NationStates Jolt Archive

OCC: Although this is a closed RP see this thread (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=351790).
We all know that the war was started by http://www.hitler.org/images/hitler.in.car.jpg and ended when he http://www.celebritymorgue.com/adolf-hitler/hitler-doppelganger.jpg. But what if there were minor differences in what happened, what would happen? Well we are about to find out!

OOC: when will pearl harbor start? i wanna kill sum Nazis!
oh yea were supposed to post our armies, now right? jeez. do we make up our own similar to the ones in WW2? or do we have to have exact replicas? just started to wonder...

Right, then. When do we start? 1939? or earlier, like 1938?\

P.S.- this is the Italian order of battle- as of June 10, 1940 (Italy's RL entry into the war)

http://www.comandosupremo.com/Esercito.html

http://www.comandosupremo.com/RegiaMarina.html

http://www.comandosupremo.com/RegiaAeronautica.html


Also, Comando Supremo also has other resources for Italy in WWII.

OOC: how do i find a page like that? google?

Probably.

I cant seem to find anything but veteran memorial pages and what units were used, not a list of the battallions and regiments. help pls!

'Fraid I can't. I really don't know much about U.S. Army in 1939, sorry.

Why dont we just have 1 person start the war and let itself unfold.

OOC: Don't get too technical :p Just focus on numbers of soldiers and types of equipment. Just assume a division equals 20,000 men, and not all were mobilised at the start of the war. (italys divisions were 10,000 men though, and not sure about the rest)

And who said Japan had to join the Axis? ;) I'll RP Poland in addition to France if you like as well.

OOC: Hmm.. well for the USSR i got..

Red Army

220 Infantry divisions
20 Tank divisions
5 Airborne divisions
3 Cavalry divisions

Air Force

60 Fighter squadrons
60 Dive-bomber squadrons
20 Strategic bomber squadrons

Navy

3 Battleships
1 Destroyer flotilla
5 Frigates
20 Gunboats

Let's get started.

Date: September 1, 1939. 7:00 AM, Rome.

It was a normal morning in Rome. Mussolini had just arrived for work, as had many other Italians. Today, the Regia Aeronautica was going to perform an airshow outside Rome. Mussolini was planning to attend, he would use the event to promote Italian air superiority.

OOC: i found infantry divisions and armored, so ill post them. when i find the air force divisions ill post them ASAP.

Infantry divisions:
106 Ground infantry divisions
1 Airborne division

Armored divisions:
118 armored divisions

OCC: ok heres to start off.
IC: September 1st 1939
In Poland... At 0445 hours German forces invade Poland without a declaration of war. The operation is code named Fall Weiss (Plan White). The Germans allot 52 divisions for the invasion (some 1.5 million men), including the 6 armored divisions and all their motorized units. Of the divisions left to defend against an Anglo-French front, only about 10 are regarded by the Germans as being fit for any kind of action. General Brauchitsch, the Commander-in-Chief of the German Army, is in command of the campaign. Bock leads Army Group North, consisting of the 4th Army (Kuchler) and 3rd Army (Kluge); Rundstedt leads Army Group South, consisting of 8th Army (Balskowitz), 10th Army (Reichenau) and 14th Army (List). Air support comes from two Air Fleets, commanded by Kesselring and Lohr, which have around 1,600 aircraft. Army Group South, advancing from Silesia, is to provide the main German attacks. The 8th Army on the left is to move toward Poznan, the principal thrust is to be delivered by 10th Army which is to advance in the center to the Vistula River between Warsaw and Sandomierz, while 14th Army on the right moves toward Krakow and the Carpathian flank. The 4th Army from East Prussia is to move south toward Warsaw and the line to the Bug River to the east; 3rd Army is to cross the Polish Corridor and join 4th Army in moving south. The Poles have 23 regular infantry divisions prepared with 7 more assembling, 1 weak armored division and an inadequate supply of artillery. They also have a considerable force of cavalry. The reserve units were only called up on August 30th and are not ready for combat. In the air, almost all the 500 Polish planes are obsolete and prove unable to blunt the impact of the German attack. During the day, the Luftwaffe launches air strikes on Warsaw, Lodz and Krakow. The Polish Commander in Chief, Marshal Rydz-Smigly, has deployed the stronger parts of his army in the northwestern half of the country, including large forces in the Poznan area and the Polish Corridor. He hopes to hold the Germans to only gradual gains. All along the front the superior training, equipment and strength of the Germans quickly brings them the advantage in the first battles. Many Polish units are overrun before their reinforcements from the reserve mobilization can arrive. At sea, as in the air, Polish technical inferiority leads to crushing early defeats. Three of the four Polish destroyers manage to leave for Britain before hostilities begin and later one submarine also escapes. On the first day the old pre-Dreadnought battleship, Schleswig-Holstein, bombards the Polish naval base at Westerplatte.
In Berlin... Officials claim that Polish army regulars started firing on Germans along the frontier and that the fire was returned beginning at 0445 hours. Hitler addresses the Reichstag during the day, declaring "I am determined to eliminate from the German frontiers the element of insecurity, the atmosphere which permanently resembles that of civil war."

From Warsaw... The Polish government appeals for British and French intervention under the terms of the Mutual Assistance Treaties.

In London... The British government demands a German withdrawal from Poland.

In Britain... Because of the fear of air attacks, the evacuation of young children from London and other supposedly vulnerable areas is begun. General mobilization is proclaimed. (The Royal Navy was mobilized on August 31st.) Air Raid Precautions (ARP) are introduced and a "blackout" enforced from sunset. British railways are taken under government control.

In Paris... The French government demands a German withdrawal from Poland.

In France... General mobilization and a "state of siege" (martial law) are proclaimed.

In Rome... The Italian government announces that it will not take any military initiative.

In the Soviet Union... The armed forces are mobilized and the draft age is lowered from 21 to 19.

In Washington... President Roosevelt calls for a ban on indiscriminate bombing of civilians and undefended towns.

In Oslo... The Norwegian government declares its neutrality.

In Bern... The Swiss government declares its neutrality.

In Helsinki... The Finnish government declares its neutrality.

OOC: i found infantry divisions and armored, so ill post them. when i find the air force divisions ill post them ASAP.

Infantry divisions:
106 Ground infantry divisions
1 Airborne division

Armored divisions:
118 armored divisions

okay, i have the Air force divisions.

80 total divisions
26 fighter divisions
35 bomber divisions
7 troop carrier divisions
4 reconnisance divisions
3 composite divisions
3 bomber trainee divisions
2 anti-sub divisions

OOC: what sucks is after hours of research, i STILL cant find the infantry and armored divisions in detail like the air force aka. rifle divisions, machinegun divisions, and other detailed facts. all i know is that there were 12-man platoons armed with a single B.A.R and a browning .30 cal. i guess the captain had a thompson and the rest had rifles. could we go on that?

In response to the German attack, Mussolini addressed the Chamber of Fasces and Corporations.

"Even though I appreciate Hitler spreading the Fascist ideal, Italy cannot go to war at this time. I am appalled at the state of our armed forces- We can barely equip our army, our tanks are mostly useless, and our Navy, while it can easily match Britain's, has hardly any oil. Therefore, I am authorizing oil exploration in Italy's colonies, and a mass initiative to encourage industry in Italy."

ooc: Little known fact, at this time, Polish AT-Guns are some of the best, if not the best (i read this from a reliable source), and the german crosses painted on their tanks helped them target the weak poinnts, so germany had to paint over most of their tank crosses, LOL! and i hope you'll honour the molotov-ribbentropp pact :P

russian divisions ranged from 8 to 14k thats why they could put so many out mind you 5 mil final assault force on germany is impressive

ooc: Japanese military stats: 1,196,000 men in the army, 91 air squadrons.

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September 1, 1939 22:30

In Manchuria: 200,000 men and 5 Chi-Ha tank divisions of the Kwantung Army, 9 fighter squadrons, and 5 bomber squadrons and have begun an offensive against the Soviet cities/outposts of Vladivostok and Khabarovsk. Reports from the officers of our grand Imperial Army troops say that Soviet troops attacked them first. The Imperial Army troops are advancing deep into the USSR, having encountered no resistance after the first "attacks". 3 cruisers of the Imperial Japanese Navy have begun to bombard Vladivostok. Prime Minister Konoye hasn't been available for comments.

Is anyone still participating in this?

ooc: IS THIS A DEAD THREAD!!!

I'm still here, If we want to revive it?

I'm here.

Im here

ooc: I am waiting for a response from Russia from my attacks.

OOC: Its highly unlikely you wouldnt encounter resistance..

The Japanese have taken Vladivostok.