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The alarian defence forces have been authorized with the growing size of the nation to creat an airforce. All aircraft must meet the following qualifications.

Because of the lack of open ground, the aircraft must be a true VTOL aircraft, as many landing sites will be in tight crevices and canyons, and none will be paved runways.

The plane must offer ease of maintance when in the field as many would be otherwise unservicable should serious issues arrise due to remote locations.

It must also be able to match in combat any aircraft currently flying. Range is unimportant provided it is sufficient to defend this nation against airborn threats. It must have anti missile capabilities as well as limited anti ground capabilities.

Our nation does not, and will not keep a standing peace time army short of the mandatoy training for all citizens so you can see the importance we are placing on this project.

A contract will be rewarded for 2000 planes, after which production will be moved inhouse.

Asgardian Warcraft INC. Would like to build an aircraft to your needs.

Asgardian F-64 Jump Condor
Manufacturer:Asgardian Warcraft INC.
Country of Origin: Inkana
Powerplant:1 11,000lb SNECMA M53-P2 Turbofan
Thrust:40,000lbs
Maxium Speed: a bit over Mach 1
Maxium Celing 60,185 ft.
Length:47ft
Armament:2 AIM-9 Sidewinders 6AIM-120 AMRAAM
Maxium Payload capibility:up to 7,000 lbs Including bombs, ATS missiles, fuel tanks, napalm, cluster bombs etc, etc.

Cost: $30,000 (very cheap for a VTOL of this caliber)

Is there any pictures of the aircraft?

Nope, I just made it up.

I think you mean 30 million.

whoops, yeah 30 mil

Well. The Republic of Nireva would be interested, if there would be pictures of the aircraft.. We'll wait for them.

Asgardian Warcraft INC. Would like to build an aircraft to your needs.

Asgardian F-64 Jump Condor
Manufacturer:Asgardian Warcraft INC.
Country of Origin: Inkana
Powerplant:1 11,000lb SNECMA M53-P2 Turbofan
Thrust:40,000lbs
Maxium Speed: a bit over Mach 1
Maxium Celing 60,185 ft.
Length:47ft
Armament:2 AIM-9 Sidewinders 6AIM-120 AMRAAM
Maxium Payload capibility:up to 7,000 lbs Including bombs, ATS missiles, fuel tanks, napalm, cluster bombs etc, etc.

Cost: $30,000 (very cheap for a VTOL of this caliber)

Does this plane have a proven performance record, or is this one that would need research and development.

Asgardian Warcraft builds to suit your particular needs. So yes it will ned research and developement.

We will fund the research and production of 5 of these aircraft as step one of testing.. however this is not a promice of a full order should a better qualified candidate appear.

-your 5 prototypes have been shipped-

*takes delivery of the aircraft, her engeneers proceed to take apart two of them peice by peice, then reassemble one of them, the rest of them are put through a series of intence acrobatic tests, flights through several canyons at high speeds that are both straight and twisted, and vtol landing in pits 20-30 meters deep with uneven bottoms and only a few feet of clearance on either side through the entire decent in sunny, storming and high wind conditions

ooc) i will let you determine if any of the planes crash.. mind you, my pilots are not military veterans.. but they are highly expererienced civilian pilots and are familiar with flying in the mountains and places the planes are being tested.. and they are pushing these planes to their limits.. These trials are mainly to test the responcivness and ruggedness of the planes.. also.. if the 4th plane was put together again correctly, their are 4 planes, not 3.. a crashed plane would not end the deal, but perhaps show a shortcomming that either would have to be overcome or trained for..

Very...Interesting. You deffinatly want a top-quality aircraft

The Evil Empire of Akaton has exactly the aircraft you need. The Reaper Class Wingless VTOL is powerful and easy to maintian. Most parts are modular, and can be replaced within twenty minutes. Though we normally charge 75 million per aircraft, we will offer a discount price of 50 million. Lastly, if the railguns are too advanced for your nation's tech level, they can be replaced by armor piercing conventional cannons.

XH-76 Reaper Class Wingless VTOL:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v379/DraconisX13/ReaperVTOL.bmp
Length: 12 meters
Width: 3 meters
Engines: Single vertically oriented turbojet vented through rotating, side-mounted thrust nozzels.
Maximum Speed: 874 Kph
Maximum altitude: 10,000 meters
Maximum Range: 7500 Kilometers
Armor: Titanium composite with optional nano fibre thermal/laser disipation systems.
Electronics: 1) Ground scanning thermal imaging system.
2) Standard multi-frequency radar (easy to upgrade)
3) Standard ECM (easy to upgrade)
Weaponry: 1) Two 40mm light rail guns on rotating forward mounts.
2) Hardpoints on underside capable of holding 500Kg of missiles,
bombs, torpedos, or additional gun mounts.
Cost Per Aircraft: US$ 50,000,000

Sorry to shoot you down, but a wingless aircraft is close to impossible. Wings are what determine planes from Rockets. So unless you have one heck of a big tailspan i doubt that your plane will be meneuvering those canyons.

Sorry to shoot you down, but a wingless aircraft is close to impossible. Wings are what determine planes from Rockets. So unless you have one heck of a big tailspan i doubt that your plane will be meneuvering those canyons.

1. "Lifting Bodies (http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/martin_x-24.pl)"
2. A rocket is a just a type of engine and there is no reason why an aircraft couldn't be rocket powered. In fact, there have been rocket powered planes. The X-1 (http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/x-1_1stss.pl), is just one notable example, as is the X-24 and the X-15 (http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/x-15_hyper.pl). There are probably dozens of other rocket planes, and I'm pretty sure the Germans were playing with the idea as early as WW2.
3. Tails aren't really needed either. Thrust vectoring (http://www.globalaircraft.org/planes/x-31_efmd.pl) does the job just as well.
As you can see, they are blatently possible. Certainly more so than magical new metals which bear no relation to actual science.

Very...Interesting. You deffinatly want a top-quality aircraft

What good is a vehicle that will not survive and perform in the conditions it will face daily..

Inkana, we shall move onto phaze 2 testing, for which we will purchase an aditional 21 planes since all 4 seemed to survive. I hope you can stand by your design as we would request that you put them to use in live fire demenstration against todays primary fighter craft. We will, of cource, pay for the purchasing of up to 30 such aircraft... Any that survive stage 2 you may keep afterwords... We would not have the airfield to support or bace them from.. One requested change however, is the replacement of the Aim 9, or some of the Aim 120 Missiles with Aim-54 pheonix Missiles..

Akaton, we request 5 of your unusual.. aircraft in order to begin phaze one testing.

Agreed, 5 of our aircraft will be delivered shortly.

As for how it changes direction, the side mounted jet exhausts have vectored thrust nozzels and a number of secondary thrusters. Also, there is a variable position tail rotor to add stability. It is primarily useful at lower altitudes, as it loses maneuverability and speed at high altitude. Think of it as an extremely advanced version of an attack helicopter.

EDIT: Sorry if the maneuvering thrusters were hard to see in the picture. It lost a lot of detail when I scanned it.

I'd vouch for Akaton. He's knows most of his stuff.

ATTENTION: New country in the market for major military forces. We have a large mountain to climb. Money is no object we borrow from the United states with no intention of paying them back.
ZeGermans are back and we need top of the line military equipment... thank you.
-The managment :sniper: :upyours:

P.S. I would like to state that i am not a Nazi and i have 3 Jewish countires in my region... we are against Nut picking forest dwelling squirels and we use them and there ecconomy to build our monuments. We eslave the frolicking people of Mame Land. :gundge:

Agreed, 5 of our aircraft will be delivered shortly.

As for how it changes direction, the side mounted jet exhausts have vectored thrust nozzels and a number of secondary thrusters. Also, there is a variable position tail rotor to add stability. It is primarily useful at lower altitudes, as it loses maneuverability and speed at high altitude. Think of it as an extremely advanced version of an attack helicopter.

EDIT: Sorry if the maneuvering thrusters were hard to see in the picture. It lost a lot of detail when I scanned it.

AH!!! We were wondering how such a craft would function and manuever.. provided they should complete phaze 2 of testing sufficiently.. we will offer the contract we were concidering for attack helecopters then for these craft.

While our nation is not familiar with rail gun technology, if you could provide information on what it is, and a brief training session to our engineers, it would be easy to adapt..

As you requested 21 Aircraft have been delivered, and most of the AIM-120's were replaced with AIM-54(although i don't see why a VTOL aircraft needs a missile with a 100+ mile range) I hope they meet your standards in Phase 2. (but it seems that you like Akaton's design better, bah!)

As you requested 21 Aircraft have been delivered, and most of the AIM-120's were replaced with AIM-54(although i don't see why a VTOL aircraft needs a missile with a 100+ mile range) I hope they meet your standards in Phase 2. (but it seems that you like Akaton's design better, bah!)

The pheonix missile has limited in flight reprogramming, so it could be retargeted if nessessary, speed of flight is a concideration.. as were several strategic and tactical conciderations.. and we are impressed with your design, Akatons aircraft is much more suited for a helecoptor role per information recieved from him, not the air superiority/intercept role that yours is being wanted for. As things stand, should no flaw in the combat capabilities of either craft be discovered you will both be shortly awarded contracts.

Have you also secured the planes that they are going to be used against in combat trials?

Alarian pilots prepare the 25 planes for engagement against the test force, and launch, patroling alarian airspace, getting more familiar with them while waiting for the approaching test.. their pattern is scattered and widespread..

Engineers begin to disassemble and reassemble the prototype wingless craft, as other pilots test their manuverability and vtol capabilities in the tight canyons and crevices of the mountains.

Yes I have secured the planes to be used in combat testing.

Yes I have secured the planes to be used in combat testing.

Well then, engage at will shall you..

sadly, public outcry has changed this from a live fire exersize to a simulated attack by said planes.. so at the end, concider them a gift from our people unless they should slam into a mountain of cource..

Untill the outcome of this match, no new proposals are being accepted.

We would be happy to provide information about the function of our railguns. They are our primary cannons, so we can provide many replacement parts if they are needed.

1) A railgun is a gun weapon that fires without gunpowder or other explosive material. It uses an electro-magnet to accelerate the shell it fires to incredible speeds. Though most railguns fire solid metal rounds designed to penetrate armor with kinetic energy, they can be modified to fire explosive shells. In order to fire, it requires a large amount of electricity to power the electro-magnet. As such, it is dificult to mount a railgun on a vehicle not specificly designed to carry this weapon.

2) Maintaining a railgun is a simple task, as the only moving parts are the ammunition feed mechanism. After each battle in which this weapon is used, it is recomended that the electro-magnets are inspected to be certain that they are correctly aligned. This process requires a sensitive inspection tool which will be shipped along with any purchase of our aircraft. Also, after ten missions, the ammo feed mechanism should be full inspected and cleaned to avoid unreliable opperation.

*nods* our engineers have decided that it would be preffered to keep with proven technologies... should a contract be rewarded, only 1/5th shall be equipped with rail guns.

A more dring test pilot decides to test one of the Reapers by flying through a tunnel leading to one of the nations smaller underground communities, the tunnel is straight, but only 1.5x its width, and 2x its height and continues for a quarter of a mile curious to see if it would survive..

Hmm, interesting. I dont know if it would survive or not. We've never tested the Reaper underground. The only concern I would have is the high power of the jet engines. In a confined space, the engine's exhaust might create a destabilizing air current around the tail rotor and cause the aircraft to hit a wall. If the pilot is skilled enough, this could be kept to a minimum by flying at the center of the tunnel. This would prevent the exhaust gasses from having a higher pressure on one side of the aircraft.

A bit off topic, but i would like to buy a few of these 'Jump Condors' for my nation. I'll take 10 for 300 million.

an alarian pilot would be experienced with turulance and currents/cross currents.. they are a mountain nation afterall.. if that is your only concern.. then unless it has a touchy controle system that doesent lead to overcompensation, or is not an aircraft that turbulance is easily recovered from it should survive it.. if not.. then.. i guess we hope our pilot is lucky enough to survive the ensueing crash and the government lists that as things that should not be done.. at least in the smaller tunnels.

this is a design you use yourself i understand? perhaps i could see copies of its combat record?

The combat record of the Reaper isn't easy to find. Akaton hasn't been involved in any really large scale wars. It's main use was in the destruction of the n00b nation of Ersilia. They were used in dense urban areas to enforce martial law after Jangle Jangle Ridge had conquered them. Unfortunately, there was little organised resistance, and so its armor is largely untested in combat. The only other use was when, during the Lightning Star revolution, General Muhammed turned traitor and stole the squadron of Reapers deployed there. The aircraft proved very effective, but they were destoyed on the ground by a special forces infiltrator.

:o...thats a pretty cool record.

their has been a shft in the government thinking.. phaze 2 tests have been cancelled, both contracts are officially rewarded.. we will take them as quickly as they are able to be delivered.

It's a pretty damned cool aircraft. The ICRC considered them for the fast attack gunship role a while ago, and they performed amazingly well in initial tests, outperforming every competitor. However, we eventually abandoned the purchase due to their large price-tag and opted instead for the old yet more easily mass-produced AH-64 Apache. We're currently looking into the new Comanche AH-66.

Not to steal sales from Akaton, but I suggest also looking into the AH-66, with the Reaper as a special unit (Due to costs, of course. The Reaper is in all ways superior to the AH-66, excluding the AH-66's stealth capabilities).

their has been a shft in the government thinking.. phaze 2 tests have been cancelled, both contracts are officially rewarded.. we will take them as quickly as they are able to be delivered.

Excellent. Asgardian WarCraft wil have your aircraft finished in 1 NS years(1 RL day)

Inkana, thankyou, payment in full is on its way.

Industrial Experiment, only the best is acceptable to this government, cost, is not a concideration.

I have secured a picture of the Jump Condor. Complete with Inkanan Markings. http://giantkiller54.250free.com/JumpCondor.jpg

their has been a shft in the government thinking.. phaze 2 tests have been cancelled, both contracts are officially rewarded.. we will take them as quickly as they are able to be delivered.

We will ship half of the order of Reapers immediately, though the other half must be produced first. They will be available within 1 or 2 RL days.

*nods* our engineers have decided that it would be preffered to keep with proven technologies... should a contract be rewarded, only 1/5th shall be equipped with rail guns.

A more dring test pilot decides to test one of the Reapers by flying through a tunnel leading to one of the nations smaller underground communities, the tunnel is straight, but only 1.5x its width, and 2x its height and continues for a quarter of a mile curious to see if it would survive..

OOC: Actually, railguns are proven and possible. Let me get you a link....

This'll do it (http://www.powerlabs.org/railgun.htm)

Great site.

The combat record of the Reaper isn't easy to find. Akaton hasn't been involved in any really large scale wars. It's main use was in the destruction of the n00b nation of Ersilia. They were used in dense urban areas to enforce martial law after Jangle Jangle Ridge had conquered them. Unfortunately, there was little organised resistance, and so its armor is largely untested in combat. The only other use was when, during the Lightning Star revolution, General Muhammed turned traitor and stole the squadron of Reapers deployed there. The aircraft proved very effective, but they were destoyed on the ground by a special forces infiltrator.
Well, the Ersilians didn't WANT him for a leader, likely. He must've used an Anti-RP generator, like the Shivans do. Curse him, CURSE HIM!

Well, the Ersilians didn't WANT him for a leader, likely. He must've used an Anti-RP generator, like the Shivans do. Curse him, CURSE HIM!

Ha Ha! I guess we "liberated" the Ersilians. :rolleyes:

OOC: Actually, railguns are proven and possible. Let me get you a link....

This'll do it (http://www.powerlabs.org/railgun.htm)

Great site.

OOC: Maybe, but the government is not willing to risk civilial soldiers being able to maintain such a delicate peice of equipment properly.. expecially when they are far from any form of repair facility for extended periods, which is where many of the reapers and condors would be

Where and why, exactly will the aircraft be stationed?

Where and why, exactly will the aircraft be stationed?

pretty much anywhere the pilot feels like landing it will be its location. That will include cliffs, craigs, crevices, canyons, holes..

ooc)think of alarian mountian as one of the more inhospitable sections of the himalayan mountain chain (only located in a arid/desert region).. which is why roads dont exist, the large cities are underground and the onlything on the surface are a scattering of small villiages. and individual family dwellings. ive decided im going to do a full writeup of the alarian nation for posting ^.^ lol.. if i ever get finished with the government..