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Hunter-class Command Battleship

DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:18
"Hunter" class Battleship

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Overview

With the completion of design work on the Frunze and Soyuz classes of Battleship, plus the complementary Tempest-class Battlecruiser, one might have forgiven the Naval Office, already by far the hardest-worked of the services, for sitting its' laurels and doing no more work on further designs for some time. Instead, the Naval Office began almost immediately to design a third Battleship type, to be produced exclusively for the Navy (as opposed to the Soyuz and Frunze, which were also available for export), and with even heavier armament and armour than the preceding classes of warships. The project was given the designation Project Mammoth. The feasibility of such a machine was widely questioned. After all, the Frunze had been enormously expensive to build, had employed the most advanced in weapons and armour technology available, and was easily the most potent ship in terms of sheer firepower and protection in the Navy. The project was not able to garner wide support within Parliament or the Ministry of Defence as a result. Parliament was reluctant to approve funding to improve the Navy, when the Navy already numbered more than 2,000 ships and 1,200 aircraft, kept in the highest possible state of training by constant exercises; the MoD had no such reservations, being instead filled with personnel from all services who were thoroughly irritated by the Navy's constant gorging of itself on funding which they felt they required more urgently. Of the latter group, the most vociferous was a cartel of high-ranking Ground Forces personnel, comprising 6 Generals and 8 Colonels, led by General Eric Morden. Morden was a firm advocate of the cessation of capital ship development, and allocation of funds to the Ground Forces and Frontal Aviation, which gained him favour within the Frontal Aviation staff. There were also Naval officers who opposed more Battleships, saying that the fleet risked becoming too unbalanced toward them. The future of the project was for 8 months extremely uncertain, as debate was pursued vigourously as to its' utility, viability and purpose.

The ending of all the uncertainty came with the perceived onset of the Cold War, initiated by Communist Mississippi. With the sudden growth in CM naval strength, DPUO's Naval Office was suddenly able to provide a powerful case for a new type of Battleship to counter the impending threat. By a skilled use of the media, and a thorough campaign to recruit high-ranking Defence Ministry and Parliamentary support, the advocates of the Mammoth project were able to generate a state of extreme public agitation concerning the construction of new vessels. They pointed out that CM was acquiring new ships and that older ships were being scrapped, although they neglected to mention that many of these ships were well past their prime, as good as useless for front-line Naval operations, and were in fact merely draining off funds and manpower for their upkeep; at the same time, they were able to persuade many MPs that if CM could be outdone in this area, not only would it provide a great measure of security for the future, but it would also be a valuable vote-winning move.

Thereafter, construction of these ships was inevitable. The Naval Office was given carte blanche by the MoD to develop a design for future operations, embodying all the experience yet gained in Naval capital ship design. The class had to be within 170,000 tonnes fully loaded displacement, and within a length of 470m, beam of 50m and draught of 11m, in order to be able to reprovision in the few ultra-large deep-water ports available. The ship was also required to mount at the least 16in guns, and have armour of at the least 460mm on all vital sectors, plus a speed of 33 knots. Once again, contracts were requested from the major ship design firms. Of these firms, two pulled out, citing that the workload far exceeded their capacity. This left the Soyuz Shipyard and Harland's Shipbuilding to complete the work. Since both were at this point engaged in full construction of the Soyuz and Frunze class ships, they expressed concern to the MoD regarding their ability to complete the number of ships they were being asked to build, even with their enormous resources. This was deeply disquieting. It was thus decided that in order to increase the possible construction capacity of the yards, new dockyards would have to be constructed for the new warships. In the meantime, the existing supertanker construction yards would be sufficient; this decision was take prior to the designs having even been submitted!

The two companies merged their resources, out of necessity, and together conceived a truly monumental warship. The class was to mount nine 20in guns, plus 12 6in secondary guns carry no less than 550mm of composite armour along the armour belt at vital points, and yet be capable of a speed of 30+ knots. How such a machine was to be built was to become apparent, to the astonishment of those who called it impossible.

While construction of four new harbours, requiring vast amounts of labour (some 210,000 men and women were used to construct the four new harbours) was pressing ahead, labour and resources were diverted from non-vital civil applications, such as consumer goods manufacture, non-military vehicle manufacture and civil shipbuilding, and pressed into service in the two great shipyards of Soyuz and Harland. The yards cleared their supertanker slipways and graving docks and used the great influx of men and material to begin building of the new ships, which had by now been designated the Hunter class. The keel of the MSS Hunter was laid on 22nd May 2003.

General

Crew: 2,281
Displacement: 177,743 tonnes unladen, 194,733 tonnes laden
Endurance: 220 days' steaming, 90-95 days combat operations.
Dimensions: Length 459.6m, Beam 57.2m, Draught (mean) 11.95m

Armament

The main armament consists of nine DK-77M 20in 59cal rifled ETCs, firing a shell of 4,158lbs (this for an armour-piercing round). The guns have a maximum accurate range of approximately 28.3 kilometres and maximum range of 42.2 kilometres, and can fire APDS, HE-FRAG, HE and low-calibre (10-inch) guided shells, as well as rocket-assisted shells with a range of 56km and accurate an accurate range of 23.4Km biologica, nucelar (300Kt) and chemical shells. Barrel life is estimated at 500 full-charge firings per gun. The guns can elevate to 41.7 degrees and depress to -10 degrees. Rate of fire is approximately 3 RPM per gun. The turrets are laid out in A, B, X configuration.

Secondary armament is composed of 12 Ak-130 130mm fully-automatic water-cooled guns mounted in six triple-gun turrets with an elevation of 44 degrees and depression of -13 degrees. As on the Frunze-class, these have a rate of fire of 8 RPM per gun. These guns have a maximum range of 24Km and an optimum accurate range of 18Km, and can fire APHE, HE and HE-FRAG. The secondary armament can also fire smoke shells. The ship also possesses four rotatable and trainable four-round launcher boxes for the SS-N-22 SSM on the port and starboard decks between the secondary turrets, plus a quarterdeck P-190 SSM system containing 32 missiles.

Anti-aircraft protection is provided by the IULLDES Mark III system mounted on the superstructure of the ship, consisting of eight ASL-100 CIWS. Four SA-N-20 SAM launchers are mounted, two at the stern and two toward the bow. See IULLDES (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343036) entry for further details. Six SA-N-9 launchers comprise the mid-range air defence, mounted on platforms around the superstructure. Missile feed chutes run from the missile magazines to the launchers. There is also a 10-cell S-400K VLS system in the superstructure, with an armoured missile magazine below and a vertical reloading system. Seven AO-18 CIWS guns are mounted.

Anti-submarine defences consist of the SS-N-27 ballistic-trajectory anti-submarine weapon, deployed in 4 VLS cells aft of the SA-N-6 launcher system, again with a vertical reload system from the belowdeck missile magazine, and four RBU-6000 ASW rockets mounted on the deck of the ship, two just aft of B turret and two between the after SA-N-20 launchers and AO-18 CIWS guns.

The ship also has at the stern a landing pad and a hangar bay, which can accommodate:

Up to 4 Ka-27B ASW helicopters
Up to 2 Yak-41M2 carrier-based fighters
Up to 16 Yak-061 "Shmel" UAVs

or a combination thereof.


Ammunition allocations

Main armament: 1,350 rounds
Secondary armament: 1,500 rounds
SS-N-22: 64 missiles
SS-N-19: 32 missiles
SA-N-20: 48 missiles
SA-N-9: 64 missiles
S-400: 80 missiles
SS-N-27: 20 missiles
RBU-6000: 480 rmortars
AO-18/ASL-100: 480,000 rounds


Compartmentation

The hull is divided by 110mm watertight bulkheads into nine compartments:

1) Sonar dome, crew accommodation, galleys, recreation area, storage, fuel storage (530 tonnes) for emergency diesels, bow sonar auxiliary computer systems;
2) Accommodation, fuel (300 tonnes);
3) A turret magazine;
4) B turret magazine; magazines protected by double-layer of 50mm composite armour with 100mm airspace, edged with 20mm thermosetting insulating foam;
5) Forward SAM and WICS magazine;
6) Forward SAM and CIWS stowage;
7) Reactor spaces, with secondary armament magazines running abreast; secondary armament magazines protected by double layer of 35mm composite with 80mm airspace with 20mm thermosetting insulating foam;
8) Main machinery spaces, containing direct-drive steam turbines, heat exchangers, turboalternators, batteries, and emergency diesel engines; transverse watertight bulkhead separates turbine sets; emergency diesels located, with turboalternators, in compartment six, so that damage/flooding to compartment five does not disable emergency diesels and/or electricity; above these spaces is secondary ammunition storage area for SS-N-22s and secondary armament;
Upper section of 8, 9) After main and secondary armament ammunition storage;
10) Accommodation, sick bays;
11) After storage for AO-18 CIWS and SA-N-20 SAMs, armoued as all other missile magazines; diesel fuel storage (1,700 tonnes) for emergency engines, crew accommodation, backup fire-control systems, P-190 cells;
12) Hangar bay, aviation fuel storage, aircraft munitions stores, aircrew accommodation, VDS spool, VDS auxiliary computer systems.


Armour

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Hull armouring: submerged.

1) The outermost layer of armour for the submerged areas of the ship's hull comprises a large anti-mine and anti-torpedo bulge. The bulge is formed of Type A composite, a composite armour designed primarily to nullify the effects of kinetic energy (for example the energy released by the detonation of a torpedo warhead). The composite is packed into individual steel cells, each designed to vent the blast from an explosive device downwards, back into the water, hence the diagonal shape. The shaping also means that the layer is formed from triangles, an inherently strong shape.

The second layer of submerged defence is the layer of liquid armour backing the composite layer. First developed by the Royal Navy following WWI experience, "liquid armour" proved highly effective at reducing the blast effects of torpedoes. Undamaged cells can also be used to allow the ship to trim herself, for example heeling herself onto one side to increase the range of her guns. In these cells, the walls are constructed to channel the force of an explosion onto the tertiary layer of submerged armour.

The tertiary layer is composed of Type B composite armour (intended primarily to neutralise the effects of thermal energy, but also able to withstand well kinetic energy) reinforced with rods of tungsten carbide coated with steel. This braces the composite layer, giving it extra strength laterally and increasing its resistance to kinetic energy damage. It is also able to aid in bracing the composite vertically, by reducing the movement generated by a detonation.


Protection against low-angle shellfire, missiles etc.

2)As the submarine protection tapers towards the waterline, a very deep strake of Kontakt-5-based ERA runs along the length of the ship. It is capped by a thin (20mm) layer of tungsten carbide to aid in de-capping APHE and armour-piercing missiles.

Behind this layer, the first layer of armour is the above-mentioned Type A composite. This generally runs to the depth of the orlop deck, although this varies with class of ship.

Behind this, and running almost to the keel, comes a deep and thick layer of Vectran plastic, providing both a high insulation capacity and a very high tensile strength capacity. This is in turn backed by a second layer of Type A composites.

Behind this layer comes a triple-sandwich design, in which non-vital communications and systems are placed in a void space, between two layers of thermosetting insulating foam plastic. This offers high resistance to explosive penetration and some resistance to kinetic energy. In the centre of this void space is a 50mm layer of steel plating.

Backing this comes an unbraced layer of Type B composites. This forms the outer wall of another section for non-vital communications, wiring and crew access passageways which become void spaces whene necessary. Since the damage of these spaces is of relatively little importance (either because the function is not important in combat or the systems running in them are duplicated elsewhere) it is not necessarily dangerous to employ them as air spaces.

The second main vertical armour layer is composed of another layer of tunsten-reinforced Type B composites.

The final line of defence is a wall of Type A composite extending to just below the waterline.

Protection from high-angle shellfire and bombs.

3) The upper deck is provided with a layer of Type A and a layer of Type B composites, between which is sandwiched a double layer of thermosetting foam plastic and another non-vital communications and wiring space. Decks Three and Four are provided with Type A composite backing layers.

The second and more important layer of defence, mainly from lower-angle shellfire is a structure of three layers of Type B composites, covered with Vectran and with a core of steel. These extend downwards, cutting through the decks as they go. They are angled to allow the deflection of shells entering the ships, either upwards (if they enter at a relatively flat trajectory) or downwards and towards the water (if they enter at a relatively steep trajectory). These layers are used to form an armoured "tube" of sorts in the centre of the ship, containing the ship's most vtial equipment and spaces (magazines, reactors, machinery and so on).


The keel

4) The keel of the ship is subject to the same submerged armour as the rest of the vessel, but is provided with extra armour in the form of another airspace (through which bilge pipes run) and an extra layer of steel armour, which also acts to provide a firm base for machinery.

Deck armour of two 360mm layers of composite, upper deck of 40mm titanium alloy with 60mm Kontakt-5 ERA beneath and 80mm airspace with insulating foam.

Other armour

Main turrets carry 800mm composite frontal armour, 400 mm composite side armour, 100mm titanium alloy rear armour, 280mm composite roof armour.

Secondary turrets carry 300mm composite frontal armour, 190mm titanium alloy side armour, 200mm composite roof armour, 100mm titanium alloy rear armour.

Missile launcher boxes, SAM launchers, CIWS receive 50mm titanium alloy armour.

Superstructure receives 80mm titanium alloy armour on outer walls and first layer of inner walls.

Armoured conning tower, with 300mm composite armour.


Radar/LADAR

1 ASP-101/Top Pair 3D air/surface-search and fire-control radar suite (SSM and SAM surveillance and targeting; ASP-101 if overloaded delegates SAM operation to Top Pair system only).
1 Kite Screech for AK-130 fire-control.
2 Bass Tilt AO-18 control.
6 Sag Coat short/mid-range beam-alterable fire-control LADAR (AK-130, AO-18)
1 Sage Bag mid-range LADAR (backup SSM and SAM surveillance).
IULLDES LADAR and Radar systems (4 Osminog LADAR, 4 Oko Fire-control radar, 2 SBI-16KB surface-search radar)
2 MR-360A/Podkat-B SA-N-9 Fire-control and surveillance multi-mode radar
Garpun-Bal Improved SSM guidance/targeting radar with integral ECCM and frequency agility

The masts of the ship take the SSM fire-control and surveillance radars, while the upper superstructure holds the navigation and SAM radars.


Sonar

Zvezda-III Sonar suite, MKG-345U bow-mounted LF sonar dome, also MKG-346 conformal array
Ox Tail-S LF VDS


Fire-control

KOK-615B1 fire-control computer, measures gun angle, ship speed, target speed, wind speed, wind direction, cant angle, barrel wear and ship movement to give highly accurate fire-control for main armament and secondary armament when under manual control.


EW

Wine Glass and Bell Shroud ESM Intercept receivers
Bell Squat-B Jammer systems
Burn Eye anti-LADAR smoke generators
18 PK-10 Chaff Decoy RLs


Propulsion

4 OK-800 Hafnium-Lutetium QNRs driving four sets direct-drive steam turbines turning four titanium shafts, each to one azipod propulsor, containing one seven-bladed, variable-pitch bronze screw.

Emergency propulsion: 8 ALK-1250 28,000hp diesel engines, two per shaft, driving through four automatic gearboxes with 4 forward and 2 reverse speeds.

Maximum design speed of the class is 35/36 knots.


Miscellaneous

The hull and superstructure are 37% titanium, which saved approximately 14,000 tonnes of mass. There are more than 60 1m long ventral fins beneath the ship to ensure the greatest stability possible when firing a broadside. There is also a high-power communications array using a 256-bit encrypted satellite transceiver to transmit and receive orders and reports.

http://wmilitary.neurok.ru/ijn/yamato-f.gif
Bows-on view of Hunter.

http://www.bismarck-class.dk/miscellaneous/illustrations_and_drawings/steve_nuttall/pictures/yamato/illustr_yamato_02.jpg
Hunter painted by Steve Nuttall, just after her entry into service.

http://www.battleship.org/images/BN/turkey5.jpg
Hunter on trials off Park Island.

http://www.users.bigpond.com/battleforaustralia/webgraphics/historicalbackground/Yamato.jpg
Hunter running trials off Winter Island. In this view, the early second radar mast can be seen; angled backwards, it was intended to house the MR-710 3D search radar.
Turkmeny
09-08-2004, 21:20
Looks like a good flagship. Any pictures?
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:22
Try refreshing. :)
Turkmeny
09-08-2004, 21:24
Ah, I see, the picture magically appeared ... or the link to it anyways.

That's a nice sketch, did you draw it yourself or did you modify an existing battleship?
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:25
If I could draw like that I'd be earning money for it. Heh. It's an alteration of none other than the last and greatest of all Battleships, the Yamato, with the alterations needed to make it accurate.
Turkmeny
09-08-2004, 21:28
Still, those alterations were rather major, especially to the midships-superstructure, and you did it rather seamlessly. I applaud you.
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:29
Much appreciated! Took a fair old while...still, I owe it to USSNA really, he made all the other sketeches I used actually legible :D
Nazi Weaponized Virus
09-08-2004, 21:33
NQAP - We would be interested in purchasing 3 of these Battleships for our Battle Groups in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Fleets.
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:39
Sorry man, these beasts ain't for sale except to approved members of the RKKA (Workers and Peasants Red Army), or nations I directly approve. And even then the security checks are long and complex (and probably pointless). We do have several other classes of battle vessels, if you're interested:

Soyuz class Battleship (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345086)

Frunze class Battleship (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346420)

Tempest class Battlecruiser (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=346866)
Wolfish
09-08-2004, 21:47
Well done! I've long supported the need for heavy battleships in NS - given the unique war-plagued politics of NS, and the need to delivery overwhelming force in short-order, the Battleships must be the key force-delivery vehicle of the successful navy.

Bravo.
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 21:53
Thanks very much! Any suggestions for improvement?
Doujin
09-08-2004, 23:07
If I could draw like that I'd be earning money for it. Heh. It's an alteration of none other than the last and greatest of all Battleships, the Yamato, with the alterations needed to make it accurate.

While weapon wise, she was indeed powerful - the Yamato was too slow firing, too slow in speed, and to bulky. In the RL world, the Iowa was the better Battleship. The Iowa had the perfect mix of speed, power, and armour and I have no doubt that an Iowa could take out a Yamato, if you gave it time.
Ruissia
09-08-2004, 23:20
We would love to get our hands on one of these...may we buy them?
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 23:21
Ah, in all fairness true. Yamato had the advantage only so long as she was scoring good hits. But a beautiful, very beautiful ship.
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 23:22
Ruissia, we are running checks. Please stand by. :)
Beth Gellert
10-08-2004, 00:19
OOC: I'm hardly an expert, and the largest vessels BG's navy operates are Liopleurodon ferox Class SSBNs (oh wait, we've a couple of WA-build trimaran carriers sitting around in port, too), but the only possible problem I'd note right away is the apparently small difference in displacement between the unladen ship and its fully laden condition. Is that a mere eight thousand tonnes of munitions, fuel, men, and supplies? Maybe I missed something. Anyway, people have to stop this, it's making me want to introduce battleships, too, and then I'd have to use them, and probably lose them, and it would be sad. Heh.
Turkmeny
10-08-2004, 00:23
Your right, actually. A standard Iowa has something like 12,000 tons difference between standard and full load (off the top of my head). I should think 15,000 tons minimum should do it (considering this is more technologically advanced then the Iowa and that reduces some of the extra tonnage).
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 00:23
Good point, actually. I think the empty displacement might be a tad high - after all, it's about 30,000 tonnes heavier than the Yamato unladen, with not that much difference. I shall tweak. Thanks very much :)
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 00:25
Tweaked. Thanks very much, both of you. Everything helps!
Turkmeny
10-08-2004, 00:25
The Yamato was slightly less then 12,000 tons difference, like 11,600, if that helps. (I don't know much about the Iowas, my area of interest has always been the IJN)


EDIT: Oops, I left the room to get a cookie and you already fixed it.
Motorola6
10-08-2004, 00:37
[QUOTE]While weapon wise, she was indeed powerful - the Yamato was too slow firing, too slow in speed, and to bulky. In the RL world, the Iowa was the better Battleship. The Iowa had the perfect mix of speed, power, and armour and I have no doubt that an Iowa could take out a Yamato, if you gave it time. [QUOTE]
I find this quite true. Though the Yamamoto was a force to be recken with with its 18in main batteries, atlast it was to slow and it was gaigantic and could be seen from an extremly long distce. The Iowa's would after awhile destroyed it if they could get to while dodgeing al of the shells from all of the support ships with the yamamoto.
But i must give you props on your ship, it is very well designed from my point, congrads.
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 00:59
Ta mate :D I thought that she was the best choice for a basis. This way nobody can claim "OMG U NEVAR SED ANYTHIN ABOUT THAT SHIP!!! I IGNOREZ U!!!!1111"
Sdaeriji
10-08-2004, 01:39
ooc: You really do a good job with these. Kudos to you.
The Freethinkers
10-08-2004, 01:42
Another very good design :).

The only real problem is displacement. We're talking about a ship over 150 metres longer than the Yamato, and with heavier armor (on average), and yet the weight difference is only around 15,000 tons. In reality, your looking at a displacement of 125,000-150,000 tons at least for a ship this size.

Like I said though, good ship. The problems the original Yamatto had should have been cured by modern technology and equipment, and what you have is an excellent surface combatant. Indeed, its main armour belts could sufficently survive any actual RL weapon currently employed.

Good ship, once again :)
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 01:42
OOC: hey, thanks man. Eep about the displacement though. What's a supertanker displace?
Turkmeny
10-08-2004, 01:47
Anywhere from 100 to 400,000 tons.



EDIT: And on the note of the Yamato, being slow and ponderous wasn't it's main disadvantage, it was lack of efficient fire control in the Japanese navy.
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 01:52
Jesus. Well, I have supertanker docks (4, one for each coast) and am building four more, so I can at least reprovision them. I shall make the displacements 126,547 tonnes unladen and 155,821 tonnes laden. Sound good?
Turkmeny
10-08-2004, 03:09
That looks good to me.
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 03:13
Yarg, modified now. Man, I hope I get to kick ass with this thing :D
Turkmeny
10-08-2004, 03:14
Don't worry, I see plenty of ass kicking in its future. ;)
DontPissUsOff
10-08-2004, 04:24
"I hope it all works. We've spent 14 months building her."
"She'll work." replied Lucy Jones contentedly. "Where is she?"
"Round the corner." She need not have asked. As Lucy rounded the corner, a monumental sight met her eyes.

Grey. Lots of grey. A great, hulking mass of grey.

The MSS Hunter, lead ship of her class, seemed to doze in the afternoon sun in the giant supertanker dock. A great edifice of titanium and steel and composites, she sat waiting for her first sortie, due to commence in less than 20 minutes.

The ship herself was at peace, but her men were not. All over her superstructure, men were running about like ants, most of them carrying something, shouting something, making something shine like new. In fact, the ship had spent a month conducting work-ups, firing her colossal 20" guns, testing electronics and engines. Now it was time for her to take her place in the fleet. already, behind her, the form of her sister, the Thunder, was taking shape. In another 6 months, Thunder would patrol the seas with her sister.

Meantime, Lucy had work to do. She checked thoroughly the scissors the would use to cut the 100m ribbon that stretched across the ship's great bulbous prow, and waited, watching the men load aboard final provisions.

Twenty minutes later, she smiled sweetly, said a short and if she was honest totally pointless speech about how this technological triumph would provide protection for all, and then cut the ribbon. The four harbour tugs heaved with all their might. The water churned to foam. The mooring chains were cast off.

And MSS Hunter moved.

To the accompaniment of an orchestra of ship's sirens and great cheers from the crowd, the tugs towerd the huge warship out beyond the harour breakwater. From there, she started up her great engines again, for her first "proper" cruise.

Hunter headed North along the coast, news helicopters buzzing over her like amiable flies, to meet with her battlegroup.
Wolfish
10-08-2004, 16:01
Thanks very much! Any suggestions for improvement?

Since you asked - I would make some modifications to the next model - or perhaps add it as an optional upgrade.

The greatest challenge for Battleships is to get in as close as possible - thereby increasing the number of targets within range of the barrage.

However, coastal waters can be filled with dangerous hull-wreaking hazards.

Maneuverability is critical to a sustained, deep-penetrating barrage.

So, if I were to upgrade this vessel, I would add bow and stern thrusters - or rotate-able pod main propulsion - like that installed on the new Queen Mary (RL).

With either of these options, you could turn this ship on a dime, hold a fixed position (better for targeting) and still maintain the speeds that you've listed.

I would estimate, that under most conditions, you'd be able to get 10-20 per cent closer to shore with the added maneuverability.

Cheers.
W.
Wolfish
10-08-2004, 17:29
Here is an old thread that debated the merits of battleships.

Cheers.
W.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=311331
DontPissUsOff
13-08-2004, 17:11
Many thanks Wolfish :D I'll add that with some other work I have to do on the propulsion.
DontPissUsOff
19-11-2004, 04:50
Hunter refits completed! Mark II revealed!


Alterations List


Armament

Gunnery:

* All powder guns replaced with ETCs.
* New recoil mountings added to guns to absorb increased recoil.
* Secondary armament (2A64N) replaced with AK-130 130mm automatic guns.
* A and X secondary turrets deleted, replaced with SA-N-9 launcher arms.
* Ammunition loadouts increased: 150 rounds per main gun and 120 per secondary gun.
* Gun now lined with liquid alloys to increase barrel life.

SSMs:

* SSM VLS cells re-sited astern.
* SS-N-19 replaced by P-190 AShM.
* P-190 loadout increased to 32 missiles in two blocks of 16 cells.
* All VLS cells now surrounded by non-flammable gel layer 100mm thick and 100mm firewall.

Anti-aircraft defences:

* S-300PMU replaced by S-400K (naval S-400) missile.


Armour

New armour:

* Industrial diamond now employed in armour.
* Liquid metal alloy now employed in armour.
* Armour thickness increased: armour now 950mm over magazines and 850mm over machinery/reactor spaces.
* Armour composition altered as follows:

Layer I: Kontakt-V ERA.
Layer II: Outer layer of composite.
Layer III: Liquid metal alloy.
Layer IV: Composites.
Layer V: Diamond.
Layer VI: Vectran plastic.
Layer VII: Liquid metal.
Layer VIII: Steel hull plating.

* All vital spaces now contained within pods of kevlar and non-flammable gels.


Sensors

* All vessels now carry ASP-101 multi-function radars.
* All vessels now carry Sag Coat short-range anti-missile (10 miles) and Sage Bag mid-range LADARs (60 miles max. range under ideal conditions).


Propulsion

* Class now fitted with OK-980 Hafnium-Lutetium QNRs.
* Propellers replaced by ducted azipod propulsion systems with X-axis thrust-vectoring.
Roach-Busters
19-11-2004, 05:27
*Tag*

(OOC: For sale?)
DontPissUsOff
19-11-2004, 05:45
OOC: Yeah. I'm going to do an export variant tomorrow.
Izistan
19-11-2004, 05:52
OOC: I'm thinking of either designing a command battleship or working one out with a storefront(trying to find one that does custom designs). Good looking design anyway.
Roach-Busters
19-11-2004, 17:29
bump
Hogsweat
19-11-2004, 17:32
Very nice job, again.
DontPissUsOff
20-11-2004, 22:55
Export Variant available!

The Hunter-class export version differs from the standard Hunter as follows:

1) SS-N-19 retained in place of P-190 missile or user-specified missile.
2) S-300PMU retained in place of S-400K, or user-specified.
3) Hafnium-Lutetium QNRs deleted, replaced by PWRs or user-specified reactors.
4) User-specified electronics installed.
5) Aircraft chosen by buyer.

Price 8.1 billion USD. Comes with full weapon loadout.
Roach-Busters
20-11-2004, 23:30
We wish to purchase 100 of them for a total sum of 800,100,000,000. Money will be wired upon confirmation. Thanks!
Scandavian States
20-11-2004, 23:45
What advantage does a Hafnium-Lutetium QNR have over a pure Hafnium QNR? The reason I ask is that I use pure Hafnium reactors in my vehicles and i was wondering if it was more efficient.
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 00:17
It has a between 45 and 55% higher power output than a basic QNR using the saem quantity of Hafnium, while increasing the space required by the reactor by about 15%. That said, it's bulkier, generates more heat, and the lutetium is used up more rapidly than the Hafnium, so it has to be refuelled more often. All in all, it's a good bet on a large object like a ship and a waste of space on anything else.
Anagonia
21-11-2004, 00:32
Anagonia is amazed by this wonder! How massive and powerful this must be! The Anagonian Navy has been looking LONG for another battleship class, and intern seeks a good design instead of the Iowa classes.....if only we could have production rights....

By asking production rights, no means for SELLING our own model, but keeping it to ourselves for us to build....I mean...wow....this thing is amazing....
Roach-Busters
21-11-2004, 02:42
bump
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 03:03
OOC: Apologies for the slow reply...man, my brain seems to have temporarily suspended operations these days eh?

IC: Roach-Busters is a nation with which we have had few dealings; that said, while we may not see eye to eye on some issues, RB has always been found to be an obliging and agreeable nation, willing to compromise and discuss before reaching for the big guns. Thus, we can confirm this (gargantuan) order. That said, expect delivery to require approximately 25 years.

OOC: What the sales spiel doesn't say is that these are like Russian export equipment: everything is of a lower quality than the original. Makes sure we can't sow the seeds of our own destruction.

IC: We cannot, sadly, sell production rights to these, the finest vessels of the Navy. However, if you should specify an order, we are willing to do our best to fulfill it.
Ottoman Khaif
21-11-2004, 03:55
The Ottoman Navy would like to buy 2 Hunter-class command Battleships $ 16.2 billion.
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 04:14
Order confirmed. Any specific requirements as to equipment?
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 04:20
[I did a little research on Lutetium and found that it had a half-life measured in days. Do you have a contradicting source?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Lutetium+177%22+isomer&btnG=Search]
Ottoman Khaif
21-11-2004, 04:23
Order confirmed. Any specific requirements as to equipment?
No specifics requirements are needed for us.
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 04:26
[I did a little research on Lutetium and found that it had a half-life measured in days. Do you have a contradicting source?

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial&q=%22Lutetium+177%22+isomer&btnG=Search]

I confess not. I hadn't a clue it was that short...still, I shall find another similar element, one preferably with a longer half-life. Or maybe just say there's an isotope or something that has a longer life, if I'm feeling lazy and/or incapable.
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 04:31
I confess not. I hadn't a clue it was that short...still, I shall find another similar element, one preferably with a longer half-life. Or maybe just say there's an isotope or something that has a longer life, if I'm feeling lazy and/or incapable.


[Tantalum should do the trick. It's more stable than Hafnium and has a much higher half-life.]
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 04:31
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutetium#Isotopes

I'm not too savvy with the details, but I should think one of the more stable isotopes could be used. By the way, while you're here, what do you think of the VLS tube siting? I placed them there to eradicate the problem of muzzle blast damage, but I don't know how successful that effort would be.
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 04:34
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lutetium#Isotopes

I'm not too savvy with the details, but I should think one of the more stable isotopes could be used. By the way, while you're here, what do you think of the VLS tube siting? I placed them there to eradicate the problem of muzzle blast damage, but I don't know how successful that effort would be.

[176 isn't a metastable isomer, it's just radioactive. Look at the Lutetium meta states mentioned in the article.

EDIT: Tubes look good, I don't believe they're close enough to absord damage from the guns.]
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 04:39
Ug. Just goes to show how dumb I am really. Ta-180 sounds promising though.
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 04:44
Ug. Just goes to show how dumb I am really. Ta-180 sounds promising though.

[You couldn't have known, most people who get into the whole QNR thing don't. I think I was one of the first to use QNRs extensively, so I had reason to do in depth research. But yes, Ta-180m2 is a good isomer and stable enough that its relative rarity won't bite you in the ass.]
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 05:18
I don't suppose it can be synthesised?
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 19:46
[Yes it can, just like any other radioactive element. However, it does occur naturally and I do have quite a bit of it if you need any.]
DontPissUsOff
21-11-2004, 19:47
*Extends hand* :p Thanks for the help man!
Scandavian States
21-11-2004, 19:59
You'll have to pay for it, of course, but standard market prices are fine. But really, it's no big deal, my country is lousy with metals that can be converted into isomers.