NationStates Jolt Archive

One morning when the President woke up he heard lots on noise outside.
He walked to the window.
He saw the largest crowd he'd ever seen. 300 000 people had gathered outside the Government Building.
He called for the Prime minister.
He ran into the bedroom.

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- What the hell is this all about?

- They are trying to overthrow the government. They miss the good old Communist days.

- What should i do? Send in the army? Bomb them?

- Remember your motto sir. "The Will of the People is our Law"

- Your right, i should resign.

- That would be best. We don't want another Civil War.

The President dressed up and went outside. The crowd started to scream at him.

CLF WILL RULE THE SD!!!
WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE!!!
DOWN WITH THE CAPITALIST SWINES!!!

The Secret Service escorted him to the Press.
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- Mr President, how are you reacting to this?

- This is democracy, i cannot do anything. And that concernes me.'

- Mr President, are you gonna resign?

He suddenly stopped. He asked for the mic to the Victory Square Sound System..

- - PEOPLE OF NEW STOCKHOLM AND THE SD. THIS WILL BE MY LAST SPEECH. I AM NOW RESIGNING AND TURNING OVER THE POWER TO THE CLT LEADER - Lars Zetterlund.

the Huge crowd started cheering..... Balloons, bullhorns you name it.

Lars Zetterlund tapped on Tim Kocharians back and said.

- This is democracy.....

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The Press approched him and said.

- Are you happy?

- Of course. This happened so fast and non violent. This is a dream coming true. We will still have a democratic system but with more Communist ideals.

- Are you gonna party tonite?

- Of course.

Later that night

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- I couldn't be happier..... there is only 2 weeks until i'm in power....

Hadula applauds the change in the Swedish Dominions, and hopes you live many long years of industrial prosperity and peace within your nation. As a sign of congratulations, the Dominus sends a large gold cast hammer and sickle worth over two million dollars to be displayed at official occasions.

Not again. We don't need Communism being spread.

Ooc:

If you're interested

Vertical Envelopment Inc, a division of the Mississippian Private Military Conglomerate, stands ready to assist the right-wingers or whoever the anti-communists are. All you have to do is ask for their help, and pay the fee for their services.

Vertical Envelopment: 10 Parachute Divisions, each based on the standard CM organization except they each have only 250 C-130s and 100 Mi-24s. They are all Ex-Paratroopers, they have OICW and XM8s, they are organized into standard CM armed forces division organization. Cost 50 billion per month

Congratualtions, comrades. Perhaps you are interested in join the First Communist International?

OOC: I'd like to know your definition of Communism, Sevaris... I need a good laugh.

OOC: I'd like to know your definition of Communism, Sevaris... I need a good laugh.
[OOC: I agree with CR. There are many kinds of Socialism, but mainly can be defined as Socialism-From-Above or Socialism-From-Below. I'm a supporter of the second type (less authoritarian.) But what exactly do you mean by Communism?]

The Parthian Fascist Party has marched through the streets of Persepolis demanding the Parthian government launch overwhelming force to defeat the Leftist cancerous growth that spreads rapidly through the world.

The Shah has yet to make a descision.

The Parthian Fascist Party has marched through the streets of Persepolis demanding the Parthian government launch overwhelming force to defeat the Leftist cancerous growth that spreads rapidly through the world.

The Shah has yet to make a descision.

*wonders if this was Parthian's first move WITHOUT CM telling him to do it..*

*minutes later, is handed something by a KGB officer*

Oh, no. Sorry.

All OOC^

*wonders if this was Parthian's first move WITHOUT CM telling him to do it..*

*minutes later, is handed something by a KGB officer*

Oh, no. Sorry.

All OOC^

OOC: It is, I'm not CM's puppet.

OOC: It is, I'm not CM's puppet.

OOC: I never said puppet. I said pet.

We are most concerned about this and we fear that this revolution will spread.
We are putting Counter revolutionary command at higest alert.
We would gladly help removing these lefties from the power and reinstate DS`s TRUE leader.

We hereby congratulate the people of Swedish Dominions on attaining socialism.

We are most concerned about this and we fear that this revolution will spread.
We are putting Counter revolutionary command at higest alert.
We would gladly help removing these lefties from the power and reinstate DS`s TRUE leader.
And Hadula will gladly defend the newly peacefully and democratically instated government. Our compatriot and comrade Tim Kocharian made the right decision, as this is the government his people want, and we support the decision.

This only proves to us that the "right-wingers" are too quick to action, back to the days reactionary states. If you declare war, then we will stand by our friend, the Swedish Dominion, and protect its people for your iron hand. You have no business meddling in the affairs of others.

We refuse to trade with Swedish Dominions, as part of our ongoing campaign to obliterate the cancer of Communism from the earth. We are also taking steps to form a blockade of the nation.

We refuse to trade with Swedish Dominions, as part of our ongoing campaign to obliterate the cancer of Communism from the earth. We are also taking steps to form a blockade of the nation.
A blockade such as this is completely unwarranted and would be considered an act of aggression.

And so the reactionaries show their fear once again...

Any blockade of SD by Dreguk, leading to the interception of any of our merchant marine, will be accordingly treated as a hostile act.

Congratulations. It is a hostile action. That's kinda the point of a blockade.

Congratulations. It is a hostile action. That's kinda the point of a blockade.

let me rephrase that, sorry...


Any blockade of SD by Dreguk, leading to the interception of any of our merchant marine, will be accordingly treated as a hostile act upon the people of Kanabia.

OOC: Fair enough. *Wonders how many times he'll need to see this same post*

IC:

Your actions are unwarranted and unnecessary. Due to the policy of the Dregruk government, communist nations are viewed as a threat to the Dominion itself (ie. us). We consider a blockade a rational act to protect our interests, whilst not being an excessive act of war or bombardment.

OOC: Fair enough. *Wonders how many times he'll need to see this same post*

IC:

Your actions are unwarranted and unnecessary. Due to the policy of the Dregruk government, communist nations are viewed as a threat to the Dominion itself (ie. us). We consider a blockade a rational act to protect our interests, whilst not being an excessive act of war or bombardment.
"Ah, so that explains it. Your insane. Well, to begin with, SD is not Communist, but Socialist, there is rather big difference. Rational? So, blocking trade to a nation that has done little to harm you or your way of life is rational? Our actions are unwarranted? You will desist from the blockade, or you can incur the wrath of many nations."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

Kroblexskij congratulates their comrades in the SD for their decision and wishes they may prospour in Red triumph

OOC: Many people have complained about what I do. Just to explain, before it turns into an all-out flame contest (Which has happened to me before, on a similar occasion), I think I'd best explain the official method of diplomacy in Dregruk: Make a blockade then see where it takes us. We've done it to God-knows how many Communists, Socialists, Nazis... and we keep doing it. Mostly cause I feel that said nations are fundamentally unstable, a powder keg, if you will, waiting to explode. We like to douse it in water before that happens.

IC:

Our blockade of the Swedish Dominions is part of our campaign to crush socialism and communism. The few occasions we allowed such threats to exist, we have regretted. Our actions, in reflection and with consideration given to the possible outcomes of not imposing a blockade, are reasonably fair in context. The blockade will continue.

OOC: Fair enough. *Wonders how many times he'll need to see this same post*

IC:

Your actions are unwarranted and unnecessary. Due to the policy of the Dregruk government, communist nations are viewed as a threat to the Dominion itself (ie. us). We consider a blockade a rational act to protect our interests, whilst not being an excessive act of war or bombardment.

OOC: Just twice...comrade. Ha.

IC: If our ships are boarded and our citizens taken into custody to enforce this blockade, we couldn't care less about your attempts to justify the action. We would justify our response by the fact that it is an illegal and irresponsible action.

OOC: Many people have complained about what I do. Just to explain, before it turns into an all-out flame contest (Which has happened to me before, on a similar occasion), I think I'd best explain the official method of diplomacy in Dregruk: Make a blockade then see where it takes us. We've done it to God-knows how many Communists, Socialists, Nazis... and we keep doing it. Mostly cause I feel that said nations are fundamentally unstable, a powder keg, if you will, waiting to explode. We like to douse it in water before that happens.

IC:

Our blockade of the Swedish Dominions is part of our campaign to crush socialism and communism. The few occasions we allowed such threats to exist, we have regretted. Our actions, in reflection and with consideration given to the possible outcomes of not imposing a blockade, are reasonably fair in context. The blockade will continue.

Socialism and Communism are strong and will not be toppled by semi-psychotic actions on the part of your military and government. Instead you are putting yourself in a bad light and destroying your cause...

OOC: Many people have complained about what I do. Just to explain, before it turns into an all-out flame contest (Which has happened to me before, on a similar occasion), I think I'd best explain the official method of diplomacy in Dregruk: Make a blockade then see where it takes us. We've done it to God-knows how many Communists, Socialists, Nazis... and we keep doing it. Mostly cause I feel that said nations are fundamentally unstable, a powder keg, if you will, waiting to explode. We like to douse it in water before that happens.

IC:

Our blockade of the Swedish Dominions is part of our campaign to crush socialism and communism. The few occasions we allowed such threats to exist, we have regretted. Our actions, in reflection and with consideration given to the possible outcomes of not imposing a blockade, are reasonably fair in context. The blockade will continue.
"Please, enlighten me, what is so horrible about socialism? Give me the details on why it is so horrible, if you would..."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

And so the reactionaries show their fear once again...

Any blockade of SD by Dreguk, leading to the interception of any of our merchant marine, will be accordingly treated as a hostile act.

Kroblexskij will join you in protecting our lifestyle and a new communist nation

We haven't cared about the opinion of the international community for centuries, and we're not going to start worrying about the possible poor turn out of Christmas cards this year because we performed our patriotic duty of protecting our citizens from the corrupting influence of communism and socialism.

OOC: And just to make this clear, threatening war, attacks on the blockade or the like won't convince me to turn and leave. Quite the opposite, unfortunately.

"Please, enlighten me, what is so horrible about socialism? Give me the details on why it is so horrible, if you would..."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

Want my IC reasons or OOC reasons? They're both pretty lengthy.

OOC: And just to make this clear, threatening war, attacks on the blockade or the like won't convince me to turn and leave. Quite the opposite, unfortunately.


OOC: See, thats the problem. If any of my ships are boarded and the crew arrested as a result of this blockade, then that's an act of war on Kanabia.

Want my IC reasons or OOC reasons? They're both pretty lengthy.
[OOC: Considering thats an IC post, IC. Though I am curious for OOC reasons as well.]

OOC: See, thats the problem. If any of my ships are boarded and the crew arrested as a result of this blockade, then that's an act of war on Kanabia.

OOC: Absolutely. It's a rather nice Catch-22 situation I've forced onto everyone here, isn't it? Ah, the joys of international politics...

IC: The Militaristic Dominion of Dregruk has a long-standing grudge against Communism and Socialism because:
The Communist revolution of the previous century killed a significant portion of the population, before the current system of Militarism was imposed and prevented further casualties.
Communists and Socialists have made attempts to invade the Dominion, claiming that Militarism was oppressing the people. Ironically enough, they were beaten back by the people, who were (And still are) pro-Militarism.
The present system of Militarism requires the people to work hard for the army, rather than for the good of the earth. The communists believe that this is wrong, and have tried to corrupt the system many times.

(That's all I can be bothered to type out for now. Lack of sleep's a terrible thing.)

IC: The Militaristic Dominion of Dregruk has a long-standing grudge against Communism and Socialism because:
The Communist revolution of the previous century killed a significant portion of the population, before the current system of Militarism was imposed and prevented further casualties.
Communists and Socialists have made attempts to invade the Dominion, claiming that Militarism was oppressing the people. Ironically enough, they were beaten back by the people, who were (And still are) pro-Militarism.
The present system of Militarism requires the people to work hard for the army, rather than for the good of the earth. The communists believe that this is wrong, and have tried to corrupt the system many times.

(That's all I can be bothered to type out for now. Lack of sleep's a terrible thing.)
"It wouldn't make much difference if it was Nazis trying to overthrow you. That only has to do with the specific people. You have made no actual complaint towards the system of communism or socialism, noly against the people that oppose your regime who are, in fact, socialist or communist, but they could jsut as well be Nazi or fascist."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

(That's where my OOC reasons come in:

Communism is usually supported by idealists (Who I believe are thoroughly deranged individuals who aren't really in tune with the rest of the planet).

Socialism seems to be going out of it's way to wreck the British economy.

Communism is a perfect system designed for a perfect world: Earth sure as hell ain't perfect. It'll never work as long as we're humans (Let's face it, we're always going to be better or worse than someone else at something. Someone will always be a faster runner, better at Physics, have a nicer wife etc.)

How far do you take Communism? Do you get rid of everyone who's too smart or too stupid, so everyone has an equal IQ? Do you force fast runners to eat high-fat foods whilst tied to a sofa until they're as slow as everyone else?

Socialism is generally supported by people who're too lazy to go out and actually work for something. Instead the sit at home all day eating junk food, watching daytime TV and leeching money from the Government, who could spend it on better healthcare or education.

Finally, people are stupid. Accept it. A person is smart. When you're cornered and on you're own, you can pull off some pretty amazing things. But when group mentality takes over, the normally rational person is egged on by other normally rational people to do incredibly stupid things. How can you trust people like these to know what they really want, when they're just being egged on by some other nut?

Anyway, rant over. This isn't General.)

IC:
I am willing to go to war if neccesary.. If this blockade isn't lifted i'll declare war. (OOC: I know that you are 2396432 times bigger and your not scared)

Please, think of the children.....

(That's where my OOC reasons come in:

Communism is usually supported by idealists (Who I believe are thoroughly deranged individuals who aren't really in tune with the rest of the planet).
[OOC: I am far from idealist. This is more of a generalization]

Socialism seems to be going out of it's way to wreck the British economy.
[OOC: How so? Excuse my ignorance, I do not live in the UK.]

Communism is a perfect system designed for a perfect world: Earth sure as hell ain't perfect. It'll never work as long as we're humans (Let's face it, we're always going to be better or worse than someone else at something. Someone will always be a faster runner, better at Physics, have a nicer wife etc.)
[OOC: I by far do not think Socialism is a perfect system. A perfect system would be the eradication of government and economy on a global scale. That is an ideal that some socialists have, but that is just it, an ideal. Not truly a goal.

And socialist soceities can allow for those who are above or below average, so I do not see the point.]

How far do you take Communism? Do you get rid of everyone who's too smart or too stupid, so everyone has an equal IQ? Do you force fast runners to eat high-fat foods whilst tied to a sofa until they're as slow as everyone else?
[OOC: Excuse me? Since when does this have to do with Socialism?]

Socialism is generally supported by people who're too lazy to go out and actually work for something. Instead the sit at home all day eating junk food, watching daytime TV and leeching money from the Government, who could spend it on better healthcare or education.
[OOC: Actually, that may be the case in certain place. However, those are the people who do not and stand for their beliefs, and you are confusing socialism with a welfare state. I used reform Marxism as a political philosphy. While I support welfare, it is only for those who cannot get a job through means they cannot control. If I controlled the way welfare is put, it would mostly be put towards helping people get jobs to support themselves.]

Finally, people are stupid. Accept it. A person is smart. When you're cornered and on you're own, you can pull off some pretty amazing things. But when group mentality takes over, the normally rational person is egged on by other normally rational people to do incredibly stupid things. How can you trust people like these to know what they really want, when they're just being egged on by some other nut?
[OOC: You don't. People are stupid, but People learn. I am saddened by people who cannot find it to trsut in humanity, even for a bit longer. Just because we are imperfect as a species doesn't mean we can't coexist. Maybe people don't know what they need, they supply their wants. One of the goals of socialism is to provide the neccesities to all, so it wouldn't really matter. Something such as this would be most troublesome in a capitalist system.]

Anyway, rant over. This isn't General.)
[OOC: Agreed.]

Upon hearing about the exchange of power, the Taldaan Government sent this letter:

To the Swedish Dominions government.

It's so good to see a state turning to socialism, especially in a bloodless way. We would be interested in an alliance, with exchange of embassies and favourable trade agreements. We hope that you will maintain democratic ideals alongside your socialist ones. If you accept, we can try to bypass the blockade to bring in goods.

Sincerely, Taldaan Foreign Affairs Commitee

The Militaristic Dominion of Dregruk maintains its blockade, regardless of the mounting international pressure for its removal.

- Mr President, they won't remove their blockade. Shall we initiate Operation Rainy Afternoon?

- Yes.....

- Thank you sir...

The SofD contacted the Operation leader.

- The President has granted it. Initate operation Rainy Afternoon on my command.

The SofD called the DregRuk fleet..

- This is your last chance. Get the hell outta here or we'll get aggressive.

"They're threatening aggression against the blockade, sir. They demand we leave immediately, or else they'll start attacking us."

"Have they actually declared war yet?"

"I'm afraid not, sir."

"Damn. We can't justify a naval bombardment, can we?"

"I'm sure if we put a great deal of thought into it, we could."

"Tell the fleet to stay put. I want aerial cover in the area, plus as many free ships as we have to be sent on the way ASAP. How long would that take?"

"The planes can be scrambled immediately, but the ships will take a while to get to the Swedish Dominions area."

"I want it done. Let them know we aren't standing down."

- They aren't standing down... Damn.. I don't want to start a war here.

- Sir the SCUD Rain has been armed and await your command.

- Good, how many are loaded?

- 20 000 Sir, they are stationed all over the SD.

- Good. I'll call them...

He Called the Dregruk fleet.

- Ok, here's the deal. You must leave our national waters or we'll:
1. Bombard your fleet with over 20 000 SCUD Missiles.
2. We launch a Chemical ICBM at your Capital.

We don't want war, we have had enough wars. But if you want war, then we will give you war...

- They aren't standing down... Damn.. I don't want to start a war here.

- Sir the SCUD Rain has been armed and await your command.

- Good, how many are loaded?

- 20 000 Sir, they are stationed all over the SD.

- Good. I'll call them...

He Called the Dregruk fleet.

- Ok, here's the deal. You must leave our national waters or we'll:
1. Bombard your fleet with over 20 000 SCUD Missiles.
2. We launch a Chemical ICBM at your Capital.

We don't want war, we have had enough wars. But if you want war, then we will give you war...
"The Dominion remains neutral in this conflict. If this escalates to chemical war, we will attempt and dispel the blockade around our ally, the Swedish Dominions. We will not, however, declare war on Dregruk, as such conflict is uneeded."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

The Taldaan government urges Swedish Dominions not to launch the chemical attack on Dregruk's capital, as many innocents will undoubtedly die. However, we are right behind you about destroying his fleet, and condemn his attempt to destroy your sovereignity.

By the way, are you interested in the alliance I proposed earlier or not?

The Warchief of Dregruk read over the latest message from the Swedish Dominions with a slight grin on his face.

"Can I just make sure I'm reading this right? Even though they maintain they don't want a war, they've threatened to bombard us with 20,000 SCUDs and hit our capital with a WMD?"

"It would seem so, sir."

"I think we just found our justification for opening fire."

-

In response to SD's threat of chemical warfare, Dregruk has been placed on full military alert. Swedish Dominions have been re-classed from "Unstable" to "Extreme Threat" status. The cities of Dregruk have had the "Indefinite Midnight" defensive protocol enabled, meaning heavy anti-aircraft and missile defenses are online, making the nation a nearly impenetrable fortress.

Dregruk has also appealed to the world to recognise SD's haste to use a WMD on a civilian target, and feels that any actions that will be taken henceforth are more than justified.

(OOC: I'm not sure threatening to blow up my capital was the best idea you ever had...)

The Warchief of Dregruk read over the latest message from the Swedish Dominions with a slight grin on his face.

"Can I just make sure I'm reading this right? Even though they maintain they don't want a war, they've threatened to bombard us with 20,000 SCUDs and hit our capital with a WMD?"

"It would seem so, sir."

"I think we just found our justification for opening fire."

-

In response to SD's threat of chemical warfare, Dregruk has been placed on full military alert. Swedish Dominions have been re-classed from "Unstable" to "Extreme Threat" status. The cities of Dregruk have had the "Indefinite Midnight" defensive protocol enabled, meaning heavy anti-aircraft and missile defenses are online, making the nation a nearly impenetrable fortress.

Dregruk has also appealed to the world to recognise SD's haste to use a WMD on a civilian target, and feels that any actions that will be taken henceforth are more than justified.

(OOC: I'm not sure threatening to blow up my capital was the best idea you ever had...)
"The Dominion does not condone our friend the Swedish Dominion's quick reaction to your blockade in the form of chemical weapons. However, this is a response to your blockade, which has halted neccescary trade into the Swedish Dominions. We urge both nations not to go to war, instead, we ask Dregruk to lift the blockade, and the Dominion will make sure that the Swedish Dominions will never harm or adversly affect Dregruk.

You have still not proven to me that the socialist economical system of the Swedish Dominions is a threat to your country. Until then, we oppose your blockade and insane reasoning."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

- Ok, here's the deal. You must leave our national waters or we'll:
1. Bombard your fleet with over 20 000 SCUD Missiles.
2. We launch a Chemical ICBM at your Capital.

ooc: you seriously need to sort out your tactics, you seem to want to be mass nuked. When we had that little spat it ended the same as what will happen here

- Ok, maybe the threat on civilian targets were a bit extreme. We will not fire anything on civilians. But our threat of Mass Bombardment on the fleet remains. Please Remove the Fleet in sake of the peace. I don't think that you want war...´

Think of the children

Children children, is it always nesecary to result to conflict to sudden? What happend to diplomacy and the other tools of the trade? Forgotten in time and lost to eternity.

Emperor Rift

As a response on the threat of chemical missles being fired at one of our allies, DMC has directed some of its satelites to monitor the conflict. The effects and polution the SD will wreak upon on its own coastal waters will be amusing to watch according to Dumpsterdanian researchers.

Dregruk, is there any way this could be solved peacefully?

Let's see... as long as SD remains an unstable Communist nation, people such as yourself declare your alliances and the threat of chemical warfare remains hanging over everything... nope, doesn't sound likely, does it?

Let's see... as long as SD remains an unstable Communist nation, people such as yourself declare your alliances and the threat of chemical warfare remains hanging over everything... nope, doesn't sound likely, does it?
"You haven't proven anything about the instability of Communism. Sorry, excuses such as that don't cut it. I urge the Swedish Dominions to not use chemical weapons, but if you do not lift the blockade, then the Swedish Dominion's economy will starve from deprivation of international trade. We are asking you humbly to please stop this madness. There will be no chemical attacks if you just lift the blockade."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

We are passing economic sanctions against the SD. Communism must be contained at all costs. The whole theory has been discredited anyway, thanks to the fall of the USSR. In time, you will realize the inefficiencies of the communist system.

We are passing economic sanctions against the SD. Communism must be contained at all costs. The whole theory has been discredited anyway, thanks to the fall of the USSR. In time, you will realize the inefficiencies of the communist system.
"The fall of the USSR was not Socialism's faults, but the corrupt leadership and authoritarian government. Those such as Stalin extended themselves too much, and bring shame to their fellow socialists. I do not condone the USSR, and we refuse to acknowledge them as true socialists.

And I'm not sure, but unless you had any former economic relations with the Swedish Dominions, I am not sure if it will matter much except in morals. I wish you would respect the sovereignty of this nation and the will of the people."
- Dominus Pele Kawau

Let's see... as long as SD remains an unstable Communist nation, people such as yourself declare your alliances and the threat of chemical warfare remains hanging over everything... nope, doesn't sound likely, does it?

First, no alliance has been made, I merely suggested it.

Second, SD withdrew his threat of chemical warfare, so there is no "hanging over everything".

Third, has there been any instability? All there was was a bloodless takeover backed by a majority of the population. Democracy in action.

Now cease this blatant violation of SD's sovereignity. You've made your point, you don't like Communism, but is rampant imperialism, tyranny, and megalomania any better?

I am not advocating military action against SD, and will not participate in any. However, we believe communism is a dangerous philosophy, so we are taking steps to to contain its spread.

At least you aren't blockading.

Funny. Rampant imperialism, tyranny and megalomania seems to be working better for us. So we'll stick with our blockade of SD. Not that we really actually care what your opinion on our policy is.

-_-

Ok fine....

Have your blockade...
We are capable of suppling ourselves in more then 5 years.
We don't need foreign supplies...


We will avenge when the time is right.

Official Statement from The Soviet Democratic Empire of The Island of Rose:

Bah, screw them! I know a way to bypass that blockade, planes! Lot's of planes! I urge all those sympathetic to the Swedish to start a campaign of supplying by plane. Seriously we are Socialist, the people are happy, we have a great Democratic System, we have Capatilists in Parliament. You are spouting off right wing rhetoric that makes no sense. Bleh... whatever... this is stupid.
-Minister of Foreign Affairs: Rosta Einvach

OOC: You can always IGNORE him ;)

Parthia declares support for Dregruk and will be sending our navy to assist in the blockade. The blockade line will be exactly 1 km outside the waters of Swedish Dominions.

[OOC - Quick summary anyone?]

[OOC - Quick summary anyone?]

OOC: SD becomes Communist through the will of the people, some are happy, some are mad. Dregrok puts blockade because they are communist, SD is pissed, war will happen.

That's pretty much it, at present. If you curtail all the "Why are you doing this?" and the "Dregruk is obviously insane/stupid/tyrannical".

Kroblexskij is sending The Red Navy's pride to keep peace in the waters however if any hostilities are seen then will will react with force

icBN class

The Vskyaskij; flagship of the submarine corps, nuclear powered, ballistic icbn

Red October; submarine corps, nuclear powered, ballistic icbn

Iron fist; submarine corps, nuclear powered, ballistic icbn

more subs are on standby to back up the main force

SD, please can you give us a map of your nation?

[QUOTE=The Island of Rose]OOC: SD becomes Communist through the will of the people QUOTE]

The people do not always know best. Sometimes, you have to stop them from doing ridiculous things, such as implementing communism.

[QUOTE=The Island of Rose]OOC: SD becomes Communist through the will of the people QUOTE]

The people do not always know best. Sometimes, you have to stop them from doing ridiculous things, such as implementing communism.
Hadula says:

"You tire me.

You still have yet to make a valid argument against socialism in itself. Until then, I will not accept this excuse. when power is transferred to militaristic fascists, and we try to stop it, you call it 'breach of sovereignty.' When we try to stop racial or political genocide, you call it 'breach of sovereignty.' Now, when you try to stop democratically instated socialism in our ally, we call it breach of sovereignty. Until you prove that socialism itself is dangerous to your own nation's sovereignty or welfare, or to the sovereignty and welfare of another, this overused, placid excuse will not work.

And people do ridiculous things, yes. But thats how we have telephones, isn't it?"
- Benstillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

Hadula says:

"You tire me.

You still have yet to make a valid argument against socialism in itself. Until then, I will not accept this excuse. when power is transferred to militaristic fascists, and we try to stop it, you call it 'breach of sovereignty.' When we try to stop racial or political genocide, you call it 'breach of sovereignty.' Now, when you try to stop democratically instated socialism in our ally, we call it breach of sovereignty. Until you prove that socialism itself is dangerous to your own nation's sovereignty or welfare, or to the sovereignty and welfare of another, this overused, placid excuse will not work.

And people do ridiculous things, yes. But thats how we have telephones, isn't it?"
- Benstillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

We in Sevaris have suffered the terror of a communist regime. No more private enterprise- collective farms, nationalized industries. It ruined thousands and killed thousands more, on charges that they were "enemies of the people". I stress again that communism is a discredited theory, because the world's major Communist power has collapsed. Also, the PRC is pretty capitalist now. You can do anything you want, as long as you don't speak out against the government. I am personally determined to prevent the People's Republic of Sevaris from replaying itself all over again in another nation. Death to socialism.

We in Sevaris have suffered the terror of a communist regime. No more private enterprise- collective farms, nationalized industries. It ruined thousands and killed thousands more, on charges that they were "enemies of the people". I stress again that communism is a discredited theory, because the world's major Communist power has collapsed. Also, the PRC is pretty capitalist now. You can do anything you want, as long as you don't speak out against the government. I am personally determined to prevent the People's Republic of Sevaris from replaying itself all over again in another nation. Death to socialism.
"Your hypocrisy amuses me, to say the least.

As I said, I wanted you to give an argument against socialism in itself. What you have here is a corrupt regime in effect of a totalitarian government. And you argue that Socialism is evil when they killed political dissenters. And yet, you turn around and persecute your own? Tsk tsk, my dear man. There is a word for that, I believe I have already used it, hmmm, oh yes, hypocrisy.

You refer to the USSR, and it wasn't Socialism that brought the USSR down. It was the corrupt regimes that reigned over it, and the overextending of the nation over the Soviet territories. The ravings of that lunatic Stalin and his dream of the world-spannign empire are not what our friend the Swedish Dominions is planning.

Oh my dear God, collective farming! Nationalized industries! No local competition! More production! More rights for workers! Dear God, make it stop!

Please, continue on, make your rebuttal, I seek to be amused today."
- Bestillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

"Your hypocrisy amuses me, to say the least.

As I said, I wanted you to give an argument against socialism in itself. What you have here is a corrupt regime in effect of a totalitarian government. And you argue that Socialism is evil when they killed political dissenters. And yet, you turn around and persecute your own? Tsk tsk, my dear man. There is a word for that, I believe I have already used it, hmmm, oh yes, hypocrisy.

You refer to the USSR, and it wasn't Socialism that brought the USSR down. It was the corrupt regimes that reigned over it, and the overextending of the nation over the Soviet territories. The ravings of that lunatic Stalin and his dream of the world-spannign empire are not what our friend the Swedish Dominions is planning.

Oh my dear God, collective farming! Nationalized industries! No local competition! More production! More rights for workers! Dear God, make it stop!
Please, continue on, make your rebuttal, I seek to be amused today."
- Bestillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

First of all- I am a democracy. My party (Conservative Party of Sevaris) just won the general election with a total of slightly over 50%.

Second of all, I do not ban political parties, save for the communists. I only target the communists because of what they did to Sevaris. I do not execute political prisoners either, because I have no political prisoners. Communists are allowed to live freely in society like any other person, but the party itself has been banned.

Thirdly, I was not referring to Stalin or any particular Soviet regime. The Communist system is still highly inefficient. When you take all the profit out of industry, you take away the motivation for people to work. Face it- Communism can never be applied in its true form unless human nature is drastically changed.

Lastly, I am proud to say that Sevaris has a highly-respected welfare/healthcare system. While we are not "worker's paradise" like the communists claim to be, we care for our people. Private industry is a good thing, you know.

I will not take any military action against the SD, but the embargo continues.

The Majority of the People is concerned of the threat of war.
They are planning to overthrow the Communists to reinsert Tim Kocharian into Power.

They don't want another big scale war..

First of all- I am a democracy. My party (Conservative Party of Sevaris) just won the general election with a total of slightly over 50%.

Second of all, I do not ban political parties, save for the communists. I only target the communists because of what they did to Sevaris. I do not execute political prisoners either, because I have no political prisoners. Communists are allowed to live freely in society like any other person, but the party itself has been banned.

Thirdly, I was not referring to Stalin or any particular Soviet regime. The Communist system is still highly inefficient. When you take all the profit out of industry, you take away the motivation for people to work. Face it- Communism can never be applied in its true form unless human nature is drastically changed.

Lastly, I am proud to say that Sevaris has a highly-respected welfare/healthcare system. While we are not "worker's paradise" like the communists claim to be, we care for our people. Private industry is a good thing, you know.

I will not take any military action against the SD, but the embargo continues.
"Indeed.

As for your third point, this remains unproven. Hadula has existed over ninety years without trouble with our economy, except in wartime. I do not speak of a perfect communist system, and we allow private industry, but restrict it to small business. I am not talking about a "pure" socialistic system, but a reformed one. Many assume we always ban free enterprise, but this is not true.

Motivation? People must work in Hadula to gain money to gain wants. We supply the needs, they supply their own wants. the ycan buy extra neccescities if they wish, but htey are well-provided for. Those who do not work in Hadula do not gain all the welfare benefits we provide if they do not seek work. We are an industrious soceity, only those unable to work will be tolerated unemployed. If you can work, then you should set out to find some job. There are many jobs that you can do untrained in Hadula, positions in our government, military, and factory organizations come to mind. Or, if you find nothing, then we will put you to work with a list of jobs you can have. You must work in one of them. If not, then you will be arrested and you will work without pay and we will only provide the requirements for living to you, as you have brought it upon yourself. The system has worked well fora long time, and while we may not have the economic power of most nations, there are no poor people and few rich people. Most of us are quite equal, I am one of the lucky ones who has found a job that pays quite well in the Hadulan government. There is quite a demand for those like me in the social sciences.

We believe that this system will work for many years. Once we are ready, we may gradually make the change to "pure" socialism, even if that is decades to come. Whatever the case, we stand by our philosphy.

As for your welfare and medical care systems, this doesn't concern me, as it adds little to the argumet against communism and only commends your own policies. See, that is your problem with the argument, your going into specific cases. What I gave you was our system, so yes, that is a specific case, but there are socialist countries that use more liberal systems than that in their economy, and only use certain socialist practices. So really, socialism is in all spectrums, you are only looking at the extreme. I could name many disadvantages to capitalism if I wished, and nearly all of it is from the radical spectrum.

Just because some of us are more radical and adherent to exact policies, doesn't mean we are all the same, which seems to be a problem among the right, they generalize far too often.

I must admit, this is quite gratifying. Please continue with your reply."
- Benstillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

[OoC: Hm, Benstillo was supposed to be a random character, but he is quickly becoming quite gratifying to roleplay. I think I will be using him much more.]

"don't talk, or we'll feeeeed you to the karkians."
- Some Guy muttering in a Hadulan pub

Due to these constant threats on Capitalists, Parthia is preparing to move our fleet to assist in the blockade.

"Indeed.

As for your third point, this remains unproven. Hadula has existed over ninety years without trouble with our economy, except in wartime. I do not speak of a perfect communist system, and we allow private industry, but restrict it to small business. I am not talking about a "pure" socialistic system, but a reformed one. Many assume we always ban free enterprise, but this is not true.

Motivation? People must work in Hadula to gain money to gain wants. We supply the needs, they supply their own wants. the ycan buy extra neccescities if they wish, but htey are well-provided for. Those who do not work in Hadula do not gain all the welfare benefits we provide if they do not seek work. We are an industrious soceity, only those unable to work will be tolerated unemployed. If you can work, then you should set out to find some job. There are many jobs that you can do untrained in Hadula, positions in our government, military, and factory organizations come to mind. Or, if you find nothing, then we will put you to work with a list of jobs you can have. You must work in one of them. If not, then you will be arrested and you will work without pay and we will only provide the requirements for living to you, as you have brought it upon yourself. The system has worked well fora long time, and while we may not have the economic power of most nations, there are no poor people and few rich people. Most of us are quite equal, I am one of the lucky ones who has found a job that pays quite well in the Hadulan government. There is quite a demand for those like me in the social sciences.

We believe that this system will work for many years. Once we are ready, we may gradually make the change to "pure" socialism, even if that is decades to come. Whatever the case, we stand by our philosphy.

As for your welfare and medical care systems, this doesn't concern me, as it adds little to the argumet against communism and only commends your own policies. See, that is your problem with the argument, your going into specific cases. What I gave you was our system, so yes, that is a specific case, but there are socialist countries that use more liberal systems than that in their economy, and only use certain socialist practices. So really, socialism is in all spectrums, you are only looking at the extreme. I could name many disadvantages to capitalism if I wished, and nearly all of it is from the radical spectrum.

Just because some of us are more radical and adherent to exact policies, doesn't mean we are all the same, which seems to be a problem among the right, they generalize far too often.

I must admit, this is quite gratifying. Please continue with your reply."
- Benstillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member

[OoC: Hm, Benstillo was supposed to be a random character, but he is quickly becoming quite gratifying to roleplay. I think I will be using him much more.]

"don't talk, or we'll feeeeed you to the karkians."
- Some Guy muttering in a Hadulan pub

We just get touchy when it comes to communism. On all other things, we're reasonable.

We just get touchy when it comes to communism. On all other things, we're reasonable.
"Indeed. However, how does that give you the right to destroy another nation that does not affect you at all? It doesn't matter much anymore, the nation is weak and was bullied into letting go of the policy. Nevertheless, I stand by my arguments, and while you may be touchy about Communism, you have no right to interfere with another nation's democratic system. Hey look, I'm socialist. Where is my blockade? I know many socialist countries that have no blockade. You need to contain that epidemic of yours, no?"
- Benstillo Lupe, sociologist and political scientist, Philantropist Party member