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I am making an attempt to locate fellow Stalinist nations here on nationstates. Comrades, for too long we Stalinists have remained seperated. Although our numbers are definately not very large compared to others, we still exist. It is time, comrades, that we unite under one banner. How can we possibly fulfill the goals of glorious Stalin when we Stalinists don't even have a way of knowing where each other are?

Well comrades, there is a region that has been around for quite a long time dedicated to the teachings of our great father and teacher, Comrade Stalin! The region is of course quite small at the moment because it is very difficult to locate fellow Stalinists. We Stalinists are being attacked from all sides and it is dwindling our numbers. We mustn't let this happen! Comrades, do not give up your dedication to Comrade Stalin. Unite under the Red Banner in Alliance of Stalinist States. Although only currently 13 nations, we are pleased that each and every one of them are true Stalinists.

Stalinism still exists. Stalinism will forever exist. As our glorious leader wisely taught, "Socialism in one country." We cannot hope to get anywhere while sperated. We must unite under one region. Unite in the region Alliance of Stalinist States comrades! For Stalin!

A note to all anti-Stalinist nations reading this post. Don't even bother trying to undermine our efforts by critisizing our glorious leader as well as Stalinism. We have heard it all before--many times. This is a post to locate fellow Stalinists.

---Grand Colonel Joseph Grey
Alliance of Stalinist States

You do realise that Stalinism is different to Socialism...

In a recent press conference today, Prime Minister Brown declared this alliance of Stalinist States an evil warmongering alliance. PM Brown stated that Hogsweat would take precautionary steps to avoid any imperialist moves made by such an alliance.

Evil warmongering alliance? As I said, this is an attempt to bring we Stalinists together, not make war. We have never invaded any region.

Stalinism IS a form of Socialism. It is Comrade Stalin's form of Socialism. It is the most successful form of Socialism. Socialism and Communism would be forgotten if it weren't for Comrade Stalin making it so powerful.

Anyway, it is not our intention to make people think this is some sort of aggression. This is no aggression at all. This is a message to all Stalinist comrades to come together.

ooc: Stalinism....ble. The only thing worse than Nazism, in my personal opinion.

nothing is worse than Nazism.

Fool. Stalinism is a dictatorship ideology combining small elements of socialism. The Stalinist Ideology IS warmongering and imperialism. That is part of the ideology.

nothing is worse than Nazism.

I disagree. Take it from someone who's family bore the wrath of both.

Technocracia, as a communist state, condemns the alliance of Stalinist States as a "bad example of socialist countries", and an "evil alliance of Stalinists". We hope other communist nations will not join this alliance that exists under the veil of claiming to be socialist, and we hope this bad stain on the name of socialism doesn't expand via imperialism. If it does so, Technocracia may be forced to intervene.

While the Commonwealth of Cadwallader supports the alliance herein described, we feel it is in keeping with Great Comrade Stalin's ideology for the Commonwealth not to join the Alliance at this time, as we feel that our national sovereignty would be compromised through the globalisation inherent in such a unification.

We do not view Stalinism as a form of communism. We do however respect the right of this nation to unite other stalinist as long as it doesnt end in massive imperialistic moves.


OCC:Stalin was worst then hitler. Look at all the people killed under hitler then look under stalin.

I disagree. Take it from someone who's family bore the wrath of both.


OOC: My family was the same. Except, the Russians made them work for work's sake, and they got fed enough. The Germans made them work because they believed they were inferior animals that deserved no less than to be treated as such if they refused to fight the "bolshevik enemy". And they got fed a piece of bread every second day if they were lucky. Hitler would have been much worse than Stalin had he won.

IC: We express our viewpoint in solidarity with that of Communist Louisiana.

Well, although it was never my intention to turn this into some sort of argument, I at the same time expected such replies. I want it to be known that this is simply a post of finding fellow Stalinists so that we can unite under one region for our glorious leader. I appreciate the support of Communist Louisiana for realizing the purpose of this post. It isn't to make some imperialist war... leave imperialism to the capitalists. This is to locate Stalinist comrades across the world.

In response to Techocracia, how can you consider Stalinism evil? Socialism was at its strongest point and growing stronger under Stalinism. After Comrade Stalin's death, the Socialist nations went away from Stalinism, and look at them now.

OOC: My family was the same. Except, the Russians made them work for work's sake, and they got fed enough. The Germans made them work because they believed they were inferior animals that deserved no less than to be treated as such if they refused to fight the "bolshevik enemy". And they got fed a piece of bread every second day if they were lucky. Hitler would have been much worse than Stalin had he won.

IC: We express our viewpoint in solidarity with that of Communist Louisiana.

Total Personal Family Deaths For the Years 1939-1952

4: Death by natural causes
9: Death at the hands of Nazis. Three died in the September campaign, one died in a concentration camp (or so it is assumed), five died in the Warsaw Rising.
17: Hunted, arrested, and executed by the NKWD for supposed "collaboration with the Nazi regime". This was the fate of almost all members of the democratic Polish Home Army which fought and died under Nazi oppression for six years, only to be murdered by their supposed "liberators".

Furthermore, the Stalinist regime confiscated all my surviving family's land and precious possessions, and forced them into the industrialized parts of the cities, to work in factories the rest of their lives. My family was quite well to do before the war. This is something the Nazis didn't even dream of doing.

Take a second look.

Well, although it was never my intention to turn this into some sort of argument, I at the same time expected such replies. I want it to be known that this is simply a post of finding fellow Stalinists so that we can unite under one region for our glorious leader. I appreciate the support of Communist Louisiana for realizing the purpose of this post. It isn't to make some imperialist war... leave imperialism to the capitalists. This is to locate Stalinist comrades across the world.

In response to Techocracia, how can you consider Stalinism evil? Socialism was at its strongest point and growing stronger under Stalinism. After Comrade Stalin's death, the Socialist nations went away from Stalinism, and look at them now.

Stalinism is imperialist. Or didn't you notice?

OOC: Compare 20 million dead under Stalin to 6 million under Hitler. That's all I'm going to say.

OOC: Compare 20 million dead under Stalin to 6 million under Hitler. That's all I'm going to say.

Well said.

OOC: Compare 20 million dead under Stalin to 6 million under Hitler. That's all I'm going to say.

OOC: Stalin never killed that many, it was just American propoganda, to turn people against him.

IC: We condemn this movement as it will bring a bad name to all of us socialist nations and will take the side of capitalists in event of war

Much like the views of Communist Louisiana, we, the People, do not view Stalinism as a form of communism nor a form of socialism. We also respect, however, that any nation reeserves the right to start or join an alliance, and we will not attempt to intrude upon that right.

We will keep an eye on this alliance, though, in case any unjust invasions, attacks, or disputes occur.

The Soviet Communist Republics of Malatose look down upon the stalinism.Therefore,we will not support this alliance.

After a briefing of the issues by the Chief Advisor, the Prime Minister of Seket-Hetep made the following statement in a news conference this morning:

"Seket-Hetep does neither condones nor supports the rising union of governments, nor any of its constituents, nor the Stalinist system of government. We will defend relentlessly against any incursion by this union or by any Stalinist nation. We will also come to the aid of any nation subject to such incursion."

ooc: stalin was evil, weither anyone likes it or not. i think the previous posts can prove that. my heart really goes out to anyone who has ever lost a family member or friend to that man's twisted, paraniod regime.

Chronosia; Chairman Nation of the New USSR, condemns this alliance of evil nations, honoring the ideals of a murderer and a betrayer of socialism. Stalin killed countless millions, and destroyed the memory of true socialism. That is why we of Chronosia are objecting to this unification of darkness. The Stalinist philosophy destroyed countless lives and ruined a country; I for one support Lenin and Trotsky over any work of Stalin. They were evil, but not to the true extent of Stalin. Thus, we of Chronosia lend our support to any movement against this.

Here's a good question: What do any of you posts have to do with me trying to locate fellow Stalinists? I have heard all of it before and as I said this was not intended to make any kind of conflict. We are being called the imperialists when YOU are the ones being aggressive to us. Chronosia, we too support Comrade Lenin (Marxism-Leninism). Comrade Stalin didn't ruin his country, he made it a great and powerful place to live. It was people like Kruschev that caused the collapse of the Soviet Union.

As for Stalinism being imperialism, that is in itself a mistake. The countries that fell under Stalinist rule were countries that were liberated by Stalin during World War II, and those that freely went under the control of the Soviet Union. As a matter of fact, there were already existing Communist Parties in those nations, and thanks to Stalin they were placed into power. If it weren't for glorious Stalin, Socialism would have never made it anywhere.

Comrade Director Secretary Hotan of the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol (AKA North Korea, plus some territory lately liberated from the southern capitalists) speaks of Stalin through some passing familiarity born of Kurosian I's tutelage.

"Stalin" he says, "was not much of a warmonger. Had he been anything but a self-interested coward he would not have used Chinese blood to protect his eastern Empire against the bourgeois attackers, and he would not have been so weak in his support for our struggle against the Americans and their United Nations cohorts. Nor would he have shied from the fight with counter-revolutionary Nazi Europe when the time came."

Dra-pol will need much convincing before it sees Stalinists as anything other than opportunist cowards.

(And how can anyone say that Hitler only killed six million people, when he started a war that killed tens of millions that would otherwise have lived?)

Look, everyone, I am not Stalinist and I do not view it as a true form of communism. I myself think that communism will never come b/c of Stalin.

But let me get ot my point. This is a recruiting page for his group. If any of you would like to continue to bitch about Stalinism then create a thread in General or somewhere else. Leave the guy the hell alone. I dont like my pages getting trashed and spammed and I dont think that most of you dont like it either. Leave the guy alone and let him do what he pleases as long as it doesnt put our own nations are risk.

-sigh- Once again, you're more or less wrong. Posting on International Incidents is akin to making a political statement. People can obviously comment on political statements. If he doesn't like it, he can delete the thread, and then make a new one where it is "Semi-Closed".

As for Stalinism being imperialism, that is in itself a mistake. The countries that fell under Stalinist rule were countries that were liberated by Stalin during World War II, and those that freely went under the control of the Soviet Union. As a matter of fact, there were already existing Communist Parties in those nations, and thanks to Stalin they were placed into power. If it weren't for glorious Stalin, Socialism would have never made it anywhere.

Ya.....tens of thousands were murdered in Estonia, Latvia, and Lithuania in Stalin's attempt to suppress those nations. His brutality there was so great, and his presence was so unwelcome, that no nation outside of the Eastern Block ever recognized those three nations as lawfuly part of the Soviet Union, and their governments in exile continued on for a generation.

Stalin gained the western Belarus by joining Hitler in his invasion of Poland in 1939. He held firm to these lands after the war. Tens of thousands were murdered in the western Belarus, hundreds of thousands more forced to immigrate west so that they could be replaced by Russian colonists loyal to the party, all so Stalin could somehow legitimize his claim on that rightfully Polish territory. And where did those hundreds of thousands of exiles go? To Pomerania and Silesia, German lands which Stalin attached to the Polish state to assure there would never be a healing of relations between Germany and Poland. And what happened to the German populace of those territories? They were robbed, raped, and murdered, the hundreds of thousands of survivors also being forced to migrate, to the artificialy, involuntarily formed East German Republic.

And while we're on the topic of Germany, how about East Prussia? This land, which Stalin had absolutely no claim to, was handled in typical fashion. Its German and Polish populations were murdered, the deserted city of Konigsberg was filled up with involuntary Russian colonists, and its name was changed to Kaliningrad.

The Ukraine, also, was never voluntarily a part of the Soviet Union. It was outright conquered by the Soviet Union in the 1920s, and then its population was systematically starved, to break its spirit. Millions of Ukrainians died during the 1920s and 1930s in Stalin's attempt to erradicate any feeling of hope or independance that people may have had. Their situation was so desperate that during World War II hundreds of thousands of Ukrainians, along with Finish, Estonian, Latvian, and Lithuanian comrades joined the German SS's "Fifth Column" and fought alongside the German army in a desperate attempt to tople the Stalinist regime.

Finland was invaded by the Soviet Union in the 1930s, in classic Imperialist style, and as terms of surrender was forced to cede territories which were Finish for generations to The Soviet Union. These territories are under Russian occupation even today.

Learn your history, or at least don't make out of wack statements that make you look more than foolish.

-sigh- Once again, you're more or less wrong. Posting on International Incidents is akin to making a political statement. People can obviously comment on political statements. If he doesn't like it, he can delete the thread, and then make a new one where it is "Semi-Closed".

If that is the case then my political statement is trying to locate fellow Stalinists and that is the topic. Nobody else has stated on finding fellow Stalinists, so therefor they have gone offtopic. They have merely used this post as an excuse to critisize our Stalinist ways. As I have said many times, I have heard it all before. I could easily go into large-scale arguments (especially with Universalist Totality), but I am not in the mood to do so nor is this the proper place to do so. I made this so that the few Stalinist on nationstates could see that there is a place where other Stalinists go and unite.

I would, however, make a comment toward Dra-pol AKA North Korea. Comrade Stalin was the one who even made it possible for such a nation to exist, and North Korea in reality is the last remaining STALINIST nation. So what is it when a Stalinist nation critisizes Stalinism?

First of all, why don't you take a good look at North Korea. Its people are starving. A fine example of where Stalinism leads nations.
Secondly, if you have any arguements against what I have written, I suggest that you post them. Otherwise I will simply assume that you are without an arguement.

Go ahead and assume I have no argument. Quite frankly, I do not care. As I have said, I am not going into any large-scale arguments. As for North Korea, that is due to bad leadership and management. After Stalin's First Five-Year Plan, life got better in the Soviet Union and its surrounding republics as there was enough to eat, a high literacy rate, and a good standard of living.

So you have no arguement? OKay.

OOC: Dra-pol is Kurosite (after Kurosian I, the second leader of the CPRD and the founder of its current thought), not Stalinist, but I base some parts of the nation on North Korea, as that is where it's located in real-world terms. Historically, Dra-pol became communist in 1938, after a seven year civil war (no, I don't expect you to have known this before hand, bear with me :) ), and was lead by a Director Sulo, whose socialism was most akin to Pol Pot's. He made the nation backwards and weak, and it was easily pursuaded into conflict with the south, which is where it differs a little from reality in which Kim Il-Sung pushed for soviet and Chinese backing. However, the similarity is that Stalin was afriad of conflict with the west, and tried to make Mao put nine Chinese divisions into action, while he was afraid of being seen even to offer a little air cover. Dra-pol resents Stalinists for failing to protect their revolution from American bombs and ships. And in reality, the DPRK is not really Stalinist, either. Juche, or Kim Il-Sung thought, is by nature quite specific to North Korea.
Anyway, I suppose the original point of my posting was to hint at the vague similarity between Kurosite Dra-pol and the Stalinist world, and the slight possiblity of warming relations if only the Stalinists could be reconciled as something other than soft, in Drapoel eyes. That assumes the Stalinists want relations with Dra-pol, which seems likely given the nature of this thread, and the seeming invincibility of the CPRD in the face of two western/capitalist/christian coalitions.

Indeed, Juche is quite specific to North Korea. However, there are many Stalinist elements that I am sure you realize. Anyway, calling Stalinists weak and cowardly is the wrong way to go about things. Comrade Stalin didn't want to risk a nuclear war against the west. If the Soviet Union--the only other nation at the time to have nuclear weapons other then the capitalist powers--were to openly attack western forces, then the result would have been devastating for both sides. I assure you, the Stalinists are not soft, especially toward their enemies. Plus, it was Russia under Stalinist rule that helped with the main defeat of Nazi Germany.

OOC: Compare 20 million dead under Stalin to 6 million under Hitler. That's all I'm going to say.


Yeah, good work. Conmpare 20 million from the entire period of stalin's rule including those killed by the Nazis in the war with the 6 million Jews killed by Hitler in the concentration camps - i.e. not mentioning the Communists, Social Democrats, gypsies, gays, etc that were also killed, or the many millions killed in the second world war, which most people think Hitler had some sort of responsibility for.

I don't think Stalin was a socialist - he presided over a system of state capitalism that was locked into imperialist competition with the West - and he was a brutal dictator. But his regime did not have the inbuilt irrationality of Nazism. eg Stalin would not hesitate to move entire peoples if they were a threat to his power, but Hitler persecuted Jews and other minorities not because they were a threat, but because it flowed from an insane political theory.

Total Personal Family Deaths For the Years 1939-1952

4: Death by natural causes
9: Death at the hands of Nazis. Three died in the September campaign, one died in a concentration camp (or so it is assumed), five died in the Warsaw Rising.
17: Hunted, arrested, and executed by the NKWD for supposed "collaboration with the Nazi regime". This was the fate of almost all members of the democratic Polish Home Army which fought and died under Nazi oppression for six years, only to be murdered by their supposed "liberators".

Furthermore, the Stalinist regime confiscated all my surviving family's land and precious possessions, and forced them into the industrialized parts of the cities, to work in factories the rest of their lives. My family was quite well to do before the war. This is something the Nazis didn't even dream of doing.

Take a second look.

Check your TG's.

OMG I'm so sorry for helping this turn into an argument...
You are comparing a Nazi to a Dictator. NOT a Nazi to a Communist. The Soviet Union wasn't really communist in the early days, it was more a dictatorship.

IC:
Stalinism is an attempt to spread the theory of communism, (which we fully accept - and work besides and with Communists) to other nations by force/ This is unnacceptable.