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Tempest class Battlecruiser, now for sale

DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 15:42
Tempest class Battlecruiser

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N.B. This and all other weapons systems will not be sold to the following:

1) Aggressive Governments, Right or Left-wing
2) Far right-wing Governments/organisations which undertake aggressive actions against other nations for no good reason;
3) Terrorist organisations
4) Enemies of DPUO
5) Enemies of our allies
6) Any front-man for any of the above.

Discounts are available for:

*Members of any alliances with us
*Nations unable to pay immediately but capable of paying in installments
*Nations who the Government supports who need the ships immediately and cannot pay on the spot.


Overview
Shortly after specifications were laid out for the Soyuz-class Battleships,the Naval Staff turned their attention to the field of cruisers to compliment their new acquisitions. The Kirov class CGN was felt to be too lightly armoured for the role of this new projected cruiser: accompanying battleships into action, but having the speed to also act as scouts. In effect, the new cruiser design would be a Battlecruiser.

When this was realised, there was uproar among the Naval Staff, a clear split in opinion becoming rapidly apparent. The bitterest debate in Naval Office history ensued. The proponents of the Battlecruiser concept argued that the mistakes of the World War One and Two Battlecruiser designs could and would be avoided by their new designs, and that in any case this cruiser would posess weapons and armour that its' World War Two stable-mates would have found unimaginable. Those against the design argued that there was no guarantee of such a design succesfully eliminating the faults in the older Battlecruisers, that the Battlecruiser concept itself was flawed and had failed in combat, and that the enormous financial and material outlay needed to construct an entirely new class of ship, with virtually no outside expertise available to them, was completely unjustified. The debate raged around the Naval Office for 17 months, with not a few sackings involved, and regular bouts of verbal sparring, often degenerating into simple insults, becoming a daily part of the military and civilian press. However, the faction supporting the Battlecruiser concept was backed by the Deputy Defence Minister, and he was able to persuade the Prime Minister to support the Battlecruiser project. With his backing, and an increasing number of previously non-aligned or staunchly opposed persons embracing the Battlecruiser design proposal, the opponents of Battlecruiser development admitted defeat. In a vote put before the House of Commons on Jun 12th 1995, the House voted 461 to 112 to allocate funding for design and procurement of up to 20 Battlecruisers.

The parametry for these Battlecruisers was the subject of some of the most intense debate ever seen in the Naval Office. The obvious wish to avoid repetition of the disastrously poor designs of WWI and II Battlecruisers precluded any talk of thin armour; indeed these ships had a similar armour scheme to the Soyuz-class Battleship. The two main areas studied for the purposes of increasing speed were therefore the adoption of lighter armament (literally) and the adoption of uprated engines, such as liquid metal cooled reactors. However, it was quickly realised that liquid metal cooled reactor technology, still in its' relative infancy following the abortive Alfa-class submarine of the U.S.S.R., still had far too many issues to be a reliable and cost-effective propulsion method.

At the end of the discussion period in the Naval Office, a contract was offered to all four of the major DPUO shipbuilding firms. The contract specified that the class must have armour capable of resisting impacts by at the least 16" gun shells and TASM surface-to-surface missiles, have the most advanced anti-aircraft and anti-missile suite possible, displace not more than 67,000 tonnes fully laden, and be able to fit in at least 25% of the existing naval yards of the country. The specification also set down that the ship had to be able to reach a speed of forty knots.

Such a design was described as being "like trying to fit a pair of antlers onto your head - it could be done, and it'd be one hell of an achievement, but your head would ache a lot after you'd managed it." The design proposals submitted by the major firms showed a clear reluctance to reduce the armament of the ships. Every design had at least 8 16-inch guns, and every design went over the displacement limit by at least 4,000 tonnes, the worst being in fact 8,000 tonnes over displacement limit. All designs were rejected, and the companies went back to the drawing board. Each company then submitted three more proposals within as many months. None was accepted, each either exceeding the limite of displacement or lacking in speed or armour. The Naval Staff, in a desperate bid to get something done, raised the limit to 79,500 tonnes fully laden and requested one last design from each firm. And finally, on the point of giving up the entire project, one was submitted, a joint proposal put together by the engineers of Balfour Shipyards and A.F. Kurtsov Marine Design. This deisng was, after some slight revision, accepted, and construction begun of prototype guns and turrest for armament tests. While this was in progress, the keel of the first ship was laid down, although progress was kept deliberately slow until the completion of main armament tests. Once these were found to be satisfactorily completed, the design was ordered into production. The ship was designted the Tempest class Battlecruiser.


General

Crew: 1,884
Displacement: 74,090 tonnes unladen, 79,194 tonnes fully laden
Endurance: 120 days' steaming, 70 days' combat
Dimensions: Length 394m, Beam 32.5m, Draught 8.4m

Armament

Main armament is the DK-46B 14-inch rifled naval gun, mounted in two four-gun turrets each with elevation of 43 degrees and depression of -16 degrees. The guns fire APDS, HE, HE-FRAG, smoke, laser-guided 8-inch and chemical shells. Maximum range is 41km, with an accurate range of 20.7km. The armour-piercing shell has a mass of 1,922lbs. Barrel life is approximately 280 full-charge firings.

Secondary armament is eight 2A64N smoothbore 152mm guns, mounted in twin turrets on the outer deck, near the centre of the ship. These are capable of elevation of 37 degrees and depression of -15 degrees. Maximum range is 30Km, maximum accurate range 22.9km. Four rotatable and trainable SS-N-22 Sunburn SSM launchers are provided at the corners of the superstructure. There are also 12 VLS cells for the SS-N-19 Shipreck AShM.

AA defences are some of the most comprehensive yet provided on a warship. Lon-range air defence is provided by the SA-N-6 (S-300PMU) long-range SAM system, for which there are eight launchers. Second-tier air defence is provided by the SA-N-9 medium-range system, for which there are ten launchers. Close-range air defence and anti-missile defences are provided by the IULLDES (http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343036) Mark III system, consisting of 11 ASL-100 CIWS guns with a range of 1.5-0.5km, and 4 AO-18 air-defence guns with similar range. These provide extremely high anti-missile defence against all known systems, being able to place a literal wall of fire between any incoming missile and the ship. These systems are closely integrated, to provide a high degree of jamming invulnerability and all-conditions performance.

These ships can also carry anything up to three Ka-27 ASW helicopters, or 2 Yak-41M2s, and 4 targeting/recconaissance drones. Alternatively, since 4 drones are equvalent in terms of space required to 1 helicopter and 6 are equivalent to 1 Yak-41M2, the user can place anything up to 16 recconaissance drones aboard the ship.

Ammunition allocations

Main armament: 800 rounds
Secondary armament: 1,200 rounds
SA-N-6: 120 missiles
SA-N-9: 150 missiles
SA-N-20: 88 missiles
SS-N-19: 12 missiles
SS-N-22: 32 missiles
SS-N-27: 16 missiles
CIWS: 248,000 rounds

Compartmentation

The hull is divided by 40mm composite bulkheads into 6 compartments, each with its' own independent pump system and power generator for that pump system.

1) Storage, crew accommodation, fuel for emergency gas turbine engines, sonar dome auxilliary backups;
2) Forward main armament, secondary armament and CIWS ammunition storage;
3) Reactor spaces, with small compartment above for SS-N-22 storage;
4) Main machinery spaces, containing geared steam turbines, heat exchangers, emergency gas-turbine engines and their gearboxes, turboalternators, batteries etc;
5) Aft main and secondary armament magazines, CIWS magazines, missile magazines (bisected by SS-N-19 launch cells)
6) Aft storage, aft crew accomodation, ancilliary equipment for towed array sonars and anti-torpedo decoys.

The ammunition magazines incorporate blow-out panels and pressure-release valves to minimise damage in the enet of a magazine explosion. The large open spaces of the engine and reactor rooms are divided by transverse bulkheads separating the individual reactors, engines and shafts. One reactor can run both sets of turbines via pipelines which traverse the bulkheads.

Armour

The armour belt runs thusly:

Bow to bulkhead 1: 360mm composite armour with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 120mm composite armour, with insulating foam in between layers.

Bulkhead 1 to bulkhead 2: 430mm composite armour, with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 195mm composite armour, with insulating foam between layers. 100mm torpedo bulge, widening to 150mm at bulkhead 2.

Bulkhead 2 to bulkhead 3: 390mm composite armour, with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 180mm composite armour, with insulating foam between layers. 150mm torpedo bulge.

Bulkhead 3 to bulkhead 4: 390mm composite armour, with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 180mm composite armour, with insulating foam between layers. 150mm torpedo bulge.

Bulkhead 4 to bulkhead 5: 430mm composite armour, with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 195mm composite armour, with insulating foam between layers. 150mm torpedo bulge, tapering to 100mm at bulkhead 5.

Bulkhead 5 to stern: 360mm composite armour with double-layer of Kontakt-5 ERA. Deck armour of two layers of 120mm composite armour, with insulating foam in between layers.

Turret armour

Main turrets

Front: 320mm composite armour
Side: 250mm composite armour
Rear: 120mm composite armour
Roof: 200mm composite armour

Secondary turrets

Front: 260mm composte armour
Side: 175mm composite armour
Rear: 100mm composite armour
Roof: 120mm composte armour

Superstructure is armoured against shell splinters, missile splinters, shell up to 50mm calibre etc.

Electronics


Radar/LADAR

MR-710 Fregat-MA 3d Air/Surface search radar, datalinked with Kite Screech and Oko radars
4 Palm Frond Nav radar
Volna SA-N-6 fire-control radar
Kite Screech AK-130 fire-control radar
IULLDES LADAR and Radar systems (4 Osminog LADAR, 4 Oko Fire-control radar, 2 SBI-16KB surface-search radar)
2 MR-360/Podkat SA-N-9 Fire-control
Garpun-Bal SSM guidance/targeting radar


Sonar

Zvezda-IIM Sonar suite, MKG-345 bow-mounted LF sonar dome
Ox Tail-B LF VDS


Fire-control

KOK-615B1 fire-control computer, measures gun angle, ship speed, target speed, wind speed, wind direction, cant angle, air temperature, gun temperature, an inputted barrel wear value and ship movement to give highly accurate fire-control for main armament and secondary armament when under manual control.


EW

Wine Glass and Bell Shroud ESM Intercept receivers
Bell Squat Jammer systems
Burn Eye anti-LADAR smoke generators; armoured vents in sides of hull
16 PK-10 Chaff Decoy RLs

Propulsion

2 OK-700w 210MW Pressurised-water reactors driving four sets geared steam turbines turning four shafts, each with 1 seven-bladed variable-pitch bronze screw

8 backup MK-84F gas-turbines, two per shaft, driving through two automatic gearboxes with 4 forward and 2 reverse speeds.

Top speed for the class is 41 knots.

Cost of each vessel is approximately 6.2 billion dollars.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 19:32
Der bümp!
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 19:39
Isn't 6 billion a little pricy for an 80K tonner? I mean, Aircraft Carriers of similar tonnage cost closer to 4 billion, and Aircraft Carriers are typically the most expensive naval warship.

I could be wrong, I don't pretend to be an expert, but this just strikes me as odd.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:10
Do aircraft carriers carry 8 14-inch guns, 8 6-inch guns, plus ammo for both, composite armour, laser rangefinders, fire-control computers, anti-submarine missiles, anti-ship missiles, and insanely potent CIWS systems? Well aye, some do actually carry the powerful CIWS and the missiles, lol. But The main expenses are the composite armour and the guns and their assosciated gubbins.
Praetonia
08-08-2004, 20:11
And the main carrier expense is the airwing.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:13
Aye. Bah! Looks like nobody has faith to buy this thing. Ah well, more for me :D
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 20:14
I've just always thought that Aircraft Carriers were typically more expensive, because of the airwing and the equipment and whatnot that associates it. Oh well, whatever. I guess I was wrong. :headbang:
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:17
Meh. Aircraft carriers are really a quite different breed. The high cost of the composite armour, the gun turrets and whatnot is the main reason for the expense.

And stop the banging thing.
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 20:23
Sorry, I likey the bangey.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:25
Yeah, but the whole skull damage thing is really bad..

Anyway, back on topic! Somebody show some bloody interest! :p
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 20:28
I'll buy four.

24.8 million dollars, I believe?
Slimestoria
08-08-2004, 20:29
I'll buy two. The $12,000,000,000 will be wired to you upon confirmation.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:32
Before any sales are completed background checks must be run. I require the following information:

*Assosciations with Communist Mississippi (any at all and no sale)
*Policy towards left-wing nations
*Last military action undertaken
*Alignment to our allies
*Politics of your nations.
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 20:36
*Associations with Communist Mississippi: Turkmeny has no relations, and my old nation of Tokarev (which can't log on to the forums) once fought a war with them, and thus they are enemies.

*Policy towards left-wing nations: My nation is heavily right-wing.

*Last military action undertaken: 35,000 troops deployed along Zambian-Angolan border; 500,000 troops fighting for independence from Ottoman Empire in central Kazakhstan.

*Alignment to our allies: I don't know who your allies are, but unless they are Communist Mississippi or Fedral Union then I have nothing against them.

*Politics of your nations: Turkmeny is a psychotic dictatorship, with only one major port, and the ships will be used in its defense. Tokarev is a large and powerful parliamentary republic, based off of Japan (both politically and geographically).
Scandavian States
08-08-2004, 20:41
[Once again a very balanced (and powerful) design. I don't know that I would have gone with composite armour, I tend to stick to super-strong alloys for armour purposes, but you are right in stating that it would be expensive.

And just an FYI for the people here, I field an aircraft carrier and a supedreadnaught that are in the 550 meter range, the SD costs almost three times more per ship. So no, carriers aren't the more expensive vessels, not even by a long shot.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:41
If you have no relations with CM, please explain this:

The United Socialist States of Turkmeny would like to extend a hand of friendship towards Communist Mississippi.
Slimestoria
08-08-2004, 20:44
*Assosciations with Communist Mississippi: Not that I know of...
*Policy towards left-wing nations: I don't really have policies for particular types of nations.
*Last military action undertaken: No military actions have been taken toward anyone as of yet.
*Alignment to our allies: Not sure who your allies are but I probably have no quarrels with them.
*Politics of your nations: We are a Corporate Police State with hardly any political rights.
Turkmeny
08-08-2004, 20:44
That "hand of friendship" was summarily rejected by Communist Mississippi. The rejection is in the "Cold War" thread, I forget which page. Anyway, I offered a hand of friendship, but it was rejected, and now our forces are at odds in Mississippi Libya.
DontPissUsOff
08-08-2004, 20:48
Processing your requests.
Spunjonia
08-08-2004, 20:52
I'll have two!

Hold any aircraft carrier upgrades!

I dnt care about price!

Cheers!

:sniper:
Silverous
08-08-2004, 21:23
We the people of Silverous, Would like to buy five of your battle cruisers. Or if you would send us the specs we will build them our selves, Me people could use the work. We can trade if you you like, please reply.
Hattia
08-08-2004, 21:43
Hattia wishes to purchase 3 of these Battlecruisers...

Would it be possible that I could purchase the design spec and production rights for these?

I believe that will be 18.6 billion and you know our stances on Communist Mississippi and whatnot.
Crookfur
08-08-2004, 23:21
Blody hell(deliberate mis spelling)

its bigger than my mainstay battleship!!! with bigger guns to boot (of course my logn barrel 12"ETC guns are very heavy for thier size).

But then it all comes down to your designation and the roles its intedned for as soem class the Iowa as a battlecrisuer (since it is too fast for a true battleship).
The Freethinkers
08-08-2004, 23:28
Indeed, the speed does trouble me a bit. (It really should be on the other side of forty, ie high 30 kts, but anyway). Its another good job though, nicely made and researched, and another good selection of weapons and sensors.

Generally though, I wouldn't recommend russian weapons...they were a bit...unreliable?
DontPissUsOff
09-08-2004, 00:29
Meh, Russian systems aren't bad, only if poorly maintained; unfortunately this was rather endemic in the Soviet system, along with poor construction quality. And the speed...yes, the speed was a headache. I'm not immensely happy with it myself; despite the weight savings made through smaller main armament, no conning tower etc it still only has a displacement some 10,000 tonnes lighter than that of the Frunze. Then again, I figured that that might be enough, given her max. speed is 34 knots.

Hattia: Sure thing. Three Tempests on the way. production rights? Yeah, I can see a way to that. I'll hammer summat out with you in a bit if that's OK.
The Parthians
19-11-2004, 07:03
Shah Khosru would like to purchase ten for the Imperial Parthian Fleet.

Total comes to 62 billion.