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In light of The War on Piraicy, The Public must ask, Is Mammalia Becoming a Superpower?

You're far from being even close to a naval superpower, HM. Just because you have privateers who stupidly attempt to raid warships (and get killed) doesn't make you a superpower.

You dont have to be a naval superpower to bring down pirates. So no you aren't a naval superpower. There are nations out there that can put your so called "superpower" navy at the bottom of the sea.

A superpower would be someone like AMF, not you.

Didn't we destroy your Navy anyway?

I've never heard of you, my navy's about ten times as big and more advanced than yours, and could stomp all over you more easily than a training exercise. And I wouldn't even call myself a naval superpower.

To answer your question;
No

The Krïgsmarine could crush your navy.... and I don't even really invest in it.

So how big are people's navies?

If you have to ask...

I honestly had never heard of you until I saw this thread.

My navy has over 1,000 ships and I don't think of myself as a naval superpower. Is my navy the strongest part of my military? Yes. Am I even a significant naval power? Unlikely.

Most countries of intermediate size hold navies up to 1,000 ships including both combat and support.

Kelanis's navy has 3,100 ships in support alone.
Over 4,000 combat-capable ships are commissioned, although usually only 900 or so are on active duty at any one time. Most inactive ships are undergoing refit.

However Kelanis relies more on submarines than surface ships, and as such also utilizes submarines as the primary nuclear striking force, followed by land-based ICBMs, IRBMs, and SRBMs. After that, air launched cruise missiles and gravity bombs round out the lowest strength portion of the strategic arsenal.

Don't kid yourself, though- I have plenty of surface ships. :)

How can a July 2004 be a superpower?

Answer: he can't.

Well, considering my navy is larger than the size of your entire military, I'd have to say that the answer is a big fat no. A July '04 nation cannot be a superpower.....

But you are fast becoming a nuisance, both IC and OOC. I may have to crush you.

I agree with CM. Your not a naval superpower. I view a naval superpower as Doujin. Thats me though, even though I think a majority of nations will agree.

By the way, my navy alone could crush your military completely and I would bet on it.

My 3 Commonwealth Navies could crush you, and combined they're only about 200-300 ships strong (And about 1/3 of those are support ships)

From everything that I can see your not a naval superpower. How many ships do you have? I have around 1200 ships and thats because the navy is the largest and most well armed part of my armed forces followed by the Marines. I agree with Communist Louisiana a naval superpower is someone like Doujin who has a huge navy. A Jun 2004 nation just isn't able to be a superpower of any type. Don't get cocky just because you won a couple of wars. Come back a little more than a year from now and say that you are a naval superpower and I might believe you.

I've got a navy of around a thousand ships. One Hundred Carriers are my main use of the Navy.

I've got a navy of around a thousand ships. One Hundred Carriers are my main use of the Navy.
Unless you're revived, no you dont.

I checked him out Praetonia he has 1.795 billion people. He's not GODMODding.

So please say sorry Praetonia, we wouldn't want you to lose a few ships now would we? ;)

HM You can't be a super power because we blew up half of your navy in the last war :D

So please say sorry Praetonia, we wouldn't want you to lose a few ships now would we? ;)
1) I said "unless he's revived" clearly.

2) Using OOC reasons for IC actions IS godmodding and I will ignore you.

3) I have a bigger navy than you.

Who says we'd just use our navy? Who needs a reason for war nowadays? A simple apology will suffice.

Sorry but Im not apoligsing when I haven't actually said anything that most people would class as offensive. Bye.

Ok. Arrogant I see. Nevermind I wouldn't apologise in your position either. You were right anyway, I was revived.

Not arrogant, just principled. This will be my last post on the subject.

Yes but Praetonias right. You cannot go to war for OOC reasons. People will either ignore you or flame you if you start doing stupid things like that.

Two, three tops, battlegroups from any one of my fleets could singlehandedly crush your navy.

The true naval superpower of NS (Doujin) would probably roll over your fleet before even realizing you were attacking them.

So how big are people's navies?

well that obviously depends on how big you are mine for example is a damm sight bigger than yours

Am I a naval power? Im quite confused...

WA has ~3,100 major combat vessels* deployed in its navy. These units are distributed at 12 forward stations, bases, and territories across the globe and about 1/3-1/2 of the vessels are able to be called immediately into combat at any time with a 60-80% ready capacity within 1 week. They can be anywhere in the world within 1-2 days.

I think that you still have a while to go before you really get any sort of "superpower" status. The general rule is, "if you have to ask someone else's opinion, you're not a superpower...perhaps not even a major or minor world power." Good luck tho.



*- This figure excludes all vessels known as patrol boats or fast patrol boats, landing craft borne by larger vessels, some smaller missile boats, inflatable craft, general support ships, oilers, geneal logistics vessels, base support ships, units dedicated to the patrol of forward naval bases, most vessels operating under the auspices of the Coast Guard/Naval Security Force (both around main WA and in WA satellite territories, provinces, and states), vessels operating under the IDF Special Operations COMmand, vessels operating under the auspices of the Strategic Mobility Command, auxiliary fleet vessels, experimental and testing vessels, scientific vessels, civilian industrial transport vessels, ships under construction or development, mothballed/retired units, units on loan to friendly or client governments, aircraft, training vessels, and assorted other units.

OOCly: Some parts of my naval deployed forces are not quite filled-in so I made a best-guesstimate with an error of +/- 4 vessels for a total error of no more than 100 or so vessels (there may be more than listed).

no, I put your Navy on the bottom of the seas when you attacked me, my navy is much larger than yours anyways

Hang a big, fat NO onto that question. I have a little over a thousand combat ships and would have a hell of a lot more if not for the fact that my ships are so damn big and expensive. In short, one of my battlegroups could deep six your entire navy, and I only consider myself the pre-eminent naval power in my region.

Wrong. Dojiun(SP?)

Question: How do you get military and declare war?

You probably just started and you already want to go to war. Well buy from Storefronts of course. Here is a good site to get your military budget: http://www.pipian.com/stuffforchat/gdpcalc.php?nation=

If I may do a little bit of plugging myself I have a wonderful ship that is perfect for a young navy. Its a nice Assualt Hydrofoil and its only 18 million dollars. You can find it here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=348099
Also try IDF, Grays Hill, Layatreb (sp?) and Imperial Praetonian shipyards their all very good storefronts with a wide variety of weaponry. I would suggest buying packages. Their great for newbies.

Another Question(I'm such a n00b) how do you get more money?

Nation grows larger that means more tax and tariff revenues. Bascially NS is a game of the bigger man wins. The Bigger you are the better you are. The more money you have larger armed forces you can have etc. Also raising taxes helps you have more money also, although my nation has no income taxes but we have plenty of money.

To declare war all you have to do is post a topic saying that you declare war on someone but of course you have to have a rather good reason our people are gonna get pissted. Hope that helps.

thank you, i'm still a bit confused, but i got the gist of it.

No, Hataria Mammalia is a tinpot dictatorship with no sensible foreign policy.

Both me and Hataria started playing in May of this Year.

I wonder what would happen if I annexed Hattarian Mammalia...

I wonder what would happen if I annexed Hattarian Mammalia...

Rebeion, open Resistance, and you being kicked out of Mammalia

Rebeion, open Resistance, and you being kicked out of Mammalia

Never mind. I always thought you were much smaller than you actually are.

I'm going to be an Air Superpower
*hopes*
I'm opening an airplane storefront soon with quite a few new original designs.
The main two reasons I have a Navy are to patrol my territorial waters and to use the aircraft carriers to back up our airfroce. Infact our Navy isn't actually a separate force. The Carriers and their support ships (Destroyers, Supply Ships, etc) come under Air Force Command whilst the Patrol Boats come under the Border Patrol Force.

I've never even seen you before, so no.

NO

Jesus you're just a few days old

Jesus I'm not. Holy panooly, we meet again.
My nation is approaching two billion in population now. I was revived.

Rebeion, open Resistance, and you being kicked out of Mammalia

OOC: But since the Rosians hate you for attacking them in the Islands incident, yes I still remember, they'd probably support Generia with Air Strikes against you and maybe an invasion... or two... or three...

Rebeion, open Resistance, and you being kicked out of Mammalia

Rebellions can be put down. Arbitrarily execute one in twenty people, take all their weapons away, and that's the end of that.

I would like to ask the following question.


What do you guys consider a Super-power or Mega-power?

Navy Super-power or Mega-power = How many ships? How many carriers, battleships, etc?

Air Super-power or Mega-power = How many fighters, bombers, and cargo planes?

Army Super-power or Mega-power = How many divisions? How many troops? Tanks? Artillery? etc.


I would like to know so we can end this discussion once and for all.

Jesus I'm not. Holy panooly, we meet again.
My nation is approaching two billion in population now. I was revived.
Do you think it's possible, just possible that he was talking about the author and subject of this thread rather than you?

Oh and, Huahin, so we meet again Muhuwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *follows Huahin through every thread he posts on annoying him*

This pointless spam was brought to you by... Praetonian Foreign Affairs, Pointless Division

How about we end this Pointless Debate with a War. Hatarian Mammalia Vs any Nation he picks. One on One, Just him and the Nation he fights. No Invasions, No 4,000 Missiles, No, Land War. A Naval War to the death, who ever wins will be UNDISPEUED NAVAL SUPERPOWER!

Like The Idea?

I like it. Btw aren't you Hatarian Mammilla? Your names are so silimar *mind buckles under emmence confusion*

How about we end this Pointless Debate with a War. Hatarian Mammalia Vs any Nation he picks. One on One, Just him and the Nation he fights. No Invasions, No 4,000 Missiles, No, Land War. A Naval War to the death, who ever wins will be UNDISPEUED NAVAL SUPERPOWER!

Like The Idea?

Like it?....................I LOVE IT! and MY pick on who to fight YE HA!

ROFL

Hataria and Hatarian Mammalia you are what this forum, (II),and the good RPers that come here class as a
NOOB, NEWB, GENERALLY CRAP RPER

If you really think your a naval superpower first -
1.) Apply (and Join) The OMP
2.) Beat a member of the OMP
3.) Beat a donkey in a game of scrabble

I second the motion of CM.

I am now Looking for the Nation, WITH A SEA NAVY!, to fight. Tell us about the Navy you have, how big it is, what weapons, what ships and how many you have.

I don't numberwank.

I am now Looking for the Nation, WITH A SEA NAVY!, to fight. Tell us about the Navy you have, how big it is, what weapons, what ships and how many you have.
Just admit you arent a superpower. Im one of the smallest OMP nations and I have a bigger and better navy than you. If, however, you want to become a naval superpower do the following:

1) Design some decent warships, dont use US rubbish.
2) Wait a month.
3) Join the OMP.
4) In about a year when most of the 2003 nations have quit you might be a superpower.

Whats the OMP? What are its principles? Just wondering.

203 Battleships (all Classes)
78 Air Craft Carriers (Yorktown and Sailor Mars Class)
345 Destroyers (All Classes)
56 Subs (Rebelion and Karastar Class)
45 PT Boats
89 Cruisers (All Classes)

126 Shipyards all Working

Now Fallow This to Baka-Dons

Jesus I'm not. Holy panooly, we meet again.
My nation is approaching two billion in population now. I was revived.

I replied to the question asked at the start of this thread.

I replied to the question asked at the start of this thread.


I might pick you.....But........Nope

I've two frigates and a revamped Fletcher class destroyer.

I might pick you.....But........Nope

You'd be dead if you did...

What do you guys consider a Super-power or Mega-power?
Navy Super-power or Mega-power = How many ships? How many carriers, battleships, etc?
Air Super-power or Mega-power = How many fighters, bombers, and cargo planes?
Army Super-power or Mega-power = How many divisions? How many troops? Tanks? Artillery? etc.
Minor, major, super, "mega", etc. powers are not determined by numbers. Much like real life, it is a matter of how the world views the nation in question. When coupled with the numerous, and highly militarized nations of NS, the concept of "superpower" becomes utterly meaningless. A nation of my size (just over 3 billion) with even a miniscule percentage of my GDP spent on defence (ThirdGeek says 3%), still results in high amounts of cash bouncing around (just under $500 billion) and a highly respectable military, spanning all branches. Even that small amount still puts me in the top third for "Largest Defence Forces Per Captia" (38,421st, according to NS).

And I'm not a "militarized" nation.

Furthermore, when you consider alliances, things get even murkier. As a pseudo-colony of GMC Military Arms, I now have "access" to his vast navy (arguably one of the most powerful/insane wet-navies). Does this make me a Naval power? Still, not really. What if we factor in my membership in the NDA? There's several highly militarized nations in that organization.

But, of course, most anyone who'd be likely to be a threat to me would also have alliances.

"Power" status in NationStates tends to be more a matter of diplomacy, as opposed to military might, especially since wars run the risk of tumbling into wank. I've found that I've often been able to get what I want/need just by being persuasive, despite not having a huge army to back my words.

anyone going to talk about their navies? :( :(

I'm a naval superpower.

203 Battleships (all Classes)
78 Air Craft Carriers (Yorktown and Sailor Mars Class)
345 Destroyers (All Classes)
56 Subs (Rebelion and Karastar Class)
45 PT Boats
89 Cruisers (All Classes)

126 Shipyards all Working

Smoke. Less. Crack.

I am Geting a few Roland Anti-Missile Battreies! MUUHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thanks, The Most Glorious Hack.

I appreciate your feedback on my questions. I'm trying to learn all the RP aspects of NS. Right now I'm trying a RP with Lessr Tsurani.

I'd be glad in doing a RP, but keep in mind, my military is nonexistant. I have just 10 tanks, 6 heliocopters, a miniscule yet growing navy, and my Army only has rifles and machine guns. Pretty pathetic. :p

My navy is probably my largest arm of my military. It has the following....

6 Kirov-class cruisers
9 Kidd-class destroyers
15 Grisha V-class frigates
3 Arizona-class battleships
1 Yorktown class Aircraft Carrier (for my future air-force)
1 Imperator class Missile Cruiser
1 Torrent class Missle Cruiser

and 50 Pufferfish class Assault Hydrofoils coming within 1 NS year. I've purchased most of these with payment plans.

I'm devoting practically 85% - 95% of my military budget to my Navy and Navy based purchases, because my airforce and tanks would take only 10 million dollars a year in military maintainence. :p

Plus, Sharina has dipped in its Civilian budget to shore its deficits. Sharina is trying to create its Defense Forces to protect itself aganist any invaders or attackers. I don't plan on invading myself.... instead, I'm "turtling" for the time being until I get a little bigger such as 100 million people.

203 Battleships (all Classes)
78 Air Craft Carriers (Yorktown and Sailor Mars Class)
345 Destroyers (All Classes)
56 Subs (Rebelion and Karastar Class)
45 PT Boats
89 Cruisers (All Classes)

126 Shipyards all Working

Now Fallow This to Baka-Dons
That's like 10-20 times that of the US military and you have a barely larger military budget. Change or be rightly ignored for godmodding by most if not all of NS.

Hatarian Mammalia, you are a total idiot. You are not a naval superpower, you are not a world power, you are not even a newb superpower. You are the equivelant to Djibuti in world politics. No one likes you, you claim to have a much larger force than you actually do and you blindly use your military if someone does something you dont like. And why do you do this? I beleive that you do this because you are an ignorant 8 year old.

Do you think it's possible, just possible that he was talking about the author and subject of this thread rather than you?

Oh and, Huahin, so we meet again Muhuwahahahahahahahahahahahahaha *follows Huahin through every thread he posts on annoying him*

This pointless spam was brought to you by... Praetonian Foreign Affairs, Pointless Division
*Sends peace envoy to Praetonia complete with freshly picked flowers*

I somehow doubt it. He's a June 2004 nation. Probably even I could leave his navy (not counting godmods) dead in the water. Seeing as this is a naval thread, I think it would be appropriate to say:

Buy more Pufferfish! These excellent pieces of shipbuilding are perfect for old and new nations alike: cheap and effective. And they're cheaper than the Orion.

*Sends peace envoy to Praetonia complete with freshly picked flowers*
Awww... isn't that nice.

No if the flowers have been sprinkled with anthrax or some other sort of chemical designed to kill your leader... :eek:

Nope, they haven't been, I'd know if they... *thud*

It appears he has very bad hayfever...you should have been taking your tablets, or at least your nasal spray.

I agree with Praetonia. You have to become part of the OMP then fight another OMP member and then maybe people will consider if you are a naval power. But let me warn you. Me, Praetonia, and Sarzonia are probably the smallest OMP members. Just let me tell you. If you attack me I will kill you and your entire country mercilessly because your getting on my nerves. Plus you don't have any reason to go to war.


BUY THE ORION. THE PUFFERFISH IS A PIECE OF CRAP. BY A FAST ASSAULT HYDROFOIL THAT CAN BE USED FOR ALL TYPES OF OPERATIONS. ANTI-SHIP, ASW, CRUISE MISSLE ATTACKS AND MORE. WHY SETTLE FOR A CHEAPER VERSION OF THE ORION THAT DOESN'T HAVE ANY OF THE QUALITY MADE MORATHANIA PARTS OR THE VERSATILITY THAT THE ORION HAS. SO COME DOWN AND BUY THE ORION ASSAULT HYDROFOIL. ITS THE BOMB.

Thats my one shameless plug for the day.

Try to keep the thread positive and constructive. Give some advice, and if Hatarian Mammalia ignores it, what do you have to lose? Less of the "You are an idiot" stuff, OK?

I'm the 4th smallest nation in the OMP (in size). Morathania, I'm not sure you've registered on the OMP boards yet.

So please say sorry Praetonia, we wouldn't want you to lose a few ships now would we? ;)

[OOC: He also said "unless you're revived."]

Read the thread. I said that as well and I've given him flowers...what more do you want?

I didnt say fight an OMP member, that was Hogsweat. The problem with that advice is that fighting an OMP member and being a member of the OMP are mutually exclusive. Maybe a wargame.

Anyway...

Imperial Praetonian Shipyards - Announcement

In responce to the Pufferfish / Orion saleswar currently in process, Imperial Praetonian Shipyards has decided to end the competition once and for all by bringing out a new assault hydrofoil design. The project, currently running under the name Dragoon, is expected to be completed within the month (NS time). The Dragoon will feature the same quality IPS build components and systems currently in serivce with dozen of navies around the world. It is expected to include ASuW, AA and ASW systems on one small, fast, cheap and effective package that will wipe the floor with it's competitors.

Read the thread. I said that as well and I've given him flowers...what more do you want?

[OOC: I did. I just now got to this post after sifting through the previous six pages.

I had just gotten to the post where you demanded he apologize when I posted what I did.]

IC: If any of the countries who have received recommendations to join the Organization of Maritime Powers attempts to join, we will lodge an objection to their entry.

Why would you do that?

OOC: Oh great now everyones jumping on the Hydrofoil bandwagon. Now we have a huge company thats going to push us little guys out of the business. Well Praetonia what ever your price is mine wil be 2.5 million dollars lower and what ever you put on the Hydrofoil I'll put on double.

OOC: Oh great now everyones jumping on the Hydrofoil bandwagon. Now we have a huge company thats going to push us little guys out of the business. Well Praetonia what ever your price is mine wil be 2.5 million dollars lower and what ever you put on the Hydrofoil I'll put on double.
1) Ok I'll price then at $1 until you run out of money and put the price up again.

2) Im going to be putting on pretty much the maximum, including secially deisgned and adapted systems.

[OOC: Competition can be a good thing.

*watches impending sales wars with interest and an open chequebook*]

OOC: Because he's being obnoxious.

IC: Because we feel he's a potential warmonger.

[OOC: Competition can be a good thing.

*watches impending sales wars with interest and an open chequebook*]
IPS would like to base this on quality and past performance rather than price, although our price will be more than competitive.

OOC: Ya competition is a good thing but not when your competitions a Shipyard that is known all throughout NS, has a huge line of ships, tons of orders, tons of views, and a recognized label. All I have is the ship and hope that it sells. Well all I can do is build a good quality ship that has everything a nation would need. I'll keep updating and making more.

OOC: Ya competition is a good thing but not when your competitions a Shipyard that is known all throughout NS, has a huge line of ships, tons of orders, tons of views, and a recognized label. All I have is the ship and hope that it sells.

[OOC: I just put up the Portland Iron Works not too long ago and it's doing pretty well for itself. Not only that, but I'll STILL buy ships from the storefronts where I've already bought massive orders.

If you build a quality design, people will come. I just placed an order at your storefront BTW. :)]

OOC: Hmmm......

*ponders*

No, you're not a naval superpower.

How would I join the OMP?

OOC: Ya but your sells a variety of ships mine is dedicated to one ship design and possibly in the future more varients. But thats it.

I am starting a New Thread called the "Second Quasi-War" for Hatarian Mammalia. The First Post is the Rules for the War.

How would I join the OMP?
www.gaizme.com/omp/forums/

Post a request in the membership forum (or some such name) then when you get a few people approving you, register and if Doujin likes / doesnt mind you then he'll authorise your membeship.

EDIT: Hydrofoil almost ready.

It says I can't attack other members so I'll give it a miss. :mad:

What morons voted yes besides HM? May I say you two who did are not to bright.

Not me. I voted NO.

What morons voted yes besides HM? May I say you two who did are not to bright.

I voted Not sure.

203 Battleships (all Classes)
78 Air Craft Carriers (Yorktown and Sailor Mars Class)
345 Destroyers (All Classes)
56 Subs (Rebelion and Karastar Class)
45 PT Boats
89 Cruisers (All Classes)

126 Shipyards all Working

Smoke. Less. Crack.

No, Hack, I think that this problem revolves around the opposite problem...he doesn't smoke enough crack. Because you see, if he smokes more then it'll move beyond delusions to outright addiction=life...then he'll forget about NS, sell his computer, and possibly his house (well, his parents' house) and move to the streets...thus ridding NS of the entire issue!

Well, the answer seems to be an overwhelming "ney". Sorry about that.