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A News Announcement
NWV has, presently, 5 'Global Hawk' UAV Recon. Planes above the air in Whittier. This astonishing news breaking just moments ago has recieved little justification from The NWV Government apart from that NWV is concerned that Whittier may be planning operations against NWV, and this current action is simply an attempt to find out whether there is any weight to these claims. The 5 UAVs are currently believed to be inside Whittierian Airspace and heading towards Capitol Cities. It is believed the NWV Government is currently in deep turmoil over the releasing of this news just two and a half estimated hours after the flight began.

NWV claims that Whittier is becoming increasingly aggresionist and that Military action will be considered. This may explain the recent status of 'high alert' among 2 Battle Groups and 3 Carrier Groups in the 1st 2nd and 3rd Fleets. We will just have to wait and see whether there is any weight to these claims of War being prepared.

Grenval shall support any action taken by Whittier to the fullest.

Grenval shall support any action taken by Whittier to the fullest.

I'm sure you do. But until I have concluded my 'anti-puppet' scan, I'm going to be a bit wary.

At a pub in Beth Gellert, drinkers regard ISKRA! the Commonwealth's international news service

"I wonder if he's been watching Channel 5, tonight?"
"Nobody's been watching Channel 5, tonight."
"Oh, yeah."
"Aggressionist? I like that, it sounds like something Bush would say..."
"...What if Whitter doesn't take any actions, "to the fullest"?"
"Then I suppose Grenval won't support them. They're not for half-measures, you know!"
"Barkeep! Another couple of Old Pedants, here!"

Understandable. While I have no intention of readying troops, I am simply stating, that I alone could crush you, but the Whittier Pact could annihilate you.

At a pub in Beth Gellert, drinkers regard ISKRA! the Commonwealth's international news service

"I wonder if he's been watching Channel 5, tonight?"
"Nobody's been watching Channel 5, tonight."
"Oh, yeah."
"Aggressionist? I like that, it sounds like something Bush would say..."
"...What if Whitter doesn't take any actions, "to the fullest"?"
"Then I suppose Grenval won't support them. They're not for half-measures, you know!"
"Barkeep! Another couple of Old Pedants, here!"

Haha, even if you do make fun of me.

Understandable. While I have no intention of readying troops, I am simply stating, that I alone could crush you, but the Whittier Pact could annihilate you.

*Sighs* I am in The Whittier Pact - but I asked to leave and it was not granted (and anyway I could rip you apart). I am sick of my nation being besmirched by actions of a certain other nation - so I am preparing for a bombing campaign, this is your last chance to pull out of the conflict. Take it.

OOC:

a) He could rip you apart.

b) You dont have to ask permission to leave, you can just leave. Declare it in a thread and everyone will recognise you leaving because most people (I mean the few that dont ignore Whittier anyway) dont like the whittier pact.

OOC:

a) He could rip you apart.

b) You dont have to ask permission to leave, you can just leave. Declare it in a thread and everyone will recognise you leaving because most people (I mean the few that dont ignore Whittier anyway) dont like the whittier pact.

OOC:

a) no he couldn't

b) Last time I did that Whittier told me I needed to ask permission - I mean, thats really annoying, I don't want to be part of a militiristic alliance that is ignored by every nation.

How can Whittier force you to stay in? Just say you're leaving and that you will ignore all of the 'responsibilities' you would have had if you'd stayed in. If Whittier invades you, he'll get smacked down by half of II.

How can Whittier force you to stay in? Just say you're leaving and that you will ignore all of the 'responsibilities' you would have had if you'd stayed in. If Whittier invades you, he'll get smacked down by half of II.

I can deal with Whittier if he attacks.

Secret IC:
The reason for the GlobalHawk Recon was precisely that, if Whittier tries to invade I have gathered a relatively large amount of Intel about his positions now so I can hit back if he tries to strike at me for leaving.

Errr... you on your own stand little chance against Whittier.

His pop: 50 Million

My pop: 323 Million

His Defence Budget: Around $50 Billion

My Defence Budget: Over $1 Trillion

Hmm?

He uses his old stats from when he was a December 2002 nation.

Understandable. While I have no intention of readying troops, I am simply stating, that I alone could crush you, but the Whittier Pact could annihilate you.Ehum, I'm one of NWV's many allies. If you mess with NWV, you mess with me. My army stands ready to serve and protect the nations of ISEC.

Edit: I saw you posted your stats...here's mine...enjoy.

Population: 1,527,000,000
Military Budget: $4,363,677,360,000
GDP: $53,445,000,000,000

He uses his old stats from when he was a December 2002 nation.

Thats ridiculous, nobody will accept that.

And thanks alot for the help Helveticuz.

OOC: Np, and you should have a look at the new ISEC site design...i'm pretty pleased with it. I can post a pic of it in the ISEC thread later.

Thats ridiculous, nobody will accept that.

And thanks alot for the help Helveticuz.
Yeah that's why so many people ignore him. As far as I am aware, you can accept that he does infact have 3,000,000,000 citizens or you can ignore him.

For the record... From the Moon Regional boards.

11 days ago

The Republic of East Moon

I am leaving cause LR appears to be making an ass of himself with these false accusations of his.

This region has therefore been ejected from the Whittier Pact.
Don't ask for our help.
No I am not that soviet nation.
You're actions are pretty childish.
Its not the rest of you, its just lunar rheinland (why does that sound similar to third reich?)

As WM isn't good enough for you, neither is EM.

Both, West Moon and East Moon, are Whittier puppets.

And apparently, he counts every nation in a region he has his puppet in to be a member of the 'Whittier Pact'.

Well, at least according to this example (No, there was nothing even MENTIONING his pact before).

Now, why he doesn't have his puppets in the pacifics, I don't know...

So, errr... I have certain doubts regarding the capabilities of the Whittier Pact to squish anything, with it's might of puppets and members who do not even know they are members.

as far as I can see, Whittier just randomly adds other nations to boost his ego by way of 'OMG HUGE NUMBERS IN MY ALLIANCE!' thinking.

~ ooc Ministry for Extralunar Affairs

Thats ridiculous, nobody will accept that.
Well,ridiculous or not,I can guarantee you Whittier accepts it,and I think for him,its enough :/

I'm with you NWV.
Total Population: 1,784,000,000
Defence: $6,738,139,969,792.00

Thanks again Huahin and Helveticuz, I will check out The new ISEC site design.

I am prepared to attack if Whittier does not allow somebody with a degree of rationale (I.e. Nikolaos the Great, IDF, Doomduckistan) to take over The Whittier Pact or disband it. HE has constantly started Wars and antagonised nations and then expected all the WP's member nations for full support - it is ridiculous.

I am prepared to attack if Whittier does not allow somebody with a degree of rationale (I.e. Nikolaos the Great, IDF, Doomduckistan) to take over The Whittier Pact or disband it.

[OOC -
1. IDF is posed to take over the Whittier Pact.
2. I have allies too.
3. Whittier also has West Moon, try on that for size.
4. I do not want a war, nor will I attack you, unless directed to by Whittier.
5. No one leaves the Whittier Pact.
6. A you preparing a bombing campainge for me or for Whittier?]

Bonstock supports all actions against Nazi Weaponized Virus in defense of Whittier.

Bonstock Gross Domestic Product
Population: 2,533,000,000
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Frightening
GDP per Capita: $35,000
GDP: $88,655,000,000,000
National Budget: $44,637,437,880,000

Percentage of GDP Spent on Defense: 5%
Percentage of Budget Spent on Defense: 9.93%
Military Budget: $4,432,750,000,000

Enough for:
142,532 F-15Es, or...
221,637 Su-34s, or...
235,784 F-16s, or...
402,977 MiG 29s, or...
1,030,872 M1A2 Abrams, or...
1,477,583 T-90s, or...
7,564,419,795 M-16s, or...
14,775,833,333 AK47s

Whittier also has West Moon, try on that for size.

You can't use puppets to support you in RPs. It's something that people call godmodding.

No one leaves the Whittier Pact.

Anyone can leave whatever alliance they want. You cant make them stay.

You can't use puppets to support you in RPs. It's something that people call godmodding.
Yes that is true, but like you said, he uses his old stats anyway.
Anyone can leave whatever alliance they want. You cant make them stay.
Actually, the last time I read the Whittier Pact constitution, it clearly states that any attempt to leave will be dealth with overwhelming military might. That is why I was an independent ally of the Pact for so long. But I figured when Whittier was deleted, I was strong enough to resist some of that overwhelming military might if need be, and therefore am now a full member. But that is another story. The point is, while the rest of II will recognize you as separate, the Whittier Pact will crush you NWV.

We support the Soverignty of Nazi Weaponized Virus. To force a nation into the pact and prevent it from leaving is wrong.

NWV, we will support you in a conventional strike, and in defense. We believe that anyone should be allowed to leave any alliance.

Also, I would like to ask Grenval what would happer to members of the Pact that broke the rules? Would they kick you out? Just a thought.

Also, I would like to ask Grenval what would happer to members of the Pact that broke the rules? Would they kick you out? Just a thought.

Breaking the Pact would probably result in military action, but it would not be my first choice if I was the decision maker. Regardless, I have no intention of attacking NWV. I am simplying saying that if NWV attacks Whittier, I will respond on Whittier's behalf. And if NWV wishes to leave the WP, that is not my decision, I was just saying that historically, it is unlikely.

Chellis is willing to ship arms to NWV for free, to defend against the hostile nations that have posted in this thread(I ignore Whittier, so...). If you need any real life equipment to help defend your nation, just ask for it(just not in extravagant numbers like thousands and thousands of T-80's, Ka-50's, etc)

Well, if the punishment is the same for breaking rules and for leaving... how do you administer different levels of punishment?

I understand your loyalties and ties to Whittier Grenval, but if you support Whittier militarialy, you can be as sure as hell that I'll crush you.

Being a member of the whittier pact all i have to say is that if you want out then just leave. You threatened us last time and said that you would force your way out so whittier responded. JUST LEAVE. Besides nobodies been on the whittier forums for a while and I’m starting to wonder if the alliance is still going.

Sick pact.... That's all i have to say.

NWV has officially left the Whittier Pact - we thank all nations that offered us military/non-military support in this. Although we have left, we hope that a sensible nation such as IDF can take over the pact and turn it around, so it can at least be a respected union of nations.

We are attempting to designate further targets using manned Blackbird Planes. A squadron is currently flying continous sortees over high risk areas and designating what it deems to be military targets. NWV's First Surveillance Satellite will be passing over the area quite soon and taking a more expansive look at Whittier's Military capabilities. It has also been rumoured that The 2nd Fleet with 2 Carrier Groups and 1 Battle Group is on its way to positions just outside Whittierian Waters. The NWV Government has refused to deny this story and maintains they are only 'protecting thier own interests' at the expense of 'surveying Whittierian countryside'. If it is the case that Naval Forces are approaching Whittier then we can expect it is the gear up for a possible War - however NWV Sources maintain that they are simply keeping a 'close eye on a dangerous country'.

Although we would be inclined to believe this, Military sources tell us the Blackbirds and GlobalHawks are surveying Military targets that will be taken out by Tactical Tomahawks, TLAMS and then finally F-35's in the event of a War. Although the Military sources say that the media may be 'troubled' by these events, they stressed to inform us that any War would be quick and without high casulaties. This kind of talk leads us to draw our own conclusions, and those are that this is definately turning into a War situation on the ground and in the Air. We do not have any information as to the extent of what the bombing campaign will be like, but we have spoken to Military Analysts and expect there to be no ground troops involved, simply a strategic bombing campaign to cripple Whittier's defensive and offensive capabilities.

It is also believed that NWV's Foreign Minister is preparing to leave NWV and visit a list of Countries that will be opposed to a War.

He's my info just incase I join a group.
Total Population: 2,275,000,000
Military: $9,350,010,822,809.48
GDP: $77,938,451,287,220.88

OOC: I never knew about this thread.
Found it while looking for something else.

IC: As NWV had already been kicked out of the WP, all NWV flights over Whittier airspace are acts of war.
All NWV spy planes have been shot down by F22 Raptors.
If a single NWV ship enters WHittier territorial waters, all NWV fleets will blown out of the seas.

OOC: I never knew about this thread.
Found it while looking for something else.

IC: As NWV had already been kicked out of the WP, all NWV flights over Whittier airspace are acts of war.
All NWV spy planes have been shot down by F22 Raptors.
If a single NWV ship enters WHittier territorial waters, all NWV fleets will blown out of the seas.
[OOC: NWV was banned I believe.]

Whittier, that's a godmod, you know better than that. And impossible besides. Blackbirds are litterally twice as fast and can fly about 20 000 feet higher than an F-22.... sigh.

[OOC: NWV was banned I believe.]
yep. He was both deleted and banned. Hence I can declare a quick victory.
Though I would point out, that none of his globalhawks or other aircraft would even be able to enter my airspace without my permission.
I am only shooting them down in my airspace as a warning to others.

ic:
1 million Whittier troops who were stationed in Dr. Twist have been deployed to NWV.
All WHittier fleets in the Mediterranean, have been ordered to open fire on NWV with Tomohawk cruise missiles.
The Halo intelligence sattelite has been moved over the nation of NWV.
Further, Pandora's Box has attacked NWV surveillance sattelites. (in the depths of space, his sats would never have enough time to detect or react to the attack as solid state laser were used instead of missiles.)

The Whittier Air divisions in the area have begun taking off on bombing runs into NWV. But as NWV forces seem to be fleeing, the bombings were canceled. And the ground troops and tanks were sent in.
Though we did have to bomb a group of hardcore nationalists in NWV.
Once this operation is over, NWV will be divided between Grenval and IDF and other WP members. Whittier has no intention of claiming any land for itself.

Whittier, that's a godmod, you know better than that. And impossible besides. Blackbirds are litterally twice as fast and can fly about 20 000 feet higher than an F-22.... sigh.
The Golden Dragon, I would remind, is far faster than current aircraft, including the Blackbird.

The Golden Dragon, I would remind, is far faster than current aircraft, including the Blackbird.


Why are you still posting here? NWV was deleted.

Why are you still posting here? NWV was deleted.
I could have just ignored it. But it was just too tempting to pass over an opportunity to make an example of him for anyone else who would attempt to spy on my nation with aircraft. Or plot a to attempt an invasion. THough I probably should have used Mousteria. If you check the Mousteria nation ns greek economy profile you will find it can support the old whittier's military as can erectusia, rudolfensia, and morotopithicia.


IC: Seeing that the people of NWV are not resisting, NWV is officially being handed over to IDF and Grenval to govern or annex or do with as they see fit.
Whittier troops will remain to maintain order.

IC: Now that NWV has been occuppied and is now in allied hands, the government of Whittier now considers this matter closed.

IC: Now that NWV has been occuppied and is now in allied hands, the government of Whittier now considers this matter closed.


Since NWV was deleted, we've considered this matter closed.

Furthermore, nobody is going to recognize the occupation of a deleted nation. Sorry...

[OOC: NWV was banned I believe.]

OOC: Why?

OOC: Why?
repeated flaming.