NationStates Jolt Archive

Ooc- CM forces are minutes from kicking off major preemptive offensives to stop enemy mobilizations against her.


Ic- "CM will completely withdraw all colonists and forces from Africa. Mississippian Libya and Arabian Libya will revert back to Libya, and CM will pay reparations to the sum of 500 billion dollars to the Libyan people. Western Sahara... We are at a loss what to do there, there are 500,000 foreign blacks from Angola living there, we cannot just leave them and the arabs to hack it out with each other. We will remove all CM citizens from Africa within 72 hours if the world will accept that to avert war. We have approximately 210 million citizens in Africa and as such we will need assistance and cooperation from various nations to help in this plan. We await your reply." Paul Stahlecker foreign minister.

Ooc- Well.... I'm waiting.

Sevaris agrees to these terms. We also would like it if you'd let our force in AL leave peacefully.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris.

Likewise. And why the fuck was I not told about this?

We are very happy to see this move. We will send cargo aircraft to help move people out.

205 C-5A/B Galaxy
250 C-141 Starlifter
100 C-17 Globemaster III

We will also move the following ships from ports in Ajaccio to help pull citizens out.

10 Nimitz Aircraft Carriers
x265 CH-47 Chinook's
400 Large, Medium-speed, Roll-on/Roll-off Ships
105 Landing Craft, Air Cushion (LCAC) Transport's
12 Mercy Class Hospital Ship's
10 Mars Class Combat Stores Ship
20 Cimarron class cargo ships
5 Gopher State Class Auxiliary Crane Ship
15 Strong Virginian Class Lift-on/Lift-off Ship

As you notice. None of these ships are armed for combat. Any attack on them will result in full scale war from Communist Louisiana.

OOC; While I can't make an official statement, I am backing CM on this peaceful decision to bring sovereignty to Libya, Egypt, and the Western Sahara.

We will give financial/logisitical support to help CM take his citizens home.

In Western Sahara, news of the coming CM withdrawl, sparked clashes between Arab and Black gangs, that only ended when Commonwealth Police and Paratroopers physically pulled them off each other. Mass arrests have been made and over 200 blacks and 100 arabs were killed in clashes between rival gangs.

Governor General Henry Stahlecker of Western Sahara has declared, "Well Libya and Egypt were always 1 racial group, so pulling out there won't be a problem. But if we leave Western Sahara, it will turn into a Rwanda."

High command replied, "So what, it won't be our business then, keep them apart until all white colonists are out. Then it becomes the world's problem."


C-130s and C-17s were soon to begin loading all white colonists from WS to take them back to Mississippi.


The Minister of Finance and Minister of Economics were going over the budget, declaring, "We will need to build at least 12 more islands like Fabus Island to comfortably house all those from Western Sahara."

If these are CM's wishes, so be it. The Emperor of ITD would like an agreement signed that NO nation may occupy these lands, and that they will remain devoid of any other nations forces.

Agreed, but how can they be kept free?

Agreed, but how can they be kept free?

An agreement that none of us will occupy them and that we shall enforce this agreement, with force if needed.

OK. One other thing: CM personnel cannot do what they usually do and take half the country with them when they leave.

In Egypt, news of the coming CM withdrawl sparked a mass guerilla attack against isolated white farms.


Over 200,000 guerillas, most of whom had gone into hiding, saw this as their chances, years of anger and rage exploded. The Commonweal units that been guarding the farms were all either on the coast helping the withdrawl of civilians, or on the Nile.


The white farmers of Southern Egypt, under the leadership of senator Simon Rutledge, unilaterally declared independence from Mississippi and Mississippian Egypt. They declared the formation of the "Confederation of Egyptian Territories." (12 million whites in Southern Egypt, of which they are all armed to the teeth and there are 120,000 commonwealth soldiers stationed there joining secession)


The egyptian government, which will soon be headed by Nasser Aref, has declared, "Whites are welcome to stay in Egypt and help build a better Egypt. We ask the farmers to give it a chance... If it doesn't work, you can always leave."


Rutledge fired back, "If it doesn't work, we'll be dead! Like the whites in Angola! We need assurances we won't be brushed aside like the whites in Angola!"


Rutledge and Aref were set to meet and discuss the problems at hand.

In Tripoli, white militias fired RPGs and MILANS at the "CM Commonwealth Authority building" and at the governor-generals mansion (he wasn't in there at the time)

Mobs of robed and hooded men paraded through the streets, declaring the splintering of the WKM realm of Libya into the White Knights of White Libya.


Over 90% of the WKM of Libya have abandoned the WKM realm of Libya in favor of the WKWL.

Reports are that all throughout Libya, mobs are burning Mississippian flags and shouting, "Another Angola!", "Betrayal!", "Death to Mississippi!"

I also suggest a ruling that only non-military personnel (rebuilding) may enter the nation. That other nations must agree to let such forces in, and that the nations that are part of this agreement not provide military aide to the african nations in question.

Official Presidential Statement

All these are to our liking. Grenval offers one Light Infantry Division to enforce the treaty of non-occupation, to be rotated in and out in six month intervals. Grenval aslo wires Communist Mississippi twenty billion guynms to support the relocation of citizens.

President George
Ruler of Grenval

Nasser Aref and Simon Rutledge, speaking via conference phone with Curtis Fabus have reached an agreement. Aref has declared, "Egypt will remain a part of the Commonwealth on several conditions.
1) Full equality in terms of freedom of movement, press, speech, religion, etc.
2) The allowing of Arabs to be elected to the Commonwealth Senate.
3) The allowing of Arabs to join the Commonwealth army in any numbers they so choose.
4) The payment of $50,000 in reparations to each of the 30 million arabs in Mississippian Egypt.
5) The rebuilding of all property destroyed or damaged since the occupation of Egypt began by Mississippian Forces."

When asked why he was offering to stay a part of the Commonwealth, Aref commented, "Well when Mississippi left Angola, it was taken over by an even greater oppressive nation... If we can work a deal with Mississippi to secure our rights, I don't have a problem with whites living here. I don't hate white people, and I hold no grudges against them."

It has been suggested that whatever the case, Simon Rutledge will stay in Alexandria, and it is likely he will be the vice-president and Aref the president if a new government is formed. If the country maintains ties to Mississippi, it is likely that the current governor-general, the well-known liberal from Seryown, Alice Carrion, will remain as the leader, and Aref will become the leader of the Senate.

Fine, but the division must remain in your own territory. The same is true for every other nation's military forces.

OK. One other thing: CM personnel cannot do what they usually do and take half the country with them when they leave.


CM citizens and soldiers will take only CM property with them.

None of that. Anything manufactured within the arab territories they leave behind. It belongs to the arabs. Fair's fair.

In Mississippi, news of the crisis in her overseas commonwealth, sent stock prices tumbling downwards, a drop of well over 50% in Fabus Standard Oil, who gets most of their oil from Libya and Egypt.


Fabus Standard Oil down 66%.
Fabus Munitions down 22%.
Schacht Chemicals down 19%.
Schacht Advanced Pharmaceuticals down 28%.
Thaller Advanced Aeronautics down 19%.
Salazar Imperial Tobacco down 27%.
Fabus Premium Tobacco down 19%.
Fabus Motor Corporation down 14%.
Fabus Shipping Inc down 17%.
Triple K Airlines down 24%.
Triple K Trucking down 19%.

Surprisingly Fabus Airlines and the Commonwealth Airlines, are up 400%, with news that they've been contracted to remove all the colonists.

CM is asking the world that for the benefit of peace and stability, she maintain Western Sahara as a part of the commonwealth.


"The threat of an arab and black race war in Western Sahara, is far too real to ignore. If we withdraw from there, we're talking worse than Rwanda." Governor-General Henry Stahlecker of WS.

I also suggest that a international council be established to make vital decisions for the nations in question. The council should represent view points from all sections of the political spectrum. I suggest DPUO and CM be made permanent members.

The council would make economic and other decisions, such as oil production and distribution.

Reports of mass riots from the white cities in Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya have been confirmed. Commonwealth forces have refused to move against the rioters, who are attacking Federal forces. Federal forces have declared they will open-fire on any and all who attack them.


Approximately 500 Federal soldiers and 300 Commonwealth forces were reported to be skirmishing in a suburb of New Jackson City.

Whatever. For now, I say that CM leaves Egypt and Libya, and makes if possible a withdrawal from Western Sahara once the country can be stabilised. We will withdraw all forces from Libya at the behest of the Libyans.

CM is suggesting a Commonwealth Wide referendum on whether to totally disband the idea of the commonwealth and dissolve all holdings. Or whether to just do it in Africa, or what the other options might be. All citizens over 16 will take part, regardless of race and gender.

Native Legislatures in Arabian Libya and Commonwealth Senate in Mississippian Libya have already ratified treaties to unite the two nations back into Libya and then move forward to determine the exact fate of the nation.


Over 200 arab senators from AL, met with 50 white senators from ML.

The results from the North American Commonwealth are in.


Ohio: 84% Stay Commonwealth.

Indiana: 99% Stay Commonwealth. (When Angola fell, numbers of black angolans were temporarily settled here until they could be moved to WS, the people don't want a repeat but on much more massive scale)

Kentucky: 81% Stay Commonwealth.

Tennessee:99% Stay Commonwealth. (When Angola fell, numbers of black angolans were temporarily settled here until they could be moved to WS, the people don't want a repeat but on much more massive scale)


Fabus Island is not a commonwealth member as it is essentially a part of Mississippi herself. But a vote was held there nonetheless.

Fabus Island: 98% Stay Commonwealth.

Debates are raging in Mississippian Egypt and Libya as to which direction should be taken.

All the senators, white and arab, can agree on one thing. There must be real autonomy from Mississippi whatever the solution is. But they cannot agree on the exact course it should take.

Nasser Aref realizes that with the colonists leaving, Egypt will be economically insolvent, and her economy will fall to pieces. Also he realizes if the Commonwealth Army is gone, Egypt will be defenseless.

He is appealing to all the whites to stay and "build a better Egypt", thus far few whites are paying much attention, instead they are readying to leave. A recent survey showed that 23% of whites were considering staying in Egypt if Aref was president and it was totally independent of Mississippi. 85% of whites said they would stay if Egypt was still connected in some meaningful way to Mississippi, but simply had quote, "Much more freedoms".

A recent survey in Mississippi, banned from being revealed to foreign nations...

The survey: "How do you feel about the recent crisis in the Commonwealth territories in Africa and about the Fabus Regime's handling of the crisis. Select the response that best fits your feelings."

1) What is being done by the government to our white brethren in Africa is a betrayal and it needs to end. The government is selling us out. 35%

2) Africa is of no consequence to Mississippi. 3%

3) Why are they even there to begin with? Colonialism never ends positively. 7%

4) The Fabus Regime is doing a fine job and the situation will be resolved with fairness to all as the chief theme. 45%

5) We have colonies in Africa? 7% (Many in Mississippian rural regions have no real source of media)

6) Other/No opinion. 3%

This has been a great day. We hoped that they would grant some autonomy, not independance. We beleive this is a moment that may change the world. And it shows that CM has done it's absoulute best to stop war. We do not know whether Axis Nova has ceased knocking out satalites, but hopefully they will. This may lead to democracy, but it is unlikley.

Thankyou CM! It brings a tear to my eye!

The Kings Prime Minister, Sir Jon Davis - Clarke OJC

The world seemed quite shocked at the willingness of CM to leave Africa. But they had no idea what the real reasons were, aside from the public reason of maintaining peace and saving lives. Which was a major reason.


Secret IC : But there were other reasons too...The CM economy was teetering on the brink of major collapse. Due to massive deficit spending by the african Commonwealth governors on military supplies, ships, planes, troops, etc. The CM home office was having to bail them out by paying off their creditors.

Public IC: Czar Curtis Fabus announced a removal of the ban on the opposition party "Movement For Democracy", which has increased from 12 to 18 million in the last few months

(Ooc- He is attempting to give the public a visible enemy to unite against)

With a grumble of "about bloody time too!" Jones turned off the TV and composed the official statement.

"With the departure of Mississippi from Africa, the war, cold hot or middling, is over. We hope that nobody else will attempt to impose such a system on the Africans, but praise the government of Mississippi for their action."

"And of course, who knows? We might even get real freedom there one day", he said to himself.

Nasser Aref of Mississippian Egypt, has declared, "I am willing to agree to remain in the Commonwealth so long as there is a creation of a sort of dual-monarcy system. Possibly we would change the whole thing to the Communist Mississippi-Egypt Commonwealth. A sort of Austria-Hungary system. But I will also accept the assurances of CM that are sovereignty will be respected, and in exchange, the whites may stay here in peace and continue to elect their own members for the Senate which we will also elect members to. The Senate will then vote on what is to be done. But I believe whatever happens, the best thing is that Simon Rutledge, Alice Carrion, and myself, all have a role in the new government, whatever that government might be."

Aref is basically talking about a voluntary association between Egypt and CM that can be terminated at anytime, by either party. Sort of like Italy and Vatican City, they don't tell them what to do, but they basically are responsbile for them in all ways that matter.


The Constitution of Mississippian Egypt has been declared null and void as it was determined to be, "Unduly harsh to the non-white races."

Thus far 23 million of the 100 million whites have left Mississippian Egypt. Only 13 million have left ML thus far. But the ships will be making more trips and the planes will be inspected for safety and then sent to get more people.

Anybody wanting to leave is being taken.

Commonwealth and Arab legislators in Mississippian Egypt have agreed to a power-sharing plan for peace and prosperity of all the citizens concerned. A total of 29 million whites have left Mississippian Egypt thus far, leaving a total of 71 million whites and 30 million Arabs. The whites seem to have unofficially elected Simon Rutledge as their spokesman. He has declared that, “I will do my best to assure that the interests of my constituency are carried out.”

The whites in Libya are making no attempts to solve any problems; they are just leaving in droves. (ooc- there was a concerted campaign in Libya to massacre arabs, the whites killed over 4 million arabs. There was no such campaign by the whites in Egypt)

Whites in Libya are leaving at a rate of over 1 million per hour.


Czar Curtis Fabus has declared that Mississippian Egypt may decide for themselves what the best course of action is. He has suggested that Aref, Carrion, and Rutledge, figure out a solution to assure the continued peace and prosperity for their people.


It appears almost certain that Libya is going to become a totally independent nation, with few if any whites remaining. It seems that Egypt, where race relations were always exponentially better, the whites and arabs will work together under Mississippian supervision and guidance to help them build a better Egypt.

The arabs in the former Arabian Libya have begun to slowly move towards the former Mississippian Libya territory, declaring, "All whites must be out within 48 hours or else this will be an Angola!" Few are taking them seriously as over 4 million white soldiers are still in Libya, mostly along the coasts and in the cities, to assure that all those who want out, get out. It is estimated that fewer than 100,000 whites will stay behind in Libya. (Note, Mississippian Libya and Arabian Libya were reunited into just one Libya, and old pre-CM libyan law will come back as law within 72 hours)

Whites continue to leave at the rate of over 1 million per hour.


Rumors of massive racial conflicts in Western Sahara have been confirmed. CM Commonwealth and Federal forces in Western Sahara are making attempts to physically move all blacks to one corner of WS, and all arabs to an opposite corner.

International observers are being invited to Mississippian Egypt to observe an upcoming vote by arabs and whites to decide what will happen with the territory and what direction the government will take.

The main issue is:


"What should the relationship between CM and Egypt be?"

After that has been decided, the next vote will be, "Who should be he immediate leader of Egypt?"

We'd be more than happy to observe. We also applaud CM's steps toward gradual democracy.

ITD calls on all nations to stop all military actions against CM.

Sevaris has formally ceased hostilities.

CM colonists in Libya are continuing to leave and most have decided to move to Tennessee, Kentucky, Indiana, and various other territories.


Elections are scheduled to start soon in Egypt to decide her future.

CM government in Jackson City has expressed interest in keeping a close relation to Egypt regardless of what happens, but only if Egypt decides on the relation.

CM government has expressed no interests in having anything to do with Libya. (Ooc- Remember, that the extent of race relations in Libya was whites massacring arabs, so what sort of future relations could there be)

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Kuroi just growls. "WEAK!!"

"You show once again your weakness, ape. You have lost our respect."

-Administrator Kuroi
Director of Mekantan Operations on Terra

im still waiting for everyone to thank me for this

Will you be restoring stolen land from Native Americans any time soon?

The vote from Mississippian Egypt is starting.

Nobody is being permitted to take a firearm within 500 feet of anywhere voting is taking place. Police will have barricades established at this distance to assure nobody attempts to violate the order.

The number of people voting are as follows.


25 million whites are registered to vote out of 71 million whites in population (But obviously all cannot be adults)
13 million arabs are registered to vote out of 30 million arabs in population (But obviously all cannot be adults)


Pre-voting surveys reveal 92% of whites and 74% of arabs favor a continued close relation to Mississippi. They differ in opinion when asked about what sort of goverment Mississippian Egypt should have. All agree that elections seem an appropriate way to decide. The colonial senate will be increased in size to 100 white senators and 100 arab senators, the head of state will be allowed to cast tie-breaking votes.

But it remains unclear who the head of state will be.

Most of the whites seem willing to accept either Simon Rutledge (The Mississippian born hardline right-winger), or Alice Carrion (The Seryown born liberal/moderate). Most of the arabs seem willing to accept either Nasser Aref or Alice Carrion.

Will you be restoring stolen land from Native Americans any time soon?


Ooc

Good lord will you stop this crap!


I always said, "If I ever leave Africa, you'll try to push me out of Mississippi next." You're trying to prove me right?

I think this could qualify as off-topic, and you need to leave this thread.


Ic: Besides, the 1.5 million Indians in Mississippi are happy with the 5 massive reservations they have, and the relation with the CM government and the "Native Indians" as the government classifies them, have never been better.

The governor-general of Mississippian Libya, Juan Carlos de Rivera, walked out in front the governor's mansion... The Commonwealth honor guard played taps as the flag was lowered... There were over 30 million whites crowded into Tripoli, awaiting to leave. There wasn't a dry eye in the crowd as the heard the honor guard play taps as it was amplified over speakers. They could all see the flag lowered, it was on a pole over 500 feet tall and the flag was fluttering in the wind.. The colors of Mississippi were being lowered, the 60x120 flag was being slowly lowered. Thus far over 55 million whites had left Libya, and more were continuing to leave every hour.

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OOC: Perhaps ceding Egypt to Parthia would work better?

OOC: Perhaps ceding Egypt to Parthia would work better?


Ooc: It's likely Egypt will stay connected with CM on some level, but will break-down segregation and admit the arabs into the cities, etc. In Egypt, the whites and arabs always got along relatively well. Because the managers of farms and mines gave good wages to their arab workers, etc. Libya is for sure going to be totally free of any connections to CM because the race relations there were basically whites massacring arabs at will, hardly the stuff future cooperation is built on.

Bonstock is absolutly amazed by this withdrawl. We certainly did not expect it. The Foreign Affairs Department seeks to reestablish diplomatic relations with Communist Mississippi.

The USSCR suggests that a neutral country, one that holds the best interests of Libya and Egypt, and has had no military standoffs with Communist Mississippi or her allies be brought in to supervise the reconstruction and provide security during the reconstruction..

I nominate myself. I've had no conflict with CM away from monetary means, and my military would very easily maintain peace.

The police guarding the elections had little trouble, aside from a few dozen drunks that were trying to start fights outside a few of the polling places... The elections had been going smoothly. Approximately 81% of votes were in, and 78% of them had voted for "Dual status with Mississippi" (Mississippi offered to make Egypt and equal player in Commonwealth Affairs if the Egyptians could get a total population of 150 million or more, currently they have about 100 million. But they can attract white immigrants from the former Mississippian Libya and arab immigrants from the middle east)

79% of votes for the leadership are in as well.

65% of votes counted are for Alice Carrion (Seryown born morderate)

22% of votes counted, are for Simon Rutledge.

13% of votes counted are for Nasser Aref.


Under Commonwealth law, the president must be approved by a 51% majority in the Senate, and must then declare a vice president. It is quite likely that since Alice Carrion finds Simo Rutledge to be arrogant and repulsive, she will select Nasser Aref.

This will result in a white president and an arab vice-president.

The USSCR suggests that a neutral country, one that holds the best interests of Libya and Egypt, and has had no military standoffs with Communist Mississippi or her allies be brought in to supervise the reconstruction and provide security during the reconstruction..

I nominate myself. I've had no conflict with CM away from monetary means, and my military would very easily maintain peace.


You are unacceptable, you will have no role in Libya.


There is no need for reconstruction, we are leave Libya in pristine condition with over 3 trillion dollars of infrastructure.

The last whites have started to leave Libya... The Egyptian government, which has declared that enough votes are in to declare victory for Alice Carrion, has invited "Any and all Libyans, white or arab", to move to Egypt.

In other words he's pulling his same old tricks again. Tsk. Thanks for helping me probe you out.

In other words he's pulling his same old tricks again. Tsk. Thanks for helping me probe you out.


You are not an unbiased nation, you are the sort that would establish yourself in Libya and never leave.

Besides, Angola was taken by Seryown the minute we left... We will not see the same repeated in Libya...


We will defend Libya should the arab government need help.



The people of Egypt, white and arab, have spoken, and they spoke to maintain a degree of ties to CM.

CM government officials in Western Sahara are suggesting that the 500,000 blacks living there, all of whom are refugees who fled the months of war in Angola, gradually be moved back to Angola as the country now seems stable and peaceful enough to allow them to safely assimilate back into Angolan society. (Angola is ruled by Seryown now)


We are asking that Seryown consider allowing any blacks from WS that want to, to be able to return to Angola. We will pay the expenses associated.

CM, I would be willing to accept these terms as this is what we wanted to see in the 1st place, you out of the illegal land grabs in Africa

Whittier supports the CM withdrawal from north africa.

Communist Louisiana supports CM's claims that CR should not have a role in North Africa because we know that CR will nothing but declair the land for himself. We will do anything to make sure he does not have a role in North Africa.

You're known to have bias man, so I don't think that's a good idea.

Perhaps a nation such as...um...someone. Perhaps a multi-national group.

Wait a moment...just how many federal forces will there be in Egypt?

The last of the whites had been out of Libya for a while... Most had returned to Mississippi, many had moved to Egypt, where the new government had pledged to maintain strong ties with Mississippi and to guarantee the rights of all citizens. The president of Mississippian Egypt was Alice Carrion, who had won a majority of votes from whites and arabs, the vice president was a mayor of an old "Arab Township" that had been established by Donald Stahlecker prior to his being sacked as governor-general and replaced by Alice Carrion. Nasser Aref was the vice president.



The official long title of CM was now "The Commonwealth of Communist Mississippi-Egypt" (A sort of Austria-Hungary style gov't)

Egypt is still allied to CM and maintains a mutual military alliance, trade alliance, intelligence alliance. Little has changed in the relationship, except ME may now pursue treaties, their senate and elections are totally free and independent of CM influence, etc.


Forces in Western Sahara were finding it hard to contain the arab and black gangs that sought to attack each other... They only had lethal weapons, police had no tear gas or anything of the sort. And they didn't want to resort to mowing down crowds, while that would end the fighting, they didn't want to do it.


Public announcement: "The Governor-General Henry Stahlecker of Western Sahara hereby requests that tear gas and other crowd control non-lethal weaponry be sent to Western Sahara immediately. We thank you." Office of Commonwealth Affairs, Western Sahara.


Ooc-
Mississippian Libya = United back with Arabian Libya to go back to just "Libya" and they are free of CM influence and rule, and Libya couldn't be happier. (They hated CM)

Mississippian Egypt= Voted to maintain ties to CM and basically the relationship status is the same. But Egypt has been elevated to basically equal with Mississippi. And the old colonial constitution was declared "null and void" after it was deemed unduly oppressive to natives.


Western Sahara= Basket case, likely to become a race war between blacks and arabs if CM left. But race relations between whites and non-whites were always decent. Once black and arab tensions relax, a voter referendum will decide what to do. We'd expect most blacks to vote for CM, because we did save them from Angolan marxists. The arabs could vote either way, they're a sort of "swing vote".

Wait a moment...just how many federal forces will there be in Egypt?


Egyptian people (arab and white) voted overwhelmingly to maintain commonwealth status with the new offer Mississippi extended. They have been raised to equal partner in the Commonwealth. The new name is now "The Federated Commonwealth of Mississippi-Egypt", it's like the dual monarchy of Austria-Hungary. (race relations in ME were very good)


In Libya there was no vote, the whites knew they'd best get a moving and leave before the army left and they were at the mercy of the arab militias crossing in from AL. (Race relations in ML were very poor)

You said elsewhere that Federal forces would be maintained in Egypt. What will be the strength of these forces? Or has this been cancelled?

You said elsewhere that Federal forces would be maintained in Egypt. What will be the strength of these forces? Or has this been cancelled?


Federal Forces will remain in Egypt at their previous strength. Commonwealth forces in Egypt will remain at similar strength (But they will likely increase somewhat as arabs are now finally allowed to join)

The elections were held under international observation and police from the commonwealth kept all armed people away from the polls. It was all fair and a-okay.

And just what were those force strengths?

The Libyan Government has, in light of the maintenance of relations with CM and the continual presence of forces from CM in Egypt, requested that we remain in Libya.

And just what were those force strengths?

The Libyan Government has, in light of the maintenance of relations with CM and the continual presence of forces from CM in Egypt, requested that we remain in Libya.


Ah ha! So you show your true motives! Taking Libya to use as a base to attack Egypt (a nation now equally representative of all peoples!)

Aha, so do you, shortening the front so you can attack from Egypt more readily. Now I ask again. What are the force strengths?

And just what were those force strengths?

The Libyan Government has, in light of the maintenance of relations with CM and the continual presence of forces from CM in Egypt, requested that we remain in Libya.


I think anybody who knows the RP history beyond the Egyptian President Ms. Carion, will realize she isn't going to allowed Mississippian Egyptian Commonwealth forces to attack Libya.

And Communist Mississippi-Egypt Federal Forces won't do any such thing either.

Force. Strengths.

Aha, so do you, shortening the front so you can attack from Egypt more readily. Now I ask again. What are the force strengths?


Note: Many of the whites from Libya moved to Egypt after the White president (Alice Carrion) and Arab vice-president (Nasser Aref) assured them it would be safe. Many whites who had previously left Egypt, returned after given assurances of safety. So now the Commonwealth army of Egypt basically absorbed all the soldiers from Libya into their army (much as South Africa enticed ex-Rhodesians to join their army)

Also note, all equipment, weapons, planes, ships, etc, were turned over from the Commonwealth Mississippian Libyan Army, to the Federal forces in ML and ME. Once ML united with AL and reverted back to arab control (just Libya now) the equipment was all moved to Egypt where it was believed that the elections would be favorable for CM and ME to remain closely tied and so the equipment was then handed over to the forces there.

Egyptian Garrison:
CM Armed Forces:
2 Rapid Response Airmobile Division
12 Regular Army Infantry Divisions
4 Parachute Divisions
1 Mechanized BMP Division
1 Mechanized Warrior Division
1 Regular Army Armored Division
80 Reserve Divisions

Temporary garrison numbers:
9 Rapid Response Airmobile Division
54 Infantry Divisions
13 Parachute Division
20 Reserve Divisions
10 Regular Army Armored Divisions
4 Republican Guard Mechanized Divisions
2 Republican Guard Armored Divisions

Note the white citizens in Egypt (190 million white citizens) have formed an army to help CM defend Egypt. Note arabs are now being allowed into these units, and will soon be trained and in the ranks.

“Commonwealth Mississippian Egyptian Army”
45 Commonwealth Infantry Divisions
15 Commonwealth Armored Division
16 Commonwealth Mechanized Division
10 Commonwealth Marine Divisions
8 Commonwealth Cavalry Brigades
10 Commonwealth Parachute Divisions
3 Commonwealth Special Forces Division
145 Commonwealth Reserve Divisions
3,000 F-16Ds
900 Su-25s
900 MiG-31s
150 MiG-41s
300 F-35s
150 B-52s

“Commonwealth Mississippian Egyptian Navy”
5 Fabus Class Super Carrier (Nimitz just renamed) (50 F-14Ds. 15 F/A 18 Hornets. 20 Rafale M)
9 Arizona BBG Battleships
14 Nathan Bedford Forrest Class Pocket-Battleships (NBF-04)
9 Baron Class Battleship (Iowa Class just renamed)
22 Hitler Class Destroyers (Arleigh Burke just renamed)
22 Stalin Class Frigates (Oliver Hazard Perry just renamed)
50 Kluxer Klass Kruisers (3K-04)
22 Kirov CGN
12 Farragut DDG (stealth)
60 Supply Ships
9 Los Angeles class attack submarines
9 Galaxy class attack submarines
9 Virginia class attack submarines
6 Ohio Class SSBN

And THAT is meant to be a defence force. Ten percent of that would be a defence force. The Libyans meanwhile are not at all happy that such forces are so close to their border, and we are now wondering exactly what to do.

Aha, so do you, shortening the front so you can attack from Egypt more readily. Now I ask again. What are the force strengths?



If we had hostile intentions, we'd be quite foolish to allow free racially open elections in ME, and allow a white female moderate-liberal to win president, and an arab to win vice-president. We'd also be quite foolish to allow arabs into the army. This should confirm our intentions are no aggressive. If anything, allowing the arabs in AL to reunite with ML, should prove that also.

And THAT is meant to be a defence force. Ten percent of that would be a defence force. The Libyans meanwhile are not at all happy that such forces are so close to their border, and we are now wondering exactly what to do.

There are not massed forces on the border. Most of these units are along the coast and in the cities.


Ic: Excuse me, but egypt was nearly invaded today... The citizens are very nervous and on edge, with right to be so. Libya was given back to arabs, they have no reason to be nervous or paranoid.

What is your reason for maintaining such force in the area, when nobody else is doing so?

And THAT is meant to be a defence force. Ten percent of that would be a defence force. The Libyans meanwhile are not at all happy that such forces are so close to their border, and we are now wondering exactly what to do.

Ooc:
You think a nation of 190,000,000 whites and 30,000,000 arabs can be defended by less than 500,000 soldiers? A nation of 220 million men, women, and children defended by less than 500,000? My word!

And THAT is meant to be a defence force. Ten percent of that would be a defence force. The Libyans meanwhile are not at all happy that such forces are so close to their border, and we are now wondering exactly what to do.

When a country goes from high alert during a war to a low alert right after said war, and it is flooded with the military from another country previously at war, such numbers should be expected.

What is your reason for maintaining such force in the area, when nobody else is doing so?


We were almost invaded, the people demand a large force to protect them. Also the egyptian arabs are distrustful of foreign nations, they fear that nations on anti-arab crusades might attack them. The whites fear that nations on anti-white massacre missions might attack them to attempt to impose the New World Order.


The middle east is a volatile region.

Indeed it is. And the Libyans were invaded by you, and thus trust you not at all, and are therefore requesting us to provide defence forces until your units are at 20% of their current strength. Mutual build-down would be advisable.

Indeed it is. And the Libyans were invaded by you, and thus trust you not at all, and are therefore requesting us to provide defence forces until your units are at 20% of their current strength. Mutual build-down would be advisable.


Only by the grace of God did Libya not turn into another Angola. I don't think the people in ME would approve of such a build-down. The Commonwealth Army is one of the largest employers in ME, and as such the arabs and whites are dependent on the Commonwealth Army. 5% is the typical number most have in the armed forces, Egypt has about 3%, which is fine enough I should think.

DPUO, you're getting quite ridiculous. CM has been giving concession after concession to those that oppose him, and has only proven that appeasement doesn't work. Are you challenging the right of Egypt, as a autonomous nation, to maintain an army of whatever size it determines is conducive to protecting their country. If you honestly want to continue pushing changes onto CM as you have been, you are no better than the very imperialist scum you accuse CM of being.

If you will not build down, then you cannot criticise us for merely acceding to Libyan demands that they be defended from any aggression by their erstwhile overlords.

And IE, I can't fathom why he needs a military that size in the area. I am not going to get caught and let Libya be invaded by him. I don't trust him in the slightest. And while I am happy to pursue peaceful ends to this whol tangled mess, I will not see Libya fall under his sway.

Nonetheless, we will continue to pull out of Libya, since it is clear that the delusions of the world cannot be punctured easily.

Foreign Minister Paul Stahlecker has been instructed to meet a diplomat from Libya, in a neutral city (Paris was suggested) to sign a permanent non-aggression pact between The Federation of Mississippi-Egypt and Libya.

You may not be able to understand why sucha military is maintained, but you also seem to not have been almost invaded recently, and you don't have to live under the fear of another Angola happening in your country. I watched what happened in Angola, countless civilians were slaughtered for not reason, civilians of every race and political thought. If the citizens of ME wish to be overprotected from the world then it is their right. You do not know that they plan to invade Libya, you can never prove it. Only such an invasion actually happening would prove it, and CM nor ME is foolish enough to test those that would oppose them should they try such an invasion.

Very well. The Libyans request that any racist sentimens on Mr. Stahlecker's part be kept to a minimum.

OOC: You want to do this here or over MSN or what?

We have decided that it would be better if CM left Africa all together, that means leaving Egypt. We don't want your nation so close to IDF. Being that close to us is a danger to both of us because a war becomes very likely

We have decided that it would be better if CM left Africa all together, that means leaving Egypt. We don't want your nation so close to IDF. Being that close to us is a danger to both of us because a war becomes very likely
OOC: But aren't the WKM just so sweet and lovable?

We have decided that it would be better if CM left Africa all together, that means leaving Egypt. We don't want your nation so close to IDF. Being that close to us is a danger to both of us because a war becomes very likely


We have decided that since Egyptians of all races voted for us to stay, we are going to respect their wishes and do so. If you are eager to get into a war, then do so. But we will start no war.

OOC: I'm tired of trying to make you idiots see, so sod it. I'll bow to popular opinion. Who knows, you might even be right.

IC: All forces withdrawing from Libya. Economic aid only where necessary. Libyan Government advised that any CM movement across the border merits aid from us.

CM is beginning to make payments that will ultimately total 100 billion dollars over a several year period to Libya. CM is not commenting why these payments are being made and CM vehemently denies accusations that the colonial goverment and the white colonists of Libya were engaged in massacres against arabs.

We welcome these developments wholeheartedly. The blockade of the Red Sea has been lifted, and we propose peace with Communist Mississippi.

We welcome these developments wholeheartedly. The blockade of the Red Sea has been lifted, and we propose peace with Communist Mississippi.


We agree, peace is desirable.

We agree, peace is desirable.

Good. Our military is returning to normal alert status.

(Wow, a war without a shot fired :p)

And now, CM, all her allies, and former attackers, stand united in their view that the decolonisation was a very good thing. And maybe they're allies now as well. I know I am:D

Yes, it is a good thing, what of it has been done.

OOC Note: I'll be RPing Libya from now on unless someone else has claimed it.

Yes, it is a good thing, what of it has been done.

OOC Note: I'll be RPing Libya from now on unless someone else has claimed it.

ooc: I have no problem with that, but please consult other nations (NATO?) before making rash decisions with the land. No over militarization. And don't claim it as a puppet.

OOC: No intent of doing either. Although I think over-militarisation is a moot point, when CM places four hundred and sixty five divisions in Egypt.

Yes, it is a good thing, what of it has been done.

OOC Note: I'll be RPing Libya from now on unless someone else has claimed it.



OOC: Somebody else is claiming it, they're going to send forces in to safeguard Libya... We'll have to wait a while and see what happens with that.

And just who would this someone be? Since I am obliged to defend the Libyans and don't trust most people.



Not sure yet, but rest assured it won't just be some CM ally (it's not going to be Parthia or any other league member)

But it will be somebody who CM deems to have the best interests of all parties concerned at heart.


We may have not been on good terms with the Libyans, but if Libya prospers, Fabus Standard Oil might be able to operate in Libya with gov't permission. (And we like oil)

The Ottoman Goverment declares a protectorate over Libya.The 24th Marine Corp(200,000 men) is on its way to set up the protectorate.

The Ottoman Goverment declares a protectorate over Libya.The 24th Marine Corp(200,000 men) is on its way to set up the protectorate.

Ooc:
I will declare this an invasion and move to stop it. You are not fit to be in Libya, we will not have Egypt, a free and open society, boxed in on both sides by your colonies.

Ic: "You are not deemed appropriate to enter Libya, and we will oppose this blatant invasion. We demand you stand down immediately."

For once, we support CM. Libya's independence must and will be respected.

For once, we support CM. Libya's independence must and will be respected.
whos says I am taking over Libya,they will run their own affairs.I am just their to protect them from any for them outside forces.I will no said over their goverment.
OOC:could someone RP Libyans.

The Libyans have informed us that they have no problems with Ottoman Khaif, especially following the latter's break with Communist Mississippi. They are also considering the question of who should benefit from the nation's oil.

The also state that ANY move by CM troops into their country will be met by protest to any and all nations willing to listen and if possible armed resistance.

Although we are somewhat dubious over Ottoman Khaif's involvement in Libya, we have been assured by their Government that no hostile action is expected or necessary.

Therefore we shall not in any way interfere with the current affairs, and encourage other nations not to do so either.

We remind the Ottomans that any hostile actions against the Libyan Government or its' people will be met with all the force we can muster.

***************************************

Libyan Government statement

We are overjoyed that our arab brothers of Ottoman Khaif will be aiding us and protecting us, rather than another foreign nation, for whom we now have little trust.

Protectorates often evolve into colonies. We all agreed that Libya was to remain free of foriegn troops, If I remember correctly. I shall respect that.

Sev check TG

The Libyans have informed us that they have no problems with Ottoman Khaif, especially following the latter's break with Communist Mississippi. They are also considering the question of who should benefit from the nation's oil.

The also state that ANY move by CM troops into their country will be met by protest to any and all nations willing to listen and if possible armed resistance.

Although we are somewhat dubious over Ottoman Khaif's involvement in Libya, we have been assured by their Government that no hostile action is expected or necessary.

Therefore we shall not in any way interfere with the current affairs, and encourage other nations not to do so either.

We reming the Ottomans that any hostile actions against the Libyan Government or its' people will be met with all the force we can muster.
OOC:I am the Thrid Party
The Ottoman Goverment will offer training for Libyan army.

OOC:could someone RP Libyans.


Ooc: No, but I could RP 465 angry Divisions in Egypt not willing to see Libya taken over.


IC: "CM will not station troops in Libya, but CM will sign a treaty of defense with Libya. Should Libya ever request it, CM troops will defend her. For now, CM will provide Libya with money, arms, and training. Their soldiers will go to Egypt and Western Sahara to be trained by CM advisors."

IC: We are sending the following for the new "Libyan National Defense Army" (That is what they're calling it)

500: MiG-29s
300: Su-25s
800: Mi-24s
1,000: T-90s
3,000: BMP-3s
500: G-6 155mm SPA
1,500: G-5 155mm Towed
8,000: URAL trucks.
50,000: M-14B rifles.


We will be training their pilots in Mississippi and Tennessee.


"We are extending to Libya the hand of friendship. We hope the bridge the divide created by past wrongs and injustices and to have a degree of friendship and trade with Libya." Paul Stahlecker.

The Libyans have informed us that they have no problems with Ottoman Khaif, especially following the latter's break with Communist Mississippi. They are also considering the question of who should benefit from the nation's oil.



That's odd, the Libyans are telling my Foreign Ministry, that they don't want Ottoman Khaif there.

Perhaps a vote should be held on whether or not to allow OK troops in Libya?

Ah, but I as I stated am being Libya until further orders from someone who isn't you. I have received no such orders.

IC: Libya has no quarrel with the fellow Muslims of Ottoman Khaif, and respectfully wishes that CM would stay out of Libyan affairs.

OK, sounds good Sevaris.

ooc:Have someone who is not in the "cold war",rp Libya.

Perhaps a vote should be held on whether or not to allow OK troops in Libya?


Who will oversee this vote? Why not have the Libyan government decide?

I suggest Libya be ruled by a relative of Muammar al- Kaddafi (Muammar died during the Libyan war, so perhaps he has a son?)

Well if that doesn't work, perhaps elections.

CM will help the Libyans conduct proper elections. We feel a close tie to Libya because of our past relationship with them. We will send observation teams to make sure elections are free and open.

OOC: Since Libya used to be a CM colony, I think it is only fair CM get to RP what has happened since CM has left.

I only suggested a vote, because, then, it would be a true mandate from the people that all nations could respect.

We all know exactly what will happen if you RP it. I may have engaged in Cold War with you - one started by you I hasten to add - but I have RPed Arab nations before and have a fairly astute idea of what their people would react like, I think.

IC: The Libyan Government and people will absolutely NOT permit anyone from CM to enter Libya. We know all too well what your method of observation usually entails. CM is requested to please stay out of Libyan affairs until called to enter them.

IC: CM is suggesting Egyptian Arabs from Mississippian Egypt enter Libya to help their arab muslim brethren. They will oversee the election and will also help train the national police and reserve army units.

While we are happy that you would choose to let arabs to the job rather than whites, we do not need this referendum overseeing. Nor do we require such training from you, though the offer is appreciated.

Now, for the third time: we have no issue with Ottoman Khaif, and trust them more than we trust Sevaris, DPUO, Communist Mississippi or anyone else in the area. We are happy to allow the Ottomans, our brothers after all, into Libya to protect us from any aggression by anyone.

The New Dominion sees this as a violation of the initial agreement. So far, the only African country you seem to have truly let go of is the Western Sahara and that is in shambles. While we do not have a true say in this conflict as we were not involved with the initial conflict or diplomatic machinations that formed the agreement, we are giving our word out still to Communist Mississippi, and we sincerely hope he will retract his troops from Libya. The New Dominion also seeks another, neutral country to oversee the reconstruction of Libya. Neither of the extreme sides should be allowed to govern the conflict and the Dominus suggests a moderate course of action.

The New Dominion sees this as a violation of the initial agreement. So far, the only African country you seem to have truly let go of is the Western Sahara and that is in shambles. While we do not have a true say in this conflict as we were not involved with the initial conflict or diplomatic machinations that formed the agreement, we are giving our word out still to Communist Mississippi, and we sincerely hope he will retract his troops from Libya. The New Dominion also seeks another, neutral country to oversee the reconstruction of Libya. Neither of the extreme sides should be allowed to govern the conflict and the Dominus suggests a moderate course of action.

OOC:
I have no troops in Libya. Libya is free and independent.


We still hold Western Sahara and Mississippian Egypt.


You are very confused!


We let Angola go a while ago, it is a wreck.

The New Dominion sees this as a violation of the initial agreement. So far, the only African country you seem to have truly let go of is the Western Sahara and that is in shambles. While we do not have a true say in this conflict as we were not involved with the initial conflict or diplomatic machinations that formed the agreement, we are giving our word out still to Communist Mississippi, and we sincerely hope he will retract his troops from Libya. The New Dominion also seeks another, neutral country to oversee the reconstruction of Libya. Neither of the extreme sides should be allowed to govern the conflict and the Dominus suggests a moderate course of action.
OOC:could you RP libya?

Hadlua, could you TG your MSN?

OOC: We do not find Ottoman Khaif an acceptable choice.


IC: I suggest that until we can decide on a permanent solution, or a semi-permanent solution. That we send the following.

DPUO: 3,000 Military Police
CM: 1,500 Egyptian White Military Police and 1,500 Egyptian Arab Military Police
OK: 3,000 Military Police
Hadula: 3,000 Military Police
Sevaris: 3,000 Military Police.

OOC: We do not find Ottoman Khaif an acceptable choice.


IC: I suggest that until we can decide on a permanent solution, or a semi-permanent solution. That we send the following.

DPUO: 3,000 Military Police
CM: 1,500 Egyptian White Military Police and 1,500 Egyptian Arab Military Police
OK: 3,000 Military Police
Hadula: 3,000 Military Police
Sevaris: 3,000 Military Police.

Makes sense to me.

[QUOTE=Communist Mississippi]

CM: 1,500 Egyptian White Military Police and 1,500 Egyptian Arab Military Police
QUOTE]
better make just Arab Police

OOC: Why not? He's part Arab and a Muslim, far better-qualified to speak on such matters than either of us.

IC: Libya will not accept any of those troops on our soil, apart from those of Ottoman Khaif, who we have repeatedly stated we have no issue with, and indeed are happy to have protecting our nation.

Referanda will be considered if there is a lack of popular support.

Hadlua, could you TG your MSN?
OOC: Give me a minute.
OOC:could you RP libya?
OOC: If it is fine with CM.

OOC: Give me a minute.

OOC: If it is fine with CM.

Ooc:

As the last owner of Libya, I feel it is my "responsibility" as an RPer, to handle what happens to them since we left.

I also feel it's my right to decide to a degree what happens to land I just left.


IC: "We have spoken with Libyan officials and they confirm what we've suspected. DPUO does not speak for Libya. Also the Libyans, ardent muslims, and devout people, do not want liberal muslim Turks in their nations. They'd rather have Egyptian fellow devout brethren in their nation. We are willing to allow one Egyptian Arab Division of Military Police to help train the Libyan army. We feel that Egyptian Arabs are an appropriate choice to send to Libya. We await Libyan reply." Nasser Aref, vice-president of Mississippian Egypt.

OOC: Im willing to RP Libya

OOC: Im willing to RP Libya



Am I not being loud and clear enough!


Libya used to be mine! So I RP it.

Me, Myself, I!

I'm not going to do some lame "Come back and rule us CM!"

Libyan people are hostile to CM whites, but the Libyan gov't realizes it needs CM help to move ahead into the future.

Ooc:

As the last owner of Libya, I feel it is my "responsibility" as an RPer, to handle what happens to them since we left.

I also feel it's my right to decide to a degree what happens to land I just left.


IC: "We have spoken with Libyan officials and they confirm what we've suspected. DPUO does not speak for Libya. Also the Libyans, ardent muslims, and devout people, do not want liberal muslim Turks in their nations. They'd rather have Egyptian fellow devout brethren in their nation. We are willing to allow one Egyptian Arab Division of Military Police to help train the Libyan army. We feel that Egyptian Arabs are an appropriate choice to send to Libya. We await Libyan reply." Nasser Aref, vice-president of Mississippian Egypt.
who said I am just senting Turks.I can sent Arabs.Ottoman Khaif is not liberal!

Ooc:

As the last owner of Libya, I feel it is my "responsibility" as an RPer, to handle what happens to them since we left.

I also feel it's my right to decide to a degree what happens to land I just left.


IC: "We have spoken with Libyan officials and they confirm what we've suspected. DPUO does not speak for Libya. Also the Libyans, ardent muslims, and devout people, do not want liberal muslim Turks in their nations. They'd rather have Egyptian fellow devout brethren in their nation. We are willing to allow one Egyptian Arab Division of Military Police to help train the Libyan army. We feel that Egyptian Arabs are an appropriate choice to send to Libya. We await Libyan reply." Nasser Aref, vice-president of Mississippian Egypt.
OOC: Both Turks and Libyans are Sunni majorities, they would have much in common. And Ottoman Khaif is not lbieral by any stretch of the imagination as far as I have seen.

Dominus Pele Kawau is remaining an observer, and has no comment. However, he has agreed to send 2,500 LJFA officers, specializing in media (propoganda) and humanitarian aid (coercion). They will help the elections run along smoothly.

OOC: With subtle propoganda by the LJFA, I would ask to roleplay something of an oppostion party that is influenced by Hadula's LJFA called the Liberation Party, and is similar to Hadula's Native Party (currently in control.)

OOC: CM, I _AM_ Libya for RP purposes. And another thing: All you're trying to do is retake Libya. It is not your right to decide what happens, because it is no longer your land and in any case, you would just have it come out favourably to you. Which I won't. I wanted to stay, but figured that Libyans wouldn't want foreign troops on their soil from another religion, culture and race, and left. Now either you can quit bellyaching until a person who really knows the Libyans can be found, regardless of whether you like them or not, or you can just quit your bellyaching full stop.

IC: Libya again emphasises that NO man woman or child regardless of race from the CM vassal state of Egypt (OOC: Given that they're such devour Muslims they're hardly going to be happy that Egypt has welcomed you back in, are they?) is welcome in Libya, nor are any other third parties. Though we may not be entirely at one with the Turkish people, they are far closer to us than any of you or your white nations. And DPUO never spoke for us. They were asked to leave, and did so, though not without objections.

We point out that when we last asked you to leave, you did not.

Turkish troops are welcome in Libya, because they are our closest brothers willing to assist, now that you have decided to keep Egypt.

We are also willing to allow Hadulans to enter our land to oversee voting processes, but insist that you be most careful and respectful to our browbeaten people.

OOC: CM, I _AM_ Libya for RP purposes. And another thing: All you're trying to do is retake Libya. It is not your right to decide what happens, because it is no longer your land and in any case, you would just have it come out favourably to you. Which I won't. I wanted to stay, but figured that Libyans wouldn't want foreign troops on their soil from another religion, culture and race, and left. Now either you can quit bellyaching until a person who really knows the Libyans can be found, regardless of whether you like them or not, or you can just quit your bellyaching full stop.

IC: Libya again emphasises that NO man woman or child regardless of race from the CM vassal state of Egypt (OOC: Given that they're such devour Muslims they're hardly going to be happy that Egypt has welcomed you back in, are they?) is welcome in Libya, nor are any other third parties. Though we may not be entirely at one with the Turkish people, they are far closer to us than any of you or your white nations. And DPUO never spoke for us. They were asked to leave, and did so, though not without objections.

We point out that when we last asked you to leave, you did not.

Turkish troops are welcome in Libya, because they are our closest brothers willing to assist, now that you have decided to keep Egypt.


OOC: Hadula will RP Libya because he is not you!


OOC: We didn't decide to keep Egypt, Egypt decided to keep themselves tied to us.

OOC: If I wanted Libya, I'd never have left.

IC: "CM believes that Libyan officials are being coerced into accepting such awful solutions. CM believes it to be in the best interests of Libya if Hadula were to send in military police."

You couldn't keep Libya, and you know it, unless you fancied world war and the collapse of your little regime. And yes, Hadula will. He will doubtless be more objective than I. But at least he won't give the result you would: "LIBYANS VOTE TO LET CM IN IN NUMBERS! LIBYANS LOVE MISSISSIPPI!" or words to that effect.

You couldn't keep Libya, and you know it, unless you fancied world war and the collapse of your little regime. And yes, Hadula will. He will doubtless be more objective than I. But at least he won't give the result you would: "LIBYANS VOTE TO LET CM IN IN NUMBERS! LIBYANS LOVE MISSISSIPPI!" or words to that effect.


I deem Hadula acceptable.

Do you?

Of course. He's objective.

Of course. He's objective.

Then Hadula it is.

OOC: I have been asked to play Libya by CM, and I will remain mostly neutral. There are two sides to the argument, as the Loyalist and Liberation parties are the main factors.

An announcement was made in Libya today that there was two political parties being formed over the argument over their nation, the aptly named Loyalist and Liberation parties. Official statements of the party's platforms were released today:

"Without the help of Fabus and his men, Libya would have been devoured by the Middle Eastern conflicts that plague the Muslim world. With his cooperation, we can rebuild Libya, and become a happy nation with peaceful relations with this wondrous state."
_ Jack Roeper, Loyalist Leader, rumored member of the WKL (White Knights of Libya)

"Praise Allah, the white opressors are gone from our country. Now is the chance to take what is give to us by God, Allah, and create a true self-sufficient state free of international entanglements. The fascist Mississippians will have no part in my homeland again, we have fought hard to regain our homeland, and we will not give it up again!"
_ Ussay Al-Khadim, Liberation activist, radical Muslim

"Without the help of Fabus and his men, Libya would have been devoured by the Middle Eastern conflicts that plague the Muslim world. With his cooperation, we can rebuild Libya, and become a happy nation with peaceful relations with this wondrous state."
_ Jack Roeper, Loyalist Leader, rumored member of the WKL (White Knights of Libya)



Ooc: It is true, there are about 250,000 whites left in Libya. Approximately 99.75 million left though. The government realized they needed to entice white commercial farmers, engineers, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals to stay in Libya... Most of the farmers left (There were 3 million commercial farms) but about 30,000 stayed. Most of the whites in Libya are commercial farmers. Approximately 150,000 whites in Libya live on commercial farms.

Ooc: It is true, there are about 250,000 whites left in Libya. Approximately 99.75 million left though. The government realized they needed to entice white commercial farmers, engineers, doctors, lawyers, and other professionals to stay in Libya... Most of the farmers left (There were 3 million commercial farms) but about 30,000 stayed. Most of the whites in Libya are commercial farmers. Approximately 150,000 whites in Libya live on commercial farms.
OOC; This is why that loyalist feelings can overcome Muslim nationalism. There is a large force of white colonists remaining and enough Muslims that want financial support and international standing to challenge most of the nationalists.

OOC; This is why that loyalist feelings can overcome Muslim nationalism. There is a large force of white colonists remaining and enough Muslims that want financial support and international standing to challenge most of the nationalists.


Remember, there are 16 million arabs in Libya.

Remember, there are 16 million arabs in Libya.
OOC: Yes, and a good amount know that CM is interested in Libyan oil. And they are in turn are interested in CM money.

IC: Approximately two million whites who have family members in Libya, are requesting they be allowed to move back to Libya and return to their homes and farms (many of them are farmers) Their homes and farms were abandoned when they left.

Ooc: Well Hadula... What say you?

"Absolutely, they have every right to see their families. For one, my brother, Harold, left the country because of the impending war and went to serve at the Federal Army's training camps. He should be allowed back without no trouble."
_ Joe Greene, commercial farmer, Loyalist

"Absolutely, not. They left the country with their tails between their legs, let them be kept in pens like the dogs they are."
_ Omar Hassan, Sunni cleric, Liberator

"Calm yourselves now. There is a simple way to solve this without much problem. We can treat the whites that left Libya who wish to return as immigrants. They must go through naturalization and we can only accept a certain amount a year. This way, the balance of power does not tip and tempers keep cool. We must go through this with a level head, this is not time for grudges."
_ Gerald Kumar, doctor, member of the little known Liberal Party

An assembly of the Libyan people has been called, and they are debating intensely over this subject. A conclusion has not been made, but you will be updated as the situation unfolds.

Since over 60 million of the 100 million whites that used to live in Libya spoke English and German, German was the second official language of Libya. And most of the whites that stayed are of German, French, or Italian ancestry.

Approximately 4,000 white males are attempting to unite all white movements into the "Weiße Widerstand bewegung" (White Resistance Movement)

There are approximately 72,000 white men and women between 18-65 in the White Knights of Libya. (A mostly political movement)

There are 5,000 white men between 18-30 in the "Il Davanti nazionale per Libia" (National Front for Libya) (An Italian paramilitary group)

There are about 3,000 white men between 18-30 in the "La Résistance Blanche nationale pour Libye" (National White Resistance for Libya) (A French paramilitary group)


The goal of the White Resistance Movement is to unite all white groups behind the banner of militancy.

"Fight for your liberties, brothers, fight for freedom, fight for ALLAH!"
_ Usama Al-Sandler, radical Shiite, Liberator

"No no, let us not break into violence. We must stay calm. Both white and arab here in Libya will be free and equal. We will not lower ourselves to this petty differences. If Libya is to achieve greatness, we cannot bicker amongst ourselves like children. Children with guns and a taste for murder."
_ Victoria Hawkthorne, half-Arab, Liberal part member

"We conquered this nation, and it is ours, no one can take this land that we earned with blood and tears. And I am not about to let a sandn__ger take away my land, and my sovereignty!"
_ Carl Lipton, WKL Recruiter and Activist

The New Dominion of Hadula made an official statement today, saying that if the White Resistence becomes violent, they will act, and with decisive force.

The New Dominion of Hadula made an official statement today, saying that if the White Resistence becomes violent, they will act, and with decisive force.


Approximately 10 million trained paramilitaries of the White Knights of Mississippi in the Egyptian Realm (Approximately 80 million White Knights of Mississippi in the Egyptian Realm. And the number of trained paramilitaries have been increased)

The leader of the militant wing of the WKM of Egypt (The trained paramilitaries are the militant wing) is an as yet unknown man, and he has declared, "We will not abandon our brethren in Libya. If the Libyan arabs attempt to massacre the whites of Libya, and nothing is done to stop them by the government of Libya... We will do something!"

In Egypt the most divisive issue between whites and arabs appears to be how Libya should handle their race relations problems.

92% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe that whites in Libya should be given some sort of power or local autonomy from the arab government.

6% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe that all the whites should move to the "White Circle" (Tobruk and 20 miles around it) where most of the whites live) and then be annexed into Egypt. Leaving the rest of Libya to the arabs.

2% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe the whites of Libya should rise up, and do whatever is necessary to establish a white state. But remain independent of Mississippi.


90% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the government of Libya should do something to guarantee white safety, but that the arabs should remain in power with a strong centralized government.

4% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the arabs of Libya should massacre the whites and drive them out.

6% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the government of Libya should give a certain amount of land to the whites of Libya and let them live in peace on it.

In Egypt the most divisive issue between whites and arabs appears to be how Libya should handle their race relations problems.

92% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe that whites in Libya should be given some sort of power or local autonomy from the arab government.

6% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe that all the whites should move to the "White Circle" (Tobruk and 20 miles around it) where most of the whites live) and then be annexed into Egypt. Leaving the rest of Libya to the arabs.

2% of whites in Mississippian Egypt believe the whites of Libya should rise up, and do whatever is necessary to establish a white state. But remain independent of Mississippi.


90% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the government of Libya should do something to guarantee white safety, but that the arabs should remain in power with a strong centralized government.

4% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the arabs of Libya should massacre the whites and drive them out.

6% of arabs in Mississippian Egypt believe that the government of Libya should give a certain amount of land to the whites of Libya and let them live in peace on it.
The Libyan people respect the Egyptian's thoughts, but wish to run their own country.

Well, except for the loyalists.

Also, notes from the assembly, voting is half-way to completion. In light of the whtie resitence and the CM suport, many voters are going in favor of the Liberal party's position restricting white immigration. Currently the support is as follows for the Outside White issue:

12% Loyalist
23% Liberation
65% Liberal.

This is out of all the people that have voted. To pass the resolution it must at least have 50% support.

CM Czar Curtis Fabus and Mississippian Egyptian President Alice Carrion have both made statements along the lines of, "Any and all from Egypt who might have hostile intentions against Libya (Ooc- the WKM Egyptian realm) will not be allowed to achieve their goals or harm innocent civilians. No unauthorized persons will be permitted to cross from Mississippian Egypt into Libya. The border guards will detain them if they attempt to cross without authorization from both Mississippian Egypt and Libya."

IDF wishes to know why the Egyptians voted for CM to stay. They were ethincally cleansed, colonized, and enslaved. IDF demands a revote for our neighbors with International oversight so we know it isn't rigged.

It is our business as Egypt is our neighbor

IDF wishes to know why the Egyptians voted for CM to stay. They were ethincally cleansed, colonized, and enslaved. IDF demands a revote for our neighbors with International oversight so we know it isn't rigged.

It is our business as Egypt is our neighbor


I've made it clear that the race relations in Egypt were always good, there were no massacres (this can be confirmed by checking CM Rps)

They were given decent wages and well paying jobs.

Sevaris and other observers oversaw and accepted as fair all the elections.


"We are insulted that you would even demand we hold new elections. They were fair and free." ME President Alice Carrion.

"This is obviously an attempt by vile jewry to destroy Egyptian Islamic values and leave us weak for their planned invasion!" ME Vice President Nasser Aref.



Added: OOC, you don't actually border Mississippian Egypt, you border Parthian Egypt.

The delbierations in Libya are finished, and it is decided that all whites can remain if they wish. Former Libyan whites may return, but as foreginers, and must immigrate and be naturalized once again. THey are also under the following restrictions.

- Only 200,000 immigrants a year
- 2 year naturalization
- Must learn Arabic (new official language)
- May not bring arms through the immigration offices
- Must not have membership with a supremist organization known for violence

EDIT: This applies to all immigrants.

The delbierations in Libya are finished, and it is decided that all whites can remain if they wish. Former Libyan whites may return, but as foreginers, and must immigrate and be naturalized once again. THey are also under the following restrictions.

- Only 200,000 immigrants a year
- 2 year naturalization
- Must learn Arabic (new official language)
- May not bring arms through the immigration offices
- Must not have membership with a white supremist organization known for violence



The whites have already learned Arabic, but they are demanding English and German be made official languages as well. They are also requesting that there be no restriction per year, but perhaps instead a maximum limit of 3 million whites be placed as the number that can live in Libya.

Ooc- They'll accept the arms limitations as their family on the farms in Libya have piles of weapons.

The whites have already learned Arabic, but they are demanding English and German be made official languages as well. They are also requesting that there be no restriction per year, but perhaps instead a maximum limit of 3 million whites be placed as the number that can live in Libya.

Ooc- They'll accept the arms limitations as their family on the farms in Libya have piles of weapons.
Libya makes its own legislation now. This has been made law in the Libyan constitution.

In light of the WKL members in Libya, they have also passed a piece of legislation restricting that any member of a racist organization that is known for violence may not own arms without a license.

English and Arabic are the only two official languages.

The White Knights of Libya, a political movement for the most part, has seen massive defections to the militant White Resistance Movement. 40,000 of the WKL members have joined the WRM because the WKL preached more peaceful solutions and political goals.


The whites have begun to cache their guns in secret locations, mostly buried on farms sealed in old oil drums. Keeping a few in their houses, but concealed safely in there as well. The 250,000 whites, of whom about 75,000 were males above 18, have a total of about 800,000 firearms, 25,000 ATGMS, 5,000 Stingers, and various other light support weaponry.

The leader of the WKL is continuing to preach peaceful political solutions and "working within the system"... Most of his members have deemed the weapons license and registration act as "Step one in what will become a genocide against us!" More WKL continue to quit in disgust and join the WRM.

The White Knights of Libya, a political movement for the most part, has seen massive defections to the militant White Resistance Movement. 40,000 of the WKL members have joined the WRM because the WKL preached more peaceful solutions and political goals.


The whites have begun to cache their guns in secret locations, mostly buried on farms sealed in old oil drums. Keeping a few in their houses, but concealed safely in there as well. The 250,000 whites, of whom about 75,000 were males above 18, have a total of about 800,000 firearms, 25,000 ATGMS, 5,000 Stingers, and various other light support weaponry.

The leader of the WKL is continuing to preach peaceful political solutions and "working within the system"... Most of his members have deemed the weapons license and registration act as "Step one in what will become a genocide against us!" More WKL continue to quit in disgust and join the WRM.
The Libyan government stresses that they are not targetting whites. The weapons ban also affects terrorists targetted at whites. The Libyans have called to the LJFA forces within their territory from Hadula and any other foriegn forces to help them enforce this new ban. They are trying to prevetn genocide, not cause it.

The Libyan government stresses that they are not targetting whites. The weapons ban also affects terrorists targetted at whites. The Libyans have called to the LJFA forces within their territory from Hadula and any other foriegn forces to help them enforce this new ban. They are trying to prevetn genocide, not cause it.



The White Resistance Movement is starting to go underground and readying to brace for an attempted genocide by arabs against whites.

26,000 of the 30,000 white farmers are threatening to "stop farming" or to "not deliver food to market", if the gun regulations continue. They believe this to be a movement towards genocide against them.

There are 150,000 whites living on commercial farms. Approximately 30,000 commercial farms. There are a total of about 250,000 whites in Libya.

The political leader of the WRM wishes to speak with the Libyan leader to discuss matters of varying degrees of importance.

The political leader of the WRM wishes to speak with the Libyan leader to discuss matters of varying degrees of importance.
Well, you can attend the assembly of her election: http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6850119#post6850119

OOC: Wait, is Lybia taken already?

OOC: Wait, is Lybia taken already?


Ooc: No, Libya is not taken already. Hadula is RPing the role of the free and independent Libya. Ottoman Khaif is attempting to muscle his way in. But as long as I have over 465 divisions (Well over 11 million men) in neighboring Egypt, nobody is taking Libya, nobody)


Check TG.