoft word, with a blank page, and typed the lower-case letter a, and saved the file. Then I looked at it's properties, under general. Just that black page with the lowercase letter 'a' on it took up 19,456 bytes. Now tell me, how much do you think a 3d-rendered, real-time image of a large asteroid would take up? Just by itself? Let me answer: A hell of a lot of space.

Also, black holes are not created by anything having to do with 'too much information' at all. They have to do with all the matter of a star suddenly collapsing into one infinitely small point with extreme gravity. The MATTER, not the information. Stars are burning balls of plasma.

Ah, but you make a huge assumption. You assume that each particle requires a bit to store. You realize just how much information a bit is, don't you? There is a theory that black holes form when there is too much information in a given region of space. A single bit of information may be the light waves of a star in a year, an entire planet, a nuetron star. The amount of information in the universe is mind-boggling. Normandeicht could be a single bit of information, or it could be 10^10^10^10... bits of information.

If we say it's 100% carbon for math reasons and assume that each particle takes 1 bit of information to store and since this is QM we're talking about, particle means those of the sub-atomic nature.

I knew it was an assumption. Which is why I claimed to be an assumption. I also assumed that the entire system was nothing but carbon. I also know there are lots of individual charachteristics of particles to database, such as X,Y and Z axis rotation, velocity, momentum all of which you would need to accurately determine whether it has been tagged by you. And this assumes you've found a way around the Heisenburg Uncertainty principle. I think that 1 bit/particle is a justified assumption.

I do not understand future-tech for the life of me.

Can we pause posting for long enough to respond to everything?

Well then, respond!

So he's tagged each and every itsy bitsy dust cloud and peice of debris from all the battles that have taken place there? Forgive me for calling him on impossibility.

You know what I mean -_-

At least, you should. Any object large enough to warrent interest.

Fine then. I'll send in a swarm of nanites.

You know what I mean -_-

At least, you should. Any object large enough to warrent interest.

That's what I thought. But what size object is large enough to warrent 'interest?' Something small enough to be a container for a bioweapon? A fighter? A suit of space based powered armor?

Or he could bust out a few thousand USD and give himself all the signatures and the visual cloak of an asteroid, and just float on through.
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Holographic Crystals: By using two beams, and recording from the near-infinate possible recording angles, a single crystal can store the x,y,z coordinates or trillions of combined objects. By recording objects as a whole after only once scanning the entire object, the databases can hold the information on trillions of trillions of trillions of objects. Any new objects that pass within the system are not registered as a single signature, alerting the sensor systems.

Quantum Transmissions: I'm not sure about a timeframe, but I believe it to be nearly instantaneous... In the hundreds of years we've had to make original scans of our systems, the original "lag" (which there wouldn't be) is long gone.

Also, we are future tech nations. It is assumed that we have had millenia to develop such technology...

About the information... Imagine the universe as a sphere. The surface of the sphere is devided into triangles. Each triangle is a zero or a one. Now, if too much information, such as planets, asteriods, particles, energy, etc, is contained in to small an area, a black hole forms.

Now, about the particle/bit. How many magnetic objects are required to record the document and the "a"? Hundreds. Each magnetic cell in the computer's hard drive is millions, trillions, of sub atomic particles. 19,000 bytes is nothing. A single sub-atomic particle cannot be determined as a bit. We have no idea.

more to come... wait a minute..

JJR: Go ahead, then. Don't be surprised if he ignores the attack, though. Depends on how combatable these nanites actually are.

CF: A canister for a bioweapon would take literally DECADES to get anywhere in-system without some kind of propulsion system, which would light up like christmas on any sensors. Anything bigger than a man should be enough for tagging. You have to remember how huge computer memory is getting already, not to mention processing speeds. Tracking several billion objects of about that size in a single system should be gravy for a civilization thousands of years in advance of us.

GZ, you seem to have no responce to our points. Please, just indulge us with your wisdom.

Again, you all place an emphasis on terms you know, and you rely on things that are familiar. Servers? There will be no need. The QT net is all that is neccessary. A link between the Holographic Cores is all that is neccessary. Allowing for great amounts of information to be stored. However, we risk the possibilities of a black hole...

more to come....

JJR: Go ahead, then. Don't be surprised if he ignores the attack, though. Depends on how combatable these nanites actually are.

CF: A canister for a bioweapon would take literally DECADES to get anywhere in-system without some kind of propulsion system, which would light up like christmas on any sensors. Anything bigger than a man should be enough for tagging. You have to remember how huge computer memory is getting already, not to mention processing speeds. Tracking several billion objects of about that size in a single system should be gravy for a civilization thousands of years in advance of us.

I'd likely field about 1 quadrillion nanites, including buildings for making new things, shredders for pure slice and dice, assemblers for making more nanites, carrier nanites who work together to fold space into a pocket universe, usually for storing particles and molecules for the builders, in this case to pull the trap into it's own 'bubble' of the STC, and generator nanites that provide power to the carrier nanites. Spread out, they'd be completely undetectable. Also, an easier thing to do is use some long range cannons or something, or warp in some crates. They see big things in the trap range, and set it off.

And the whole "unlimited space on crystals" is this: no matter how you set the lasers, you can't burn info onto the inside of the crystals without burning the outside, because if it can't burn the outside, how would it burn the inside that's farther away?

They don't send out "quantumn particles". They recieve the quantum signature of particles.

Also, I have to RP out all of my advancements? All of the achievements of my nation?

more to come...

Again, you all place an emphasis on terms you know, and you rely on things that are familiar. Servers? There will be no need. The QT net is all that is neccessary. A link between the Holographic Cores is all that is neccessary. Allowing for great amounts of information to be stored. However, we risk the possibilities of a black hole...

more to come....

You know what, I have a good idea. I'll just use a giant rip generator and pour IDD mines out into your system. You can use your trap against them, but then you've wasted it. If you don't stop them, you'll have a HUGE black hole in place of your system.

Like I said, two beams are neccesary to record information. By recording from the inside out, even one gram of Crystal can record near-infinate amounts of information.

OOC: You do realize that Earth Simlulator could track most large objects exluding the ORT cloud. Anything larger than a man will be tagged in a nation as advanced as GZ. The EFC can track most objects as well.
The Earth Simulator is only 56 Terraflops and could probably track 80% of objects in the SOL system. If they were tagged and sending back Signals.
And GZ is 1,000+ years ahead of us. And look how fast processors are getting now. And they've gotten this fast in a mere 30 years!

JJR: Go ahead, then. Don't be surprised if he ignores the attack, though. Depends on how combatable these nanites actually are.

CF: A canister for a bioweapon would take literally DECADES to get anywhere in-system without some kind of propulsion system, which would light up like christmas on any sensors. Anything bigger than a man should be enough for tagging. You have to remember how huge computer memory is getting already, not to mention processing speeds. Tracking several billion objects of about that size in a single system should be gravy for a civilization thousands of years in advance of us.

Simple, launch the canister from right outside the system through a high speed railgun. No heat, no emissions of any kind, just kinetic energy. Unless you're saying GZ can *somehow* detect Kinetic Energy from millions of miles away...

Holographic Crystals: By using two beams, and recording from the near-infinate possible recording angles, a single crystal can store the x,y,z coordinates or trillions of combined objects. By recording objects as a whole after only once scanning the entire object, the databases can hold the information on trillions of trillions of trillions of objects. Any new objects that pass within the system are not registered as a single signature, alerting the sensor systems.

Quantum Transmissions: I'm not sure about a timeframe, but I believe it to be nearly instantaneous... In the hundreds of years we've had to make original scans of our systems, the original "lag" (which there wouldn't be) is long gone.

Also, we are future tech nations. It is assumed that we have had millenia to develop such technology...

About the information... Imagine the universe as a sphere. The surface of the sphere is devided into triangles. Each triangle is a zero or a one. Now, if too much information, such as planets, asteriods, particles, energy, etc, is contained in to small an area, a black hole forms.

Now, about the particle/bit. How many magnetic objects are required to record the document and the "a"? Hundreds. Each magnetic cell in the computer's hard drive is millions, trillions, of sub atomic particles. 19,000 bytes is nothing. A single sub-atomic particle cannot be determined as a bit. We have no idea.

more to come... wait a minute..

Quantum transmissions are certainly not instantaneous. But that's besides the point. What I was trying to say is that how long does it take for your 'quantum sensors' or whatever the hell your rather implausible sensor tech is called to send out and recieve pulses to update your database? How long is the lag between sending out the pulse and recieving a return and then scanning and updating the database?

Frankly GZ, this tech seems quite beyond your means, especially since you've been in several devastating wars and have been devoting your military budget to the Reagan for years upon years. (And then there is the fact that the whole darned Normandeicht system was novaed before. There goes a fair chunk of your population and military forces.)

Perhaps if this was the only 'uber tech' you had, and you RPed it's construction, We would be more apt to accept it. But since this is only one in a series of 'uber techs' that you have, and we haven't had an oppertunity to voice the OOC reasons for why it wouldn't be very effective before you sprung it on us, it becomes a little hard to swallow.

First you pull the temporal tech out of nowhere. I can accept that. Then you start to pull the nothingspace shields out of nowhere, despite the fact that such shields would take a huge amount of time to develope. I can even accept those. But now, in addition to the previous two techs, you pull unbeatable sensors out of nowhere.

Your population is less than a billion. Your economy is merely 'good.' And then you say you have a decent fleet in addition to this ubership you've got stashed in your space? And you have unbeatable sensors? And virtually unbeatable shields? Your nation can't really afford all this stuff you say you've got with your economy. Hell, it would strain my economy to the breaking point, and I'm signifigantly more wealthy than you are.

There's no rule saying you can't have all that stuff, it's just that you just pulled it out of nowhere at once so you could try and beat nations that are larger and stronger than you. If I had seen a decent dev/research RP first then I would be much less grumpy.

You've got to start off small and work your way up. You can't become Kanuckistan or Klonor or Foe Hammer in a week.

Edit: No, you don't have to RP each advancement. Just the major ones, like this giant sensor ubersystem, the ubershields, the uber information net...
Edit 2: ECF, the RL Solar system simulator can only track a few hundred thousand objects at most. It prioritizes upon the large stellar bodies and asteroids.

No, it can't. There is no such thing as 'near-infinite' because things that are 'infinite' have no end. You have a nice big crystal, with a lot of storage space. Lucky you. I'll just be nice and allow you to have that. We'll assume that you can store say, 500 frames of this system of these 'crystals', and even that is quite nice of me. Now tell me, what the hell do you do after those frames? Do you magically 'wipe' your hard dri- oh wait, they're burned crystals. Forgot for a second there. Sooo... you just throw away your entire network of crystals after 500 frames? Sounds... expensive and unplausible!

Also, JJR... How do you have 300,000 ships? unless of course they are all fighters...

any more objections?

Also, JJR... How do you have 300,000 ships? unless of course they are all fighters...

any more objections?

JJR was joking.

How can you have 100,000 ships? Especially when Gronde said that the majority of the AoN fleet is fighters?

Unless you're saying that the majority of you and your allies' ships in this system are fighters...

Also, JJR... How do you have 300,000 ships? unless of course they are all fighters...

any more objections?

You actually believed that?!?!?! Hilarity, weee! Cackle! Anyways, it's more likely than your 155 thousand. Nah, I don't have that many, and I have over 150 million military personell, mostly in space. So, if I said I had say, 100 million fighters as my space fleet, that might actually be possible, if hilariously stupid...

A good 140 thousand are attack craft...

I have to go for a while, I shall respond to CF in a few hours...

A good 140 thousand are attack craft...

I have to go for a while, I shall respond to CF in a few hours...

Well, tell me about the crystals! I need to know what you do to them!

Simple, launch the canister from right outside the system through a high speed railgun. No heat, no emissions of any kind, just kinetic energy. Unless you're saying GZ can *somehow* detect Kinetic Energy from millions of miles away...

There, that's more of a plausible attack. However, you risk being picked up by picket ships and sentries etc, therefore making it more acceptable and not a "I attack you and you can't do anything about it" attack.



Perhaps if this was the only 'uber tech' you had, and you RPed it's construction, We would be more apt to accept it. But since this is only one in a series of 'uber techs' that you have, and we haven't had an oppertunity to voice the OOC reasons for why it wouldn't be very effective before you sprung it on us, it becomes a little hard to swallow.

Is my main communications technology an uber-tech? I would think so, considering it is an instantaneous-from-anywhere-in-the-universe, unjammable, un-intereceptable communications technology. However, I never RPed making it. I merely explained exactly how it is done and included a few of the inherent down-sides.

I will happily laugh at anyone who tells me I can't use it because I didn't RP getting it.

First you pull the temporal tech out of nowhere. I can accept that. Then you start to pull the nothingspace shields out of nowhere, despite the fact that such shields would take a huge amount of time to develope. I can even accept those. But now, in addition to the previous two techs, you pull unbeatable sensors out of nowhere.

What are nothingspace shields O_o

Edit 2: ECF, the RL Solar system simulator can only track a few hundred thousand objects at most. It prioritizes upon the large stellar bodies and asteroids.

Remember how fast technology progresses. GZ is thousands of years ahead of RL.

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Remember how fast technology progresses. GZ is thousands of years ahead of RL.
ANd keep in mind that the Earth Simlulator is several times more powerful than the Real World systems that are in use. Think about this. In 1979 processors were not faster than 500khz. 2 decades later........ Processors are now at the 3.5ghz Mark and soon to jump to 4ghz. Thats hundards of 1000's times increase in 20 years! Give it 1000 years. And GZ will have no problems tracking almost everything.

Is my main communications technology an uber-tech? I would think so, considering it is an instantaneous-from-anywhere-in-the-universe, unjammable, un-intereceptable communications technology. However, I never RPed making it. I merely explained exactly how it is done and included a few of the inherent down-sides.

I will happily laugh at anyone who tells me I can't use it because I didn't RP getting it.



What are nothingspace shields O_o



Remember how fast technology progresses. GZ is thousands of years ahead of RL.

I didn't really understand exactly how your tech worked, so I left it alone.

Nothingspace shields are shields that essientially allow GZ invulnerability to everything except during the nanoseconds which they have to reenter normal space to fire. They somehow remove his ships from the Space-Time continuum. Don't ask me how. I hate temporal tech OOCly, so I have never put any thought into how it works. I just ask Indra for ways to counter it. :D

Thousands of years ahead of RL? That's good. But to have the tech he's talking about, with the equipment he's talking about, he would have to be tens of thousands of years ahead of modern tech, if it's possible at all.

Edit: ECF; People in the late sixties and seventies also thought we would have colonies on the moon by 2001. After all, they looked at how far we had come in but nine years in space travel, and they assumed that progress would continue at that pace. It didn't.

Edit: ECF; People in the late sixties and seventies also thought we would have colonies on the moon by 2001. After all, they looked at how far we had come in but nine years in space travel, and they assumed that progress would continue at that pace. It didn't.
OOC: Computers are different. It is ever expanding. Computers will not slow down.
They might for a few years but in about 10 years when Quantum computers come into play they'll get a massive boost in speed. GZ is far beyond Slicon and Quantum.

OOC: Computers are different. It is ever expanding. Computers will not slow down.
They might for a few years but in about 10 years when Quantum computers come into play they'll get a massive boost in speed. GZ is far beyond Slicon and Quantum.

Bleep wrong. Computers will eventually hit a major speed barrier that will take an extremely long time to surpass.

GZ is not far beyond sillicon and quantum. He specifically said he used Holographic and Quantum computers. (Holographic being just quantum computers by a different name.)

Uh... CF? The Temporal Shields are the nothingspace shields...

I don't see what size and economy have to do with technology. I shall again use my Germany vs. Rest of World analogy.

Germany, having a war-based economy, was much more advanced than any other nation on earth during and before WWII. Much smaller nation, much worse economy...

Second, I never said unbeatable. They are very beatable. You just have to be creative enough to actually think about the whole thing and come up with a way to get around it. I assure you, they are not unbeatable.

About my Ubertech...

Temporal Weapons: Acceptable, even by Indra (to a degree, he might be mad)
The Reagan: Finished about 20 years ago by now... spent 82 years on it, eighty two RL days.
The Quantum Technology: Very Plausible.

I don't godmod, I actually come up with new ideas. If America came up with shields somehow, no nation could defeat it. America would have come up with this idea and poured everything into it. They didn't "godmod" in life, but they were creative and dedicated (following the whole idea).

If you can't defeat my sensors, so what? All of my enemies still have much greater tech.

My nation, having suffered such defeat, would find a way to create new technologies. To strive to survive. With such great losses, the galvanization of the people would be incredible. Also, if you had seen that thread which I posted a while ago where I mentioned this tech, cause I knew this would happen.

more to come.. wait a sec...

Bleep wrong. Computers will eventually hit a major speed barrier that will take an extremely long time to surpass.

GZ is not far beyond sillicon and quantum. He specifically said he used Holographic and Quantum computers. (Holographic being just quantum computers by a different name.)
OOC: The Barrier is about 5 years away, IF we used current desings, We start to move into processors with Duals Cores and Dual CPU computers. And PPC will soon Replace x86 as it can be pushed much father than x86.

Yes, but we ALL have military-based economies. My economy is better, I am bigger and older, AND I use mod of my economy in military. Also, being bigger also means BEING OLDER. We have an older nation, a more stable nation, and more time to make good technology.

I didn't really understand exactly how your tech worked, so I left it alone.

It isn't too hard. Basically, when you have two particles that are 'entangled' (Of similiar properties from the same source), they can effect each other at a distance. For instance, you can effect the 'spin' (The way the south pole of a charged particle faces) through an observation, but if you set up a similar detecter for an entangled particle, they will be the same half the time (Same is used lightly here, they are really the opposites of each other), when they should really only be the same 5/9 of the time. This leads to the idea of 'Spooky Actions at a Distance'.

Basically, I take advantage of this by having four entangled particles. One pair represents a 1 and the other represents a 0. When the 'spin' is one way it represents the 1 or 0 being the correct information for the computer to interpret, and the other way means the computer should ignore the particle. This allows, through the manipulation of one particle from each of the entangled pairs, for me to send binary instantly over any distance. And since no one knows exactly what causes this effect, it is unjammable, untraceable, and uninterceptable. The main downside, however, is that there has to be two particles on every instance of this system for every instance of this system.

Basically, if I have 10,000 devices like this, each must have 20,000 particles. However, this isn't too bad when you take into account the immensely small sizes we're talking, namely sub-atomic sizes.

From there, each pair of particles (the 0 and 1's) is assigned a tag that identifies it to the computer as the ones that tie in with a specific reciever, allowing the entire system to be parced out easily.

Nothingspace shields are shields that essientially allow GZ invulnerability to everything except during the nanoseconds which they have to reenter normal space to fire. They somehow remove his ships from the Space-Time continuum. Don't ask me how. I hate temporal tech OOCly, so I have never put any thought into how it works. I just ask Indra for ways to counter it. :D

Gyah, temporal tech. I hate it, really, I do. My entire force has one instance of it, and that's my version of the Final Option system.

Thousands of years ahead of RL? That's good. But to have the tech he's talking about, with the equipment he's talking about, he would have to be tens of thousands of years ahead of modern tech, if it's possible at all.

Not entirely true. We're reaching the point where we can look at quantum scale particles already, a thousand years is plenty of time to learn how to manipulate them

Edit: ECF; People in the late sixties and seventies also thought we would have colonies on the moon by 2001. After all, they looked at how far we had come in but nine years in space travel, and they assumed that progress would continue at that pace. It didn't.

The thing is, we could have colonies on the Moon if we wanted to; it's more about politics and cost for why we don't, it isn't that we can't do it.

It isn't too hard. Basically, when you have two particles that are 'entangled' (Of similiar properties from the same source), they can effect each other at a distance. For instance, you can effect the 'spin' (The way the south pole of a charged particle faces) through an observation, but if you set up a similar detecter for an entangled particle, they will be the same half the time (Same is used lightly here, they are really the opposites of each other), when they should really only be the same 5/9 of the time. This leads to the idea of 'Spooky Actions at a Distance'.

Basically, I take advantage of this by having four entangled particles. One pair represents a 1 and the other represents a 0. When the 'spin' is one way it represents the 1 or 0 being the correct information for the computer to interpret, and the other way means the computer should ignore the particle. This allows, through the manipulation of one particle from each of the entangled pairs, for me to send binary instantly over any distance. And since no one knows exactly what causes this effect, it is unjammable, untraceable, and uninterceptable. The main downside, however, is that there has to be two particles on every instance of this system for every instance of this system.

Basically, if I have 10,000 devices like this, each must have 20,000 particles. However, this isn't too bad when you take into account the immensely small sizes we're talking, namely sub-atomic sizes.

From there, each pair of particles (the 0 and 1's) is assigned a tag that identifies it to the computer as the ones that tie in with a specific reciever, allowing the entire system to be parced out easily.



Gyah, temporal tech. I hate it, really, I do. My entire force has one instance of it, and that's my version of the Final Option system.



Not entirely true. We're reaching the point where we can look at quantum scale particles already, a thousand years is plenty of time to learn how to manipulate them



The thing is, we could have colonies on the Moon if we wanted to; it's more about politics and cost for why we don't, it isn't that we can't do it.


And who said politics would cease?

And who said politics would cease?

If a moon colony would help us in a war we were fighting, we would do it, I assure you. Politics become a lot less bureaucratic when it comes to defensive wars.

Plus, I said we can do it, whether or not we do doesn't matter.

If a moon colony would help us in a war we were fighting, we would do it, I assure you. Politics become a lot less bureaucratic when it comes to defensive wars.

Plus, I said we can do it, whether or not we do doesn't matter.

*sniff* Fine!

:D

The thing is, we could have colonies on the Moon if we wanted to; it's more about politics and cost for why we don't, it isn't that we can't do it.
You forget that the computer indusrty is not based on politics. Companys like IBM,Intel and AMD will always be at it. So it will keep going faster and faster and faster.

this thread is waaaaay too clogged... I'll start another... eventually...

You forget that the computer indusrty is not based on politics. Companys like IBM,Intel and AMD will always be at it. So it will keep going faster and faster and faster.

-_-

I was addressing CF's point that people used to think we'd be a lot farther along than we actually are. Most advance is stopped in the face of profitability. For instance, look up Nikola Tesla. Or Mandatory Obsolescence.

Tesla rules, Marconi drools!

Ah, the treatchery of Edison... He got to the patent office first...

Tesla, and transmitting electricity through the air...

And we can't forget the coils... of course! the coils! :D

We could be on mars now if we wanted... in 50 years we could turn Mars into another Earth...

JJR was joking.

How can you have 100,000 ships? Especially when Gronde said that the majority of the AoN fleet is fighters?

That's not really what I said. As far as numbers, due to the drone carriers, fighters would be the highest number. As far as total mass, capital ships are ahead. All I did was inquire about if he was including fighters in the numbers. (Although there are over 100,000 drone fighters alone, so I don't know)

Uh... CF? The Temporal Shields are the nothingspace shields...

I don't see what size and economy have to do with technology. I shall again use my Germany vs. Rest of World analogy.

Germany, having a war-based economy, was much more advanced than any other nation on earth during and before WWII. Much smaller nation, much worse economy...

Second, I never said unbeatable. They are very beatable. You just have to be creative enough to actually think about the whole thing and come up with a way to get around it. I assure you, they are not unbeatable.

About my Ubertech...

Temporal Weapons: Acceptable, even by Indra (to a degree, he might be mad)
The Reagan: Finished about 20 years ago by now... spent 82 years on it, eighty two RL days.
The Quantum Technology: Very Plausible.

I don't godmod, I actually come up with new ideas. If America came up with shields somehow, no nation could defeat it. America would have come up with this idea and poured everything into it. They didn't "godmod" in life, but they were creative and dedicated (following the whole idea).

If you can't defeat my sensors, so what? All of my enemies still have much greater tech.

My nation, having suffered such defeat, would find a way to create new technologies. To strive to survive. With such great losses, the galvanization of the people would be incredible. Also, if you had seen that thread which I posted a while ago where I mentioned this tech, cause I knew this would happen.

more to come.. wait a sec...


Okay. I was refering to the temporal weapons you seem to be tossing around. The shields are a special case.

Your WWII analogy is flawed. This is not Real Life. In NS, nations with bigger populations and more money will almost always be more advanced and powerful.

As for the unbeatableness of your shields: You need a technobabbel solution, yes or no? If I wanted to go down that road, I would just create a temporal inversion field with aligned neutrons and duct tape to cause your ships to explode the second they activated the temporal crap.

The Reagan: I'm not contesting uberships. I'm just saying that you put a huge amount of money into it, and that is money that isn't going into other areas of research.

The Quantum Technology: Plausible, but not powerful/adaptable enough to use it how you appear to be using it.

RL nations don't have to worry about godmoding because it's real life, and they actually have physical research they have to perform and resources they have to use to create something. But in NS, when you can pretty much say "I have X number of battleships and Y number of technologies", godmoding becomes possible.

I can defeat your sensors, given enough drive and technobabbel. The problem is that if something needs an obscure piece of technobabbel to take advantage of its disadvantages, it isn't exactly easy to RP with or against. (That reminds me. What are the disadvantages of your sensor net? I've already got a few likely ones, but I want to hear them from the proverbial horse's mouth.)

I haven't seen the thread you're talking about. (Unless of course you're talking about that very basic thread where you reverse-engineered some temporal core or whatever it was.) All I saw was a thread where you said "I now have nothingspace shields on all my ships, beat that!"

QS Disadvantages:

1: We have no detectors in other dimensions/levels of space.
2: The Sensors can be circumvented by -----------------.
3: The Sensors cannot detect that which is not matter. :D
4: I have a few others... if you want I can put them up here or TG them to you

No, I have another thread where I specifically layed out all the technology I had, and said something along the lines of "... so that no one will accuse me of pulling stuff out of my rear end..."

If your so mad about him not being able to support all this crap.
He can. I donate a MASSIVE amount of money to GZ each year to help him along in his weapons development. We have been allys for quite some time. The ECF is the one who supports these weapons programs and has been for quite some time.

ECF!!!!!!

This was supposed to remain a secret...

However, we exchanged asteroids for ECF to mine for research money...

Well, his nothingspace shields sound a BIT like my pocket universes. From the look of it, it seems like he folded the STC around him, so that it went into one side and came out the other without actually hitting anything inside. Mine, however, are actually whole universes, and they take TIME to open and close. Of course, the easiest way to defeat these shields is to use my pocket universe technology to create a small fold AROUND his shields and collapse it. It'd teleport him, since just millimeters traveled in a pocket universe, it being so small, converts into miles once in the normal universe, leading to the threat of landing IN something, like a planet. Also, the collapse would almost CERTAINLY shut down your shields, being that it would force you through a Jump, and mess up any temporal of FTL technology inside the collapse area, including FTLi. There is also a high chance of it overloading the system computers that control the shielding and melting the circuits through energy feedback, etc.. If I got lucky, there is also the chance of the collapse just completely vaporizing you, or shoving you into a whole different universe or time.

ECF!!!!!!

This was supposed to remain a secret...

However, we exchanged asteroids for ECF to mine for research money...
We are going to have to work out a bit more than that.
It was a truely massive amount of money. :P
But hey your more creative :P

He's creative, but I STILL do not know how he pays for all of these crystals, and exactly how MY weapons will work on HIS shields.

Holographic crystals can be wrewritten. They are not permenantly "burned" into the crystal. A purge of pure light works fine...

He's creative, but I STILL do not know how he pays for all of these crystals, and exactly how MY weapons will work on HIS shields.
I paid for a good deal of his development. If you have any doubts as if he can afford. Lets just say it's been taken care of.

Holographic crystals can be wrewritten. They are not permenantly "burned" into the crystal. A purge of pure light works fine...

No... you're using crystals. In order to store the data, you need to burn it. You still need to follow the laws of physics.

I paid for a good deal of his development. If you have any doubts as if he can afford. Lets just say it's been taken care of.

I don't CARE about the COST. I CARE about the PLAUSIBILITY of his TECHNOLOGY. UNDERSTAND?

Gee don't get all mad about it. I could care less what he does with my money and yes they are all pluasible.
But I dont want to hear "He's to small and can't afford that ect"

Gee don't get all mad about it. I could care less what he does with my money and yes they are all pluasible.
But I dont want to hear "He's to small and can't afford that ect"


No, they AREN'T all plausible. He claims he has Rewritable data storage crystals. Which is a load of crap.

I'll give him Isoliner Chips and EFC Computers, If that will shut you up.
And Even if they can't be rewritten who cares?

JJR, you obviously pretend to know about crystals and the laws of physics, and further my understanding of your ignorance.

Crystals can be purged of energy/photons...

I'll give him Isoliner Chips and EFC Computers, If that will shut you up.
And Even if they can't be rewritten who cares?

Because then, for every 500 frames, which would go by QUITE fast, he would have to dump all of his crystal banks, and build new ones, or replace them. CF estimated 20 trillion per bank-planet. At the standard 60 FPS, he would run out of frames in... just under 9 seconds. But he says he takes a frame per attosecond. Attoseconds are, I believe quadrillionths of quintillionths of a second. I would predict he could fit maybe, 100 billion banks on an earth-sized planet, assuming 100% land mass, meaning that he would be spending around 200 quadrillion USD per second, assuming 100 billion banks at 1 frame per quadrillionth of a second.

JJR, you obviously pretend to know about crystals and the laws of physics, and further my understanding of your ignorance.

Crystals can be purged of energy/photons...

Yes, but you're using LASERS to magically create the effect of burned data in crystals, on 'near-infinite' layers, that stay there until you want them to go away.

"There are none so wrong as those who believe in ignorance that they are correct..."

Anyone know who said that?

-SECRET IC-

"The operation was a success, General Nioze."

"Good. How simple minded, these lessers are to allow us to start a war between them..."

"There are none so wrong as those who believe in ignorance that they are correct..."

Anyone know who said that?

"One person dies, it's a tragedy. Five people die, it's a massacre. A million die, it's a statistic." Know who said that? Well, prepare to be a statistic, along with your magical crystal banks.

-SECRET IC-

"The operation was a success, General Nioze."

"Good. How simple minded, these lessers are to allow us to start a war between them..."

*runs away, screaming in terror*

Was if JF Kerry? The personage of idiocy and indecisiveness?

We will not be a statistic. You will.

Was if JF Kerry? The personage of idiocy and indecisiveness?

We will not be a statistic. You will.

No, Stalin. Good job, thanks for playing, don't play ass-grap with the doorknob on your way out.

ooc: My last one too. JJR, I know what you mean. But other then their evolutionist theories, usually Scientific American isn't wrong...


And while SciAm is respectable, it's not the end all of scientific knowledge.

I bolded the "evolutionist theories" part because I find it hard to believe that you're a creationist GZ.

My homeworld, Atheos, is pronounced Aht ey oos. And yes, I am a creationist. Just because I don't sound like it here *according to you* doesn't mean that I'm not one...

A creationist?

Does this play over into your nation IC?

'cause, if so, prepare to find yourself dropped real fast. My nation has had some nasty experiences with religious types.

No. My nation is pretty secular... However, we search ferverently for relics of the Ancestors with a zealous passion...

And yes, I am a creationist

Fine by me. I think you're wrong, but to each their own. Just don't try and get it taught as science in public schools.



Just because I don't sound like it here *according to you* doesn't mean that I'm not one...

I don't know if this is directed to me or someone else. Either way I have no clue what you're talking about. Could you explain it a bit?

The second was pointed towards IE....

And as for the first, it should at least be acknowledged...

The second was pointed towards IE....

And as for the first, it should at least be acknowledged...

Point 1: All right.

Point 2: Sure, as a religious idea in a social studies class.

No, you wont. Trust me, I know.

Why? Sheer numbers?

Technology?

What?

Tell me, have you ever heard of a battle called Thermopylae?

300 Spartans armed with bronze weapons versus three million Persians with iron weapons?

Which force held the other off for a whole week, against all odds?

Oh, and GZ, do you have AIM or anything?

yeah...my AIM screen name is _-_-_-_-_

I will TG it to you

danged forums....

Why? Sheer numbers?

Technology?

What?

Tell me, have you ever heard of a battle called Thermopylae?

300 Spartans armed with bronze weapons versus three million Persians with iron weapons?

Which force held the other off for a whole week, against all odds?

Yes, the better trained soldiers with more experience and better knowledge of tactics did very well. I gues that means you'll win. Or at least it would if that wasn't the ESUS.

The ESUS, in addition to sheer numbers, also has more experience, better trained soldiers, people with more combat knowledge, and superior technology. Unless I'm mistaken, all the cards are in their hands.

Heh heh... or so you think... ^_^

Question: Do FTLi disable nothingspace shields? If not then I'll have a little present for you.

Yes, the better trained soldiers with more experience and better knowledge of tactics did very well. I gues that means you'll win. Or at least it would if that wasn't the ESUS.

The ESUS, in addition to sheer numbers, also has more experience, better trained soldiers, people with more combat knowledge, and superior technology. Unless I'm mistaken, all the cards are in their hands.

You humble me.

Yes, the better trained soldiers with more experience and better knowledge of tactics did very well. I gues that means you'll win. Or at least it would if that wasn't the ESUS.

The ESUS, in addition to sheer numbers, also has more experience, better trained soldiers, people with more combat knowledge, and superior technology. Unless I'm mistaken, all the cards are in their hands.

I must say that you are mistaken. As far as total naval power and sheer numbers, the AoN is very close behind the ESUS on its own. We have space marines and professional soldiers as the mainstay in our military. You can't get better than that. Our technology can match theirs as well. It really can't be compared, because it is very different. The AoN war council has some of the best leaders in the galaxy. (many of the actuall players have military experiance) All the cards are not in their hands.

Sure... you can go flush that if Crystal jumps in. I'm gonna go talk to him now. And tell him he should help us. Also, we have Kanuckistan, etc. My nation, in truth, should actually be comparable to the forces that GZ and his core of allies has, until he whipped out a crazy number like 155 thousand ships from his pants. I'll just deploy my Ker'Desne Cor Na'Dubin. It's the size of Earth's moon.

I must say that you are mistaken. As far as total naval power and sheer numbers, the AoN is very close behind the ESUS on its own. We have space marines and professional soldiers as the mainstay in our military. You can't get better than that. Our technology can match theirs as well. It really can't be compared, because it is very different. The AoN war council has some of the best leaders in the galaxy. (many of the actuall players have military experiance) All the cards are not in their hands.

Your fleets are actually larger than the ESUS fleets. However, they are far less powerful as the ESUS fleets are almost exclusively from billion + nations who have a lot of tech and RPing experience behind them. Result? AoN ships=dead.

The ESUS also has professional soldiers. In fact, some members (like me) have militaries made almost exclusively of enhanced super-soldiers a'la AMF.

Your technology can match ours eh? Riiight. The only thing I've seen is that superweapon that you've been toting around, and that seems rather like a unique, one ubership deal. Unless of course you can provide an explanation on how it works and why you could manufacture it...

The ESUS leaders have lots of RPing and Space warfare experience.

The ESUS is larger, more experienced in Space RPing, and we have the tech base to defeat just about anybody else.

Once again, it looks like the cards are in the ESUS' hands.

And hey, I bet none of YOUR troops can give cool texturing to grey objects! W00t!

Your fleets are actually larger than the ESUS fleets. However, they are far less powerful as the ESUS fleets are almost exclusively from billion + nations who have a lot of tech and RPing experience behind them. Result? AoN ships=dead.

The ESUS also has professional soldiers. In fact, some members (like me) have militaries made almost exclusively of enhanced super-soldiers a'la AMF.

Your technology can match ours eh? Riiight. The only thing I've seen is that superweapon that you've been toting around, and that seems rather like a unique, one ubership deal. Unless of course you can provide an explanation on how it works and why you could manufacture it...

The ESUS leaders have lots of RPing and Space warfare experience.

The ESUS is larger, more experienced in Space RPing, and we have the tech base to defeat just about anybody else.

Once again, it looks like the cards are in the ESUS' hands.

1.) Space marines are genetically enhanced super-soldiers.

2.) The numbers of our ships you have are unreliable. They included drone fighters. Many of our ships are 2+ Km long, heavily armoured, and with superb weapons. Meaning, our ships are bigger, stronger, and possibly faster.

3.) The AoN has been around a while. I may not be over 1 billion yet, but many of our members are. Our total research budget is equall to, if not greater than that of the ESUS. We actually were creative with our technology. Size really does not meen that your technology is better. That is just a ploy by larger nations to ensure that they are not threatened.

4.) I have an expansive RPing backround. (Not only here, but other places as well) I have personally read a great deal of military books and military science fiction. There are other members in the AoN who have actually been in the military.

5.) There is very little that we can't manufacture. With an extensive slave trade in the AoN, our countless forgeworlds can constantly work, building more and more, so long as we have raw materials. (Which we have a massive surpluss of)

You don't have the tactical skills capable of beating us, you don't have the numbers to pull off a desicive victory, you don't have the tech to dominate the war, and you don't have the industry and capability to outfight us in a war of attrition. Whoever wins, do not fool yourself into thinking that it will be easy to acheive this victory.


Jingle: the AoN alone has two regions. The Land of Chill (27 nations and 3 traveling recruiters) and Skaven Blight. (10 nations, all over 800 million, some over 1 billion) That is 40 nations in the AoN an average of about 800 million per nation. Then there is GZ and his score of allies. However, I am not here to talk smack(as fun as it is) I am here to make sure you do not go into this war with the assumption that it will be easy.

1.) Space marines are genetically enhanced super-soldiers.

2.) The numbers of our ships you have are unreliable. They included drone fighters. Many of our ships are 2+ Km long, heavily armoured, and with superb weapons. Meaning, our ships are bigger, stronger, and possibly faster.

3.) The AoN has been around a while. I may not be over 1 billion yet, but many of our members are. Our total research budget is equall to, if not greater than that of the ESUS. We actually were creative with our technology. Size really does not meen that your technology is better. That is just a ploy by larger nations to ensure that they are not threatened.

4.) I have an expansive RPing backround. (Not only here, but other places as well) I have personally read a great deal of military books and military science fiction. There are other members in the AoN who have actually been in the military.

5.) There is very little that we can't manufacture. With an extensive slave trade in the AoN, our countless forgeworlds can constantly work, building more and more, so long as we have raw materials. (Which we have a massive surpluss of)

You don't have the tactical skills capable of beating us, you don't have the numbers to pull off a desicive victory, you don't have the tech to dominate the war, and you don't have the industry and capability to outfight us in a war of attrition. Whoever wins, do not fool yourself into thinking that it will be easy to acheive this victory.


Jingle: the AoN alone has two regions. The Land of Chill (27 nations and 3 traveling recruiters) and Skaven Blight. (10 nations, all over 800 million, some over 1 billion) That is 40 nations in the AoN an average of about 800 million per nation. Then there is GZ and his score of allies. However, I am not here to talk smack(as fun as it is) I am here to make sure you do not go into this war with the assumption that it will be easy.

1. I've read on space marines. They can't hold a candle to some of the armies in the ESUS.

2. Your point? Most of my fleets consist of 4.5 kilometer long battleships capable of completely destroying almost anything they come across.

3. How many of those are active members though? If you count inactive members, the ESUS has 56 members. Just about all of them over a billion. Some over two billion or three billion.

Also size is not a ploy by larger nations. That's just a ploy by smaller nations to make them look powerful. It's simple logic. If you have more people and more money, you can research technology faster. You've got more scientists and the money to actually develope ubertechs.

4. Okay. That's good. At least we aren't dealing with n00bzors like some people in space tech.

5. That's the same situation with the ESUS, except that the ESUS has just been in a total war, and our industry is fully geared up for war production. (And the fact that virtually nobody in the ESUS was attacked directly...)

But we DO have the skills to beat you. Tactical, technological, size, everything.

1.) Space marines are genetically enhanced super-soldiers.

2.) The numbers of our ships you have are unreliable. They included drone fighters. Many of our ships are 2+ Km long, heavily armoured, and with superb weapons. Meaning, our ships are bigger, stronger, and possibly faster.

3.) The AoN has been around a while. I may not be over 1 billion yet, but many of our members are. Our total research budget is equall to, if not greater than that of the ESUS. We actually were creative with our technology. Size really does not meen that your technology is better. That is just a ploy by larger nations to ensure that they are not threatened.

4.) I have an expansive RPing backround. (Not only here, but other places as well) I have personally read a great deal of military books and military science fiction. There are other members in the AoN who have actually been in the military.

5.) There is very little that we can't manufacture. With an extensive slave trade in the AoN, our countless forgeworlds can constantly work, building more and more, so long as we have raw materials. (Which we have a massive surpluss of)

You don't have the tactical skills capable of beating us, you don't have the numbers to pull off a desicive victory, you don't have the tech to dominate the war, and you don't have the industry and capability to outfight us in a war of attrition. Whoever wins, do not fool yourself into thinking that it will be easy to acheive this victory.


Jingle: the AoN alone has two regions. The Land of Chill (27 nations and 3 traveling recruiters) and Skaven Blight. (10 nations, all over 800 million, some over 1 billion) That is 40 nations in the AoN an average of about 800 million per nation. Then there is GZ and his score of allies. However, I am not here to talk smack(as fun as it is) I am here to make sure you do not go into this war with the assumption that it will be easy.

1: Yeah, and we have entire divisions of genetically CREATED soldiers, which inject thier enemies with an assimilating bacteria and turn them into harvestable piles of flesh.
2: And I have a bullet which will go all the way through the length of your 2+ KM ships.
3: Look at me! I have 3 billion people! I've been around longer and have had more time to research!
4: So do I, I've done forum battles, real-time, text-based RPs, I've played D&D, Warhammer 40k, chess, etc. I know about tactics. And being in the military might give you basic tactics, but that much just about everyone has. If you're a gun-toter in the military, you're needed for strength, not your brain. Not saying you're stupid, I'm just saying that it's not neccesarily what militaries are looking for.
5: I like to stripmine entire planets to thier cores after making all of thier inhabitants my slaves. What about you?

5: I like to stripmine entire planets to thier cores after making all of thier inhabitants my slaves. What about you?

ooc> You too? Were like brothers! Lmao. :p

1.) These are not average space marines. They have been perfected, and have some of the best training in the universe.

2.) We have 4+ KM long ships as well. Desolator! hehehe.

3.) I didn't say that SIZE was a ploy, I said that larger nations always saying that they automatically have better tech was a ploy. Look at Germany; they didn't even become a nation until long after GB did. But by WW1, they had some of the best weapons in the world. Look at the US, they are one of the youngest nations in the world, but they have preaty much the best technology in the world. You see, just because a NS nation was just formed, does not meen that they began at the stone age.
BTW, I am NOT counting inactive nations. We tend to boot inactive players from our alliance.

4.) No, I don't meen gun-toters. I mean luitenants, majors, etc...

5.) The AoN has been fully geared for war during the entire time. Except, we have been stockpiling, not using. Meaning, we have more saved up.


Anyways, avoid comming across as godmodding numberwanking RPers who can't even consider the fact that they might lose. There is always something that you havn't considered, something that can't counter. Don't forget this.

My alliance is better than your alliance!
No mine's better!
Nuuh uuh!

That's all this argument is leading to. The ESUS does in fact have some strong military powers, as well as weak ones. The AoN has some decently strong military powers, as well as a lot of weak ones. At this point in time the ESUS would win a war if it was directly between both alliances, but Gronde is correct, not decisively. This all could change in time, but for now we must face the facts.

My alliance is better than your alliance!
No mine's better!
Nuuh uuh!

That's all this argument is leading to. The ESUS does in fact have some strong military powers, as well as weak ones. The AoN has some decently strong military powers, as well as a lot of weak ones. At this point in time the ESUS would win a war if it was directly between both alliances, but Gronde is correct, not decisively. This all could change in time, but for now we must face the facts.

Nuuuuh uuuh! Mine is better! lol

Of course the ESUS could beat the AoN on its own. Not easily, mind you, our power base is quite firm. But there is still GZ and his alliance.

Now, since we are already talking about the war oocly, we should consider a way to keep the war RP from getting flooded. I suggest, instead of every member of each alliance posting, each alliance should select a few "forum voices" to RP the actions of the alliance. This leaves each alliance to plan elsewhere and organize their actions without flooding our war.

Nuuuuh uuuh! Mine is better! lol

Of course the ESUS could beat the AoN on its own. Not easily, mind you, our power base is quite firm. But there is still GZ and his alliance.

Now, since we are already talking about the war oocly, we should consider a way to keep the war RP from getting flooded. I suggest, instead of every member of each alliance posting, each alliance should select a few "forum voices" to RP the actions of the alliance. This leaves each alliance to plan elsewhere and organize their actions without flooding our war.

GZ is the only member of his alliance participating, along with freelance player industrial experiment.

ooc> That's ok, I really wasn't depending on his alliance anyways.

I am sorry CF, I already stated earlier that I was going to help GZ for my own reasons earlier in the thread. Did the post like, get deleted or something, did you miss that post entirely or just what happened here?

I am sorry CF, I already stated earlier that I was going to help GZ for my own reasons earlier in the thread. Did the post like, get deleted or something, did you miss that post entirely or just what happened here?


I guess I forgot you.

No matter. Resistance is futile. You will be annhilated. ;) Just kidding. But don't expect to escape with no losses either.

Well, I really can't be bothered reading through page after page of back and forth "omg I rulez j00." So forgive my ignorance.

I'm here also.... on the ESUS side, given that I'm in the ESUS, obviously. And just to flip the tables on its head..... OMFG!!!!!shift+1 My shipzorz are t3h crapzest! No, really, they ain't so hot. A little tricksy, but I've got no real intention of using my uberlaser of death, simply because it bores me. So anyway. I've declared myself, my allegiance, and my ships general lack of omg quality. Where's the punch and pie?


...tag?
Also, the suggestion of keeping the forum posting down a bit.... it's got merit, but how do you implement the whole 3 people (or whatever number) conducting the entire ESUS attack? I mean, if each of use writes up a post, then it gets combined to one uber post, then I suppose that works.