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Entering the Mexican Sea proved to be easier than expected, and the several Generals of the campaign were quiet confident of a victory. On the massive fleet's flagships, the leaders of the Spencertopian military were discussing the actions and strategies which would be taken during the war on Communist Mississipi. Nevertheless, now that they were nearing waters belonging to the enemy government, they had to take up defensive positions, and had to be on high alert.

The soldiers which had been sent were primed and ready for battle, with a thirst for blood. Almost uncontrollable, they screamed in the need for the taste blood, and they had been offered their meal, the government of Communist Mississipi. With absolute feriousity, they would reign hell upon the enemy, no matter the cost, no matter the losses....

Whilst all this was happening, a message was being transmissioned to all over the globe from the home of Spencertopia. Lord Sierus himself was making an announcement, which hopefully, would get the world's attention;

"Many of you are familiar with the evil government of Communist Mississipi. Many of you are familiar with their openly racist policies, such of those which can catagorise them as a "white supremesist" doctorine. This cannot be allowed, as under the global rule, all men are equal.

Communist Mississipi has had a record of committing crimes against humanity, such as the extermination of Jews, Blacks, and other non-white races. And yet they have not gone unpunished. We are those punishers, and we ask the world to join us in the crusade against the evil of racism. We cannot allow such things to go un-noticed, and we think it weak that the world has not made a stand yet.

Therefore, I am issuing an official declaration of war against the government of Communist Mississipi. Those who persecute others, shall be persecuted themselves..."

TAG Note that CM might ignore this...

Good luck, however, I doubt you will win. If you do, then more power to ya.

Premier Alec Mannerheim
Republic of Sevaris

Tagged also...might be an opportune moment...anyway.

CM, I don't think you can reasonably ignore this one. The guy launched a surprise attack, it happens, and all your "plan it all out" stuff means is that you can counter whatever the guy does. He's given you time to find him and/or do something about him, so it's not a godmode.

Good luck.

(OOC: If he doesn't ignore it, in time, I might get involved...)

Yeah. It's perfectly reasonable. CM, if you have decency, you should accept this. You really can't expect to win the war before it begins all the time.

The Republic Armed Forces received the news of a attack on CM. The military was put on alert. A message was send to Spencertopia.

To: The Leader of Spencertopia
We have learn you plan to attack CM. We will give military support if needed.

From: Brydog Department of State

OOC: Actually its not quiet left-field. It only appears left-field. I (ICly) have been developing a strong distaste for the CM government, and have been plotting something against his government. It has only become actually public knowledge now. Anyhow, im not declaring war because I want a war, im declaring war because I genually want a piece of the CM government.

Ah, my sentiment exactly old boy. *Cackle*

Anyway, let's see what he says eh?

Official statement from TAR military commander and ruler, Lavido Corados
Our ally, spencertopia, can expect the full support of the TAR armed forces, and as such we are declaring war on the vile scum that is Communist Mississippi. TAR forces, already mobilized from a previous war that thankfully never shed any blood, shall be ready to land in Communist Mississippi as soon as our ally has secured enough of CM. It is not expected to be long...

"We invite all nations and their respective military forces to join us in the invasion of Communist Mississipi. We believe this is not a war of our own attribution, and that it is in the benefit of the globe. Therefore, we believe it only fair that the world get a 'piece of the action', so to speak."

Lord Sierus
The Dominion of Spencertopia

To: Lord Sierus
From: PM M. Jones.

Sir;

We have nothing but contempt for this dangerous nation, and applaud the fact that somebody, finally, has the nerve to challenge him.

We will likely come to your aid. Our best assets are our Navy, so expect help from the sea first.

The Cabinet is currently debating our involvement.

We are most impressed, and if we become involved, will remain in this conflict your obedient servants.

"We invite all nations and their respective military forces to join us in the invasion of Communist Mississipi. We believe this is not a war of our own attribution, and that it is in the benefit of the globe. Therefore, we believe it only fair that the world get a 'piece of the action', so to speak."

Lord Sierus
The Dominion of Spencertopia

Check your TG's.

Aust will aid you in this war.
For some time we have been watching the nation of Communist Mississipi with increasing distaste and alarm.
So much so that the nation has been placed under survalence by the ASR.
We will send the 4th fleet and much of our airforce, treditionally our strongest area, to aid you.
They shall set off as soon as the 4th fleet arrives back in harbour from training missions in the antartic ocean.
We estemate that it will take 3 days for them to arrive back, and a further 3 days to reload and rearm.
As well as further delays as we gather intelligance about the enermy.
We expect to set sail in 15 days, and we are also mobalising the 6th fleet of carriers with witch to land in CM.
If you can provide us with a base of operations our air task force, of five fighter wings and one bomberwing will take off.
We are also considering mobalising a transport wing.
We hope we can aid you.
Emporer Palpatine the 4th
Lord of Aust.
Lord of the Air.

Nothing but praise for this action of spencertopia after all hardly anyone would recognize your military escapades if you posted this as AU

OCC: How exactly did you enter the Gulf of Mexico? The Panama canal is controled by Aztec National League which is a close allie of mine. Also I control a majority of the barrier islands in the Eastern section of the Gulf and Carribean. I would have blown any warship that wasnt allied with me to peices becuase I am shutting off all foreign unknown vessels. You cant really rp going straight by my islands without facing the large 3rd Red Fleet and the 10 Wolf Packs consisting(sp?) of more then 20 submarines per pack. CM will probably ignore you.

Meh. Spence, you could move it back I suppose to outside the Gulf. Wouldn't be too tricky.

I am shutting off all foreign unknown vessels.
OOC: Uhh...why exactly are you doing that? If he is using international waters, you can't, it's an act of war.

To all nations againest CM, I will invade his colonies in Africa, from Brydog Sierra Leone. If you want to join the rumble in Africa. Then come along :)

OCC: How exactly did you enter the Gulf of Mexico? The Panama canal is controled by Aztec National League which is a close allie of mine. Also I control a majority of the barrier islands in the Eastern section of the Gulf and Carribean. I would have blown any warship that wasnt allied with me to peices becuase I am shutting off all foreign unknown vessels. You cant really rp going straight by my islands without facing the large 3rd Red Fleet and the 10 Wolf Packs consisting(sp?) of more then 20 submarines per pack. CM will probably ignore you.
i dont suppose you've heard of a little something called a multiverse? :p

OCC: How exactly did you enter the Gulf of Mexico? The Panama canal is controled by Aztec National League which is a close allie of mine. Also I control a majority of the barrier islands in the Eastern section of the Gulf and Carribean. I would have blown any warship that wasnt allied with me to peices becuase I am shutting off all foreign unknown vessels. You cant really rp going straight by my islands without facing the large 3rd Red Fleet and the 10 Wolf Packs consisting(sp?) of more then 20 submarines per pack. CM will probably ignore you.
OOC: Personally, I completly ignore all these RL nation claims. I RP myself as antartica and if other people RP themselves as there then thats fine. If you RPed your fleets in the way, that'd be fine. However as he may not have had the knowlage you where there, I certainly didn't, then he can be excused for this.

To all nations againest CM, I will invade his colonies in Africa, from Brydog Sierra Leone. If you want to join the rumble in Africa. Then come along :)

Your turn. Check your TG's :D

I hadn't thought of those reasons....

We will monitor CM's naval movements in the Med. While we are not entering the war, we will watch.

We remind CM that any infringement of the Arab Libyan border will result in an automatic state of war between us.

Sevaris, check TGs in a moment or two.

Nothing but praise for this action of spencertopia after all hardly anyone would recognize your military escapades if you posted this as AU

OOC: ---message edited out---

The Republic of Nireva will NOT support this attack.
But we are not going to war.
So we just warn you; Do NOT attack against unarmed civilians OR use chemical/nuclear weapons. If you do, Nireva will bring troops there.

And same thing with CM, if you use chemical/nuclear weapons, we will help attackers.

The Greenmanbry Navy, all located in the Red Sea, has been put on high alert. While we are not going to war with CM, alert status has been raised to Defcon 2.

Our airforce and army, especially divisions situated in Northern Greenmanbry, have been given orders to prepare for possible mobilization in the not-so-distant future.

OOC: My last OOC note was directed toward his actions, not to the person himself ;)

Anyhow, I dont really recognise as many as able to control an entire sea, but if its REALLY nessasary and CM wants to use something to get some kinda advantage, then I *can* actually send the idea back to the edge of the gulf

I think you ought to make sure he can't get the advantage through you being reasonable, which is what he usually does, hence my less-than-reasonable attitude to him.

DPUO, unblock me on MSN Messenger. I need to ask you a quesion and I think you would be interested.

DPUO, who are you on MSN messenger?

The Greenmanbry Navy, all located in the Red Sea, has been put on high alert. While we are not going to war with CM, alert status has been raised to Defcon 2.

Check TG's.

Safehaven2 will surport the invasion of CM Africa.

We have now declared a state of war on Communist Mississippi.

Safehaven2 will surport the invasion of CM Africa.

That would be appreciated. Where are you located?

DPUO is now officially at war, after much thought, with Communist Mississippi.

Prime Minister Jones had this to say:

"To quote another great emancipator: 'Gentlement, I am quite positive that we must give the order. I don't like it, but there it is. I don't see how we can possibly do anything else.'"

OOC: Unfortunately, CM likes it when he is notified before someone starts a war with him. You should have TGed him, I'm not sure if he is going to continue in this conflict.

As for Hadula, later in the conflict we can help you, mostly with financial support and humanitarian aid. We also can give extensive logistics support, but unfortunately it will have to wait until our nation has stabilized.

After a heavy decision, Premier Mannerheim has asked Congress for a declaration of war against CM. In his official address to the Sevarisian people, he said:

"Up to the very end, it would've been quite possible to arrange for an honorable end to the dispute between the Allies and CM. However, he would not have it. The situation in which no word given by CM's government could be trusted has become intolerable. Now may God help us all, and may he defend the right, for it is evil we should be fighting against, and against it, I am sure, that the right will prevail."

The Republic of Sevaris formally declares war against Communist Mississippi.

TO: Communist Mississippi
FROM: Governor Jindal of CL

You are putting our nation at risk now comrade. We have tried to support you but it does not seem it is working. So we will make this easy. You have 48 (RL) hours to pull out of Africa or we will stop defending you. We will also allow foreign nations to send ships into the Gulf. My nation is tired of being put at risk and we will not see this anymore.

I ask that all other nations back off for 48 hours or until he decides what his decision is. If he doesn't I will unfortunatly have to side with the force trying to behead CM.

OOC: The current situation is as follows:

--CM Supplies to his colonies through Gibralter Straight are BLOCKED
--CM Supplies to his colonies through the Red Sea are BLOCKED
--Spencertopian Forces are pushing deeper into CM Waters, and are ready to conduct offensive/defensive manoevers.

Our blockade of the Red Sea stands, but due to the request of CL, we will not be firing a shot upon CM forces for 48 hours, unless we feel our forces are under threat.

(OOC: Gives me time to get more forces on the front if anything)

We shall do likewise, for the moment.

We will not fire a shot against CM either until the deadline expires. However, any CM ships trying to cross the blockade will be sunk.

We have now declared a state of war on Communist Mississippi.



That would be appreciated. Where are you located?

Morroco, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso. We have been greatly disturbed by CM actions on our borders especially in Senegal.

Morroco, Tunisia, Algeria, Mauritania, Mali, Niger and Burkina Faso. We have been greatly disturbed by CM actions on our borders especially in Senegal.

Excellent news. Not only are the sea routes into his colonies blocked, but he wont be able to ship supplies by land either.

Excellent indeed.

Request clearance to ship 10 Motor-Rifle Divisions, 4 Tank divisions and 2 Artillery divisions to Mauritania.

Will also require basing facilities for 10 MiG-29MU regiments, 12 MiG-31M2 regiments, also Mi-24VU and Mi-28N2 helicopters

"We encourage Communist Louisinanna to withdraw all support from Communist Mississipi, considering the fact that we do not wish to have armed conflict with your nation. It is obvious that they seem to care very little about the security of your nation, and we are willing to invade Communist Mississipi, with your forces against us or not..."

Excellent indeed.

Request clearance to ship 10 Motor-Rifle Divisions, 4 Tank divisions and 2 Artillery divisions to Mauritania.

Permission granted. WIth recent news all borderss with CM Africa and CM controlled N Senegal have been sealed off and the military is mobilizing for war. The resolution for a declaration of war is going thru Congress right now but it is expected to pass.

Edit:All alies have permission to use my lands against CM but they must inform me first.

Very well. Will begin shipping accordingly, ETA 10 days. Convoy will be 150 ships, split into 15 groups of 10 freighters, each protected by six Udaloy-II and two Sovremennyy-II destroyers. Convoy will be escorted by three BBBGs.

Standard BBBG: (3)

1 Soyuz-class BBN
1 Kiev-II class CVHN
8 Sovremennyy-II class DDG
8 Udaloy-II class DDG
6 Neustrashimiy-class FF
10 Supply vessels

TO: Spencertopia
FROM: CL

We are going to give him support to pull out of Africa. I urge you to do the same unless if you want to go against the might of the entire Red Navy. You will be fighting them on their home turf and we will die for our nation and our way of life. I am going to tell you to pull back for 48 hours. If he doesnt pull out of Africa. I will allow you access to the Gulf of Mexico.

I will aid those who strive to dethrone this disgusting example of a head of state.

CL, I'm supporting Spencer, don't kill yourself with CM. Just hang it all man, and help us take him out all the faster before he can be a further threat.

HM and the government are intrested in this conflict and see it as a superb blow against dissillussional communism. Rodeana may give moral support and if showing interest, maybe even military.

HM and the government are intrested in this conflict and see it as a superb blow against dissillussional communism. Rodeana may give moral support and if showing interest, maybe even military.
OOC: Communist Mississippi's name is ironic, they are right wing fascists who hate "commie leftists"

HM and the government are intrested in this conflict and see it as a superb blow against dissillussional communism. Rodeana may give moral support and if showing interest, maybe even military.

OOC: He's fascist, not communist. The name is misleading.

Western Fleet units will begin leaving port in two hours. They will be moving out into the Atlantic, aiming to interdict CM merchantmen and support military action against him.

Southern Fleet units are being ordered to sea also, moving to an unknown location.

All Naval Infantry divisions are being recalled and ordered to make ready for deployment overseas.

Secret: More than 100 submarines are already in the Atlantic, mainly the North. They are ordered to proceed into position to stop CM arms convoys as fast as possible.

OOC: We should wait for CM. If there are 10 pages to read when he logs on, he definitely will ignore this.

OOC - Sorry, I just have to make this note..

IC -

"Again, we as a nation dislike war, and we applaud Communist Louisiana's demand for CM forces to withdraw from Africa..

I have ordered the immediate mobilization of the 7th Army to the Sudan/Egypt border, and the full mobilization of the 19th Army to the Chad/Libya border..

These two groups, over a million soldiers, will fill the power vacuum should CM decide to do the right thing for once and withdraw from Africa..

We are Arabs, these two nations are Arab nations. We can communicate / we can negotiate / we can rebuild / and then we grant them the independence that CM has so menacingly took away from them.

Also, the fleet in the Red Sea.. the whole GMB fleet, is willing to ship supplies through Parthian Egypt and into Mississippian Egypt to aid in economic and relief efforts, and to rebuild their destroyed lives.

Please be wise, Fabus, withdraw from Africa before it is too late. We don't want anyone to resort to any armed conflict.

President Ahmed Byrnashty
On his sickbed, after receiving news of CL's demands

OOC - The president was recently diagnosed with cancer.. appreciate the effort he put into making this statement.

[OOC - It would seem to be this post has been ignored, and while I will not pledge support to either side, for now, I will be waiting and watching.]

OOC: He probably hasn't been online to see it yet. Not everyone checks NS every 2 hours.

Safehaven2, we are requesting permission to deploy the 8th and 2nd Armies (300,000 men) to your border with CM for operations against Africa.

Permission Granted. All other nations please contact me via tg so we don't clutter this up.

Thank you. They are on their way now, along with two wings of the Sevarisian Air Force.

We support this move but will not pledge forces as of yet. In a press conference today Prime Minister Brown has stated that
The Invasion of the Sovereign Nation of Communist Mississipi is not unprovoked by their right wing extremist views. However, it is their right as a sovereign nation and as of yet no Hogsweatian forces are being deployed. We will however, consider the deployment of peace keepers in the region.


Secret IC to Coalition forces operating in Africa
We have two QRF SCO Divisions (Specialised Covert Operations) operating in the area on the aircraft carrier HMS Ready to Rumble. They are deployable by helicopter and are at the disposal of any coalition nation (TG me if you want special covert ops done) We have also twenty Harrier II's on standby on the HMS Ready to Rumble.

Entering the Mexican Sea proved to be easier than expected, and the several Generals of the campaign were quiet confident of a victory. On the massive fleet's flagships, the leaders of the Spencertopian military were discussing the actions and strategies which would be taken during the war on Communist Mississipi. Nevertheless, now that they were nearing waters belonging to the enemy government, they had to take up defensive positions, and had to be on high alert.

The soldiers which had been sent were primed and ready for battle, with a thirst for blood. Almost uncontrollable, they screamed in the need for the taste blood, and they had been offered their meal, the government of Communist Mississipi. With absolute feriousity, they would reign hell upon the enemy, no matter the cost, no matter the losses....

Whilst all this was happening, a message was being transmissioned to all over the globe from the home of Spencertopia. Lord Sierus himself was making an announcement, which hopefully, would get the world's attention;

"Many of you are familiar with the evil government of Communist Mississipi. Many of you are familiar with their openly racist policies, such of those which can catagorise them as a "white supremesist" doctorine. This cannot be allowed, as under the global rule, all men are equal.

Communist Mississipi has had a record of committing crimes against humanity, such as the extermination of Jews, Blacks, and other non-white races. And yet they have not gone unpunished. We are those punishers, and we ask the world to join us in the crusade against the evil of racism. We cannot allow such things to go un-noticed, and we think it weak that the world has not made a stand yet.

Therefore, I am issuing an official declaration of war against the government of Communist Mississipi. Those who persecute others, shall be persecuted themselves..."



http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6838180#post6838180

CM, you cannot always BS your way out of RPing, just because things don't go your way.

Why does every idiot in the game (Spencertopia has less than 50 posts and is over 7 months old) along with the noobs last night, think they can just godmod against me, ignore my rules, NS rules... My rules are clearly established, the golden rule is contact me so we can plan via messenger, nobody ever does that... And thus the ignore cannon is fired once more.

You always plan- so you can always win. How original. Anyway, why not ask Spencertopia to move his ships out of the Gulf?

Tagged also...might be an opportune moment...anyway.

CM, I don't think you can reasonably ignore this one. The guy launched a surprise attack, it happens, and all your "plan it all out" stuff means is that you can counter whatever the guy does. He's given you time to find him and/or do something about him, so it's not a godmode.


A surprise attack when I have 30,000+ planes in the air, every unit of full red alert... For the last few weeks I've been on full red alert because of our cold-war.

You always plan- so you can always win. How original. Anyway, why not ask Spencertopia to move his ships out of the Gulf?



Yes, I won Angola and Firebase Fabus... Wrong.

OOC: As predicted. At least this time the person wasn't a godmodder [realize that this one didn't attack, only mobilized troops]

Listen, you can't just not accept anything you don't bloody like. How about growing up and facing the fact that he gave you an opportunity to react, and then getting it bloody done. Pathetic. You just want to bend it so that you win.

If CM ignores this perfectly legit attack, I think perhaps a mass ignore is in order.

If it were up to me, I'd nuke him and be done with it. However, I'm not going to destroy the world.

Listen, you can't just not accept anything you don't bloody like. How about growing up and facing the fact that he gave you an opportunity to react, and then getting it bloody done. Pathetic. You just want to bend it so that you win.

If CM ignores this perfectly legit attack, I think perhaps a mass ignore is in order.


I'm already planning a war with somebody else.
I plan before I post.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350588

OOC: As predicted. At least this time the person wasn't a godmodder [realize that this one didn't attack, only mobilized troops]


Okay, I'm going read over all this and see what happened. I only read a few posts... But I'll figure out something in a minute... Let me read the entire thread first.

Tough luck. I have not a few things going on, but I stop them to deal with important events. Now quit acting like a child who's just been ticked off by his parents, and get this started.

Spencertopia, you want a war.


Here are my terms for a war with me.


Me + 1 ally, vs you + 1 ally (We'll each have to be approving the others allie)

Nobody jumps into this because it will be closed and between just 4 people.

We do some talking via a messenger.

No nuclear weaponry.

You don't seem a godmodder so I think this might work...

That just lets you win. Face it, you brought this on yourself, now take it like a man. By all means ask him to shift his ships back or whatever, but you can't just always have it your own way.

That just lets you win. Face it, you brought this on yourself, now take it like a man. By all means ask him to shift his ships back or whatever, but you can't just always have it your own way.


It's a freeform RP, I've made my rules clear enough. He never went by them and contacted me or anything. So I'll agree to a war, but only if he agrees to follow the rest of my terms. I think it's a fair deal (I could just ignore him for ignoring my well established rules)

Your rules are just there to give you an easy fight, and you know it. Nobody else makes rules for how they can be fought. Everybody else, if there's an attack, they take it. What makes you so damn special?

Your rules are just there to give you an easy fight, and you know it. Nobody else makes rules for how they can be fought. Everybody else, if there's an attack, they take it. What makes you so damn special?


I've seen numerous times, people ignore stuff they deem "bad", "poor", "godmodding", etc, stuff that doesn't fit in with their overall plan and picture.

I don't write crap, and I don't like to RP with people who barely write (Not that you all can't write) but I like to do things that are good for reading. That is why I carefully decide who I RP with and there is always communication and planning.


I gave my terms for spencertopia to war with me. Ball's in his court now (He can accept or reject)

Well this is none of those things. You're just unable to take bloody losing.

Oh so it's for the sake of good RP eh? Well tough! The war's on. You can Rp it equally well, surely, if you have to react to it?

OOC: IT's a perfectly fair RP. He didn't GODMOD and gave you time to react. You can't ignore it. You can't just impose rules like that. He did nothing wrong, therefore you must fight it out. Part of the fun of NS is when something like this happens. Just do your best to fight it out. If what your suggesting happens not only does it make it easyer for yourself but wreaks it for other people.

Well this is none of those things. You're just unable to take bloody losing.
EXACTLY

OOC: IT's a perfectly fair RP. He didn't GODMOD and gave you time to react. You can't ignore it. You can't just impose rules like that. He did nothing wrong, therefore you must fight it out. Part of the fun of NS is when something like this happens. Just do your best to fight it out. If what your suggesting happens not only does it make it easyer for yourself but wreaks it for other people.



I want an RP that is closed to most, because honestly, most of the people in this game don't write at the level I deem worthy to RP me. Call that arrogant... But you don't see AMF inviting Sephiroth to RP... And you won't see me inviting people I deem lesser, to RP.

I will RP with spencertopia, 1 ally of his, myself, and 1 ally of mine. That is all... Take it or leave it.

Why? How is that an even remotely accurate war? You just know that you can't win this. And comparing anyone here to Sephrioth is a damned insult. I say that Spencer ignores your bloody proposal, since it's clearly designed to pander to your inflated ego and unwillingess to lose.

OOC: This is exactly why I don't do war RPs as much and why I RP my people as peaceful. No enemies and many allies :)

I want an RP that is closed to most, because honestly, most of the people in this game don't write at the level I deem worthy to RP me. Call that arrogant... But you don't see AMF inviting Sephiroth to RP... And you won't see me inviting people I deem lesser, to RP.

I will RP with spencertopia, 1 ally of his, myself, and 1 ally of mine. That is all... Take it or leave it.
you want at least equal numbers. sorry, but sometimes it just doesnt work that way. and there are many people that rp far better than you

I've seen numerous times, people ignore stuff they deem "bad", "poor", "godmodding", etc, stuff that doesn't fit in with their overall plan and picture.

And they are wrong as well. There is a streak that runs through some RP'ers that makes them lay down unrealistic rules in a bid to make a war easier for them... in a real war there's no limit to the amount of allies a nation can bring in and while I understand there has to be a line drawn somewhere (I've seen wars on here where about two dozen nations have gone after one little guy - this is totally unfair), a 4-player limit is a little restrictive.

I'd leave it open and just ignore the godmodders as and when - and set a slightly higher limit, enough to stop a complete dogpile but enough to make a realistic war... but what do I know, I don't do all that much RP'ing, I just call 'em as I see 'em.

Why does everybody feel the need to force me into RPs against my wishes, rules, etc... They don't obey any of the rules I have established, and such, it's really annoying. And then they try to force me to Rp.


I've given my terms for the war... The ball is in his court now.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350644


Today, 10:26 AM #2
The Evil Overlord
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 1,065 It's been said before, but bears repeating.

If you want to roleplay a war with someone, contact that player in advance. Take some time and discuss the rules you both agree to, whether or not any other players will be permitted, what technology is allowed, etc. This takes time, but helps prevent the thread from degenerating into an unsatisfactory flame-fest.

Regardless of what your IC or OOC opinion of CM is, you have to have his agreement to get involved in a war with him on a free-form roleplaying forum.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=282993

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Right, OK. I call mass ignore of this guy if he refuses, or just nuking him. He can't face losing and can't face anything he doesn't like.

you want at least equal numbers. sorry, but sometimes it just doesnt work that way. and there are many people that rp far better than you



Eh, I think the poll on my Rping skills revealed that a good chunk think I'm excellent, the bulk think I'm decent or better. Only a few people (mostly for ooc reasons probably) said my RPing is bad.


When the post count / view count, is less than .15 - .12, it means you're good... I've seen some AMF ratios go to .08-.05... That means he's good. :D

I've seen some CM raitos go from .09-.07, it means I'm good.


Well hell, it means something, you all don't get a post count like that without people reading it. And people read what they enjoy reading. :D

Right, OK. I call mass ignore of this guy if he refuses, or just nuking him. He can't face losing and can't face anything he doesn't like.


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=282993


Rules and suggestions for RPing. I suggest you skim over them.

CM, would you like me to tell some people something? And by the way, not impressed. If this is free-form, then they should be free to attack you without warning you because everyone knows what yoiu'll do if they plan it out. Hell, I know full well what you're like to work these out with.

I want an RP that is closed to most, because honestly, most of the people in this game don't write at the level I deem worthy to RP me. Call that arrogant... But you don't see AMF inviting Sephiroth to RP... And you won't see me inviting people I deem lesser, to RP.

I will RP with spencertopia, 1 ally of his, myself, and 1 ally of mine. That is all... Take it or leave it.
If a nation GODMOD's then I don't RP with them, I try to help them improve. However, I do RP with nations that don't GODMOD. I don't see them as worse than me. If there Rp's are poor then they can learn how to improve them.

By your logic you may choose not to RP with me because I can't spell right. Also, AMF does RP with people who Rp fairly. No one RP's with Sephiroth because he constantly GODMODs and refuses to learn how to RP. You cannot ignore or lay down rules for this one.

How about a 4 vs 4 war? Would that bother anybody?

I just don't want things to become a mass of godmodding and flaming (and thus far I've seen literally hundreds of wars between others, become just that)

I think this is a fair solution.
Sign up for the war now!


1) CM
2) Nazguul
3) Grenval
4)


1) Spencertopia
2) DPUO
3)
4)

You would doubtless choose your largest allies, and keep on restrcting it how you want it. Why should people bow to that?

Incidentally, if for some god-forsaken reason people actually bow to this, then I'll sign on on the "Let's kill CM" team.

OOC:Again you try to change the rules to suit you. You don't seem to realise that this is perfectly fine and as many allies of possable can join in. If you don't have any allies, it's your fault.

OOC: Would humanitarian aid count as part of the military conflict? Hadula intends not on using military units, but their UTA Humanitarian Division to help those endangered by the conflict. Morally and politically, we are allied against CM, but not militaristicly, so we won't attack you, and we will care for your citizens and wounded as well.

Of course, I could always sign up and get a few large allies in, Moontain ect.

OOC:Again you try to change the rules to suit you. You don't seem to realise that this is perfectly fine and as many allies of possable can join in. If you don't have any allies, it's your fault.


OOC: If that was the case, I'd drag in over 100-150 people. But I don't want a mass of people posting who the common reader won't be able to follow and remember all the names. I want characters that you can associate with, feel what they're going through, detailed thinking, the horrors of war. I don't want this to be impersonal like a chess game where pieces are moved and nobody realizes what it means.

OOC:
Aust, Moontian is future tech :p Why would CM rp with him?

Wars ARE impersonal! Modern war is the affair of a gigantic machine! Goddammit, stop BSing to get out of it and take the attack. If you're so powerful and well-found in allies, then call them up.

OOC:
Aust, Moontian is future tech :p Why would CM rp with him?
Oh yeah, I'd just get the Right Wing allince in.

CM is right wing :p Why would they attack him?

OOC: If that was the case, I'd drag in over 100-150 people. But I don't want a mass of people posting who the common reader won't be able to follow and remember all the names. I want characters that you can associate with, feel what they're going through, detailed thinking, the horrors of war. I don't want this to be impersonal like a chess game where pieces are moved and nobody realizes what it means.
So do I, I enjoy RP's like that. I can get a lot of nations in as well. I balive the remainents og the COE and GDODAD may help me out. And the Right wing allince ect.

[OOC - So apparently I am in. Not that I do not like whoever I am fighting, I just do not know you, so don't take it personally, not that you ever would.]

CM is right wing :p Why would they attack him?
OOC:Stop meddling Dammit. An drawing holes in my alllinces you are very annoying,

also CM are you in that allince

Stop your blathering about it being personal. Have it with a few central characters if you want interspersing the proper action, like most people do.

OOC:Stop meddling Dammit. An drawing holes in my alllinces you are very annoying,

also CM are you in that allince

OOC:
Just pointing out
;)

OOC:Stop meddling Dammit. An drawing holes in my alllinces you are very annoying,

also CM are you in that allince

I do not believe so. But I could get over 100-200 people if I wanted... But I don't want a mass of crap slinging... I want a few good people.

So you can have it your way! You know, I recall another nation that did this not too long ago, and what happened to him.

Well if you won't accept the rp then fine but you still can't send supplies/trade over my lands in Africa which is gonna cause you problems.

I do not believe so. But I could get over 100-200 people if I wanted... But I don't want a mass of crap slinging... I want a few good people.
Agreed. Sometimes wars just get to large, it's better when you have a lot of wars revolving around a main conflict like the Aust-NK war. That had allinces everywhere but because people only faced those who where near them/had gruges with ect. It was okay. However I half support your ideas, but I don't like restricting the numbers just like that.

Well if you won't accept the rp then fine but you still can't send supplies/trade over my lands in Africa which is gonna cause you problems.


My territory in Africa has stockpiles of war material for 1-2 years, and for civilian products they are totally self-sufficient.

[OOC - Stuff you should know. I do not have a factbook yet, nor a website that actually works, you can try this (http://www.tuffshit.net/accounts/grenval/) but it probably will not work. So anyways, if you absolutely must have a map, I can send it through MSN. But here are the basics. I have only about fifteen to twenty miles of coastline, and it is nearly completely covered in naval bases. The city bordering the coast is Rufushian, my military hub so to speak and home to a massive 27 million people. Slightly east and 500 miles north of Rufushian is Grenval City, my capital and seat of government, home to 30 million people. Those are my only two real cites. There are several smaller cities home to less than 250,000, but those are the main ones. Blair is the center of intelligence is Grenval, and is on the easter border. But blowing that up would just kill some spies, it is not like I would lose access to my satellites. Now, Grenvali is triangular, the tip is at the coast, and it gets wider moving up. At the top it is roughly 1500 miles across and 1800 miles long from tip to top. The north west coner is mountainous and the general area past the mountains are agricultural. So you have the basic idea. If I refer to the Bafrinch Farm, I am referring to the entire northwestern agricultural region, roughly one third of my land is that northwestern agriculture. Also, there are no military bases in my capital, and the majority are in or around Rufushian.]

There he proves my point. He won't RP anything not favourable to him, like the destruction of those colonies.

[OOC - Stuff you should know. I do not have a factbook yet, nor a website that actually works, you can try this (http://www.tuffshit.net/accounts/grenval/) but it probably will not work. So anyways, if you absolutely must have a map, I can send it through MSN. But here are the basics. I have only about fifteen to twenty miles of coastline, and it is nearly completely covered in naval bases. The city bordering the coast is Rufushian, my military hub so to speak and home to a massive 27 million people. Slightly east and 500 miles north of Rufushian is Grenval City, my capital and seat of government, home to 30 million people. Those are my only two real cites. There are several smaller cities home to less than 250,000, but those are the main ones. Blair is the center of intelligence is Grenval, and is on the easter border. But blowing that up would just kill some spies, it is not like I would lose access to my satellites. Now, Grenvali is triangular, the tip is at the coast, and it gets wider moving up. At the top it is roughly 1500 miles across and 1800 miles long from tip to top. The north west coner is mountainous and the general area past the mountains are agricultural. So you have the basic idea. If I refer to the Bafrinch Farm, I am referring to the entire northwestern agricultural region, roughly one third of my land is that northwestern agriculture. Also, there are no military bases in my capital, and the majority are in or around Rufushian.]
OOC: You also have bases in the southern islands of Hadula.

There he proves my point. He won't RP anything not favourable to him, like the destruction of those colonies.


I'm up for an RP in the colonies... But you must be fair and realize the armies are strong enough to hold some of them... I'm not going to be RPed out of everything because that isn't realistic... I mean Libya is the strongest, and would not fall.. Egypt might... Western Sahara, we won't even reinforce it, there are only 10 million whites there, it's low on our priority list.


But you all know the army figures for WS, ME, and ML... You know what is realistic.

It will most certainly fall with the forces moving against it, but you just can't accept that.

There he proves my point. He won't RP anything not favourable to him, like the destruction of those colonies.

How was losing Angola in an RP favorable to me? I did it!

How was losing the cream of my 3 best parachute division and over 2,000 aircraft, favorable to me! Firebase Fabus! I did it!


How is having over 150,000 mercenaries bogged down in Senegal-UWA conflict, favorable to me? I am doing it!

It will most certainly fall with the forces moving against it, but you just can't accept that.

Hear hear!

And believe me CM, as shocking as it sounds, the strategies that people have in store for you will make your defenses as worthless as a piece of gum abandoned on a sidewalk.

My territory in Africa has stockpiles of war material for 1-2 years, and for civilian products they are totally self-sufficient.

The economy will suffer, morale will suffer as its harder to send/recieve things from home.Supplies aren't the only thing. And I thought I read somewere that you depended on Parthian and home shipments of weapons/ammo becouse you couldn't build factorie though I may be wrong. 1-2 years supplies won't last that long in full scale war.

That's a few men. This will be the death of your system, and you can't accept it, nor that you've brought it on yourself.

It will most certainly fall with the forces moving against it, but you just can't accept that.


There are over 12 million soldiers from Federal and Commonwealth units in ME and ML, concentration of force, defenders advantage, it's easier to defend than attack. You usually need a 3 or 4 to 1 advantage under standard NATO doctrine.

Also you forget standard CM battle doctrine (CW)

You forget the vast superiority of the MiG-41 and T-98 tank (although to be fair, the tanks stink for mobility and are hard to maneuver, they're basically the modern equivalent of the King Tiger or the Maus)


You forget the most important thing.... There are over 6 million militants in ME and ML, that can be pressed into service. Then the mercenary units that are based out of ME and ML, add in about 500,000 super highly experienced operatives.


I'm game, but it's no picnic to overcome 20+ million soldiers.

And we should take this to the OOC war thread.


One more thing, this just proves I was right all along. You're a warmonger. So I get to do an, "I told you so" I said, "If a war starts, it won't be by me, but rest assured I will be the one to end it." "I told you so!"

Before I begin I'd like to say I may be new here but I'm no stranger to RPing so you can take your noob crap and shove it.

CM, I do beleive you're godmoding, to force people to war by your rules and your rules only is completly absurd, Spencer made a legitimate move against you, he gave you more than ample time to respond and when you did you decided to redefine the RP, sorry I don't beleive that's how it works. So the ball is in YOUR court, you can ignore him and really earn the title of godmoder or you can get off your high horse and start rallying your allies.

Andrew

That's a few men. This will be the death of your system, and you can't accept it, nor that you've brought it on yourself.

There is no way that you can pull off an amphibious invasion against 15+ million soldiers in Mississippi. They'd defending a coastline so small, I could pack 1000 troops per mile if I wanted...


Look how much trouble the allies had on D-Day.

Amphibious invasions aren't easy.

Before I begin I'd like to say I may be new here but I'm no stranger to RPing so you can take your noob crap and shove it.

CM, I do beleive you're godmoding, to force people to war by your rules and your rules only is completly absurd, Spencer made a legitimate move against you, he gave you more than ample time to respond and when you did you decided to redefine the RP, sorry I don't beleive that's how it works. So the ball is in YOUR court, you can ignore him and really earn the title of godmoder or you can get off your high horse and start rallying your allies.

Andrew

I posted my reply before reading all the posts... I'm sorry, I jumped the gun. I expected a noob attack against me (because that is all I ever get)... Crap that deserves ignoring.


I've already made an OOC war thread.

Nonetheless, CM, the fporces against you are far too potent for you to hold off. And as for your equipment, it's a complete farce. Half of it's a godmode and the other half is now so outnumbered it doesn't matter. You have brought this on yourdself, but you can't accept it, so you'll cry and throw your toys out of the pram because you're reaping what you sow.

[OOC - Okay, I got a new website, that sucks because I did it in five minutes, but regardless, here is the link to the link to my map.

Map (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=350672)]

OOC: You also have bases in the southern islands of Hadula.

[OOC - That is true. My offshore bases are in Hadula and Roach-Busters. There may be others, because for example, I only recently learned RB set up a base for me, but those are the only two bases confirmed by both sides. So Hadula and Roach-Busters it shall remain.]

Nonetheless, CM, the fporces against you are far too potent for you to hold off. And as for your equipment, it's a complete farce. Half of it's a godmode and the other half is now so outnumbered it doesn't matter. You have brought this on yourdself, but you can't accept it, so you'll cry and throw your toys out of the pram because you're reaping what you sow.
You have a TG.

As do you.

As do you.
Read. TG back.

ooc: Is there a reason why everyone attacks CM? There's at least an invasion of CM a day here.

ooc: Is there a reason why everyone attacks CM? There's at least an invasion of CM a day here.
Probably same reason lots of people invade AMF. Except that AMF is a better rper.

Eh, I think the poll on my Rping skills revealed that a good chunk think I'm excellent, the bulk think I'm decent or better. Only a few people (mostly for ooc reasons probably) said my RPing is bad.


When the post count / view count, is less than .15 - .12, it means you're good... I've seen some AMF ratios go to .08-.05... That means he's good. :D

I've seen some CM raitos go from .09-.07, it means I'm good.


Well hell, it means something, you all don't get a post count like that without people reading it. And people read what they enjoy reading. :D
very funny. most 10000+ postcount holders have never rped.

very funny. most 10000+ postcount holders have never rped.


Ah crap, I meant view count... Sorry.

The LRRMFs will send in all the support they can to help in this invasion of CM.

[OOC - Whittier, where you been. I think we should meet at the WP yahoo group. Things are happening.]

[OOC - Whittier, where you been. I think we should meet at the WP yahoo group. Things are happening.]
agreed.

agreed.

Going there now.

I'm in the yahoo whittier pact chat room now.

Interesting, I am not allowed access to the stuff under Members only, despite that I signed in?!?

As in I am not allowed into the chat room.

you are signed in, yes?

you are signed in, yes?

yes

it says you are a member. Do you have the software downloaded to your computer?

okay
i am in
apparently I have more than one account (little did i know) and so I found out that I needed to use a different one

The legislature of Estudias Unidos has voted unanimously to send all the help possible to help defend the attacked nation. This will come from all branches of the service.

Greetings Spencertopia. I, Patron and Overlord of Great Helghast formally commit my nation's armed forces to the war against the evils of CM. His reign of terror shall end soon.

OOC:This is just getting into a real slag fest. There is a point in a OOC thread. Please use it. I'm getiing out of this. (sorry to those on my side but I can't be bothered with all these OOC arguments and reading through 11 pages of OOC stuff on the Rp thread.

OOC:This is just getting into a real slag fest. There is a point in a OOC thread. Please use it. I'm getiing out of this. (sorry to those on my side but I can't be bothered with all these OOC arguments and reading through 11 pages of OOC stuff on the Rp thread.
OOC; Its all over anyway

OOC; Its all over anyway
It is, ah well...

OOC: OK, sorry I havent been able to get on, my internet got disconnected.

Communist Mississipi, I do believe that my attack was legitimate, however I will make special adjustments just for you, and this war will be one on one. Are you in agreeance? And my msn is metallic_bananas@hotmail.com .
Let me know if you like the idea, just us, no allies...

bump so you see CM

bump so you see CM


Ah, I thought this here all died out. Oh well, I don't care about this anymore, it's not an issue with anybody else, it's not an issue with me. But if you're hell bent on starting a war with me...

I've been watching this, and I have to say, it's becomming pointless. CM may not have such great civil rights but its gererally a peaceful nation with good intentions. I may not agree with its some of its policies but is basically a good nation.