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since playing this game for nearly a year, i have noticed that their are alot of warhamer 40,000 players, and they use a lot of 40k tech. although some of it is difficult to figure out. i have been playing it for over 6 years, so if you have any queries about weapons, tanks or just history, i would pleased to explain

maybe this should have been posted in 'General'?

not really, since im not going to answer everything about it. just if some asks how a lasgun or a hayvire grenade works, then im here

how does an ork reproduce? :rolleyes:

well, ok. How does a terminator armour work and how thick is it?

Greatings from a fellow warhammer player. Almost all of my tech in warhammer inspired. (just check out my storefront: http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showforum=41)
Much of it has been modified; my own weapons and shields installed etc...
Either way, if you are looking for a large gathering of WH40k players and a military alliance in one, come to The Land of Chill.

I played WarHammer 40k once over a friends house, who had 3 armies. An orc army, a marines army, and a Dark Eldar army. I think its too much work and money for not enough fun.

I'll get on Warhammer40k as soon as my LOTR collection is complete.

Conrado: what you call work, i call fun. cause i dont play much. The money... well, i try not to spend to much on it.

okay, about the orks, this had me stumped, but i found this old article. a ork produced through spores ( no sex) the spores grow in cold dark places, and evolve quickly. remember, a ork only gets bigger when it gets more powerfull, so a warboss is going to be biger then a normal ork.

about terminator armour. firstly remember that the modles are screwed up. a space marien is ment to be about 9-10 foot.terminator armour is virtually a exo skeleton of armour. imagine sitting in amini submarrien. we are talking about 9 inches. also it has artificial muscells, so anyone with this stuff on can hold a rpg in one hand and a m60 in the other

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What is the height of a Baneblade?

What is the Height of an Imperator Class Imperial Titan?

okay, the imperator titan is about 180 foot. its huge, a bane blade is about 16 foot, 18 foot. thats why its called a super heavy tank

soem 40k tech rules:
1: GW are never specific about anythign they can possibly avoid
2: when they are specific (like when they released the modern novel range) they tend to get things very wrong. the closest they got to even somewhat right was basic bolt gun calibres rated at .75" or 19mm

Orks/Orcs have been covered, they are a fungal spore based race designed by soem unknown race to fight the tyranid threat (but sicne i haven't read anythign in over 2years Gw have likely assigned blame to the Ctan just like everything else).

termiantor armour is simply a massive extrapolation of basic power armour tech with uses a backpack mounted power generator to supply power via massively armoured cables to an integral exoskeleton. stated armour thickness of power armour varies with the exact type (as does exact composition) but it seems to rnage between 2-4" with a mix of adamantium and ceramide. If you can find the really old "history of power armour" artical then you should find more info.
as to the baneblade based ona rough geuss its about 1.5-2x the height of marine so say 12-16ft, the emperor class titans (imperator and warmaster classs) are more difficult to pin down but i would say a kilometer or 2.

A good solution to all basic questions is to find a copy of the codex imperialis from the 2nd edt box.

nah, not a kilometer. if you see the old titan games you see men running out of the legs, so it would not be a kilometer.

yes that would be tech gaurd (genally between impies and SMs in size)m lookign very very small
ok for maybe a km wa s abit much but at least twice the height of the tallest biulding in existance would be a bit mroe conservative.

how does an ork reproduce? :rolleyes:
Orcs are a fungoid species, they reproduce by spores.

On the subject of orks/gobbos (gretchin) while they are asexual they are quite wide open to influcence by other races hence the occasional appearance of apparently female orkoids (ok ok so it was only in bloodbowl but they were still funny, i wish they would bring back the funny orks, essepcailly the goff rok band...)

Actually, Games Workshop rather often is accurate in terms of modern day specifics these days, and so far i have noticed that they often get their stuff right. The boltgun calibre for example is right on the spot. It was also stated in one interview/tech brief in White Dwarf IIRC that torpedoes that the Imperial Navy uses to destroy Space Hulks are 610 Gigatons a piece. Imperial Navy ships make their attack runs at .75c (stated in Sabbat Martyr), and Lasguns operate in 19 Megajoule range (stated in Imperial Infantrymans Uplifting Primer).

All that kind of stuff.

cool,

Is there an actual timeline of events in Warhammer 40,000? If so, how comprehensive is it?

not really. their is a time line for that race in most codexes, but to see the whole timeline u have to buy them all

Ah, that's kind of crappy. Another thought, are Warhammer and Warhammer 40,000 part of the same universe? That is to say, is Warhammer set in Warhammer 40,000's past, or are they totaly different realities?

no they are not, the world of warhammer was created by the the old ones. if you read the necron codex it states that the old ones reason for abandoning the world of warhammer is because they were in a war with the c'tan (wich they lost)

Ok, maybe I'm missing something. Doesn't old ones=Necrons=C'tan?

no the c'tan beat up the iold ones with the help of the necrons ( wich may/may not have created i do not know) then they went into a billionyear sleep to recuperate.

Ahh, I see. Sorry if I don't know these things. I've always taken an interest in Warhammer, but never actually bought any models or codexes. I think about it alot, but don't think it would be really worth the investment. Still, maybe one day I'll try.

well, it depends. i havnt bought any in oh, a year, and i still have fun. yu could buy one every 6 months

Orks/Orcs have been covered, they are a fungal spore based race designed by soem unknown race to fight the tyranid threat (but sicne i haven't read anythign in over 2years Gw have likely assigned blame to the Ctan just like everything else).


The orks are the produce of the the "Old Ones" (Slaan), the gods of the Lizardmen in Warhammer. The Eldar were the first experiment, but were too difficult to control in their younger days. The orcs were created as a stop-gap for the war with the C'tan, as rapidly reproducing troops were needed as cannon-fodder. Humans were created at the same time as a long-term plan.

The C'tan were created by the necro-whatsits, but enslaved their creators to create the necrons. They are also created the Harlequin branch of the Eldar race.

Don't know where the Old Ones came from, nor the Chaos Gods, other than Slaneesh, who was created by the Eldar.

Ya, you're right. And I've been tempted for so long. I think maybe I'll take a trip down to Gamer's Workshop tomorrow.....yaaay fun. :D

@New age guilds-The necrontyr were made by the old ones. since they would drop dead (because of a close sun)in 20-35 years, they hated the old ones, the c'tan learned how deliscous souls were, so manipulated them to become necrons(in the process they ate their souls, and got an army of metal)
Universalist Totality/New age guilds-The two games together is more of a fantasy, as EVERYONE at the GW store bothers them, asking "Is the warhammer world a feral world? Is Sigmar a missing primarch?" and others like them. Their answer-NONONO. Only once, and never again did the universes connect, in talisman. Are they connected at some level? Yes, yes they're, as in the warhammer rule book, the khornate daemon prince goes on about thousands of other worlds, but he choose this one. So one of those will put him in 40K(No matter what GW says)

Uh...Dalradia, the C'tan were around before or when the old ones came around, so no mortal creatures made them....

Harlequin were made from the eldar's fall, hence why they fight chaos.

u know they may release a official harlequin codex....but enough of the history, im better at technology

The orks are the produce of the the "Old Ones" (Slaan), the gods of the Lizardmen in Warhammer. The Eldar were the first experiment, but were too difficult to control in their younger days. The orcs were created as a stop-gap for the war with the C'tan, as rapidly reproducing troops were needed as cannon-fodder. Humans were created at the same time as a long-term plan.

The C'tan were created by the necro-whatsits, but enslaved their creators to create the necrons. They are also created the Harlequin branch of the Eldar race.

Don't know where the Old Ones came from, nor the Chaos Gods, other than Slaneesh, who was created by the Eldar.

Slanesh created by the Eldar? I think you're getting your 40K and fantasy history a bit mixed up. The standard history of Warhammer fantasy is that the old ones used warp gates to travel from planet to planet or dimension or something (like in Star Gate). The Lizardmen were their slaves as you said and the gate on Terra was in the far north but it blew up! All sorts of raw magic spilled out creating the chaos wastes and really messing up the earth. Human's were just as savage as the orcs but Sigmar united them, and drove the orcs out of his Empire (with a help from the Dwarfs). Then there is all the history of the war between dwaves and elves and that the elves went back to their little island and the dwarves went to the mountains. Somone who knows more about this fill in the blanks please. But as soon as a new edition of warhammer comes out, half the history changes anyway. Like towards the end of 5th edition Slyvania appeared right in the middle of moot!

Has anyone played the Inquisition game? (not sure if that's what its called). It looks kind of interesting.

Alf Ganistan, while that is a good point, but eldar are in 40K, not fantasy. And in 40K, yes, yes the eldar made slaanesh and the EoT.

Technically, the Eldar, or, at that point, Elves, were corrupt. They created Slaanesh from their decadence, after the other Chaos gods, and formed the Eye.

Exactley UA *stupid space elves made eye of terror*

okay, slannesh was created by the eldar, read your codexes. okay, along time ago, he eldar were ll a bunch of pleasure seekers, and they had so much pleasure that it created this sadistic pleasure god slaneash. half the elder race were wiped out by the psycic birth cry of slaneash. half of that half split of to become dark eldar when the eldar leaders said if we keep being pleasure seekers then slaneash will eat us. they then created soulstones that captured a eldars soul, so when he died, he wouldnt be taken by slaneash

However, WH, and WH40K are alternate universes. Sigmar is like the Emperor in 40k, but different. There are Dark Elves, Dark Eldar, Elves, Eldar, Humans, Humans, Chaos, Chaos, and so forth. Each is different, but similar.

OK you're right, the 40K and Fantasy are completely separate. Do the Eldar worship Khain? Is that the same for elves or dark elves in fantasy?

how do squigs digest their food?
and what is a squig?

Yes actually, the Dark Elves worshipped Kaine. The Bloodyhanded god of murder. Possibly Khorne's cousin.

no, khain is one of khorns 9 faces. he has these 9 faces, one for each type of killing so khorne for death and stuff, khain is murder, but he probably has more.
high elves also worsip khain, and its funny how one of khornes faces deafeated him

I know about the 9 faces. It was a joke.

how do squigs digest their food?
and what is a squig?

Here are some squigs

http://www.2md.dk/gw-warmaster/images/armies/orcs_n_goblins/squig.jpg

oh right

no, khain is one of khorns 9 faces. he has these 9 faces, one for each type of killing so khorne for death and stuff, khain is murder, but he probably has more.
high elves also worsip khain, and its funny how one of khornes faces deafeated him

It all seems incredibly complicated. They don't like to keep their mythology clear, do they?

Have any of you guys heard of the 2 new up-and-coming fantasy campaigns?
Next year-something old ones
It mainley concerns pestlins(skaven WOOT) and the lizard men, all it will be is a book and possibly new models(but most important...plastic plague monks*play chorus of angels*).

The year after that-Shadow of Nagash
This the skaven will play a big part in also, as we have a weapon to kill that unliving bastard, other details on this are far too sketchy.....

(These have circulated alot, but I'm still not sure....)

I do believe Squigs have incredibly strong stomach acid to digest their food.

Lol no. It's confusing because you can buy all the same daemons for fantasy and 40K yet you can't trace the histories back together and they reinvent most of it when a new version of an army book/codex is released.

Has anyone seems the previews for Dawn of War? It looks amazing!

the new campaigns look good. about the fact that the skaven had something to kill him with. you stil do. the fell blade is that actuall blade. the elves do 2

tyrion
and failing that
teclis
and failing that
the sword of khain

Aha, this a complete history of WH/WH40k?

Hmm, at least this 'history' is interesting, not like that stuff you get taught in a lot of schools.

Hmm, Khorne and Khaine, interesting. I still can't get my head around why eldar hate Khore (i.e. all chaos to be exact), yet still follow Khaine. On the other hand, how can Khaine be a face of Khorne if Khaine was deystroyed in a battle with the C'tan (this is in the necron codex i think), and exists now as the Avatars?

Out of interest, if anyone wants to know anything about the Primarchs, do ask.

Hmm, here's another idea, what do you lot think about The Deceiver creating the Tau?

Yup, I've seen the previews, well i have if you mean the 'gamefootage' at gamespot.com .

The Defiler, Farseer, Warboss are all great. Did you see the bit with a Grot with a mounted gun trying - but failing - to blow away a Dreanought? Classic.

the dark elves worship khain, the high elves just accept that he has his usses,

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dawn of war does look great, does it look like there are bases, its not quite clear?

Yup, I've seen the previews, well i have if you mean the 'gamefootage' at gamespot.com .

The Defiler, Farseer, Warboss are all great. Did you see the bit with a Grot with a mounted gun trying - but failing - to blow away a Dreanought? Classic.

It is one kickass game. I am a beta tester, and they seem to have gotten it completely right.

dawn of war does look great, does it look like there are bases, its not quite clear?

You build bases, get resources through capturing certain points and builing listening points.

Space marines can have up to 20 units (a tactical marine squad costs 2 squad points) and orks can have up to 100. It is very well balanced I assure you.

To get some things straight, the Chaos Gods were created by the massive amounts of negative emotions the human race began to create some thousands of years BC. From these emotions such were Khorne, Slaanesh, Tzeencth and Nurgle born. As far as i know, and according to the sources i have read, Slaanesh wasn really created by the Eldar, but it was the last of the Chaos Gods to awake to existence and it brought upon the downfall of the Eldar race as it appealed to some of their darkest desires.

You build bases, get resources through capturing certain points and builing listening points.

Space marines can have up to 20 units (a tactical marine squad costs 2 squad points) and orks can have up to 100. It is very well balanced I assure you.


how do you know so much?

what sort of vehicles are available?

how do you know so much?

what sort of vehicles are available?

He's propably in the Open Beta, as am i.

Anyways, the Space Marines get Rhino's, Land Speeders, Dreadnaughts, Hellfire Dreadnaughts, Whirlwinds, Predators and Land Raiders

Chaos has Defilers, Predators and some third which i cant remember now

Eldar has Falcon Grav Tanks, Vyper Jetbikes, Wraithlords and Fire Prisms

Havent tried the Orks so dont know what they have.

cool, how you finding it, is it easy to get into?

who is the campaign fought with?

can units be "built" or you given a set amount?



thanks :)

He's propably in the Open Beta, as am i.

Anyways, the Space Marines get Rhino's, Land Speeders, Dreadnaughts, Hellfire Dreadnaughts, Whirlwinds, Predators and Land Raiders

Chaos has Defilers, Predators and some third which i cant remember now

Eldar has Falcon Grav Tanks, Vyper Jetbikes, Wraithlords and Fire Prisms

Havent tried the Orks so dont know what they have.
Chaos Rinos, Chaos LAnd Rovers, Chaos Dreadnaughts.