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Yes this is OOC, but the people in I.I. are better in doing this, so I ask you guys, help me.

According to some NS Army Calculator I found it says I have:

10,380,000

So that's my men, now I wanna spread them out, this is where you come in, these are the units I use.

Main Battle Tank: T-90
Main Attack Aircraft: RF-1 (F-18)
Main Bomber Aircraft: RB-1 (FB-22)
Main Heavy Bomber: B-52
Main Jeep: Humvee
Main APC: BMP
Main Cargo Plane: RCP-1 (Hercules Transport Aircraft)
Main Cargo Helicopter: RCH-1 (Chinook)
Main Scout Helicopter: RSH-1 (Little Bird)
Main Overall Helicopter: ROH-1 (Blackbird)
Main Attack Helicopter: RAH-1 (Hind)
Main Heavy Carrier: Nimitz Class
Main Light Carrier: United States Class
Main Missle Destroyer: Arleigh
Main Submarine: Los Angeles Class
Main Command Ship: La Salle Class
Main Ammunition Supply Ship: Kilauea Class
Main Oil Supply Ship: Kaiser Class
Main Rescue Ship: Safeguard Class
Main Hospital Ship: Mercy Class
Main Stealth Attack Plane: RSB-1 (F-117)
Main Light Attack Helicopter: RLAH-1 (Cobra)
I guess that's what a good army needs, now can you organize this according to the numbers? Focusing on the Naval Airforce Aspect of it? I'm not missing anything right? If so, tell me, I'd really appreciate it.

Forgot to add the name of our Spec Ops, they're called the Rosktai.

EDIT: Added Cobra and fixed an error. But I'm asking for numbers mostly...
EDIT: Changed F-22 to FB-22

Firstly it doesn't matter what some calculator said. NS says I have the 506th largest military in the game and even I don't have ten million personnel.

Given the size of your nation you should really aim at having less than a million, after all it would be far too much of a drain on the economy otherwise.
My advice is rarely listened to as I prefer to be realistic and most people prefer just to godmod under the cover of somw 'calculator' or based on somw real world statistic that has been skweed beyond recognistion. So its really your choice.

Less then a million? Hm, well, eh.

Oh and bump, help me.

They say that the active military is 2%, with the inactive military comprising another ... 3%, I believe, for 5% total. Granted, most of this would be logistics and support personal, such as army hospital staff, engineers, the like, and the number would be split across your army, navy, air force, marines...


Main Attack Aircraft: RF-1 (F-18)
Main Bomber Aircraft: RB-1 (F-22)
Main Heavy Bomber: B-52


The F-22 is an air superiority fighter - its job is to shoot other fighters down. It does have attack capability, true, but this is 'secondary' to its primary purpose. The B-52 is vulnerable to enemy aircraft fire (bad thing about not being stealthy), and so is mainly useful as a cruise missile platform. It's not very good at infiltrating behind enemy lines.


Main Jeep: Humvee


I believe there's a difference between Humvees and standard military jeeps, which are more common, but I'm not sure. At any rate, you don't need to keep track of your humvee numbers, unless you want to drive yourself insane.


Main Cargo Plane: RCP-1 (Hercules Transport Aircraft)


The C-130 is useful and a good frontline transport aircraft, but please don't use it as your primary one. It's kind of small, for starters. The main US cargo today is the C-17.


Main Cargo Helicopter: RCH-1 (Chinook)
Main Scout Helicopter: RSH-1 (Little Bird)
Main Overall Helicopter: ROH-1 (Blackbird)
Main Attack Helicopter: RAH-1 (Hind)


You would probably need more variety in your helicopters...I'm assuming you mean Blackhawk for your 'overall' helicopter (utility is the technical term, I believe)...the Hind is a powerful helicopter, but it hasn't got much manueverability and is very, very heavy. Transports eight soldiers as well. You may want to consider getting some Ka-52s or AH-64s in there...



Main Light Carrier: United States Class


What's that?


Main Stealth Attack Plane: RSB-1 (B-117)


What's that? I don't really see the need to categorize aircraft into 'stealth' and 'non-stealth,' but suit yourself.

The US Naval inventory...it's on order for 480 F-35Cs, along with 480 F-35Bs (US Marine Corps)...I believe it has something like 400-500 F-14s with over a thousand F-18s in all. That's a rough guess; I'm not too sure.

I know the Apache is better then the Hind, I just wanna keep a Russian flavor there.

As for the F-22, what would you recommend for a light bomber?

Thanks for the clear up on the cargo planes, I'm a little rusty.

I put Main Jeep, because I didn't know how to describe it really.

As for Helicopter, what would you suggest?

The United States Class? I don't know, Hallad sold it to me :p

Eh, you're right, I don't know why I categorized into stealth, eh, just makes me feel better.

And as for the percentages, I'm asking you because I suck at math...

0.1%-0.5% of your population as a maximum number of front-line troops. I keep my army at 0.1%, for a net sum of 700,000 troops. Half are active, the other half are rapid-deployment-reserve.

Go |here| (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=275828) for a good discussion on ligostics and army sizes.

So much to calculate >.<

You could go for something like the tornado for a strike craft.
As for good fighters go for the SU 72a 9i think thats it) its the mutts nuts. if you want more help on the navy just pm me ok?

What is the NS army calculator and where can I find it?

You could go for something like the tornado for a strike craft.
As for good fighters go for the SU 72a 9i think thats it) its the mutts nuts. if you want more help on the navy just pm me ok?

But the Tornado is like a Snowspeeder, right? It's works better close to the ground. I want to bomb from up above.

you dont really if your low you can go under radar. you hug the terrain and you bloody hard to hit. it works high as well though its used as an interceptor. its the muti role master.

As to a helo debate the hind and apache are similar, while the apache is smaller and more manouverable the hind is better armoured, faster (in a straight line), far more stable as a firing platform, better able to operate in hot and high conditions with a much much larger payload it is also far more reliable (the apache is a maintainance hog and frequently suffers malfuntions in the feild, the US army would have inflcited far more freindly fire incidents on itself if the apache's main gun didn't have quite as high a jamming occurance).

for a gunship i would say go for the hind and perhaps suplement it with a light gunship such as the tiger or Mangusta which can also repalce msot of your light observation helos (OH-6s, those you retain i would replace with the EC135 or the MD-90).
appart from that it's fine but i wouldr ecommend you get a couple of S-80/CH-53Es or Mi26s to give you some serious lifting power.

As to an attack aircraft i would go for the F-15I/K, EF typoon or the SU-34.

I still need help aka bump, sorry for the annoyance

The Isle of Rose,
You could have FB-22 Medium Bomber which is an F-22 but instead its payload is increased and now it has Delta Wings instead of regular wings. Here's a picture of it:

Call me TIOR.

Thanks, now, can somebody organize this mess for me? That's what I've been asking for a long time.

ok whats the population of your nation and its economy?

Tornados are nice strike bombers as are F-16s, and A-4s. You wont find many non-heavy bombers that bomb from above. Most nowadays race in as close to the ground as possible and then race out to avoid detection. For a light carrier I would suggest the Charles De Gaulle Class their newer than the United States Class. If you want to keep a Russian Flavor think about adding the Kirov Class Cruiser to your navy. Very Nice Ships. Only modern RL ships that can be considered Battlecruisers. You need some AEGIS cruisers also. The Ticonderoga II is a nice one for that job. No mobile artillery? Get some Striker/Knight Artillery or the Crusader. You need to have some ground based artillery. As transport aircraft having only C-130s would reduce the mobility of your army. Their good for transporting small amounts of soldiers and Hummers. What you need to added are larger craft. C-17s and C-5s will need to be added to transport your army. Also for your carrier airwings it looks like you've got only F-18s. I would supplement this with F-14s or JSFs along with A-6 Intruders, and E-2C Hawkeyes at least. As for numbers just geuss or play it by ear. Just get a rough number for each and you'll be fine. I hope I helped a little.

ok whats the population of your nation and its economy?

519 Million and it's a "Powerhouse" economy

@Morathania

I'll fix it up as soon as I have rough numbers

Well really, it depends on what you wish your military to focus on. For example, the Hattian military specializes at taking and holding ground with heavy armor and mechanized infantry, along with surgical special forces strikes to decapitate the enemy, but at the expense of our navy and air force.

For a light bomber, I'd recommend the F-177A. Good for surgical strikes and such.

And what are your main small arms?

Well I think that you should try to have a good all around armed forces. A good army, navy, air force, marines, special forces.

right if we say you can go for a 1% population in armed forces (thas what i have). that works out to a armed force of 5.95 million men or if you wanna be more reaistic id say you should go for over the 1 million mark.

Its hard to say how many you should have of what. if you give yourself a armed forces which is about 8 times the size of the uk forces youd be ok. that would mean a fleet of 400 ships ( the uk has 50 main line ships includeing subs) so you can divide your forces up by that as you wish.
The RAF is 48,00 strong so you could say bout 350,000 thats includeing all logistics people. fraid i dont know how many men are in the army but that can be up to you remember youve got bout 5 million men to use if you want

Well really, it depends on what you wish your military to focus on. For example, the Hattian military specializes at taking and holding ground with heavy armor and mechanized infantry, along with surgical special forces strikes to decapitate the enemy, but at the expense of our navy and air force.

For a light bomber, I'd recommend the F-177A. Good for surgical strikes and such.

And what are your main small arms?

TIOR focuses on Carrier deployment, using bombing to weaken the enemy, then sending Special Forces and or a sort of Blitzkrieg to finish the job.

Our Main rifle is the HK G36 our sidearm is the Colt .45, the main submachine gun is the MP5, our light machine gun is the S.A.W. the US Army uses, our heavy is the 50 Caliber machine gun. Anything missing?

I know the Apache is better then the Hind, I just wanna keep a Russian flavor there.

As for the F-22, what would you recommend for a light bomber?

Thanks for the clear up on the cargo planes, I'm a little rusty.

I put Main Jeep, because I didn't know how to describe it really.

As for Helicopter, what would you suggest?

The United States Class? I don't know, Hallad sold it to me :p

Eh, you're right, I don't know why I categorized into stealth, eh, just makes me feel better.

And as for the percentages, I'm asking you because I suck at math...

Apache and Hind are similar, but not very. You'd need a good attack helicopter, like the Russian Ka-52 or the American AH-64, but the Russian Hind is also dead useful as a troopcarrying gunship. It's unique in that no other helicopter packs its amazing firepower and also ships eight soldiers to the frontlines.

If you wouldn't mind subliminal corporate advertising, I have two cargoes for sale, a primary one (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343989) and an uber-sized one. (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344464)


Weyr's link made my head hurt. It's good, but honestly, this is freeform. Nobody calculates their manpower exactly (it changes every day!) and figures out how many F-15 pilots and C-5 pilots they have. Well, at least I don't. :looks around:


You could go for something like the tornado for a strike craft.
As for good fighters go for the SU 72a 9i think thats it) its the mutts nuts. if you want more help on the navy just pm me ok?


Noo! Tornado is horribly outdated. I don't know what you would do for a 'light bomber'...but not the Tornado. I assume by light you mean not uber-heavy such as the B-2...so I'd have to go with a bomber like the Tu-160 or Tu-22, although the -160 is preeetty big. Bombers aren't light, if you want light, then you mean strike fighter or fighter-bomber, in which case both the F-15E and Su-34 are solid choices.

Don't do the FB-22. It's not coming into existence as far as I see and it's only a concept; a nice 3D render with a nice PopSci article to match. If you wish, you can develop a fighter off that; many people have, but the FB-22 doesn't exist so you can't really use the FB-22, as its statistics are completely unknown.

A-4s are a thing of the past as well. They were good...in their day, decades past. F-16s are renowned dogfighters, excellent multirole, and particularly good at ground attack. However, Kazakhstania's F-41 (do a search on his created threads) are a better alternative at a similar price.

Carriers...F-18s aren't bad, actually. The US Navy is operating pretty much only F-18s as combat aircraft, with F-35s supplementing them later. The F-14s are going into retirement, replaced by the F-18s, which are pretty impressive as far as our multirole fighters go. It's the best we've got besides stealth, which is entirely different due to its limited payload. (It sucks not being able to carry bombs under the wing and on the wingtips)

You still need support aircraft though, such as EA-6 (A-6 is gone, too) electronic warfare aircraft and E-2C hawkeyes. F-14s are alright, if you upgrade them...I suppose...

Hattia means the F-117, I believe. It's stealthy, but there are stealthier aircraft (specifically, the newer ones). It has an unbelievably small payload; so I'd suggest using the F-35 in that role. F-35s are quicker, cheaper, faster...

Oh God, who knew running a VIRTUAL army was so hard :headbang:

the tornado is not out dateted its just been updated you fool.

look just set out to say you have the ability to mobilize bout 750,000 to a million ground troops. you have a fleet of about 500 ships that includein subs.
And no one really takes cound of aircraft so make it up just dont go silly.

You can do much better. Upgrading can only do so much for the Tornado...it was a respectable fighter, in its day, but that time has passed. England is already seeking to replace it (FOAS). Match up a Tornado against a modern NS air force...and, well...

Easygreen, on the contrary, keeping track of aircraft is important. You don't need to keep track of little things such as M-16 issues, but for multibillion dollar, multiyear contracts for large combat equipment such as naval vessels, tanks, and aircraft...it's a good idea to keep a tab on your numbers.

Hey TIOR, if you don't mind more advertising, I have a F-35 replacement (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=323071) as well.

you dont really if your low you can go under radar. you hug the terrain and you bloody hard to hit. it works high as well though its used as an interceptor. its the muti role master.


As much as i hate to say it the Tornado didn't get nicknamed the "flying cofin" for nothing. While it can operate nicely at low level it sucks about anywhere else and the dedicated interceptor version the F3 isn't all it cracked upto be either althought it has improved with the much delayed full AMRAAM upgrade.

To be honest outside of the B-2 and F-117 (which should really be what you are looking for in a light bomber) all bombers and attack aircraft have to use low level penetration against a semi awake enemy. The B-1B and B-52 could only realy be used in traditonal bomber roles over afghanistan and iraq because the level of air defense was so pitiful.

for aircraft assignments i woudl recomend:
bombers: B-1B backed up by some B-2s or if youa re going soviet then aim for the TU-160
strike fighter/light bomber: F-15E/I/K or the F-117

look just set out to say you have the ability to mobilize bout 750,000 to a million ground troops. you have a fleet of about 500 ships that includein subs.
And no one really takes cound of aircraft so make it up just dont go silly.

Thank you, if you ever need some sort of help, come to me. Geez, now I can go to making my armed forces.

*goes to work*

But if anyone has an opinion, keep posting, math ain't my strong suit >.>

F-18 can't hold chops to an F-14 in a dogfight. The F-14 is a much better interceptor and fighter than the F/A-18. The Hornet is good if you need to strike a target and get rid of some enemy aircraft at the same time but it does not have the armament, the speed or the manuverability to be an interceptor. The F-22 will start operations with the US Air Force next year and the JSF probably wont begin flying until 2007 or 2008. F-16s are good strike fighters. The TU-22 and TU-160 are very large. They were made to be long-range heavy bombers for the Soviet Union. The Tu-160 is the largest bomber in operation it is definitely not a light bomber or a strike aircraft. F-16s and F/A-18s are good strike aircraft as is the Strike Eagle. I do not know much about Sukhoi aircraft so I can't say my opinion about the SUs.

Its only known as the flying coffin when the yanks are about (the only tornado lost was due to yank fire).
Im being realistic the tornado is one of the best all round aircraft out. its perfict for a smaller nation. but anyway hes only looking for suggestions here i doubt he want a full on arguement hapnin

but anyway hes only looking for suggestions here i doubt he want a full on arguement hapnin

Thank you.

Form a light armored Division and a mech. infantry division with The BMP-3M in it. Its a great APC and light tank.

Our Main rifle is the HK G36 our sidearm is the Colt .45, the main submachine gun is the MP5, our light machine gun is the S.A.W. the US Army uses, our heavy is the 50 Caliber machine gun. Anything missing?


Aww, you don't use my rifles that I gave you... :(

Anyway, Zoogie. Generally, I think light bombers are mainly for precision strikes and don't need a large payload. Of course, that is my opinion...

NWV: Yeah, the BMPs are really good...

Aww, you don't use my rifles that I gave you... :(


I still love ya :p

Glad to see your using the rifles I gave you though.

Yay, and I have a new IFV that you might be interested in. It's got a 30mm ETC Vulcan on it, like the A-10s...

Aww, you don't use my rifles that I gave you... :(

Anyway, Zoogie. Generally, I think light bombers are mainly for precision strikes and don't need a large payload. Of course, that is my opinion...

NWV: Yeah, the BMPs are really good...

Oh...I see light bombers as the B-1 class, I don't really know how to categorize precision strike aircraft...eh, maybe I'll just call them 'Precision Strike Aircraft.' Anyways, the F-35 doesn't have a large payload either, similar to the F-117, but it's newer, faster, and more agile...

@Moranthania...I believe the Tu-95 was the largest Soviet bomber.

Yay, and I have a new IFV that you might be interested in. It's got a 30mm ETC Vulcan on it, like the A-10s...


Oh dear, do i really need to go into why rotary barrel weapons are only ever used on aircraft or as AAA or CIWS? and adding ETC firing to a gatlign weapon would be rahter cmplicated.

Single barrel weapons are the way forward for IFVs. (unless you are fighting the polseen...)

Hmm, really...?

Mind explaining it?

rotary barrel/gatling gun= hideos inaccuracies as they are designed to spray rounds over a fairly wide area and thus over come an aircraft's problem with lack of stability (due to manouvering or the vibration of a helo etc) and lack of time to take a decetn shot.
on an IFV the massive size (a basic GAU-8 is about eh size of a VW bettle, hence why the 20mm vulcan is still used in phalanx as a lot of vessels simply don't have room for goal keeper) and weight are simply wasted as you don't need the extra fire power.

hence why the next gen US IFV gun is the MK44 30mm bushmaster which can be upgraded to use the Super 40 round (also knwon as 40mm supershot). this might in turn be repalced with the 35/50mm bushmaster 3. of course the european answer is the 40mm CTA gun (appart from the germans who are looking at the 35/50mm system).

Ah, thanks for clearing it up. I wasn't really aiming for accuracy with it though. I suppose a gun system similar to the one on the Shilka would be more effective?

Yes the Tu-95 Bear may be larger but the Tu-160 is the largest bomber in operation today so that would mean its not the light bomber or strike aircraft that somebody said it was.

Nope a single barrel decently powerful gun is all you need, any ROF over about 500rpm is liekly wasted unless it is a purely AA system.
A decetn single barrel 30mm ETC cannon would be acceptable and you could perhasp scale it upto 40mm sucessfully.

Each Division contains:
50,000 Infantrymen, 2,000 BMP-3s, 1,000 RCH-1s (Chinooks) 5,000 Support Staff, 4,000 Humvees, 3,000 ROH-1s (Blackhawk), 3,000 T-90s, 700 Priests for Religious Purposes, 1,000 RLAH-1s (Cobra Attack Helicopter) 300 RAH-1s (Hind)

In Total 70,000 Personnel per Division
Total 10 Divisions

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All this warfare and no commaders. Need good commanders to go along with all of this weaponary and manpower.

Just tell me if it's realistic.

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