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IC: CM will agree to the terms mentioned by DPUO that CM will build no munitions factories in her Commonwealth possession in North Africa (Mississippian Egypt and Mississippian Libya)



OOC: The things I do to maintain the peace.

The Dominus applauds the Mississippian governments attempts to keep the peace. But he wonders if this is either a ploy to gain trust or truly sincere. Whatever the case, the New Dominion supports this decision.

OOC: BTW, it isn't because it weakness you, you aren't a threat to Hadula, we are very far away and do not meddle in your affairs, but as a step towards peace with DPUO.

There were as you recall other conditions, the first not directly applicable to you.

One is that the Parthians will not construct similar facilities for construction of armaments within their North African territory, and that if they do construct them, they will not ship arms to Communist Mississippi from those facilities via the border between the two colonies.

Two is that any facilities in the areas must be destroyed.

Once this is agreed, there can be peace.

There were as you recall other conditions, not directly applicable to you.

One is that the Parthians will not construct similar facilities for construction of armaments, and that if they do construct them, they will not ship arms to Communist Mississippi from those facilities.

Two is that any facilities in the areas must be destroyed.

Once this is agreed, there can be peace.



"We already have a few facilities in ME and ML, and to destroy them would unemploy thousands. There are only a total of six facilities and we feel this number is insignificant. We don't feel our people should have to suffer unemployment because of your lack of reason. We are willing to be reasonable and not build the planned 100 facilities, so you must be reasonable." Paul Stahlecker

The facilities existing must produce nothing heavier than 14.5mm calibre. No WMDs may be produced at these facilities. Nor may any weapons. Note that WMDs equals nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.

[Secret TG to CM]
You may build weapon factories in my lands.

The facilities existing must produce nothing heavier than 14.5mm calibre. No WMDs may be produced at these facilities. Nor may any weapons. Note that WMDs equals nuclear, biological or chemical weapons.
The Dominion is starting to grow weary of your demands. Give them a little lenience. While we do not support nuclear proliferation, we do think they should be able to create weapons for defense sake, in case of jams and such that cannot be repaired.

OOC: This is fucking ludicrous. I will not let CM simply do what the hell he wants, no matter what people think of it.

The Dominion is starting to grow weary of your demands. Give them a little lenience. While we do not support nuclear proliferation, we do think they should be able to create weapons for defense sake, in case of jams and such that cannot be repaired.

.........*shakes head*

[Secret TG to CM]
You may build arms plans in my lands.


Secret Reply: No thank you, we don't really absolutely need to make weapons in ME and ML. We have thousands of factories in Mississippi and our North America Commonwealth nations, we also have a few dozen in Western Sahara. We're fine. Thank you. Besides, we don't believe in secretly skirting agreements and treaties.


Occ: A man's word must be worth something. :D

Achtung, CM. Will you agree to that or not?

.........*shakes head*
OOC: Was that OOC or IC? And I am only doing this because the current governmetn would, its completely IC.

OOC: Was that OOC or IC? And I am only doing this because the current governmetn would, its completely IC.

OOC: OOC mostly, because that didn't make sense.

IC: You fail to understand what restrictions are in place.

We applaud CM for all that he has given up in the name of maintaining peace.

Yes. It is good to see that CM understands that there are certain boundaries that we will not cross.

OOC: Hey CM, get replying! Me short on time!

Yes. It is good to see that CM understands that there are certain boundaries that we will not cross.

OOC: Hey CM, get replying! Me short on time!


Ic: Fine deal

Occ: I'm talking to my mother on the phone, I've told you that over messenger. I rarely talk to her. So shut up and leave me alone.

OOC: GAWD!! Apologies man.

"Weak! Pathetic! I had expected as much from such insignificants, and now I see I am right."

"Do not give in to those other apes who would treat you like the swine you are. You humans deserve only that treatment from truely superior races!"

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Ooc: I'm back.

Ic: Fine we agree, no WMDs, nothing too fancy. Just the typical munitions for tanks, planes, helicopters, guns, artillery, ships, etc. Nothing fancy, all conventional.

I said none above 14.5mm calibre. Do you have difficulty understanding this? Fourteen point five millimetre calibre small-arms ammunition, maximum. In this way, you cannot turn these areas into fortified arsenals for a strike.

Of course, you could keep the ability to make all the conventional arms you want, if you reduce your armed forces in the area to the level of BiA units in Libya.

"Do not give in to thier unreasonable threats, fool!"

"You have little enough respect from Mekanta, being mere Terrans, but to give in will brand you a nation of cowards for all times!"

"Should you wish help, I have authorized UPEC to assist. General Akai is recovering nicely from the wound inflicted by your leader's son, but can command situations from behind the lines until he has fully recovered."

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Kindly stay out of it. Your proclamations are both meaningless and needless at this time.

Anyway. CM has the following options:

Manufacture at the existing arms plants of no munition of any type other than conventional powder-based ammunitions, of calibre 14.5mm calibre. Regular supply shipments, of the same average gross tonnage and number of ships as was the case prior to this incident, to be allowed.

Retention of the ability to make all the conventional arms that CM desires at these plants, if you reduce your armed forces in the area to the level of BiA units in Libya.

I said none above 14.5mm calibre. Do you have difficulty understanding this? Fourteen point five millimetre calibre small-arms ammunition, maximum. In this way, you cannot turn these areas into fortified arsenals for a strike.

Of course, you could keep the ability to make all the conventional arms you want, if you reduce your armed forces in the area to the level of BiA units in Libya.



IC: "Fine we won't produce anything too big to scare you pansies." Paul Stahlecker.


Ooc: Fortified camp? What do you think it is? ME and ML are two of the most heavily fortified areas in the world! They're like 1000 times larger than the Maginot line, except they will likely work! I mean we've spent 100s of billions on the border defenses, the mines, the walls, bunkers, trenches, AT-ditches, SAM sites, radar, etc. I mean these places are massive! There is little else to be done.

The Benevolent Dictatorship of Gurian has a potential solution which might be good for both parties involved. A buffer zone would be created between the two territories. Neither side is allowed to enter this buffer zone. Military personnel from Gurian would be stationed there. Should either side attempt to invade the other, we would step in and assist in defense.

Both sides would be fairly safe from each other in this situation. A quick background check should indicate that Gurian is capable of eliminating either side if it becomes necessary. Hence, the actions of a third party will be what will maintain the peace.

Of course, nothing in life is free. In exchange, Gurian would be given rights to establish military bases. These bases would be an important strategic asset to us and would enable us to further our military reach and resupply much farther from Gurian.

Would this be an acceptable alternative?

Your must agree formally to one of the two options. Please agree using the mouth of someone not of the Stahlecker of Mladic families, else we will not recognise that there is ratification.

Kindly stay out of it. Your proclamations are both meaningless and needless at this time.

Anyway. CM has the following options:

Manufacture at the existing arms plants of no munition of any type other than conventional powder-based ammunitions, of calibre 14.5mm calibre. Regular supply shipments, of the same average gross tonnage and number of ships as was the case prior to this incident, to be allowed.

Retention of the ability to make all the conventional arms that CM desires at these plants, if you reduce your armed forces in the area to the level of BiA units in Libya.


IC: "We will ship the exact same tonnage as previously. We may alter what we ship though, but it will come out in the same tonnage." Paul Stahlecker.

Ooc: We're going to stop shipping rations, food, water, medical equipment, etc. That will all be purchased on the foreign market in the region and brought into ME and ML. We're going to give contracts for all non-weaponry shipments to other nations, so they provide them.

Your must agree formally to one of the two options. Please agree using the mouth of someone not of the Stahlecker of Mladic families, else we will not recognise that there is ratification.


"We agree not to produce big scary calibers because we know your kind are naturally scared by such weaponry." Vladimir Markovic, defense minister.

While we would be happy for Gurian to undertake this, we must nonetheless insist that no munitions production facilities beyond those already existing be constructed as per previous agreement.

Please construct a reply not using marked terms or if possible adjectives. In other words, a formal legal reply. You load of worthless Nazis. See? Two can throw insults.

If you decided to utilize our arrangement, Gurian would be able to protect both sides from the threats of munitions. Hence the factory elimination would be entirely irrelevant.

I am not in any way certain of this. For our own peace of mind and to ensure the safety of the region, I must continue to insist that this previous clause be maintained if the Gurian plan is accepted.

The Benevolent Dictatorship of Gurian has decided to allow both sides to negotiate the issue, and will accept their decision. The Gurian buffer zone option is still on the table, though.

We appreciate the good intent of Gurian, and the flexibility of your approach, most heartily.

Quick alteration: The phrase "gross tonnage" be replaced by "net mass of cargo."

Parthia already has 10 Armaments factories operating in Parthian Egypt, producing such things as M1-A2 tanks or ammunition. We do not use Soviet calibers or weapons and thus our products are rather useless to CM.

Parthia already has 10 Armaments factories operating in Parthian Egypt, producing such things as M1-A2 tanks or ammunition. We do not use Soviet calibers or weapons and thus our products are rather useless to CM.


Ooc- We don't use many soviet calibers either. All our artillery is South African or USA, all our tanks are Soviet, all our BMPS are NATO or Soviet. All our small arms are NATO.

Well Parthia, if you would agree not to sell them to him across the border?

"Weak! Pathetic! I had expected as much from such insignificants, and now I see I am right."

"Do not give in to those other apes who would treat you like the swine you are. You humans deserve only that treatment from truely superior races!"

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OOC: Why do you keep coming on to people's threads and posting hackneyed and irrelevant 'ape' comments on the human race? It's stupid and annoying. At least reduce your huge signature.

At least we avoided nuclear war.

ooc: Havn't got the time to write out a full government reply, but anyway, I will support DPUO.

OOC: Sevaris: yes, we did. For the moment anyway. I'd give it four days before he tries it on with me again and tests my willpower.

IC: Momanguise: We are thankful to Momanguise for their support, but do not tie yourselves to us if you do not wish to.

OOC: Why do you keep coming on to people's threads and posting hackneyed and irrelevant 'ape' comments on the human race? It's stupid and annoying. At least reduce your huge signature.

-OOC-
Most of those comments are relevant. Read a bit closer. Calling CM weak for bending to DPUO. The "ape" thing is IC. Mekanta doesn't see Humans as being worth any more than dog crap. Just my form of foreign relations. Excuse me for being in character on an IC board. <_<

And the Kuroi bit is no larger, vertically, than some of the "signature" bits attached to some other messages. It's just all of that is image since I was lazy and put the obligatory "under-image-who-said-it-what-they-do" inside the image itself. Short answer to your request: No.

Wonderful man, but is it really necessary?

Greenmanbry, as usual, supports DPUO in his efforts to stop the psychotic dictatorship of Communist Mississippi, yet we also applaud the latter's flexibility and his agreement with any set regulations to avoid armed conflict.

Wonderful man, but is it really necessary?

-OOC-
The IC comments or the picture?

The comments. The pic's really good, I think :)

-OOC-
The comments are just Mekanta's way of dealing with so-called inferiors. Even if they're complimenting a human, they'll insult them. Telling CM not to submit to DPUO = Calling them weak for not standing thier ground.

I can start providing translations if that'll help. ^_^

Ah, shaddup :p

Well Parthia, if you would agree not to sell them to him across the border?

We will sell him no arms across the border.

Most obliging of you. There. All is well.