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And now introducing, my Armed Forces, thanks to those that helped, oh and tell me if it's realistic...

Each Division contains:

12,000 Personnel
1,000 BMP-3s
300 T90 MBT
10 RCH-1s (Chinooks)
8,000 Support Staff (including M.A.F.H unit)
2,000 Humvees
450 Ural 6 x 6 Medium Haul Trucks
60 ROH-1s (Blackhawk)
120 RTAP 155mm Medium Howitzers
40 RMLRS 120mm (Smerch) Rocket Artillery

20 assorted religious figures
45 RLAH-1s (Cobra Attack Helicopter)
40 RAH-1s (Hind)


Ground Forces:

1st Division=1st Corp=1st Army Group
3rd Division=1st Corp=1st Army Group
5th Division=2nd Corp=1st Army Group
7th Division=2nd Corp=1st Army Group

10th Division=3rd Corp=2nd Army
103rd Division=3rd Corp=2nd Army
70th Division=4th Corp=2nd Army
72nd Division=4th Corp=2nd Army

67th Division=5th Corp=3rd Army
21st Division=5th Corp=3rd Army
75th Division=6th Corp=3rd Army
81st Division=6th Corp=3rd Army

117th Division=7th Corp=4th Army
71st Division=7th Corp=4th Army
58th Division=8th Corp=4th Army
213th Division=8th Corp=4th Army

344th Division=9th Corp=5th Army
744th Division=9th Corp=5th Army
551st Division=10th Corp=5th Army
875th Division=10th Corp=5th Army

411th Division=11th Corp=6th Army
541st Division=11th Corp=6th Army
911th Division=12th Corp=6th Army
57th Division=12th Corp=6th Army

101st Division=13th Corp=7th Army
900th Division=13th Corp=7th Army
452nd Division=14th Corp=7th Army
775th Division=14th Corp=7th Army

411th Division=11th Corp=8th Army
541st Division=11th Corp=8th Army
911th Division=12th Corp=8th Army
50th Division=12th Corp=8th Army

8th Division=17th Corp=9th Army
10th Division=17th Corp=9th Army
79th Division=18th Corp=9th Army
99th Division=18th Corp=9th Army

108th Division=20th Corp=10th Army
993rd Division=20th Corp=10th Army
776th Division=21st Corp=10th Army
567th Division=21st Corp=10th Army

The Rosktai are the Special Forces of the the Island of Rose. They contain 10,000 men and women trained in Special Operations.

Navy:

This is the Navy of the Island of Rose, also known as the RADF, or the Rosian Aquatic Defense Force.

The RADF contains 20 Battle Fleets, each fleet contains 25 ships.

Each Fleet contains:

1 Nimitz Class Carriers (Carries 85 Aircraft)
5 United States Class Carriers (Carries 50 Aircraft)
2 Iowa Class Battleships
3 Los Angeles Class Submarines
2 Arleigh Burke Guided Missile AEGIS Destroyers
2 Kilauea Class Ammunition Ships
1 Kaiser Class Oiler Ship
2 Safeguard Class Rescue and Salvage Ships
1 Mercy Class Hospital Ships
7 Rose Class Escort Ships

Each Nimitz Carrier contains:
40 RF-1s (F-18)
20 RB-1s (F-15E)
2 E2-C Hawkeyes
5 EA-6s
8 RCH-1s (Chinook)
5 RCP-1s (C-17)
5 P-7s

Each United States Carrier contains:
25 RF-1s
10 RB-1s
2 E2-c Hawkeyes
3 EA-6s
5 RCH-1s
2 RCP-1s
3 P-7s

Air Force:

The Rosian Air Force contains of small fast fighters and bombers, we believe in tactical strikes, followed by Special Forces Operations. Here are our forces, in total, I will not state how many squadrens and such because it's too complicated...


10,000 RF-1s (F-18)
7,000 RB-1s (F-15E)
3,000 RAH-1s (Hind)
2,000 RLAH-1s (Cobra Attack Helicopter)
1,500 RCP-1s (C-17)
4,000 ROH-1s (Blackhawk)
1,000 RSH-1s (Little Bird)
2,000 RHB-1s (B-52)
500 ROP-1s (Refueling Plane thing)

Huge EDIT: Downscaled Airforce, put new numbers to use, please criticize.
EDIT: Added new stats for Division

I like big bumps!

*claps*

*claps*

So it's realistic for a nation my size?

So... nothing wrong? Nothing missing?

Nothing wrong???? NOTHING?!

I'm not the best at logistics or anything, so bear that in mind...but it seems that you have a lot of planes. Maybe too many. I'd tone it down a bit.



OOC: I like that you include Priests in your military listings. Quite Ironic, hehe.

I'm not the best at logistics or anything, so bear that in mind...but it seems that you have a lot of planes. Maybe too many. I'd tone it down a bit.



OOC: I like that you include Priests in your military listings. Quite Ironic, hehe.

Too many? Why not enough :p. Eh, so it seems overall, I'm good. More opinions people.

OOC: Yes well, that's why Roman Catholicism is a great religion. Sin all you want and clean your soul at the last minute :p

Too many? Why not enough :p. Eh, so it seems overall, I'm good. More opinions people.

OOC: Yes well, that's why Roman Catholicism is a great religion. Sin all you want and clean your soul at the last minute :p


OOC: Your nation is awesome, hehe.

semi-IC: Over time, we've become more and more impressed in the Island of Rose's ability to RP and its political stances when it comes to tough situations. We would like to get to know your nation better, as well as possibly having a conference with your nation to discuss certain subjects, such as trade, politics, international relations and incidents, etc. We invite your nation to send a diplomat/your leader to Arcadia, capital of Euroslavia, and most protected city. Security is well proportioned here.

Where are your heavy bombers? I know you like surgical strikes but you need some heavy bombers for strategic strikes and for softening up enemy forces.

OOC: Your nation is awesome, hehe.

semi-IC: Over time, we've become more and more impressed in the Island of Rose's ability to RP and its political stances when it comes to tough situations. We would like to get to know your nation better, as well as possibly having a conference with your nation to discuss certain subjects, such as trade, politics, international relations and incidents, etc. We invite your nation to send a diplomat/your leader to Arcadia, capital of Euroslavia, and most protected city. Security is well proportioned here.

OOC: I know I am baby XD

Actually, Sergei is going on a world tour, why don't you invite him?

OOC: The link is in I.I.

@Morathania
Ya, my B-52 is there.

Your fleets are insanely vulnerable to attack by submarine, due to your utter lack of escort vessels. You will certainly want to rectify that before you send them out, I think ;)

Also your airplane numbers seem rather high, but there's some wriggle room there. Overall pretty good.

Your fleets are insanely vulnerable to attack by submarine, due to your utter lack of escort vessels. You will certainly want to rectify that before you send them out, I think ;)

Also your airplane numbers seem rather high, but there's some wriggle room there. Overall pretty good.

YAGH! Never thought of subs >.<. What ships would you recommend?

Oh and thank you :)

Their could be a problum with you and subs. Maybe you should invest in some S-3B Viking's, P-3 Orion's, or P-7 (LRAACA). These planes are great for carriers and are made for the specific purpose of finding and destroying submarines. I own hundreds of them and no single carrier leaves without atleast 5 for me.

Their could be a problum with you and subs. Maybe you should invest in some S-3B Viking's, P-3 Orion's, or P-7 (LRAACA). These planes are great for carriers and are made for the specific purpose of finding and destroying submarines. I own hundreds of them and no single carrier leaves without atleast 5 for me.

So how would you arrange my Nimitz and United States Class Carriers?

Nice, good size army due to the size of your nation...very acceptable, near believable.....

Nice, good size army due to the size of your nation...very acceptable, near believable.....

Wow, thanks :o

Your battlefleets, I hasten to add, are hideously vulnerable to SSMs. Your 2 AEGIS destroyers would do nicely, and all of the capital ships would be equipped with phalanx CIWS, but you may want to look into upgrading the number of escorts, possibly by chopping off a couple of the lesser carriers and replacing them with 4 - 6 missile sponge FFG

Your battlefleets, I hasten to add, are hideously vulnerable to SSMs. Your 2 AEGIS destroyers would do nicely, and all of the capital ships would be equipped with phalanx CIWS, but you may want to look into upgrading the number of escorts, possibly by chopping off a couple of the lesser carriers and replacing them with 4 - 6 missile sponge FFG

Thank you, but please tell me how you'd arrange them, I have a hideously bad knowledge of naval warfare >.<

Thank you, but please tell me how you'd arrange them, I have a hideously bad knowledge of naval warfare >.<

Basically, you need a relatively large number of destroyers, frigates, and corvettes, which are small, speedy escort ships that form the perimeter of the fleet group and use things like towed-array sonar and helicopter patrols to search for submarines. Within this ring of escorts will be the carriers, and near them will be the Aegis ships (carriers are what you least want shot, so keep them near the source). The battleships can probably rove around the formation, to absorb missile fire and move to get close to the fighting, if it ever gets close enough for them to use guns.

Then missiles have to get through the escorts' chaff and antimissiles and clever tactics (and many may just blow up the escorts), then through the Aegis system, before they hit your valuable and vulnerable carriers. Which is a good thing, because fewer will hit said carriers :)

For naval tactics, I suggest you grab a copy of Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising, which includes some great modern-era naval combat. The whole book is a terrific read (should be necessary to all who want to RP wars, IMHO) but if you want to skip around it will teach you the gist very fast.

Eh... more ships less fleets then hm?

And I've always wanted to read a Tom Clancy book...

Well, it depends the size you are wanting for your carrier fleets. You use your Nimitz as the head of your carriers, I use the Infusion Class(15 more planes).

In my carrier fleets I have 3 Infusion Class Carriers and 3 Nimitz.

Infusion Set Up(3 Infusions)
100 F-4G Advanced Wild Weasel
100 F-117A Nighthawk
25 S-3B Viking
75 F-77's

Nimitz Set Up(3 Nimitz)
100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
50 F-20 Tigershark
5 Hawkeye's
75 RAH-66 Comanche
25 A-10 Thunderbolt

I use all the ships to support one another instead of each ship carrying a large amount of different aircraft.

Good advice Skep. Even better praise to you TIOR for asking and accepting the advice. Top marks...

But, back on to my high horse...

Your army divisions are rather large. If you like, without changing the number of forces you field, I could reorganise your forces along more conventional military lines...

Also, are any of your submarines capible of launches nuclear weapons? I can sell you the Submarine Launched Balistic Missiles for cheap. Since you are an allie I will give you 40% off.

www.freewebs.com/nuclearlouisiana

Well, it depends the size you are wanting for your carrier fleets. You use your Nimitz as the head of your carriers, I use the Infusion Class(15 more planes).

In my carrier fleets I have 3 Infusion Class Carriers and 3 Nimitz.

Infusion Set Up(3 Infusions)
100 F-4G Advanced Wild Weasel
100 F-117A Nighthawk
25 S-3B Viking
75 F-77's

Nimitz Set Up(3 Nimitz)
100 F-35 Joint Strike Fighter
50 F-20 Tigershark
5 Hawkeye's
75 RAH-66 Comanche
25 A-10 Thunderbolt

I use all the ships to support one another instead of each ship carrying a large amount of different aircraft.

Fielding F4G instead of the F16 Wild Weasel variant? Your call. Not my choice, but hey... there are some plusses to it. And F117 of a carrier? Just how big are those Infusion class ships?

Your army divisions are rather large. If you like, without changing the number of forces you field, I could reorganise your forces along more conventional military lines...

Go ahead, but use the units I use.

@CL

Can you rearrange with the planes and copters I use though, I mean, this IS my first time and all this fancy stuff >.> <.<

And no thanks, I'd rather launch from TIOR, I'm not that pro-nuke.

TIOR, that is good, but silos, railcars, and other methods of launch by land can be easily targeted. Think about this. An Iowa Class Nuclear Submarine has capibility of launching I think some 16 SLBM's. Depending if these SLBM's are single warhead or multiple warheads you could have 16 to more than 48 nuclear warheads on one single SLBM Submarine.

It helps just incase if a country is launching strikes against your ground base nuclear launch centers. I only have 10 SLBM Subs, but the multiple warheads I have on them make it comfortable to be able to launch a nuclear strike ANYWHERE in the world, move the submarine and launch again if need be.

Varessa, these are some nice size ships, I would really like to steal the get the designs from Iuthia for his submarine carriers. VERY VERY nice but they cost as much as 3 Infusion Class Carriers to keep running AND only carry 100 planes.

But like I said, I'm not THAT pro-nuke, I don't want a Nuclear Web, right now I'm trying to focus on un-orthodox warfare, which I will post very soon.

I would say you're overdoing the navy and the air force. I won't comment on the army; it's not my strong point (probably the reason my army is the smallest of the three...)

Consider that the US has around ten or twelve active aircraft carriers, and that just because it's a lighter aircraft carrier, doesn't mean that the United States class should appear in eightfold numbers. My light carriers are less common - because they're less useful.

F-15Es arent navalized, although you *could* in theory make them so. Your air force needs much more combat variety. Helos, I believe, are all counted in the army...

You also seem to have a rather severe excess of tankers, cargoes, and bombers.

Do you want me to maintain the numbers and names of your divisions, or the total number of forces... one of the two will have to change...

Unless I have completely mis-interpreted something

Do you want me to maintain the numbers and names of your divisions, or the total number of forces... one of the two will have to change...

Unless I have completely mis-interpreted something

Keep the numbers and names.

@Mr. Zoogie

The reason I have a large navy and airforce is because I'm an Island, I really don't have a border, but if I can't afford it, I'll downsize.

Most armies, in modern terms, operate at near 20,000 personnel per division (Div), of which about 12,000 are combatants, usually organised into 3 brigades (Bde) of about 4000. Each BDE consists of 4 battalions (Btn), which normally are the smallest combat unit which can exist on its own, and they have about a thousand personnel. There are, in a battalion, about 4 to 7 companies, with about 120-150 personnel in each. Different armies vary the ratios.

So, your new division would be, assuming you are going for a soviet-style, multi-nationally equipped mechanised infantry division.

Each Division contains:

12,000 Personnel
1,000 BMP-3s
300 T90 MBT
10 RCH-1s (Chinooks)
8,000 Support Staff (including M.A.F.H unit)
2,000 Humvees
450 Ural 6 x 6 Medium Haul Trucks
60 ROH-1s (Blackhawk)
120 RTAP 155mm Medium Howitzers
40 RMLRS 120mm (Smerch) Rocket Artillery

20 assorted religious figures
45 RLAH-1s (Cobra Attack Helicopter)
40 RAH-1s (Hind)


In Total 20,000 Personnel per Division

THAT is close to a RL "Motor Rifle" combat division. The primary combat elements are the 1000 BMPs and 300 T-90s. This is an army division, not an air force "air fleet" fielding thousands of aircraft... At its height the USSR had some 12,000 helicopters... and it had a hell of a lot more than 12 divisions.

Now, I'm not saying you can't have that many... you're bigger than the Soviet Union ever was... but you wouldn't field 1500+ helicopters in a division...

Any other formations you need, give me a yell...

A Corps usually features from 2 to 5 divisions, and an Army is 2 or more Corps sized formations. As your divisions now number about 1/3 the size they were, it means you have more divisions, so that you can actually field Army Groups (2 or more armies) which is notable in itself...

You have no idea how much I appreciate this.

That's ok... you have no idea how much I appreciate someone who isn't sure actually ASKING. It's my job, so I like talking about it...

Holy... 40 Divisions... 80,000 men...

Bump for opinions

Bump for opinions, I gotsta know >.>

300 MBT's and 200 IFV's are standard for a medium armoured division... You have 300 MBT's and 1000 IFV's in all your Divisions...

I would have 100 MBT's and 400 IFV's in each division. That would easily carry all the actual soldiers with the IFV's, as in most armies only 10% of a divisions strength actually fights.

Oy, yes I suppose that's true >.<, time to edit then...

More opinions, just tell me if it's realistic >.>

Remember, Chellis, we're talking about the old Soviet style division, which is very light on support elements, and expected to be "lean and mean", with maintenance and supply units centralised and located far to the rear... if you were talking NATO-type medium division, I'd agree.... but we aren't...

I just want a realistic division man >.>

If you want a cold war soviet type one, make sure you have half your T-62's break down every 200 miles, and have your troops under-trained and under-maintained.

Or if you want to be a realistic, modern fighting force, dont.