NationStates Jolt Archive

The projects are canceled.
Start 1999
Canceled 2004


Dreadnought (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/spacemarines/catalog/spacewolves/images/dreadnought.gif)
Height: 20 Feet Tall
Width: 10 Feet
Weight: 10 Tons
Armor:
Engine: 2 WIA-SUP-DEL V-12 super charged diesel engine
Crew: 2 (pilot and gunner)
Armament: 6 shot grenade launcher on the right arm & Close Combat hydraulic claw on the left hand & 3 Missile launcher above the cockpit & 2 smoke dischargers on the back
Other: Laser rangefinder and optional thermal sight


The USWA need some type of armor that will stop a 155 mm gun shell. The money that the USWA need to finish this project is 90 billion. Plus the nations that fund this project will get one free.


Sentinel (http://us.games-workshop.com/games/40k/imperialguard/catalog/images/ig_sentinal.gif)
Height: 15 Feet Tall
Width: 5 Feet
Weight: 6 Tons
Armor:
Engine: V12-cylinder turbo charged diesel engine
Crew: 1
Armament: A 120mm gun on the right arm
Other: Optional thermal sight

The USWA need some type of armor that will stop a 120 mm gun shell. The money that the USWA need to finish this project is 45 billion. Plus the nations that fund this project will get two free.

Both project have been funded by JJR & The Black Wolvies. So, we don't not need any more money.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

May we suggest working with the Attican Empire with this technology to make your engine?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349652

May we suggest working with the Attican Empire with this technology to make your engine?

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349652

I will check it out.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

The USWA has the skeleton of both protypes build. We need an engine and armor for the Dreadnought and the Sentinel only needs armor.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

You don't have to donate alot of money. We will take 250 million(OOC: Lowest) or higher.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

Calling all future tech nations.

We do not need an engine for the Dreadnought, now.
Wolf Inc. Auto is designing a new diesel engine that will be powerful to move the Dreadnought. It will take about year(OOC: on day for this post.) to make.


-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

We will fully fund both of these projects.

The Holy empire of the Black Wolvies will donate 30 billion on the Werewolf Dreadnought.

My Budget (http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?region=Antarctic&nation=the%20Black%20Wolvies)

High Pope John Paul Wolf IV

JJR & The Black Wolvies,

The United States like you for the money to fund both project.
JJR, you will get one Dreadnought & two Sentinel after they are done.
The Black Wolvies, you will get one Dreadnought after they are done.

All the USWA need is some type of armor that is listed.
For the Dreadnought: something that will stop a 155 mm gun shell.
For the Sentinel: something that will stop a 120 mm gun shell.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

I would be willing to invest in some Werewolf Dreadnoughts. But how are you going to acquire a fatally wounded hero to pilot these behemoths?

I would be willing to invest in some Dreadnoughts. But how are you going to acquire a fatally wounded hero to pilot these behemoths?

You can some when I start to sale them later on.
What?

We have all the money to fund both project. Don't need any more.
My people are added the hydraulics on both now.

We don't know when we will finish both project. Maybe two to three years to added everything to both mechs.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

My people have finish put on the hydraulics put can only test one of them, Green Ghost Sentinel.

The test was good.
We first test if it could walk. It walk abot 50 feet and stop on big x onthe floor.
Next we tested if it could walk up 45 degree slope. The test was good that we tested on 60 degree slope. It test fine.
The last test was if the legs would hold together when the gun was fire.
The test was good. The gun fire and the legs held together.

When Wolf Inc. Auto finish the engine, we will test it.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

If you need weapons to mount on your mechs, i am developing a railgun that fires 10-inch metal slugs at 10,000 miles per hour, but the prototype we have now literally melts after 2 shots. if we could place one of your mechs, and see how it preforms with liquid coolant, would you be willing to pay us, say... 20 million if the test is succsessful? we would give you more of these as soon as we can produce more of the finished products after we have worked all the bugs out. If the test does not work, we wil supply you with infantry weapons for 1/2 of a year, free of charge. Do we have a deal?

If you need weapons to mount on your mechs, i am developing a railgun that fires 10-inch metal slugs at 10,000 miles per hour, but the prototype we have now literally melts after 2 shots. if we could place one of your mechs, and see how it preforms with liquid coolant, would you be willing to pay us, say... 20 million if the test is succsessful? we would give you more of these as soon as we can produce more of the finished products after we have worked all the bugs out. If the test does not work, we wil supply you with infantry weapons for 1/2 of a year, free of charge. Do we have a deal?

We don't need weapons.
We have them already.
Dreadnought has this: 6 shot grenade launcher on the right arm & Close Combat hydraulic claw on the left hand & 3 Missile launcher above the cockpit & 2 smoke dischargers on the back
Sentinel has this: A 120mm gun on the right arm


-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

a railgun couldnt hurt, could it? it would rip other mechs to shreds :p and blow infantrymen in half... besides, if you DO try the railgun and it fails.. you get infantry weapons for FREE for half a year! :eek: (one war) if it does work, you get a couple shipments of them and you give me $20 million U.S dollars so its win-win either way.

OOC:a little overkill never hurt! :D

I dont see the point of mechs myself. They are less mobile, more vulnerable, slower, more fuel intensive, harder to construct, harder to repair, more expensive and present a higher profile than tanks.

true, true but mechs ummm... errr.... okay jeez mechs suck. hey ive got an idea! ill make a tank with a railgun as its main turret... that would be great. it would cut tanks like warm knife thru butter! do you want to fund that project, prae? i would give you a whole battalion of them if you did. of course, i'd need money, scientists, metal, engineers... good deal, eh?

Hmm... Im not sure if tank mounted railguns are modern tech. You can do them on ships because ships have massive engines, but tanks... I'll have to get back to you.

a railgun couldnt hurt, could it? it would rip other mechs to shreds :p and blow infantrymen in half... besides, if you DO try the railgun and it fails.. you get infantry weapons for FREE for half a year! :eek: (one war) if it does work, you get a couple shipments of them and you give me $20 million U.S dollars so its win-win either way.

OOC:a little overkill never hurt! :D

No deal.

I dont see the point of mechs myself. They are less mobile, more vulnerable, slower, more fuel intensive, harder to construct, harder to repair, more expensive and present a higher profile than tanks.

We know there more vulnerable. That is why we are trying to find stong armor.
For the Dreadnought: something that will stop a 155 mm gun shell.
For the Sentinel: something that will stop a 120 mm gun shell.
How are the harder to repair? There are bigger than tank, so easy to repair part.
We know there more expensive than tanks.
Wolf Inc. sale there top tank for $15,000,000. When or if the USWA start to sale the mechs are price will be $15,000,000,000 for the Dreadnought and $5,000,000,000 for the Sentinel.
On the higher profile, the Dreadnought is only 20 feet tall and the Sentinel is only 15 feet tall.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

The Republic of Derion will be willing to help in the funding of the mech-projects WD and GGS models. 1.5 million will be the starting pledge, but that number may be increased in the future.
Also if need be Derion would be willing to provide Sensory and Satellite uplink equipment for the Mechs if need be.
However, if this project is unsatisfactory, Derion would like some form of compensation. Nothing more than another mech given to Derion. That is again, if this project is a failure.

The Republic of Derion will be willing to help in the funding of the mech-projects WD and GGS models. 1.5 million will be the starting pledge, but that number may be increased in the future.
Also if need be Derion would be willing to provide Sensory and Satellite uplink equipment for the Mechs if need be.

We don't need anymore money.
JJR & The Black Wolvies have funded both projects.

And about the equipment, the USWA has the all the equipment it needs.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

We know there more vulnerable. That is why we are trying to find stong armor.
For the Werewolf Dreadnought: something that will stop a 155 mm gun shell.
For the Green Ghost Sentinel: something that will stop a 120 mm gun shell.
How are the harder to repair? There are bigger than tank, so easy to repair part.
We know there more expensive than tanks.
Wolf Inc. sale there top tank for $15,000,000. When or if the USWA start to sale the mechs are price will be $15,000,000,000 for the Werewolf and $5,000,000,000.
On the higher profile, the Werewolf is only 20 feet tall and the Green Ghost is only 15 feet tall.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

They are harder to repair due to the complex hyraudics etc that are required for the legs, which are inherently unstable. For $5bn I could outfit an entire army with Abrams, but if you want to do this then go ahead, I wont hyjack.

They are harder to repair due to the complex hyraudics etc that are required for the legs, which are inherently unstable. For $5bn I could outfit an entire army with Abrams, but if you want to do this then go ahead, I wont hyjack.

Ok.
I was just asking.

Wolf Inc. Auto has finished the engine change the WIA-SUP-DEL V-12 super charged diesel engine that has 3,000 horsepower. My people are put it in the protype engine in the protype skeleton of the Dreadnought.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

Are people have found out the we need more power to run the Dreadnought. So, Wolf Inc.Auto is building another engine.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

Why, ICly, are you developing mecha? They are inherently inferrior to tanks in every concivible way, unless you happen to be planning to fight a protracted campaign on Giant Stair World(and even then, grav tanks would work better).

And not only that, but to be frank, those mecha are pretty poorly designed. And what the hell is up with putting a claw weapon on a fricken armoured vehicle? :wtf:

The Avadrian MGPs are more realistic in my opinion. Mainly to be used as a quick strike or tank support vehicle. I know they really aren;t feasible... but what are you going to do. Might as well have them seem plausible though. http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=349715

Why, ICly, are you developing mecha? They are inherently inferrior to tanks in every concivible way, unless you happen to be planning to fight a protracted campaign on Giant Stair World(and even then, grav tanks would work better).

And not only that, but to be frank, those mecha are pretty poorly designed. And what the hell is up with putting a claw weapon on a fricken armoured vehicle? :wtf:

Because we can. And to use them where tanks or trucks can't.
The claw is for pick up tanks and destroy them.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

Because we can. And to use them where tanks or trucks can't.
The claw is for pick up tanks and destroy them.

-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

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You can't be seri.... No one's that stu...

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Ok, I think I can manage a serious reply; first of all, there is pretty much no where that mecha can go that tanks and trucks can't, and in fact, the comparativly small feet result in mecha having a higher ground pressuer, which means that they'll sink more readily and deeper into soft ground. Also, there are already viable combat platforms(of which a mecha is not) for dealing with such terrain types; they're called 'infantry', 'powered armour', 'hydrofoils', and 'hellicopter gunships'.


As for the claw... um, if you can get close enough to use it without being blown away by said tank, or said tank driving away('cause, yaknow, tracks and wheels are a more efficent form of locomotion than walking, and hence inherently faster), it's probally already dead.

There's a really good reason that folks don't carry swords, knives, and polearms into battle anymore; it's called a 'gun', and it can kill you just as dead at a few hundred meters range as your mechanical claw can at point blank.


Really, if you use these things in battle against a compotent enemy, your forces will be brutally raped.

Mechs can be good for zero-grav boarding... but they suck beyond that.

Mechs can be good for zero-grav boarding... but they suck beyond that.

Who the heck builds ships with 20 foot high corridors?

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Ok, I think I can manage a serious reply; first of all, there is pretty much no where that mecha can go that tanks and trucks can't, and in fact, the comparativly small feet result in mecha having a higher ground pressuer, which means that they'll sink more readily and deeper into soft ground. Also, there are already viable combat platforms(of which a mecha is not) for dealing with such terrain types; they're called 'infantry', 'powered armour', 'hydrofoils', and 'hellicopter gunships'.


As for the claw... um, if you can get close enough to use it without being blown away by said tank, or said tank driving away('cause, yaknow, tracks and wheels are a more efficent form of locomotion than walking, and hence inherently faster), it's probally already dead.

There's a really good reason that folks don't carry swords, knives, and polearms into battle anymore; it's called a 'gun', and it can kill you just as dead at a few hundred meters range as your mechanical claw can at point blank.


Really, if you use these things in battle against a compotent enemy, your forces will be brutally raped.

First of all, we are not going to build that many of them. We are maybe going to make about 30 of each for special reason.

If you had read the first post, you want know that we are trying to find armor that could stop a 155mm shell. So, they could get a hold of a tank and destroy it.


-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

First of all, we are not going to build that many of them. We are maybe going to make about 30 of each for special reason.

If you had read the first post, you want know that we are trying to find armor that could stop a 155mm shell. So, they could get a hold of a tank and destroy it.

Plus the Green Ghost is like a scout.


-Minister of Technology
Professor Jack F. Freeman

So put that armour on a tank; it'll be more effective. I won't even get into why a tank gets you more protection value than a mecha for a given amount of armour.

As for the close combat claw, for the love of god, man, it's a really dumb idea; if you can stop a 155mm shell, good for you. The tank'll fire off a few more and call in air or infantry support to gib you with anti-tank rockets while you're trying to get close, then if you survive long enough to get close, it'll only just drive away faster than you can run, while still firing at you. Give it a(nother?) ranged anti-tank weapon instead, or scrap it completly and save weight/cost(not that it'll do much good; mecha are an inherently flawed design concept).

I've been trying real hard not to insult your inteligence, but are you like 12 or something? 'cause I know we've got some folks RPing here in that age group.

BTW, light blue text isn't very visible on the white forum background.

Hey, I'm turning 14 >.<

Anyway, I just meant for making an entrance. Send a mech out and you can rip open huge holes in ships. Unless it runs on some crappy diesel engine. He also claims that Raven Corps has better genetic creations compared to. Psah, I say!

Yeah,actually.Mecha aren't the best for scouting.They're large,easily noticeble,and pretty much dead against small units like infantry or aerial units like bombers. If you want to go for scouting puposes,try THIS (http://www.solaris7.com/images/TRO/BattleArmor/Gray%20Death%20Legion%20BA-Merc.jpg) kind of scout.Armored normally,but still saves speed.Small enough to not be noticed by tanks,aircraft,etc. The only real danger is snipers. I'm developing these kind of suits right now.

EDIT: Or if you want assault mecha you could try somthing like THIS (http://www.solaris7.com/Images/Art/FSInfiltratorMkII.jpg).You could use that arm cannon or something to take care of pesky infantry and use an anti-tank rifle to destroy tanks.Bigger than the previous one,but much less noticable than mecha.

Basicly, mechs really become tactically unsound beyond the scale of powered armour. At this size, they can pack decent armour against small arms and machine guns, while baing able to make use of cover like an infantryman, and not drawing anti-armoured vechicle fire, which will kill any mecha befor it would a tank(not even factoring in a mecha's larger target profile; why do you think all modern tanks are so squat?).

Correct.

Also,instead of using mecha at all,you could use a hover/laser tank (http://www.dune2k.com/image.php?image=/emperor/units/ordos/O-LaserTank-Big.jpg) for these purposes.Very fast(Because it uses the forces of gravity to "push" itself forward,backwards,side...wards)and it can use the laser for devastating effects(Anyone who has played EBFD will agree with me).Its basicall a hit-n-run vehicle and can probably decimate a mecha even before it shoots off a round!
:mp5:

How about you use a normal tank (which isn't as vulnerable as a hovertank), give it a 140mm ETC and give it SCRAMjet rounds. Probably about the same in development costs, but it will:

a) Actually be accepted in NS. Pretty much everyone accepts the Doujin and that uses both ETCs and SCRAMjet rounds.

b) Actually gives you an advantage over a run-of-the-mill Abrams.

Mecha were made up for sci-fi comics because they look cool, not because they are actually useful in a modern or post-modern battlefield.

Yes,but the normal tank is much slower :/ .With the hover tank,its just like switch it on,turned the gravity thingie in the opposite direction of where you want to go and ZOOM! You're off!

And this is future tech,and Doujin is modern,right?

If this is futuretech why are you wasting your time with hovertanks and mechs run on deisel engines? Anyway a hovertank can be destroyed with a 0.50cal machinegun and they arent that fast.

I'm wasting my time because A) It raises my post count :D and B ) Mechs and hovertanks are generally accepted to be futuretech and I'm...just giving insight,I guess.
About the hovertank thing: Yes,they aren't THAT fast,but they are significantly faster than tracked tanks.Also,they're not meant to be near 50.cal chainguns. They're meant for hit-n-run attacks on armor,such as mecha and noral tanks.

So you mean they do well provided:

1) There are no infantry

2) There is no artillery support (long range top-attack submunitions etc)

3) The tanks are in a heavily wooded environment without any sensors.

I'll stick with tanks.

What I meant by the future tech remark is that if you're future tech you can use grav-tanks which are faster and better armoured than hovertanks (hovertanks are possible now, but we dont use them because they arent very good) and mecha (well I would argue they're pointless anyway but...) should have fusion powerplants and railguns or something in future tech.

Hovertanks,gravtanks.Its all the same to me :p
But if you insist about the gravtanks being more effective...so be it! I will refer to what I call the hovertanks gravtanks now!

Ah now if you use gravtanks I will ignore you. I'm assuming this thread is modern tech, as he turned down the use of a railgun and they are insanely expensive, plus most future tech nations would just assume they have mechs.

I think you'd ignore me anyway,as I am already a future tech nation with starships and stuff. :p

We have weapons better than Mechs; Biomech Evangelions. Trouble is that they're feral and as such are only used in defence. Very few are usable for offence but they are extremely powerful.

Ive got it! A better use for mechs! Loading! Assembling things. That claw can be used for picking up heavy machinery and equipment. Then just make sure you outfit the other arm with tools of some sort. Of course we are talking construction on your massive ships, nothing small obviously.

It is pre-future tech.

Plus just think the size of the 6 shot grenade launcher. If one grenade hits something, think of the of the destory power of it.

I like the idea Derion has. I could be used for picking up heavy machinery and equipment.

Plus, I'm not going to send them to the frontline. They well be at base.


And one more thing, don't hijack my thread.

The project is canceled. JJR & the BW will get want they funded. Protype of both mechs.