NationStates Jolt Archive

IDF's State Department is proud to announce that we will be holding our 1st annual International Conference on Global Trade. Issues will vary based on what the attendees bring up for discussion. Our goals will be to encourage free trade, a level playing field, and lesser tariffs to better improve the Global Economy. It will be held in Chicago, a land that IDF recently acquired.

Diplomats can arrive Saturday Night before the Conference (which begins Monday). You just need to announce that you plan on attending. We will make arrangements for you to fly to O'Hare, Midway, or Gary-Chicago airports if you are in larger jets ,or Meigs Field if you are in a smaller jet (737-400 or smaller).

All Delegates will be housed at the Beautiful Drake Hotel on Lake Shore Drive near downtown, just 1 block from Michigan Avenue's "The Magnificent Mile" where female diplomats will find shops at many fine malls and large deparment stores like Fields and Nordstrom to name a few. We are setting up the schedule for all delegates to have a good time to enjoy the wonderful city. You will be staying across the street from the Oak Street Beach on Lake Michigan.

The Sunday after you arrive, all who wish may attend the season opener of our proud Chicago Bears against the pitiful Detroit Lions. We will allow all delegates to attend in the Cadillac Club Luxery Boxes at the New Solder Field. We expect our Bears under new leaderships to stomp the Lions. If will be a fun event for all who wish to attend. Game time is 12:05 pm CST. Tailgate party is at 10:30.

The talks begin Monday Morning at 9 at the Drake Hotel's main conference room.

Please RSVP to Chicago Branch of IDF Foreign Ministry. (616) 555-5555
1020 Magnificent Mile (or Michigan Avenue)
Chicago, Il. IDF. 60037.

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it may not look like much, but is by far the best hotel in the MidWest

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Ahh! The Magnificent Mile on Michigan Avenue Downtown. Stretching from the Wrigley building and Michigan Street Bridge all the way to the Drake Hotel on the far side of the John Hancock Center. Good shopping, restaurants, bars, and of course ESPN Zone.

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Soldier Field, the perfect spot for men to relax or get pissed off when their team blows it. Your delegates are invited to attend the home opener when the Bears will face the Lions. It will be real fun.

Sanctaphrax will join this conference.
We are sending over a diplomat of ours. he should arrive tommorow morning.
We could always learn how to improve our trade and economy and we feel that this conference could be beneficial.

PR of Sanctaphrax

Sanctaphrax will join this conference.
We are sending over a diplomat of ours. he should arrive tommorow morning.
We could always learn how to improve our trade and economy and we feel that this conference could be beneficial.

PR of Sanctaphrax
We have recieved your RSVP and will have rooms ready at the Drake for you.

we would like to attend. we will send a delegate there. he will be there tomarrow

We have recieved your RSVP and will have rooms ready at the Drake for you.
Thank you
our flight lands at O'Hare at 10:15 local time.

we would like to attend. we will send a delegate there. he will be there tomarrow
We have recieved your RSVP and will prepare for your arrival.

Thank you
our flight lands at O'Hare at 10:15 local time.
We have you cleared for runway 36R at that time. Your flight will then go to Termainal 5 (International)

Tokarev, which is heavily reliant on international trade, having an annual trade deficit of close to 100 billion dollars, will send a delegate.

ITD would like to attend, despite past disputes you have had with my allies. We believe trade to be an important issue.

i am speaking for Weapons-tech incorp-(phone computer broke)

THey will like to attend the meeting.

We have you cleared for runway 36R at that time. Your flight will then go to Termainal 5 (International)
Runway 36R, Terminal 5. Got it!!!
how do we get to the hotel? do we rent a car or will you send someone to pick us up???

I am Haxx from AeroSpace City i too would like to attend this meeting.

We do not have delegates so i the leader of our city would like to attend in the place.

Tokarev, which is heavily reliant on international trade, having an annual trade deficit of close to 100 billion dollars, will send a delegate.

If you have a trade deficit, then you will find much to gain at these talks. We will prepare for you.

ITD would like to attend, despite past disputes you have had with my allies. We believe trade to be an important issue.
We will be preparing for your arrival.

i am speaking for Weapons-tech incorp-(phone computer broke)

THey will like to attend the meeting.

no problem, we will be ready for your arrival.

Runway 36R, Terminal 5. Got it!!!
how do we get to the hotel? do we rent a car or will you send someone to pick us up???

We will have Limos meet you and take you down I-294 to I-94 (the Edens Expressway) to Devon where you will be taken East to Lake Shore Drive, from there it is a straight shot South to the Drake.

I am Haxx from AeroSpace City i too would like to attend this meeting.

You are welcome to attend.

The republic of Nireva, will, of course, send a delegate to there.
He'll arrive in 7 hours.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

Vastiva respectfully requests a suite of rooms for a trade delegation.

Due to the perceived importance of this venture, we will be sending Voyate Shumash ben Allen, our Vizier of Commerce, and select members of his staff as well as representatives of our larger industries.

We believe the total at this time will be eleven.

We also request seats to watch bears and lions battle, as such is far from common in our land. Are ponchos required, or is some form of protection between the observers and the animals? We will assume adequate measures for our safety.

Thank you for your time,
Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Raahmid Javani
Grand Vizier,
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

A delegate is heading over in a leadership 7E7. He should be here shortly.

The republic of Nireva, will, of course, send a delegate to there.
He'll arrive in 7 hours.
We are pleased to be able to host him. Limos will transport him to the Drake.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

Vastiva respectfully requests a suite of rooms for a trade delegation.

Due to the perceived importance of this venture, we will be sending Voyate Shumash ben Allen, our Vizier of Commerce, and select members of his staff as well as representatives of our larger industries.

We believe the total at this time will be eleven.

We also request seats to watch bears and lions battle, as such is far from common in our land. Are ponchos required, or is some form of protection between the observers and the animals? We will assume adequate measures for our safety.

Thank you for your time,
Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Raahmid Javani
Grand Vizier,
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva


OOC: I love that sense of Humor.

IC: We will have rooms ready for your delegation and are pleased you will be joining us.

The Bears and Lions are sport teams. They are humans playing the sport of American Football. You may want ponchos due to the fact that the National Weather Service is predicting some rain and weather in the 60's and 70's.

A delegate is heading over in a leadership 7E7. He should be here shortly.

Since the 7E7 doesn't need a large runway we will put you into Midway 27L. A limo will transport you to The Drake. We are pleased you will be attending.

The Ottomans will sent Vizier. Murad Al Bin Asad to this Internation Trade conference.

The Ottomans will sent Vizier. Murad Al Bin Asad to this Internation Trade conference.
We will have a room awaiting him and his advisors and are pleased he will attend.

ITD's delegate shall arrive shortly at O'HARE airport.

ITD's delegate shall arrive shortly at O'HARE airport.
Air Traffic Control can get you landed at Runway 36 Right. You will then take taxiway Charlie to Termainal 5 where you may disembark and board Limos to The Drake.

Since you are choosing O'Hare I guess you are coming in a Jumbo Jet.

OOC: I like the Kerry links in your sig. Just add a link to the Swift boat vets site. (I'm on a waiting list for the book)

Yes. ITD Delegates always travel in style.

I forgot to say what ship i am traveling in.
scince your people may never have seen it.

It is a hyper-hawk 9,
a helecopter of course.

I forgot to say what ship i am traveling in.
scince your people may never have seen it.

It is a hyper-hawk 9,
a helecopter of course.

A helicopter can actually land in Grant Park or Meigs. From there we can get you in a limo to take you a few blocks North on Lake Shore Drive to The Drake.

We would like to send a delegate, he will be pushing for reciprocal free trade agreements with anyone who is willing to participate.

He will quite happily go by commercial airline and get a taxi in he will arrive later tonight if cleared.

Our delegate has arrived.
he waited for half an hour but when the Limo didn't arrive he took a cab.
anyway, he's at the Drake now.
book him in for the football match.

West Cedarbrook will attend with a delegation from the Commerce Department and several execs from the private sector. Please make reservations at the Drake, overlooking the park. Also see if we can reserve Pizza Uno for a party. And we would like any info about Sox tickets.

We'll be arriving at Midway on several chartered ArcAir flights.

With allowence to be cleared to land in the park we have arrived on schedule.

But i will take my swamp fox instead.(to tell you all the Hyper-Hawk 9 is a fast transport)

We would like to send a delegate, he will be pushing for reciprocal free trade agreements with anyone who is willing to participate.

He will quite happily go by commercial airline and get a taxi in he will arrive later tonight if cleared.

No problem, any diplomat is welcome to attend. If you want we can have a limo waiting for him.

Our delegate has arrived.
he waited for half an hour but when the Limo didn't arrive he took a cab.
anyway, he's at the Drake now.
book him in for the football match.

No problem.

West Cedarbrook will attend with a delegation from the Commerce Department and several execs from the private sector. Please make reservations at the Drake, overlooking the park. Also see if we can reserve Pizza Uno for a party. And we would like any info about Sox tickets.

Your room at The Drake is ready. Getting you to a Pizzaria Uno for a party is no problem. We highly recomend the Chicago Style Pizza. As for Sox tickets that will also be no problem. We will have a reserved spot for your delegation in the Season Ticket holder's lot on the West Side of the Stadium off of Shields Ave. We can get you tickets to either a Diamond Suite or behind homeplate in Section 130. The games this week are against the Indians, Philly and Mariners.
On Sunday the Sox are still in Cleveland, Monday will be the make-up game for the rainout against Philly. Jose Contreras will take the mound against the Phillies. On Tuesday, Jon Garland will face C.C. Sabathia. On Wednesday we will have a battle of the aces. Mark "Burlymon" Buehrle will face Cliff Lee. Last time Mark faced Cliff Lee he pitched a 2 hitter facing the minimum 27. On Thursday newly acquired pitcher Freddy Garcia will face Westbrook. On Friday, newly acquired pitcher Jose Contreras will pitch against Franklin. On Saturday, the day when the conference members have the final dinner of the conference Garland will face Meche. If you want we can get you into the clubhouse where you can meet Ozzie and the rest of the Sox. We will let your diplomats sing during the 7th inning stretch and then spend an inning in the booth with Hawk and DJ and just possibly be lucky enough to see Hawk go nuts with "You can Put it on the Booooaaarrrddd eee YESSSS!"

OOC: I'm a serious Sox fan if you can't tell. Too bad Frank and Maggs are injured or we'd be killing the Twinkies and Toons now.

We'll be arriving at Midway on several chartered ArcAir flights.

No problem. Midway will be ready to accomadate you and limos will take you to the hotel.

With allowence to be cleared to land in the park we have arrived on schedule.

You can land at the park and this is nothing new as President Bush landed in Grant Park on Marine 1. A limo will take you from the park to the hotel. Welcome to the Windy City.

OOC: I love that sense of Humor.

IC: We will have rooms ready for your delegation and are pleased you will be joining us.

The Bears and Lions are sport teams. They are humans playing the sport of American Football. You may want ponchos due to the fact that the National Weather Service is predicting some rain and weather in the 60's and 70's.


Ab-shalom and greetings;

We thank you for the clarification; we shall bring ponchos in this case, and are now fascinated by the prospect.

Our VAL 74SB will be landing within three hours at O'Hare airport. We will entrust our bretheren with the responsibility of providing suitable transportation to our temporary domicile and to other events around your fair city.

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

OOC: a 74SB is a box-wing modification of the 747-SP, giving it much more stability in flight.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

We thank you for the clarification; we shall bring ponchos in this case, and are now fascinated by the prospect.

Our VAL 74SB will be landing within three hours at O'Hare airport. We will entrust our bretheren with the responsibility of providing suitable transportation to our temporary domicile and to other events around your fair city.

Go in Peace,

Namaste,
Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

OOC: a 74SB is a box-wing modification of the 747-SP, giving it much more stability in flight.


No problem. You are cleared for landing on runway 36 Right. Limos are waiting to take you directly from the stairway at Terminal 5 to the hotel and will run red lights to make the trip quicker.

Hey, thanks for setting up the accomodations. We'll take 12 seats for the Tuesday game in Section 130, and reserving a party of 18 for Monday Night at 8:00 PM at Pizza Uno. The landing was great and we're enjoying Michigan Ave. and environs. Payment for the Drake has been wired in crisp green Zugs.

BTW - you'll be happy to know that I've reconstituted (almost) the real Big 10 on Earth III. Penn State is out (those welshers!) and as soon as Nebraska accedes the Huskers are in!

Hey, thanks for setting up the accomodations. We'll take 12 seats for the Tuesday game in Section 130, and reserving a party of 18 for Monday Night at 8:00 PM at Pizza Uno. The landing was great and we're enjoying Michigan Ave. and environs. Payment for the Drake has been wired in crisp green Zugs.

BTW - you'll be happy to know that I've reconstituted (almost) the real Big 10 on Earth III. Penn State is out (those welshers!) and as soon as Nebraska accedes the Huskers are in!

Good

OOC: Make sure that U of M wins in football every year and kill OSU. Leave MSU as we will feed on them every year.

Let's go Blue!

I have been recalled due to a serious problem that requires my command.
sorry
_________
Haxx

I have been recalled due to a serious problem that requires my command.
sorry
_________
Haxx
I understand, your nation needs you.

Ab-shalom and greetings;

We are informed you have full control over Chicago. Might autographs of the various players be obtained?

Namaste,
Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

We have reassesed our priorities and have sent over four more diplomats. They will arrive at 5:00 pm. Where can they get landing permission???

Ab-shalom and greetings;

We are informed you have full control over Chicago. Might autographs of the various players be obtained?

Namaste,
Voyate Shumash ben Allen
Vizier of Commerce
Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva

Sure. You can get autographs from any player you wish before or after the game.

We have reassesed our priorities and have sent over four more diplomats. They will arrive at 5:00 pm. Where can they get landing permission???
Landing can be done at O'Hare since you seem to be arriving in a larger plane.

Wazistan will send a delegation from its Ministry of Trade and Commerce to the conference.

Wazistan will send a delegation from its Ministry of Trade and Commerce to the conference.
we will be ready for him

The plane arrives at O'Hare International Airport and 7 men promptly exit the plane. The delegate, Christopher Irons, is the head delegate and UN representative for the ITD Empire.

They exit the terminal and get in their trasportation.

"Driver, to the hotel. Please"

Christopher Irons:
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*The party of eleven lands*

*Oooh and aaahs at the airport. Amazed at lack of snow conditions. Wonders how people land planes properly without snow and ice.*

*delegation oohs and aaahs at the city, and "respectfully requests" for the driver to drive them around. Alot. As in several hours of in-limo sightseeing.*

*arrives at hotel. Tips driver heavily and requests many pictures of everything in Chicago. Smiles. Tips the countergirl heavily. Winks.*

*settles into room. Inspects everything twice. Calls the front desk about "courtesy bar". Twenty minutes later, calls again for a restocking of the courtesy bar, several pitchers of cold water and a large bottle of aspirin*

*Orders deep-dish "Chicago style" pizza. Thirty minutes after its arrival, they order two more. Thirty minutes later, an order for "fried ice cream" comes down. And thirty minutes later, an order for alka-seltzer "And if you please, the delegate from our Basket Weaving industry asks that the room be made to stop moving".*

(OOC Hows that for a bump?)

Is it not about time for the conference to begin???

The United States of Shalrirorchia made a last-minute entry to attend the conference. President Tarumigan Gistarai will be in attendance to represent the U.S.S.

Shalrirorchian Secret Service agents will provide all necessary security for the President on this trip.

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OOC International Banks, and accepted currencies or exchanges for IDF?

We have sent in 3 special forces groups to guard the delegation and to make sure nothing bad happens during the preceedings.

I trust the security set up by IDF.

Direct Transmission To-IDF
Origin-AeroSpaceCity Flagship Ages-Leader Haxx

I am sending a report to tell I will attend via video communication.
If the meeting has already started then i am sorry to have interupted.

OOC: yay, something for me to eat...
The nation of illior would love to send a delegate, he and his Entourage will be comeing in 2 JSFs, they are bringing credit cards and are planning on shipping whatever they buy home to Illior. A Deluxe Suite would be nice....

"You are the Bank President? Good. We would like to make a deposit."
"Of course, sir, we handle many international dignitaries."
"Very good. We would like first a small personal account, only six hundred billion, with many of your credit cards attached."

~pause~blink~pause~

"How many cards, sir?"
"We are a party of eleven, so twelve will do nicely."
"Twelve, sir?"
"Yes. The Sultan too must have a credit card. You will give him the first. Do we pay for postage or do you? How Gracious! Shall I spell his name for you?"

(OOC: Ala bump!)

ooc: When does the conference begin? We are basically dilly dally'n around.

IC:
The car reaches the hotel, and the ITD conference team exits, one by one, through the right side rear door.

Irons: This hotel will do nicely. Johann, contact the palace and inform Emperor Erik of our arrival in the IDF territory.

Johann: Yes, sir.

Secret Contact To ITD:
We have arrived in IDF territory. Conference date/time unsure. Requesting further instructions.

I am Secretary of State Ken Williams, this is my advisor on trade Scott McNealy. Welcome to the 2004 Chicago Trade Talks.

I would like to begin by thanking all of you for attending this meeting. We will be giving you all a lot of time to see the city. I hope you all found your rooms to be up to your expectations.

Shall we begin? Good.

I would like to begin with my first concern. Free trade is being threatened currently by some governments which are too nationalistic. They seem to be running systems where they impose tariffs and try to have their citizens buy domestic goods.

Now we all like to have our citizens buy goods from their own home nations, but in the end they are hurting their own economies. We can recall that it was tariffs that inevitably caused the great depression and the IDF government fears history may repeat itself.

This conference's goal will be to get a treaty decided on and then get as many nations as possible to sign on and encourage free trade.

I now turn the floor over to anyone who would like to make a statement

Security will be done by the chicago Police Department. The only threats will be the usual anti-trade and capitalism protesters that come to WTO meetings and similar events. They are not real threats, but we are cautious.

The CPD will stop them from doing anything because these protesters still remember 1968. (the DNC convention that is)

Irons: "ITD is willing to discuss this matter, despite some misunderstandings our governments may have had in the past. Please continue."

Irons: "ITD is willing to discuss this matter, despite some misunderstandings our governments may have had in the past. Please continue."
OOC: that was just an opening address. IDF is hosting the conference, but to be fair is not going to be the leader. There will be no leader. This is the time for any nation to speak up and voice their concerns. Once that is done we will collectively seek out solutions and come up with a free trade treaty.

OOC:

Is it too late for me to join? If so, can I sign the treaty when its finished?

OOC:

Is it too late for me to join? If so, can I sign the treaty when its finished?
It's never too late to join, just show up, we don't even need advance warning

The ITD delegate stands up.

"I am Representative Christopher Irons, UN representative for his majesty, the Emperor of ITD. I have been sent here to discuss the issues of trade at this conference, as such I have a few points to make. ITD's reputation may not be the most reputable, our allies are usually seen as less than.... "humane", however... we are a trade based nation.

We rely heavily on our exporting as a source of profit. While our importing needs are met, see the protection of our profit margin as vital to the health of our nation. For this reason, we must protect trade and nurture growing industries. We must lower tariffs in the global economy so that profits would increase and the health of the global economy is protected."

The delegate sits down.

I am Secretary of State Ken Williams, this is my advisor on trade Scott McNealy. Welcome to the 2004 Chicago Trade Talks.

I would like to begin by thanking all of you for attending this meeting. We will be giving you all a lot of time to see the city. I hope you all found your rooms to be up to your expectations.

Shall we begin? Good.

I would like to begin with my first concern. Free trade is being threatened currently by some governments which are too nationalistic. They seem to be running systems where they impose tariffs and try to have their citizens buy domestic goods.

Now we all like to have our citizens buy goods from their own home nations, but in the end they are hurting their own economies. We can recall that it was tariffs that inevitably caused the great depression and the IDF government fears history may repeat itself.

This conference's goal will be to get a treaty decided on and then get as many nations as possible to sign on and encourage free trade.

I now turn the floor over to anyone who would like to make a statement
One of the Sanctaphrax delegates stands up, clears his throat and comments,

"I believe that although these nations are a danger, and a very clear one we cannot control nations outside of the eventual treaty, we can ask them nicely, we can even set terms but Sanctaphrax will go no further than that.
If these nations will be part of the eventual treaty then, yes they should stop these ways which I believe is bad for a person's right to choose. If they are no part of the treaty then we will have no part of them. Thank you."

The delegate sits down amid scattered applause.

The ITD delegate stands up.

"I am Representative Christopher Irons, UN representative for his majesty, the Emperor of ITD. I have been sent here to discuss the issues of trade at this conference, as such I have a few points to make. ITD's reputation may not be the most reputable, our allies are usually seen as less than.... "humane", however... we are a trade based nation.

We rely heavily on our exporting as a source of profit. While our importing needs are met, see the protection of our profit margin as vital to the health of our nation. For this reason, we must protect trade and nurture growing industries. We must lower tariffs in the global economy so that profits would increase and the health of the global economy is protected."

The delegate sits down.


"We would like to thank the IDT delegation for raising a valid point. Tariffs do nothing, but hurt other nations in the short run, but in the long run it hurts the nation imposing the tariffs. Let's look at IDF. We control Lake and Porter Counties in NW INdiana. They are home of US Steel, Bethlehem Steel, ISG, LTV, and others. USS is the largest steel company in the world.

Very recently tariffs were tried to help the steel industry. The tariffs placed under the government of NW Indiana's former owners were disasterous. Stell imports dropped and domestic use of the steel increased, but the economy collapsed. The auto industry raised prices and domestic car sales plummeted in favor of foreign cars. The result was that the steel industry improved in the short run, but then collapsed when orders for steel fell since less cars were being made. The auto industry collapsed along with the tire and other industries.

This is an example of why tariffs must be stopped. In the worst case scenario you get trade wars and depression. This is a valid argument and something to be considered in any treaty coming out of these talks."

OOC: I'm using a RL example with the 2001 Bush tariffs that were thankfully repealed by President Bush. Imagine the hell if Kerry comes to office

After some quiet conferring among the delegates the elected spokesperson stands and says,
"What if we were to include in the treaty a rule which says that no market may have more than X amount domestic products? I suggest thirty% but if you feel that it is too high or low then please inform me."

One of the Sanctaphrax delegates stands up, clears his throat and comments,

"I believe that although these nations are a danger, and a very clear one we cannot control nations outside of the eventual treaty, we can ask them nicely, we can even set terms but Sanctaphrax will go no further than that.
If these nations will be part of the eventual treaty then, yes they should stop these ways which I believe is bad for a person's right to choose. If they are no part of the treaty then we will have no part of them. Thank you."

The delegate sits down amid scattered applause.

"Of course we can't make them sign," opines Secretary Phillips. "But, if they don't sign they and the others who continue to impose tariffs will be in constant trade wars and depression while those who sign the treaty will have free trade with other treaty signers and will have enough partners as to not be sucked into the depression."

After some quiet conferring among the delegates the elected spokesperson stands and says,
"What if we were to include in the treaty a rule which says that no market may have more than X amount domestic products? I suggest thirty% but if you feel that it is too high or low then please inform me."

"We don't want to be violating sovereignty too much here. I think that if your country produces enough of a product, that is of high quality, and at a good price. Then by all means if it is a level playing field and you are not doing some sleazy garbage to lock out competition by tariffs I have no problem with it.

Our only concern is a monopoly gained by trade wars and tariffs."

"Of course we can't make them sign," opines Secretary Phillips. "But, if they don't sign they and the others who continue to impose tariffs will be in constant trade wars and depression while those who sign the treaty will have free trade with other treaty signers and will have enough partners as to not be sucked into the depression."
"That can only be good for us but we cannot be the world's policeman don't you agree? If they see the error of their ways then we will, of course let them into the treaty but until then we must make our own decisions and trust them to make theirs."

A small trade delegate entered the chamber where the meeting was being held.

The head delegate, the Director of Trade, Karla Aidyno, spoke up.

"I apologize for our late arrival. Our jet experienced some technical problems. Did we miss anything?"

"That can only be good for us but we cannot be the world's policeman don't you agree? If they see the error of their ways then we will, of course let them into the treaty but until then we must make our own decisions and trust them to make theirs."

"No one will be disallowed from signing and no one will be forced into it. We can't police the world, but we won't need to. This treaty is voluntary and if you don't want to follow the no tariff rules then you are able to pull out, but at the detriment to your own economy."

"We don't want to be violating sovereignty too much here. I think that if your country produces enough of a product, that is of high quality, and at a good price. Then by all means if it is a level playing field and you are not doing some sleazy garbage to lock out competition by tariffs I have no problem with it.

Our only concern is a monopoly gained by trade wars and tariffs."
" In that case we would suggest a commitee to monitor all entries to the market and make sure that they are priced similarly to their actual value as opposed to dropping prices in order to lock out the competition. This commitee will be made up of members of all the nations in the treaty so that there will be no bias."

A small trade delegate entered the chamber where the meeting was being held.

The head delegate, the Director of Trade, Karla Aidyno, spoke up.

"I apologize for our late arrival. Our jet experienced some technical problems. Did we miss anything?"

"You didn't miss much, we just started. Here is a transcript of what has been said so far sir," said the recorder

"No one will be disallowed from signing and no one will be forced into it. We can't police the world, but we won't need to. This treaty is voluntary and if you don't want to follow the no tariff rules then you are able to pull out, but at the detriment to your own economy."
The only people who should be allowed to sign the treaty are people who agree with ALL the terms in it. You can't pick and choose which rules suit you and which don't can you? no!

" In that case we would suggest a commitee to monitor all entries to the market and make sure that they are priced similarly to their actual value as opposed to dropping prices in order to lock out the competition. This commitee will be made up of members of all the nations in the treaty so that there will be no bias."

"That would be fair, but there is no need to make a new beurocracy. We don't want to police people too much. All we want is fair competition with no tariffs and blockades in the way and if you are making a product that people are buying it's fair. We don't have to worry about pricing as if they price it low they may sell more, but won't make as much. We expect all pricing to be done based on supply v. demand charts

The only people who should be allowed to sign the treaty are people who agree with ALL the terms in it. You can't pick and choose which rules suit you and which don't can you? no!
We agree and if you don't want to follow the rules you pull out.

"That would be fair, but there is no need to make a new beurocracy. We don't want to police people too much. All we want is fair competition with no tariffs and blockades in the way and if you are making a product that people are buying it's fair. We don't have to worry about pricing as if they price it low they may sell more, but won't make as much. We expect all pricing to be done based on supply v. demand charts
"But if something is of the highest quality but priced like it then no-one will buy it because of the price. I believe this commitee would be the best way to ensure the fair trading standards that this treaty would encourage."

We agree and if you don't want to follow the rules you pull out.
OOC: I hope you're not referring to me! I have every intention of going through with this but i'm just making (what i thought) was a good RP.

"But if something is of the highest quality but priced like it then no-one will buy it because of the price. I believe this commitee would be the best way to ensure the fair trading standards that this treaty would encourage."

"That is not true. Even high quality items can be priced lower than lower quality products. It is based on how cheaply it is produced in the end.

OOC: I hope you're not referring to me! I have every intention of going through with this but i'm just making (what i thought) was a good RP.
"I wasn't refering to any nations. I was just making a general statement for any nation that sigens (including myself)"

"That is not true. Even high quality items can be priced lower than lower quality products. It is based on how cheaply it is produced in the end.

"I concur. Price of labor, material, even the cost of marketing. These all determine the price of products."

"I concur. Price of labor, material, even the cost of marketing. These all determine the price of products."
"Well that would be another point surely. Ladies and gentlemen we in Sanctaphrax are facing crisis simply because we are a democratic country with minimum wage laws. Our industries have to pay much more for workers and it doesn't turn out profitable and so they are all running abroad to produce goods at zero money, it's hurting our economy severely, what can we do?"

"Well that would be another point surely. Ladies and gentlemen we in Sanctaphrax are facing crisis simply because we are a democratic country with minimum wage laws. Our industries have to pay much more for workers and it doesn't turn out profitable and so they are all running abroad to produce goods at zero money, it's hurting our economy severely, what can we do?"
We have the same problem, but tariffs will make it worse as you temporarily help 1 industry, sink 3 more industries and in the long run hurt the one you helped

"Well that would be another point surely. Ladies and gentlemen we in Sanctaphrax are facing crisis simply because we are a democratic country with minimum wage laws. Our industries have to pay much more for workers and it doesn't turn out profitable and so they are all running abroad to produce goods at zero money, it's hurting our economy severely, what can we do?"

"There are many ways to potentially solve this. Your could, of course, abolish minimum wage. This would lead you down the road of facism, this is the path ITD has taken (and we are now a economical giant). You could also keep the minimum wage jobs but cut down on quality and material costs. The third method is to make all workers work for salaries instead of set hourly wages, of course this method may or may not work. Its really up to you."

We have the same problem, but tariffs will make it worse as you temporarily help 1 industry, sink 3 more industries and in the long run hurt the one you helped
The delgate stands up again with fire in his eyes and asks
"But what can we do? All these industries are leaving my nation and I have no method of bringing them back. I can't force them because I am a democracy and I can't match the obscene work that they're getting abroad. They work 12 hours a day at least and get 1 Phraxdust for it. I can't compete with that!!!"

"There are many ways to potentially solve this. Your could, of course, abolish minimum wage. This would lead you down the road of facism, this is the path ITD has taken (and we are now a economical giant). You could also keep the minimum wage jobs but cut down on quality and material costs. The third method is to make all workers work for salaries instead of set hourly wages, of course this method may or may not work. Its really up to you."
"Fascism is not an option, our first prority is our people and we believe, with all due respect and no offense that Fascism is bad for a nation. cutting on quality wouldn't be good either because nobody likes buying awful products no matter what the price. The third, while the most reasonable wouldn't work because they still would have to pay much much more than they did abroad."

Karla Aidyno spoke up.

"I agree that outsourcing could be a problem.

If our companies outsource the jobs abroad, then our workers at home will lose jobs. They will not be able to buy any products, seeing that they are unemployed and bankrupt.

Outsourcing actually degrades the economy through cause and effect.

In addition, I would like to make a statement about the treaty itself. What about times of war? What about becoming unable to meet or follow certain points in the treaty through no actual fault of the nation?"

Karla sat back down and looked at the other delegates. She hopes the treaty will be a success.

Karla Aidyno spoke up.

"I agree that outsourcing could be a problem.

If our companies outsource the jobs abroad, then our workers at home will lose jobs. They will not be able to buy any products, seeing that they are unemployed and bankrupt.

Outsourcing actually degrades the economy through cause and effect.

In addition, I would like to make a statement about the treaty itself. What about times of war? What about becoming unable to meet or follow certain points in the treaty through no actual fault of the nation?"

Karla sat back down and looked at the other delegates. She hopes the treaty will be a success.
Richard Phillips, CEO of EDS West Cedarbrook replied for the delegation -

We are in full understanding of the pressures of offshoring, especially in times of war. But overall we have seen that reasonable tax policies and efforts at maintaining competitiveness in the service sector have had a mitigating effect on offshoring.

Our experience is that over time, ususally a short time period as offshore services climb the value ladder their prices increase to the point where domestic providers reenter the market. And in many cases the offshored services cannot be price or quality competitive for newer companies to employ.

Karla Aidyno spoke up.

"I agree that outsourcing could be a problem.

If our companies outsource the jobs abroad, then our workers at home will lose jobs. They will not be able to buy any products, seeing that they are unemployed and bankrupt.

Outsourcing actually degrades the economy through cause and effect.

In addition, I would like to make a statement about the treaty itself. What about times of war? What about becoming unable to meet or follow certain points in the treaty through no actual fault of the nation?"

Karla sat back down and looked at the other delegates. She hopes the treaty will be a success.

I don't think outsourcing should be abolished. Outsourcing is part of free trade. This treaty is to protect free trade.

This brings up a point similar to Sanctaphrax. With higher minimum wage jobs the soultion to an economy is to become more service oriented. This is much like what the US did. You are going to send manufacturing overseas and have machines do more of the work. You keep unemployment down as you have more businessmen and specialist who provide services. WHen you outsource, the people working at those companies buy your nation's products so in the end you lose jobs in the short run but gain more in the long run. Outsourcing is a friend to free-trade not the enemy.

Karla nodded.

"Thank you for your responses to this issue. However, I believe that in times of war, we should temporarily block outsourcing. If we rely on outsourcing during times of war, we will become somewhat vulnerable in economy.

During peace-time, I agree that outsourcing should be allowed."

Karla nodded.

"Thank you for your responses to this issue. However, I believe that in times of war, we should temporarily block outsourcing. If we rely on outsourcing during times of war, we will become somewhat vulnerable in economy.

During peace-time, I agree that outsourcing should be allowed."

During war the rules change.

The Jonothanian delegate stood up for the first time, having listened attentivly to the statements.

"Outsourcing is a vital part of free trade. However if you outsource to a no minimum wage country, with no tariffs, homeland industly will suffer. To solve this, we beleive a quota for outsourced industies be reached. So there would be a minumum wage for outsourcing, which could be interpreted as another tariff, but if it was set at the same/lower as the country, it would be the same as the "tariff" imposed on homeland industry."

He then sat down.

Karla nodded then spoke.

"We have to establish standards for outsourcing.

If we allow outsourcing, without any kind of regulation, some companies might attempt 'corporate slavery'. We should make sure that the outsourced foreigner workers should have just enough money to purchase goods and such, which would add even further economic boost.

They would be buying our own goods and such, producing demand."

"Thank you Karla (they appear to be good friends).

Standards must be set not only for trade reasons, but also for Human Rights.

Also we support the addition of a clause allowing for certain, well-defined concessions to made in times of war.

We also raise the issue of how far we are going to be regulating. Should we only be going as far as tariff caps etc., or should we go as far as things like minimun wage requirements?"

The delegate then stood up again.

"We also woudl like to suggest that this treaty, following discussion be put to NATO members, should they decide to sign it."

The delegate then stood up again.

"We also woudl like to suggest that this treaty, following discussion be put to NATO members, should they decide to sign it."
I posted an invite on the NATO board so NATO members who show up or just want to sign the finished treaty may do so, but won't have to

No, that was not the intention. This suggestion was just as a voulentary enforcement of the NATO charter stating that nations should try to keep up trade relations with each other.

OOC: Won't be back for 17 hours.

"I must mention that, though this charter may regulate some of ITD's trade, we will still trade with other nation... some of which you may consider infamous."

No, that was not the intention. This suggestion was just as a voulentary enforcement of the NATO charter stating that nations should try to keep up trade relations with each other.

OOC: Won't be back for 17 hours.
NATO has no bounds in economic alliances. Members of NATO themselves may voluntarily enforce it, but not NATO itself

Jackdonia will send a repersenitve to the conference.

Have don RVSP.

All set.

NATO has no bounds in economic alliances. Members of NATO themselves may voluntarily enforce it, but not NATO itself

ITD is not a member nor ally of NATO. We have no official stance on the organization as a whole.

The head-clothed bear of a man considers his scribbled notes for a moment before standing. He wears a simple white burnoose, tied with gold and red striped cording, but speaks with a plain, clear, simple, albeit booming voice.

“I am Voyate Shumash ben Allen, Vizier of Commerce and Humble Servant of His Magnificence, the Sultan of Vastiva. Already, Vastiva has no tariffs on goods transported to or from nations we share embassies or consulates with, as it is the desire of our Sultan to have no barriers in free trade and understanding.

“Our concern therefore is of economic hardship, of flooding markets. We are all sovereign nations, and we all are aware that we all have products which are as good as some, better then others, and less… efficient then a few. Our concern would be the creation of national dependencies on the products of other nations. It would not be difficult for, say, a nation to undercut another’s price on iron ore until that economy collapsed.

“We must also agree that a lack of minimum-wage laws create conditions by which foreign-made products are of much lower cost at the same value. This too creates an imbalance.

“We would therefore posit a codicil within the Free Trade agreement which allows foreign businesses to create, own, and control industrial centers within those nations which did not have minimum-wage laws, to keep things on an even keel.

“As to NATO – we see no reason that that organization should have any position or reason to integrate with this discussion at this time. Should at a later time, the member nations of NATO decide the enforcement of this is within their ideology, or should the signatories of this treaty decide that NATO enforcement is desired, so be it. But for the time, let us keep our carrots separated from our radishes, no?”

Karla clapped her hands after the Vastiva delegate's speech.

"It is Sharina's policy to lift tariffs with nations who we have signed trade, friendship, and alliance treaties.

We will not flood any markets with our goods. We propose the following clause to be included in the treaty.

A nation should be allowed to choose which goods and material to buy from friendly and allied nations.

This way, nations can hold off deluges of unwanted material, which would waste productivity and money, when nobody would desire to purchase or make use of them."

OOC: Sorry about the NATO thing, what I was just saying was that we will post post this in the NATO boards so they could sign up if they want.

IC: The delegate stood up:

"We agree with the terms that have been set out by the delegates. We would also like to raise the issue of using tariffs as a sanction. What would be the regulations on this? What would consitute a requirement for sanctions?

Thankyou. "

He then sat down, and started to talk quietly with his second.

Karla clapped her hands after the Vastiva delegate's speech.

"It is Sharina's policy to lift tariffs with nations who we have signed trade, friendship, and alliance treaties.

We will not flood any markets with our goods. We propose the following clause to be included in the treaty.

A nation should be allowed to choose which goods and material to buy from friendly and allied nations.

This way, nations can hold off deluges of unwanted material, which would waste productivity and money, when nobody would desire to purchase or make use of them."

Voyate nods his head at the conclusion of Kayla's addition. "Most certainly, Vastiva supports this clause. The right of free trade must include the right to say 'no'."




IC: The delegate stood up:

"We agree with the terms that have been set out by the delegates. We would also like to raise the issue of using tariffs as a sanction. What would be the regulations on this? What would consitute a requirement for sanctions?

Thankyou. "

He then sat down, and started to talk quietly with his second.

"Your pardon, but we are unclear. Do you mean to instate tariffs within the agreement, or upon those who are outside of it? Perhaps to instate tariffs as a punitive measure against nations which abuse the... hospitality of other signators?"

He calls over a page, scribbles a note, and has it sent to Karla, inviting her to dinner after this session.

"We appologise to the vague nature of our speech. We think that tariffs should be a way of restricting trade. Basically a mild sanction."

He then sat down, and tried to make out what that note said...

The Sanctaphrax delegate stood up and asked, "have we finished? It appears to be quiet here. Now my aide noticed the Jonothanian and the Vastivan delegates in a restaurant a while ago so they aren't here but is there any other business?"(a.k.a bump:))

Vastiva was there too.

my mistake, wrong nation:)

Meh. Karla and James (J Delegate) were on the phone or something.

so what's going on?
where is IDF? he isn't on any of the RP's that I joined of his and I'm about to leave in a huff at the lack of talk!

I will be willing to continue this free trade treaty if IDF "disappears" from this thread.

This is a fine treaty, and shouldn't be forgotten.

I will be willing to continue this free trade treaty if IDF "disappears" from this thread.

This is a fine treaty, and shouldn't be forgotten.
not forgotten but with most people posting once a day at most and IDF hardly posting, who's going to take charge of the conference?
If in 2 RL days IDF hasn't posted it then we'll move it to Sanctaphrax all right?
at the moment it looks like the only way to rescue this treaty!

OOC;

Sounds like a plan. I want to keep RP'ing the treaty, and improve my diplomatic RP'ing skills.

OOC;

Sounds like a plan. I want to keep RP'ing the treaty, and improve my diplomatic RP'ing skills.
same here!

OOC Uhm, Guys, why "move" anything? Just keep posting back and forth between yourselves. IDF is the host, not the moderator.

IC: Voyate looked up from his notes. "As yet, we have an agreement to a lack of tariffs. What of foreign ownership? What of sanction agreements against those who go beyond the ideology of this document? What of those outside our agreement - and what measures to make all such trade more equitable, including tourism and telecommunications?"

OOC Uhm, Guys, why "move" anything? Just keep posting back and forth between yourselves. IDF is the host, not the moderator.

IC: Voyate looked up from his notes. "As yet, we have an agreement to a lack of tariffs. What of foreign ownership? What of sanction agreements against those who go beyond the ideology of this document? What of those outside our agreement - and what measures to make all such trade more equitable, including tourism and telecommunications?"

The ITD Delegate spoke up.

"Sactions should be nothing more than just simple trade sanctions. If a member of this treaty fails to adhere to it, we shall cese trade until they do. This of course should only to apply to trade amounst members of this treaty. Trade with outsiders shall not be regulated by this treaty.

Tourism is always equitable, ITD is not above allowing tourists into its borders. ITD has an excellent phone and satellite system, so electronic communication should not be a problem.

ITD would like to discuss regulation of advertising during this conference."

Karla sat stoically through the delegates speeches.

"I believe that there should be sanctions should be permitted aganist nations who the nation doing the sanctioning is at war with. Free trade between two or more enemies during wartime has the potential to cause great chaos.

Special forces, undercover soldiers, easy terrorism, sneaking in WMD's, sneaking secret aid, etc. are some of the examples that could happen if we forbid sanctions during war-time.

As for sanctions during peace-time, they should be permitted if the Free Trade Council comprised by the signatories of this treaty votes for it. I recommend a 2/3 majority.

This could ensure that terrorist nations and such will be denied material and goods, while preventing willy-nilly sanctions of nations that just have slight or moderate disagreements."

The ITD Delegate spoke up.

"Sactions should be nothing more than just simple trade sanctions. If a member of this treaty fails to adhere to it, we shall cese trade until they do. This of course should only to apply to trade amounst members of this treaty. Trade with outsiders shall not be regulated by this treaty.

Tourism is always equitable, ITD is not above allowing tourists into its borders. ITD has an excellent phone and satellite system, so electronic communication should not be a problem.

ITD would like to discuss regulation of advertising during this conference."
The Sanctaphrax delegate stood up.
"I confess to not being overtly knowledgable in the area of advertising but what if we were to allow X amount of adverts and then charge extra for every additional advert? That way we're not blocking them from advertising as much as they want but they would have to pay more to advertise more."

Karla sat stoically through the delegates speeches.

"I believe that there should be sanctions should be permitted aganist nations who the nation doing the sanctioning is at war with. Free trade between two or more enemies during wartime has the potential to cause great chaos.

Special forces, undercover soldiers, easy terrorism, sneaking in WMD's, sneaking secret aid, etc. are some of the examples that could happen if we forbid sanctions during war-time.

As for sanctions during peace-time, they should be permitted if the Free Trade Council comprised by the signatories of this treaty votes for it. I recommend a 2/3 majority.

This could ensure that terrorist nations and such will be denied material and goods, while preventing willy-nilly sanctions of nations that just have slight or moderate disagreements."


"We would like to propose a Free Trade Treaty Organisation (FTTO), which could be set up with forums and a board to regulate the treaty. This organisation could be used to make amendments and even make new treatys. It would start up just enforcing this treaty, but others could be compiled"

OOC: Sorry to go off on a bit of a tangent, but this is just what we need. Basically, forum with a board which make the importatnt decisions, new membrs can join all the time, we can change it and eventually change it into a treaty organisation. The idea is a bit disorganised, but you get the idea?