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Official Announcement

To whom it may concern,

It has come to my attention that the commitment of various powers within the Organisation of Maritime Powers to the alliance has started to wane through discontent or apathy, and the situation has not been helped by the fact that several members (who shall remain nameless) choose to unilaterally engage Dyelli pirates with what can be described as overbearing force.

In order to remedy the apathy, and restore the activity of various OMP nations, as well working as a public relations exercise to inform those interested of what we do as an alliance, we now propose a large, OMP-wide naval exercise involving multiple types of maritime warfare in one or several locations to be decided upon in pre-simulation discussions.

Therefore, the invitation goes out to every member of the OMP to take part in the exercise, and to anyone else who is interested to be an observer in the combat simulations. We expect responses from all concerned promptly is possible, as we feel the sooner these exercises are undertaken the sooner we can restore the alliance to its glorious whole.

Yours faithfully,

Admiral James Cunningham, Commander-in-Chief of the Freethinker Armed Forces

OOC: So, yeah, I think that a good exercise is just what our alliance needs. This thread will act as the discussion forum before the exercises begin, and then as the OOC thread once the exercises are underway properly.

Hope to hear from you.

*bump*

alright, so let it be done *tag*

The ARSB agrees with the Freethinkers on this. An OMP-wide wargames will not only allow us to work together but enhance our skills, especially if these wargames envelope different scenarios in different locations with a multitude of different ships, providing optimum training possibilities.

The ARSB would gladly take part in these wargames and we look forward to them taking place. We thank the Freethinkers for taking the initiative to do this, keep up the good work.

Official Communiqué

To: Admiral James Cunningham
From: Chief Admiral McDowell, GN
Subject: OMP Wargames

Dear Sir,

We find the notion of an alliance-wide series of naval actions to be very appropriate at this time. Due to the recent unfortunate incidents that have taken place, we also feel this would be a good time to improve and promote friendly cooperation between member states. Therefore, it is with tremendous hope that I request the Commonwealth's navy be allowed to participate in these wargames.

Before such an excerise can take place, we wish to know of the details. Time, and place is of great importance. In terms of scenario, we wish to propose the division of participants into 2 groups, one with access to limited airfields on land, whose role is to prevent an amphibious landing. The other team will try to facilitate the disembarkment of a certain amount of troops. There should be no or few shore defenses. In this case, each member will be allowed up to 100 vessels including amphibious assault ships.

Any further thoughts?

Best Regards,

Chief Admiral Douglas McDowell
Commander in Chief of the Granzian Navy
Commonwealth of Granzi

OOC: Well, since it seems that the forum on Doujin's site somehow collapsed following his absense, I'm thinking that this could be somehow of a suitable place.

But yeah, I'm still here, despite the fact that my involvment will decrease with the coming of a new school year.

IC:

The Omzian Ministry of National Defence (MOND) and the Omzian Navy, seeking a way of staying active within the OMP organization after the call of Doujin's government as an influencial body, expresses its interest as a wargame perfectly suit this particular need to keep up the OMP. We also think that aside from the benefits or gaining experience that a massive "multi-scenario" wargame, this particular group activity would also enhance our capabilities to coordinate with other friendly forces in multinational operations, and strengthen the overall ties between the nations of the OMP.

Therefore, the Omzian Navy express its interests of taking part in the wargames. We wish that this wagame will not only provide the standard anti-surface and surface strike scenarios from CVBGs, but also other variety of important aspects of naval operations such as submarine operations against hostile targets, naval air operations against land, sea, and underwater targets, small to large scale amphibious operations against hostile beaches,
and special operations. Along with this, we also wish that it is best for us to operate as a whole group in different scenarios, as to give us a chance to get familiar with other friendly forces and greater chances of establishing complete coordination with each other.

With this, we would be glad to participate in the exercises, and we are much looking towards such exercises if this has been made possible.

Foreign Relations Department,
Omzian Navy

Ministry of National Defence

Our navy is currently thoroughly engaged in active combat; however, we would never pass up a chance for a multinational training excercise. Zoogiedom would like to declare its participation in the event, although our naval technology is not overwhelming compared to some (I use RL ships mostly).

OOC: Well, its good to see so many replies :D Ill sort something out anyway.

Sarzonia currently has committments that would render an exercise impractical. However, we will not completely close the door to the possibility.

John Newman
Navy Chief
Incorporated Sarzonian Navy

The entire Tokarev navy is presently deployed in a war against the aggressors Hudecia, but we will keep track of these naval excercises and will hopefully participate in the future.

Fleet Admiral Isoruku Yamamoto
Chief of Maritime Staff (COMS)

OOC:
I'm confused. I thought Hudecia was an ally of the OMP? Pacific Northwesteria has fought side by side with them multiple times. What happened to change this?

[Oh, and also, PN thinks this is an excellent idea, especially the mock-landing scenario with the land-based aircraft and whatnot]

Greetings, OMP members.

The Republic of Sharina would like to observe and participate in the naval excerises. We are in need of serious naval training, so that our navy can stave off potential invaders.

We eagerly await your reply.

Live well,
President Rand Veristek

Tag

In response to PN:

IC: We have had good relations with both Hudecia and Xiaguo, a mutual defensive pact with the latter since the ending of the Daylami Campaigns. The Commonwealth is currently neutral in the latest Korean war, but we may take action against Tokarev.

The various department heads of the Crookfur naval command are very pleased at this prospect and would be extrmemely pleased to gain more practical experince along side our allies.

We woudl parhaps suggest that as well as purely tactical operations we should also work on strategic deployment plans (like the US navy's summer surge exercise when they deployed all of thier CBGs for exercises simultainously). Also perhaps a begiining can be made on developing procedures for the use of JMOSBs, crookfur would of course offer the use of gannet base (our old prototype JMOSB that is based in our waters) and soem early production examples of sections for the future structures.

Official Communique

To Whom It May Concern

Dear sirs,

I am proud to see the excellent response to my request, and am heartened by the emphusiasm displayed by many of our fellow nations within the Organisation of Maritime Powers. Having recieved so many positive replies, I feel it is appropriate to begin formative discussions as to the time, location and nature of the suggested exercise.

With regards to this, the basic proposal of our Admiralty has been hastily completed, and currently presents a rough overview of what the simulation will include.

With regards to the location, we put forward that the Southern Training Theatre of the Freethinkers, located on our mainland's southern shore, a multi-aspect firing range the size of california completely cleared for all military operations. Occupying a thousand kilometres of coastline and going both out to sea and into the interior for a distance of several hundred miles. The harsh, dry, desert like climate will be a tough test on man and machine, but the tougher the test is, we feel, the better it will prepare our men.

What the exercise will include is the attempted landing of a marine force which will then move inland to try and capture three 'enemy bases', which have been provided by the Freethinker Logistic Corp as their three major STT depots. One group of OMP powers will be conducting and supporting the landing, whilst another, smaller set, along with the Freethinker Army and Aerospace force on land, will be attempting to force the landing to be aborted.

The exercise will test a large number of our skills, including supporting and supplying an amphibious assault, naval land support, full scale surface and sub0surface warfare and also help improve cross-service communications and cooperation. The exercise will also allow us to compare the capabilities of our vessels in order to assess strengths and weaknesses of our servicemen and equipment.

We hope to hear a reply very soon, and we look forward to the exercise. We have decided, in the Freethinker military, to call this Operation: Bastille, and we hope to see this exercise through to a successful completion.

Thank you.

Admiral Cunningham, MC, FNS

Freethinker Admiralty, Navarre

[I'm not in the mood to make a long-winded IC post, but count me in.]

The Veritasean Imperial Navy is, of course, interested; however, we have one reservation. If all OMP members are involved in the excercise (or even just half of them) there will be a ridiculously large amount of ships involved. Thus, we propose that each nation send only one (or two) vessels to the excercise and then compose two "teams" and have them enter into combat against one another. [OOC: This would make for much better character and plot development and would be more successful as a PR move] This is, of course, only a suggestion, but we hope it will be given due consideration.

OOC: Do we have any new forums yet?
IC:

The ROCN will be honored to participate in the upcoming round of war games for the OMP. It will be an opportunity for all OMP members to test new doctrines and equipment against each other, ensuring security for the OMP and the world.

President Zhang
Republic of China

OOC: I know that this is something of a threadjack and I apologise for it, so please don't be angry. But myself and USSNA were considering application to join the OMP; we would like to know what criteria there are for application.

[Taiwan, see the Doujin Quits thread.
DPUO: I don't know that here is any, pretty much the objections of members.]

Communique of the Omzian Navy
To: Admiral Cunningham, MC, FNS
CC: Nations involved within OMP
BCC: Omzian units
Security: Alpha Whisky




The Omzian Navy is very interested in the current proposal, as the Omzian Navy has been in need of an international naval exercise since the success of the homeland defence operation against foreign aggression a while ago. However, we also agree with Unum Veritas' proposal, as we also feel that a large group of different ships from each nation would not only complicate the coordination process, but would be instead unrealistic for both sides, as this is simply a practice of OMP's capabilities as a whole, and that the Omzian Navy is better suited in operations with a combined unit of smaller scales.

Of course, as a secondary concern, the Omzian Navy is also interested in a map detailing the operation, as this would serve greatly in preventing confusion during the operation, and help to build up a proper image of the situation of the battlefield for commanders of naval groups. The Omzian Interior Affairs Ministry and Omzian Military Intelligence Bureau (MIBU) is willing to assist in the joint creation of such map.

As a final note, it has been decided that elements of the 2nd Flotilla [OOC: our organization is so to say, a bit different when it comes to naval matters /OOC] from the Eastern Fleet would be capable of participating in the operation as a unit of a smaller scale. Expected participating units are expected to be selected from the Fourteenth, Eleventh, and Eighth Carrier Battlegroups (ONCS Ocean CVN-14 CVBG, ONCS Hoganporte CVAN-11, ONCS Admiral Jorana CVN-8); the First and the Fourth Bombardment Groups (ONCS Toryu BBG-1 BBGB, ONCS Deanare BBG-4 BBGB); the 2nd and 3rd Amphibious Operations Groups (AMOGs).

As the decision-making process comes to a close, we wish best luck to all participants, and thank the Freethinker Admiral for proposing this excellent opportunity to getting prepared for a new future.

Regards,

Ministry of National Defence

Admiral Yankze Hagres,
Omzian Navy Commander-in-Chief, Central Military Committee Member,

Rear Admiral Hongars Logan,
Chief of 2nd Flotilla of Eastern Fleet, CMD2NDFEF

OOC: DPUO;

www.s7.invisionfree.com/omp

Go to the membership section and make an application.

There are no formal requirements but, it does aid application considerably if you can show:

1) You have a working knowledge of navy operations
2) You have a working knowledge of ship design
3) You have a reasonable RP record.

None of these are exclusive, but we do appreciate those who take the time to inform us. :) Good luck.

I think UV is on the right track, I would like to see each member bring in no more than a five vessels. It would lead to a more interesting RP.

We think the propositions made by both UV and Hamptonshire to be intriguing. However, 2 or 5 vessels seems to be too little to accomplish the goals of what this wargame stands for, and also the likely scenario. The idea deserves merit, however. We hereby suggest that each member bring no more than 15-30 ships, the exact number yet to be determined.

OOC: Oh, I don't know...say a Battleship, a carrier of some sort, four destroyers and four AORs each? Not too large a formation, so the RP doesn't get overbearingly large and confusing, but ample to play around with and providing a decent degree of flexibility.

OOC: I am freed up for the naval excercise, will post better IC stuff when I get the chance in a couple of days (school's a killer).

[You can't even conduct a decent amphibious landing with five ships. I'm sending a single division to South Korea and that requires twenty ships just to ship the equipment and men.]

OOC: Here's the map:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v195/The_Freethinkers/westSTT.png

Alpha team will be trying to take the 3 bases, Charlie team will be trying to stop them. We are going to be limited in numbers, for the reasons put forward, but also because, especially Alpha team, it forces us all to take one specific area of warfare and cooperate with other players in order to make sure we have fully functioning battlegroups.

In a full scale OMP conflict, the chances of one of us supply one fully equipped fleet are next to nil, so we have to be prepared to trust one another and work with each other to achieve the desired results. Thats wat the point of this exercise is and why Im restricting the number of ships to fifteen (15) for each faction. What ships you bring will be up to you.

As for domestic forces, there will be armoured division(12,000 men with 360 tanks and thousands of recon/supply vehicles) defending the three camps.The Freethinker air force will be simulating domestic air power, so Alpha team watch out.

Now, we have to work on whose going in which force?

OOC: Since I have never actually fought a defensive war proper, I wouldn't mind volunteering for a role in the Charlie force. I would provide the allotted 15 ships in defense, a total of four squadrons of aircraft, and no more than 10,000 men in the ground defence role, including logistics, support, and command personel.

OOC: Well, I'll be probably sending some subs, since I'm pretty interested in conducting some underseas warfare (and since I'm most interested in testing how much I actually know about the area) and taking the submarine part of the Alpha force. However, I will also be probably deploying a small number of ships for air defence. The looks are probably like the following:

Submarine Squadron First and Second, 5th Separate Submarine Group, 2nd Flotilla -- 2x Dolphin II SSN (hunter-killer type), 4x Leviathan SSN ("multirole"), 4x SSGN of type-yet-to-be-determined (3 will be probably for the land strike role while the other 1 will be probably for anti-ship roles).

Also, another concern: will this be some kind of "100% simulated" exercise where we'll just have simulated cruise missile launches and air-to-air engagements and radar lock ons (without the actual activation of rocket motors or at least, without the actual explosion and killing of actual personnel), or some form of actual live-fire exercise that we'll have the actual losses "ignored" (i.e. fire missiles and kill sailors but not taking the losses into actual account OOCly)? It seems to me that the latter way to do this is more unrealistic so to say, and that it actually takes the RP out of this by simply firing 1,000 cruise missiles and another 400 anti-ship missiles.

Well, it doesn't matter to me as my strength lies on land but I have too many new naval 'toys' to try out. So, we'll go wherever you need us.

If added to Alpha team we'll probably deploy airborne forces (to act as a light reinforcement force for the already placed defensive units) and an airborne armor force with some heavy land based elements. This may change, depending on scenario.

Naval forces will most likely include one of our new arsenal ships, an SSGN, two or three SSNs, handful of destroyers, a couple frigates, and the rest will be marine assault ships (including a helo/VTOL carrier).

I'm going to be on offense. I'll probably be sending a squadron of aircraft carriers, a four-ship division of battlecruisers, and three SSNs.

I'll probably have to sit this out, since I will shortly have little time available to RP something in detail. Sorry guys! However, I will be observing...¬_¬

OOC: Freethinker, I can't see the map.

I'll probably be on Charley team, to work on RPing my ground forces. Deployment will most likely be a mechanized marine division, with some fighter/bomber assets for support.

Crookfur will be happy to go with which ever side.
the actual organisation for a role in the attacking froce could be a problem as if i was to supply a full marine divsional unit it would need 29 vessels but i suppose i coudls trip off half of those and operate without an armour brigade and one of the air assault brigades(ie bringing 1 air assault and 2 light infantry brigades).

On the defensive side it would be easier as my 18,000man ready divsions are designed to be multirole but priamrily defensive units (think emchanised infantry).

Sending 5 La-Fayette Class Frigates and 3 Nuclear armed dolphin submarines. Don't ask me why, im just a little suspicious that we might be on hostile waters.

Will add in a aircraft carrier which can support our VTOL Harrier Aircraft.

Sending 5 La-Fayette Class Frigates and 3 Nuclear armed dolphin submarines. Don't ask me why, im just a little suspicious that we might be on hostile waters.

Will add in a aircraft carrier which can support our VTOL Harrier Aircraft.

Not to be rude or anything but do we know you?

This exercise is defiantly intended for memebers of the OMP so unless youa re someone loging in witht he wrong nation we would ahve to decline your involvment.

The Council of Durass requests permission to observe the exercises. If allowed, we would like to send a small task force (1 Carrier, 2 AA Detroyers, 3 ASW Frigates, 2 SSNs and 2-4 support ships) from which to base our observers.

(OOC: The TF is for flavour, not to be involved in the exercise.)

Councilor Gerggs - Naval Representative
Militocratic Dominion of Durass

Does it really take that many ships just to observe? One ELINT style vessel would suffice, surely. This is not permission, just a simple enquiry.

I'd be weary of any observers at all, especially considering this is in the Straights.

OOC:

I take it that my nation won't be allowed to participate or observe the OMP naval excerises?

I'd like to learn naval tactics, and my nation could use some naval training and knowledge.

OOC: Actually, the exercise is taking place on the Southern Freethinker mainland, not its territories in Haven. The Freethinker mainland is located in the Atlantic (roughly near the Canarias).

Nations are permitted to observe the exercise, so long as they maintain only a small presence and do not interfere with the exercise. I do not expect large battlefleets 'observing' just off our southern shore.

OOC: Well, first a requote of my question

Also, another concern: will this be some kind of "100% simulated" exercise where we'll just have simulated cruise missile launches and air-to-air engagements and radar lock ons (without the actual activation of rocket motors or at least, without the actual explosion and killing of actual personnel), or some form of actual live-fire exercise that we'll have the actual losses "ignored" (i.e. fire missiles and kill sailors but not taking the losses into actual account OOCly)? It seems to me that the latter way to do this is more unrealistic so to say, and that it actually takes the RP out of this by simply firing 1,000 cruise missiles and another 400 anti-ship missiles.

However, I think observers should be fine as long as they don't get too close and interfere with our exercise... Although for the purpose of the exercise I'm going to ICly have the ROE reduced to a weapons hold for live fire. The Atlantic's also a bit far away from me (as we are in the Pacific), but I don't really think nuclear submarines needs a lot of time.

I would be sending maybe 2 or 3 ships.

Configuration 1:

1 aircraft carrier
2 battleships


OR

Configuration 2:

1 battleship
2 cruisers


Thats pretty much what I'd be sending over, and certainly won't interfere with any OMP excerises. However, they are willing to provide aid in emergencies and such.

I would be sending maybe 2 or 3 ships.

Configuration 1:

1 aircraft carrier
2 battleships


OR

Configuration 2:

1 battleship
2 cruisers


Thats pretty much what I'd be sending over, and certainly won't interfere with any OMP excerises. However, they are willing to provide aid in emergencies and such.

Again the OMP advice would be to not bother, a single intel fishing baot or a recon sat would do the job far far better and there is less chance of lossing soemthign expensive if a logn rnaged missile goes off course.

To Whom It May Concern,

The Al-Sabirian Navy would be honored to participate in this particular naval exercise, but due to global committments to allies and various national causes our attendance to this drill will be limited. However, we are willing to take the shore bombardment role of the aggressor, Alpha Force, and we have merged the 41st Bombardment Squadron and elements the 1st Destroyer Squadron for this purpose. Existing out of two Zuiho Class BBs, four Hiragi Class CAs, two Firestorm Class Arsenal Ships, three Archer Class DDs and four Setsuna Class MPRSs, the 99th Shore Bombardment Squadron (Provisional) can support ground forces through bombardment of enemy coastal and inland positions via naval guns and cruise missiles. They can also perform secondary anti-aircraft and ASuW support roles.

We will also send over a small ELINT vessel to the purpose of observing the entire operation.

Regards,

Abdullah Mohammed Sharif
Ministry of Defense
The Arab Republic of Al-Sabir

As Stevid is a member of the OMP, we would like take part in this event.

We will be sending 3 type- 45 destroyers and three only.

HMS Denvenshire
HMS Shoreside
HMS Long Town

We will send two of our newly commisioned Amagi-class Battlecruisers.

ITS Amagi
ITS Amahi

OOC: Please state which force you wish to be part of as well.

Hamptonshire:

3 x Quantum Class Amphibous Assault Carriers
4 x Newport Class DDGNs
2 x Majesty Class Land Attack Destroyers
1 x Valiant Class BCN
1 x Merciless Class Air-Defense Cruiser

I'll be an attacker.

Got a question: Would Charley team be able to utilize naval forces as well? Or would they be limited in terms of combat to ground and aerial warfare?

OOC - Well, my numbers are pretty much what I said earlier, with some modifications:

5th Separate Submarine Group --
2x Dolphin II SSN (ONCS Dolphin, ONCS City of Hagrasporte)
3x Leviathan SSN (Escort)
2x Chimera SSGN (with possible special operational forces detachment)

Elements of the Second Carrier Battle Group --
2x Fenrir CG (Escort)
2x Centaur DDG (Bombardment)
2x Cardinal DDG (Escort)
1x Clan Grant AOR (ONSS City of Vansara)

But if anyone needs amphibious lifting, I'll be glad to provide some in exchange of some of my actual combat vessels.

Or rather, if the Alpha force is too big, I'll be glad to switch to the Charlie side and provide a Mech Inf division, some air assets from both the Omzian Air Force and Naval Aviation services, and a small force of corvettes and LCS vessels. Either side is fine by me, so long as we're all equal in terms of balance.

send a small task force (1 Carrier, 2 AA Detroyers, 3 ASW Frigates, 2 SSNs and 2-4 support ships) from which to base our observers.

This TF is currently in the Atlantic enroute to one of our allies and is a standard carrier group for our navy. Originally we would have used ELINT aircraft aboard the carrier to provide observation, the rest of the TF doing their standard role of escort. However, we do have another smaller task force that may be more appropriate near the area.

This TF consists of 2 Frigates, 1 SSN and a Support/Research Ship. They are currrently doing SONAR testing and would be appropriate to the task. Most likely the frigates would do a port call while the SSN and S/R ship would do the observing. The SSN's (and frigates') sonar systems have been modified for testing purposes to act as a remote transmitter/reciever with the S/R ship, best described as giving the sonar equivalent to synthetic aperture radar. In essence, the two vessels will give us a good 3D view of both surface and subsurface activity over a large portion of the test area.

If this second request meets with your approval, please advise. Also, if there is a suitable port where the frigates could stop over, that would also be appreciated.

Councilor Gerggs - Naval Representative
Militocratic Dominion of Durass

OOC: I'll be an attacker.

You know, I just had the most evil idea... Is there a cap to how many aircraft we can use?

EDIT: Is there an island or piece of mainland that we can stage from?

OOC:

As a member of Charlie team, i will be deploying the following assets

<Naval>
1 x Type 23 ASW frigate
2 x River class patrol boats
6 x Pegasus hydrofoil patrol boats
4 x Hydra minelayer/sweeper

<Ground Forces>
1st Airborne Armour division (24 medium tanks, 36 APCs, 360 infantrymen)
23rd Light Infantry (2,500 personnel, including support/logistics staff)
32nd Light Infantry (See above)
9th Armour (60 tanks, 12 scout vehicles, assorted engineering vehicles)
18th Combat Engineers (4 MSAM-4 Razor SAM sites, 4 bridging vehicles, numerous transport vehicles for supporting all troops above, 2 minelaying vehicles)

<Airborne>
224 Squadron (24 x F-39 Viper fighter-bomber)
617 Squadron (10 x Nimrod Mk4 naval patrol aircraft)
153 Squadron (12 x EB-1C Vampire bomber)
248 Squadron (24 x EA/B-5 Shrike attack aircraft)

I was under the impression that Freethinker would be supplying the ground and land-based air units.

The Veritasean Imperial Navy is, of course, interested; however, we have one reservation. If all OMP members are involved in the excercise (or even just half of them) there will be a ridiculously large amount of ships involved. Thus, we propose that each nation send only one (or two) vessels to the excercise and then compose two "teams" and have them enter into combat against one another. [OOC: This would make for much better character and plot development and would be more successful as a PR move] This is, of course, only a suggestion, but we hope it will be given due consideration.

While Pacific Northwesteria understands and agrees with your reasoning, we find it unlikely that sending one ship will significantly improve the training of our Navy as a whole. One elite frigate is not the intent; At least as PN understands it this is to be a fleet training exercise.
As a sort of compromise, we propose multiple "events". There will be some events where each individual Navy gets to show it's mettle, and some where the entire OMP and her allies each send 1 ship, to practice inter-fleet coordination on a small scale. Both are necessary: one for training our navies, and the other for strengthening the OMP.

[Not even a quarter of the OMP is active right now, so there's no reason to suspect that this exercise will be overly large.]

[Unfortunately, this is true. I'm willing to be on either team, and my deployments will depend on where I am needed.]

*Bump*

Are we going to let this whole plan/thread/exercise die?

OOC: Not sure. Im still up for it if everyone else is.

I'd be willing to go through with this.

I'll be up for it next week.

I'm ready to rock.

Sure, why not?