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The United States of Wolf America has found a metal alloy that we call it wolfantium. We melt two metal together, steel and a unknown metal substance found by our diggers. Our diggers found it in the Gulf of White Wolf. So, they send it to our minister of technology, Professor Jack F. Freeman. The professor ran test on it. He found out that the metal is strong as Steel but is lighter than Aluminum. The USWA will be putting it on our battlearmor & etc. We are not going to sell the metal to anyone.

OOC: Is it anything like adamantium in Warhammer 40K?

OOC: Is it anything like adamantium in Warhammer 40K?
OOC: What is that like?

OOC: Stronger then steel, but lighter and easier to build with.

OOC: Stronger then steel, but lighter and easier to build with.

OOC: Yeah.

My OOC reply:
Bullshit. That's pretty damn close to godmodding. "Hey, guys! I conveniently found a new kind of metal which is DEFINITELY MY IDEA. Not stolen from anywhere else. Nope. And it's also conveniently stronger than any other metal! It's also SO much more lightweight! Wow! How lucky for us! We're not giving it to anyone else, either! Whee!" I didn't even have to look at your population or joining date to know you're a no0b. And, surprise, you are! Also, "one pound" means what? One pound per square inch? One pound per square foot?
My IC reply:
I'd like to see this new metal to verify its authenticity and to test it for its durability and overall strength. I'll pay you $100,000,000 jacks (about equivalent to $150,000,000 U.S. dollars) to be able to test this metal.

My OOC reply:
Bullshit. That's pretty damn close to godmodding. "Hey, guys! I conveniently found a new kind of metal which is DEFINITELY MY IDEA. Not stolen from anywhere else. Nope. And it's also conveniently stronger than any other metal! It's also SO much more lightweight! Wow! How lucky for us! We're not giving it to anyone else, either! Whee!" I didn't even have to look at your population or joining date to know you're a no0b. And, surprise, you are! Also, "one pound" means what? One pound per square inch? One pound per square foot?
My IC reply:
I'd like to see this new metal to verify its authenticity and to test it for its durability and overall strength. I'll pay you $100,000,000 jacks (about equivalent to $150,000,000 U.S. dollars) to be able to test this metal.

I change the post. It is light as the metal that a soda can is made for.
There is stuff like this in NS. I'm a future nation. The year is 2029.
Resi has something like this.

OOC: look up Wolf Kingdom, my former nation. I lost it because of some jack*** hacker change my password and took of my e-mail off.
http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=Wolf_Kingdom
And out of 48 people look at this post. You were the one that said something.

OOC: Future nations. Hmm. Well, then, my offer is null. I'm not a future nation, nor a past nation.

OOC:
If you're a future nation, invent a new alloy or something; just discovering some new metal is impossible, regaurdless of the tech(ever hear of the periodic table?), unless you're fantasy or the ilk.

And atleast come up with a new name; there are probally fifty different things called Adamantium by now.

OOC: Future nations. Hmm. Well, then, my offer is null. I'm not a future nation, nor a past nation.

OOC: Ok. Please leave a alone, now.

OOC:
If you're a future nation, invent a new alloy or something; just discovering some new metal is impossible, regaurdless of the tech(ever hear of the periodic table?), unless you're fantasy or the ilk.

And atleast come up with a new name; there are probally fifty different things called Adamantium by now.

OOC: I'm a future/fantasy nation. Look at the big list of roleplayers.
I'm think of a cool sounding name, now.
Wolfantium
Texasmantium

OOC: I'm a future/fantasy nation. Look at the big list of roleplayers.
I'm think of a cool sounding name, now.
Wolfantium
Texasmantium

OOC:
Well, fantasy metals usually have some supernatural properties.

And I'd still sugest using an alloy; there are modern alloys that probally aren't too far off from your choosen stats.

There CAN be new metals and elements.

1000 years ago, people would think Uranium is fantasy and can't exist.

There could be brand new elements and metals on, say, Mars, or in other solar systems.

Also, new metals and elements can be created by fusing atoms. Suppose you fuse Uranium with Iron, or Uranium with Helium. That sort of stuff.

Really, there's an infinite amount of metals, elements, and resources you can create, provided you have the technology to do so.

There CAN be new metals and elements.

1000 years ago, people would think Uranium is fantasy and can't exist.

There could be brand new elements and metals on, say, Mars, or in other solar systems.

Also, new metals and elements can be created by fusing atoms. Suppose you fuse Uranium with Iron, or Uranium with Helium. That sort of stuff.

Really, there's an infinite amount of metals, elements, and resources you can create, provided you have the technology to do so.

Yer talking out yer butt; such superheavy(!) elements are always unstable and decay within moments. It's theorised that a stable superheavy element(s) may be possible, but we haven't found it yet, and the energies necessary to create it would rule out anything more than microscopic trace quantities ever being found in nature.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about; this is practicly high school chemistry.

OOC:
Well, fantasy metals usually have some supernatural properties.

And I'd still sugest using an alloy; there are modern alloys that probally aren't too far off from your choosen stats.

It is an alloy, then.
What modern alloys that probally aren't too far off from my choosen stat?

OOC: I'm going to bed. Will check this out will I get up.

Take note of my key phrase in my previous post....

you can create, provided you have the technology to do so.

I could theretically build 10 fission or fusion power plants to exclusively supply energy to "custom element factories" where I can produce customized new metal alloys and such.

In addition, there could be stellar phenmonena out there that produces tremendous amounts of energy. The Hubble telescope and our deep space radio / radar can't map the whole universe and every crook and ninny. We'd have to go out there and explore it firsthand.

I guess what I'm saying is that we shouldn't discount the possibility of super elements.

It is an alloy, then.
What modern alloys that probally aren't too far off from my choosen stat?

OOC: I'm going to bed. Will check this out will I get up.

OOC:
I'm thinking in general; there's an absurde number of 'em out there, regaurdless, and then there are things like composites, carbon fiber, a synthetic spiders silk. Materials science is advancing quite rapidly.

Take note of my key phrase in my previous post....



I could theretically build 10 fission or fusion power plants to exclusively supply energy to "custom element factories" where I can produce customized new metal alloys and such.

In addition, there could be stellar phenmonena out there that produces tremendous amounts of energy. The Hubble telescope and our deep space radio / radar can't map the whole universe and every crook and ninny. We'd have to go out there and explore it firsthand.

I guess what I'm saying is that we shouldn't discount the possibility of super elements.

Unstable super heavy elements are produced in minute quantities(we're talking about very few individual atoms) now days in partical accellerators, using absurd amounts of power; to do so in sufficent quantities and at low enough cost to be suitible for comercial use would requior extreamly advanced tech; well in advance of Wolfie here's stated time, and probally a good deal more so that Star Trek.

The heaviest elements found in nature are belived to have formed in some of those extreamly energetic objects that you're talking about; supernovas, cheifly, iirc. Still, even if it does exist, and it probally does if it can, then it would be in quantities far to minute to be useful outside of research.

Also, nitpick; an element is not an alloy or vice versa. And helium was first discovered in the sun, via, iirc, spectrometer, so no, we don't have to go out there(heck, a few years ago, a recall reading that they measured the content of sulfer in a star-crassing extra-solar planet with the Hubble, atleast tens of lightyears away; not sure if they took more measurements of the ilk afterwards, tho).

Yer talking out yer butt; such superheavy(!) elements are always unstable and decay within moments. It's theorised that a stable superheavy element(s) may be possible, but we haven't found it yet, and the energies necessary to create it would rule out anything more than microscopic trace quantities ever being found in nature.

Trust me, I know what I'm talking about; this is practicly high school chemistry.
It is High school Chemistry Basicly

Periodic table... 'nuff said, really..

I understand all your points, guys.

However, science is always expanding. New charts, tables, classifications, etc. are always going to be created.

100 years ago, we didn't have all the elements in our current periodical table classified and listed. Whats to say that our periodical table of elements is the final list of every element in existence?

I am sure within 100, 200, or 300 more years, our Periodical Table will be expanded more and more.

Some theories can be proven wrong. Some facts and established scientific fact can be dis-proven. Perhaps there are processes out there that defy our conventional scientific beliefs and commonly held methodology.

After all, 3,000 years ago, the Ancient Greeks had science based on the universe revolving around Earth. Galileo and European astronomers dis-proved this supposed Ancient Greek scientific "fact".

Again, I'm just saying that there IS a possibility of large amounts of super elements produced through a natural process we don't know of, haven't explored or theorized about, etc.

Anyways, I've said my piece, and back to topic.... Wolf America can produce his alloy. I don't have any problem with that, and I won't be ignoring his material as a god-mod.

I understand all your points, guys.

However, science is always expanding. New charts, tables, classifications, etc. are always going to be created.

100 years ago, we didn't have all the elements in our current periodical table classified and listed. Whats to say that our periodical table of elements is the final list of every element in existence?

I am sure within 100, 200, or 300 more years, our Periodical Table will be expanded more and more.

Some theories can be proven wrong. Some facts and established scientific fact can be dis-proven. Perhaps there are processes out there that defy our conventional scientific beliefs and commonly held methodology.

After all, 3,000 years ago, the Ancient Greeks had science based on the universe revolving around Earth. Galileo and European astronomers dis-proved this supposed Ancient Greek scientific "fact".

Again, I'm just saying that there IS a possibility of large amounts of super elements produced through a natural process we don't know of, haven't explored or theorized about, etc.

Anyways, I've said my piece, and back to topic.... Wolf America can produce his alloy. I don't have any problem with that, and I won't be ignoring his material as a god-mod.

Thank you.

I understand all your points, guys.

However, science is always expanding. New charts, tables, classifications, etc. are always going to be created.

100 years ago, we didn't have all the elements in our current periodical table classified and listed. Whats to say that our periodical table of elements is the final list of every element in existence?


It doesn't contain all possible elements. That's a fact; that you're presenting it as a 'might be possible' only underlines the fact that you have little idea what you're talking about, and that you haven't been paying very close attention to what I've been saying. Hence, I won't bother elaborating.


Anyways, I've said my piece, and back to topic.... Wolf America can produce his alloy. I don't have any problem with that, and I won't be ignoring his material as a god-mod.

I sugested he make it a new alloy rather than an element because new alloys are common iRL; this one would be rather impressive and likly expensive, but it's atleast realistic.

Several Notes:

"The metal a soda can's made from" == Aluminum (hence, the aluminum can). Well, probably not straight aluminum anymore, but still, "that one metal" sounds bad. Just a nit pick.

On the superheavy elements. I remember reading that they believe they could create a "stable" superheavy element with a suitable supercolider. It would be prohibitively expensive, horribly radioactive, and only useful for buidling really small nuclear bombs. Not effective, not useful, unless you really want to bankrupt your nation for the sake of that one nuclear bullet.

On the superheavy elements. I remember reading that they believe they could create a "stable" superheavy element with a suitable supercolider. It would be prohibitively expensive, horribly radioactive, and only useful for buidling really small nuclear bombs. Not effective, not useful, unless you really want to bankrupt your nation for the sake of that one nuclear bullet.

If it's radioactive, it's probally not what you'd call a stable superheavy element, just abnormally long lived for such a heavy element; the newest elements that that've been discovered have half-lives measured in absurdly small fractions of a second.

If it's radioactive, it's probally not what you'd call a stable superheavy element, just abnormally long lived for such a heavy element; the newest elements that that've been discovered have half-lives measured in absurdly small fractions of a second.

Well, stable is relatively speaking. These materials, at least in what I've read, will all be short lived, albeit longer than the infestimal existance inside of a particle acclerator that occurs with their slightly lighter brethren. (Those being the ones that disappear almost as soon as they're created.)

Even though it is only theoretical, new elements that weigh exactly the same as old ones are possible. The way the subatomic particles are structured could theoretically be different, but getting large amounts of these alternate elements would be a pain because they probably went another direction when the universe was formed :-P. In any case, finding a new and unknown element in useable quantities is unrealistic.period.

Also, extremely tight groupings of metal atoms of certain types(bunch of other weird qualifiers here etc....) have been found to behave like halogens. I took this a step further and made a similar configuration that acts as a non-reactive noble substance. I also patented the material so :-P again.