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In the Atlantic, Pacific, Indian, and Arctic Oceans, the Doujin Navy anounced plans for 4 off-shore bases that will house maintenance and repair utility vessels, large data processing centers, a small protection Battlefleet, and in-house defenses. Modified off of an ongoing project of the Organization of Maritime Powers, Doujin will be utilizying these plans to maintain a massive network of undersea detection lines. Specifics on these lines is being withheld, but information on the bases themselvse is being made public.

Atlantis One - Picture (http://www.gaizme.com/nationstates/images/Atlantis-1.JPG)

Runway Module:
1-2 50m wide runways (500m long)
300,000 tons total payload
180,000 m2 (2 million sq ft) total storage space
30 million+ gallons fuel (100,000 tons)
20 million+ gallons water (75,000 tons)
125,000 tons equipment storage
-2000 cargo containers
-300 tactical combat aircraft
-1500 vehicles
6250 crew (including air wing)
1250 troops

Cargo Module:
325,000 tons total payload
250,000 m2 storage space
3000 crew
1250 troops

Liquid Stores Module:
325,000 tons total payload
65 million+ gallons fuel (220,000 tons)
30 million+ gallons water (105,000 tons)
2000 crew
1250 troops

Aircraft Storage Module:
300,000 tons total payload
50 million+ gallons fuel (175,000 tons)*
20 million+ gallons water (75,000 tons)*
75,000 tons equipment storage (500 tactical aircraft)
8750 crew (including air wing)
1250 troops

Troop Module:
300,000 tons total payload
1500 crew
7500 troops

VLS Module:
300,000 tons total payload
87,500 m2 max deck space
Up to 2407 64-cell blocks (154,048 missiles) w/ Mk.41 VLS
3750 crew
1250 troops

Naval Gun Module:
300,000 tons total payload
87,500 m2 max deck space
Up to 54 30"/60 cal guns (18x3) or 252x16"/60 cal guns (84x3)
7500 crew
1250 troops

Ballistic Missile Module:
300,000 tons total payload
87,500 m2 max deck space
Up to 5000 D-5 Trident II, or 8000 Minuteman III, or 3250 Peacekeaper, or 7500 RT-21M (SS-20), or 35,000 Pershing II (!)
8750 crew
1250 troops

Command Module:
200,000 tons total payload
100,000 tons armor & C3I equipment
8000 crew
4000 troops


Notes:
-Cargo capacity and crew stats for the modules are approximations. We may find more or less depending on the specific module and/or research.
Also, much of the information listed is guidelines. There's a lot of room for customization.

-Most military aircraft, especially fighters, can land and take-off within 2000m (4 runway modules). However, large cargo aircraft, their derivatives (AWACS, tanker, SIGINT, etc), heavy bombers, and a few special units may need upwards of 2500-3500m to take off effectively.
The base has a quartet of 4000m runways on the hub to allow all aircraft to land on it.

-For fuel, a Nimitz class carrier carries 3 million gallons, and its escorts, if they aren't nuclear powered, will carry about another 3 million gallons for themselves. The aviation fuel in that is enough for over 12 days of flight operations.. A fleet oiler or AOE will carry an additional 6-7.5 million gallons as well. Therefore, a full liquid stores module has enough fuel for about 5 full Nimitz carrier groups.

-The base itself is powered by large fast Supercritical water-cooled reactors. These reactors are very high-pressure water reactors which operate above the thermodynamic critical point of water - giving it a thermal efficiency of about a third of the older design of reactors (in the RL world). The supercritical water (25 MPa at 510-550°C) directly drives the turbine without any secondary steam system. There are also passive safety features, similar to those of simplified boiling water reactors. The fuel used is Uranium Oxide. The reactors are built as fast reactors, allowing full actinide recycle based on conventional reprocessing. Each reactorp roduces 1500 MWe.

Many Utility vessels with deep sea (27,000 feet) 'Alvin' sized submarines for laying and repairing advanced SOSUS and other lines at the ocean floor will be housed at the very large facility.

There are multiple routers in the building, capable of 92tbps(or 11776gb/s) linking the entire center with the others, along with several data uplinks to the large satellite network being established.

Estimated project costs for construction are over 5 trillion dollars per base. Funds are being gathered by investors and those who have interest in Project Atlantis, along with the sale of the Doujin Class BBCNs that occured recently.

The leaders of Project Atlantis would like to thank Clan Smoke Jaguar, Pacific Northwesteria, and others involved in the Join OMP Naval Base project currently underway for design ideas etc.

OOC: Now, I know people may want to dispute the router speeds, but Cisco already has a router that they are getting ready to sell(if they don't already) in the near future that is capable of exactly that, with a beta network already set up

^^^

last bump before night night

wow, that is a bit big. 54 30" gubns on each modual? can the base take the recoil from all those guns?

wow, that is a bit big. 54 30" gubns on each modual? can the base take the recoil from all those guns?

They would obviously have to be designed to do so, but I doubt I will go for 30" guns. Maybe 26-28" guns.

The EOL wishes Doujin the best of luck in their endeavor but closely monitors construction, verifying that it does not pose a threat to the EOL.

this is a truly impressive feet of engineering and as a token of our friendship withe Doujin, the emperor of Huzen Hagen is delighted to announce that the Holy Empire is willing to foot the bill for 2 of these bases if Her Empress Fate wishes to except.

ooc: i have an enormous bugetary surplus, i havent bought anything or gone to war for months and the majority of it is in an account earning interest so this sum although hefty is easily affordable

Do you know how much this is costing? I'm estimating about twenty trillion per base.. if not more.

To Whom it May Concern Within The Government of Doujin,

While we will offer good luck to the nation of Doujin, we are worried that these projects, which are excessive in magnitude, could stand to threaten the peace in the Pacific. The Constitutional Queendom will certainly not broke any opposition to these plans, but we will voice our verbal concerns, and issue a warning that any threat against the people of Paradisovia will not be taken lightly.

Tanya Tantalopys
Supreme Amazon
The Constitutional Queendom of Paradisovia

Do you know how much this is costing? I'm estimating about twenty trillion per base.. if not more.

Looks in national surplus... $53.74352057T to spend. Hmmm...

May the govenment of Binthor ask what coasts these platforms are going to be located off?

Do you know how much this is costing? I'm estimating about twenty trillion per base.. if not more.

whoops, i thought i read the figure of 5 trillion each. Still we would be willing to donate a large sum toward the construction of one of these bases

Is this the project which the Veritasean government has already contributed a great deal of money towards, or is this an independent work?

I and my people are intreged by this. Therefor we will send 10,000 workers towords production. Also, you may use any of our resources to gather materials. good luck!!

Is this the project which the Veritasean government has already contributed a great deal of money towards, or is this an independent work?

Same project, UV. I said over 5 trillion, because at the time I didn't have an exact number.

Alright, just making sure. I thought it was the same. Now what exactly do we get out of donation?

Alright, just making sure. I thought it was the same. Now what exactly do we get out of donation?

I second this curiosity.

I second this curiosity.

Layertab, you get nothing.

UV, we'll talk later :p

Once again, Doujin is rewriting the rules of naval warfare. Why am I not surprised? Well done.

Layertab, you get nothing.

We'll just have to spend our 53.7T elsewhere.

We have a request: Would we be permitted - for a suitable fee, obviously - to employ these bases to reprovision our vessels, with notification given to you?

We'll just have to spend our 53.7T elsewhere.

You never said anything about investing in the project, so :)

You never said anything about investing in the project, so :)

I would like to invest in the project, that's why I mirrored the curiosity of UV on what an investment/donation would yield.

My god, Doujin! Its a bloody monster!

Once again, Doujin is rewriting the rules of naval warfare. Why am I not surprised? Well done.

I wouldn't go quite that far in this case. Offshore bases have been around for some time on NS. I founded two permanent ones several months ago and I believe New Empire has done so, Isolationist People, and various other nations that I don't know about. Also, as Doujin said, this is building on an idea that the OMP is currently working on too. His superdreadnoughts maybe, his offshore bases, no.

Once again, Doujin is rewriting the rules of naval warfare. Why am I not surprised? Well done.

I don't think he means in the size of the base, I believe he means the intelligence network itself which will track pretty much all naval movements.

Sevaris you know the United States has a SOSUS network under the whole Atlantic and taps into phone lines running under the water to monitor the noise levels? They can, with help from satellites, pretty much track anything anywhere whether it is above or below the water, if they really had to.

Binthor would like to donate to Atlantis, but as we still owe Layarteb money for fleets, we really cannot do that right now... Maybe we will donate when our debts to other nations are paid off.

Binthor would like to donate to Atlantis, but as we still owe Layarteb money for fleets, we really cannot do that right now... Maybe we will donate when our debts to other nations are paid off.

BTW with each payment more stuff arrives until finally everything will have arrived when the last payment is rendered.

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I would like to help contribute to this project, if I may be allowed...

Sevaris you know the United States has a SOSUS network under the whole Atlantic and taps into phone lines running under the water to monitor the noise levels? They can, with help from satellites, pretty much track anything anywhere whether it is above or below the water, if they really had to.

Actually they couldn't. The US doesn't use most of the old SOSUS lines anymore, most of them are shut down since '97 or '98 I do believe. The ones they do use are for low frequency surveillance of underwater mammal life. They do have the IUSS, Integrated Underwater Surveillance System, but that's mainly close to shore.

The Emperor of Huzen Hagen is pleased to announce that the sum of 11.2 trilllion is being donated to prject atlantis, we hop this most genorus gift will help further relations with Doujin.

Raginsheep is highly interested in this technological marvel from Doujin and would like to help if possible.

Actually they couldn't. The US doesn't use most of the old SOSUS lines anymore, most of them are shut down since '97 or '98 I do believe. The ones they do use are for low frequency surveillance of underwater mammal life. They do have the IUSS, Integrated Underwater Surveillance System, but that's mainly close to shore.

You honestly think that those lines could not be reactivated or the phone-lines retapped in necessary? It's not like the lines are out of date, I mean what's the quietest Russian subs, the Akula SSNs? They are a little louder than 688s so...

You honestly think that those lines could not be reactivated or the phone-lines retapped in necessary? It's not like the lines are out of date, I mean what's the quietest Russian subs, the Akula SSNs? They are a little louder than 688s so...

I honestly believe that the US might not be able to reactivate the SOSUS hydrophone arrays. That's why they are deploying a deep sea system etc etc, which is costing hundreds of millions of dollars.

Layarteb, that's also a ludicrous things to say. The quietest Russian SSN according to most soucres is the Akula-II, and all the ones I find say it's actually quieter at low speed (up to 9 knots) than any of the 688s. And you're hardly going to attempt to traverse the SOSUS lines at 20 knots, are you?

Layarteb, that's also a ludicrous things to say. The quietest Russian SSN according to most soucres is the Akula-II, and all the ones I find say it's actually quieter at low speed (up to 9 knots) than any of the 688s. And you're hardly going to attempt to traverse the SOSUS lines at 20 knots, are you?

The Akula-II is slightly quieter than the 688/I. I wasn't sure if any had been deployed but I know the standard Akula is slightly quieter than the 688. The Seawolf is quieter than any of them as well as the Virginia.

The thing that Ruskie's never caught on when they made their subs is this:

1 giant propellar = fewer RPMs and less noise
2 small propellars = lots of RPMs and lots of noise

Those Typhoons can be heard at a lot less than 20 knots!

I'm sure the "Ruskies" have a submarine just as capable as the Sea Wolf, even if it was only one submarine.

Well Doujin you managed to make somthing orginal and cool and useful yet again. Well done!

So what's to stop someone from just dropping noisemakers all over the place? (basically a buoy with a thing to make noise in the water for messing with sonar, and a gigantic self-inflating balloon to provide a radar signature)

There are any number of ways to spoof or otherwise annoy such a network :p

Axis Nova

So what's to stop someone from just dropping noisemakers all over the place? (basically a buoy with a thing to make noise in the water for messing with sonar, and a gigantic self-inflating balloon to provide a radar signature)

There are any number of ways to spoof or otherwise annoy such a network :p

Axis Nova

It's not just a sonar network, AN :) But it doesn't really concern you, so why do you bother posting in my threads?

Praetonia is willing to donae $1 trillion to this project in order to gain access to it. OOC: Didnt really know where to put this so Ill put it here.

Praetonia is willing to donate $1 trillion to this project in order to gain access to it. OOC: Didnt really know where to put this so Ill put it here.

Doujin thanks Praetonia for it's interest in Project Atlantis, and once Atlantis is complete will sell Praetonia the necessary equipment to connect to it (I never said the equipment to connect was free with donation :p)

Hmm. I will contribute 5 trillion USD and any facilities in JJR you may wish to use.

It's not just a sonar network, AN :) But it doesn't really concern you, so why do you bother posting in my threads?

I'm just tossing out hypotheticals here. And I'm asking questions because I feel the more information I have about things, the better.

....anyways. Why not just fit the advanced networking equipment to the Doujin class and park THOSE where you want the stations to be? It'd be cheaper (I can't believe I'm saying a Doujin would be cheaper than something! :eek: ) and you'd get something a lot harder to sink.

Axis Nova

I'm just tossing out hypotheticals here. And I'm asking questions because I feel the more information I have about things, the better.

....anyways. Why not just fit the advanced networking equipment to the Doujin class and park THOSE where you want the stations to be? It'd be cheaper (I can't believe I'm saying a Doujin would be cheaper than something! :eek: ) and you'd get something a lot harder to sink.

Axis Nova

A lot harder to sink? What is going to sink this platform without severing the underwater support structures? What is able to get within range of this, anyway?

A Doujin wouldn't be able to hold the roughly 2kmx1.25 km (long/wide) data processing centers that is there.

Good point.

And I can think of several ways to either sink it or render it useless.

If it's anchored to the sea bottom, it's stationary. Which means it's GPS coordinates are always the same.

The anchors themselves could be attacked by submarines (though really, I'd only trust a Poseidon class to pull it off). So could the platform.

Indirect gunfire with a big freaking gun would work too.

A Thor rod would do the job as well.

Really, if the place can't move, the possibilities are endless.

Not saying it's not a good idea... but there are some problems with it.

Axis Nova

Good point.

And I can think of several ways to either sink it or render it useless.

If it's anchored to the sea bottom, it's stationary. Which means it's GPS coordinates are always the same.

The anchors themselves could be attacked by submarines (though really, I'd only trust a Poseidon class to pull it off). So could the platform.

Indirect gunfire with a big freaking gun would work too.

A Thor rod would do the job as well.

Really, if the place can't move, the possibilities are endless.

Not saying it's not a good idea... but there are some problems with it.

Axis Nova

You'd have to get a submarine that could survive the sonar. It is built mobile (hence the modules), but will be connected to supports to keep it stationary.

The Empire of Layarteb, with much review desires strongly to contribute significant funds to this project for what was stated in the TG but we are unsure what "significant" means.

GODMODD! I ignore this island as it takes too many resources to produce. Look at that island airport they made in Japan. That took years and wasn't made of steel, only had 1 runway, was smaller, and wasn't put that far off land. This is pretty much impossible by any 2010 or 2020 tech. Try the 23rd century.

OOC: This is hardly a godmod, IDF. Godmod would be a perfect description of you and your RPing, but I'm ignoring the fact that you absolutely are horrid because, frankly, I'm bored.

OOC: I'm curious what are the overall dimesions of the whole base from end to end, and total tonnage.

Well, the "core" or "hub" is 3000x2975m (6x17 modules), Each module I would say is 500 meters long and 175? wide.

OOC again:

Whoa... Basically you're saying the whole base is like 5 kilometers from northmost edge to southmost edge and approximately the same from westmost edge to eastmost edge? Thats factoring all the modules and stuff.

That's one HUGE structure, and to top it off, it's on the water. Must take a whole lot of construction and stuff to do it.

I wonder if any current RL nations can actually do this feat? Just curious.

It is very possible, with the kind of funding this is recieving. Concrete pillars could be sunk using their own weight peice by piece using massive waterborn cranes to carry the pieces from where they are being built. The weight of the pillars (probably about 50,000 tons) means that they will be fixed to the seabed by their own wieght which allows for some minor movement, making the whole platform more resistant to storms

OOC: [size=1]How many RL nations have a population of 1.45 billion and an economy better than that of the United States?

RL Concept 1 (http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/military/2003/4/battle_island/images/tb_battle_island-lg.jpg)
RL Concept 2 (http://xtreme.eng.hawaii.edu/research-projects/vlfs/parts/vlfs1_big.jpg)

Do a google search on "Joint Mobile Offshore Base" for more info.

OOC:

Oh My God. I looked at both examples, and I was like "damn" when I looked at the 1st example. It looks somewhat like Rome on a gigantic ship. Now I can really visualize your Atlantis platforms.

I thought stuff like that was science fiction. :D Thanks for the links, Doujin. I have three questions though (out of curiousty).

1. Won't there be resource shortages to produce such a gigantic area of steel, concrete, and plastic? To build these mega platforms would require millions or billions of steel girders, concrete slabs, plastic parts, etc.

2. I wonder if it's even remotely possible to have it truly mobile, as in ship-mobile? So if the base is threatened in a nuclear war, it can keep mobile?

3. How would the base itself stay anchored to the sea floor? By thousands of chain + anchors like ships? Or concrete struts like in bridges?

OOC:

Oh My God. I looked at both examples, and I was like "damn" when I looked at the 1st example. It looks somewhat like Rome on a gigantic ship. Now I can really visualize your Atlantis platforms.

I thought stuff like that was science fiction. :D Thanks for the links, Doujin. I have three questions though (out of curiousty).

1. Won't there be resource shortages to produce such a gigantic area of steel, concrete, and plastic? To build these mega platforms would require millions or billions of steel girders, concrete slabs, plastic parts, etc.

2. I wonder if it's even remotely possible to have it truly mobile, as in ship-mobile? So if the base is threatened in a nuclear war, it can keep mobile?

3. How would the base itself stay anchored to the sea floor? By thousands of chain + anchors like ships? Or concrete struts like in bridges?

1. The NS world is larger than Jupiter.. so imagine.

2. if things go nuclear, it will be the first to empty it's payloads.

3. Titanium reinforced concrete struts, with 4-5 large chains running the length further holding the two together. It will be designed so that it can move with the ocean, as to keep up with all sea states (it would have to..) while remaining mostly in the same position

OOC: Doujin explain how this is possible in RL modern tech.

OOC: This is hardly a godmod, IDF. Godmod would be a perfect description of you and your RPing, but I'm ignoring the fact that you absolutely are horrid because, frankly, I'm bored.
OOC: Nice, I challenge that some idea is not possible in RL and you go to personal attacks, real classy.

And Doujin tells me my super computer Automated Defense Network isn't possible but this "Atlantis" *Cough*Godmod*Cough, is possible... What a crock.

And Doujin tells me my super computer Automated Defense Network isn't possible but this "Atlantis" *Cough*Godmod*Cough, is possible... What a crock.

Explain how it isn't? It's just an adaption of the JMOB.

Communist Missippi, the difference between Atlantis and your ADN is you claim your ADN can carry on after your mainframe computer was destroyed. The Atlantis Network has 4 off-shore bases (or will have) where 2kmx1.25km of each base is dedicated to data processing/computers, not to mention the many shore-based DPCs.

The ASCI White, soon to be the fastest supercomputer in the world, will take two to three months to map a single nuclear explosion, let alone formulate counters, monitor nuclear warhead stockpiles, etc etc.

Geesh, such complexity. One wonders if a giant offshore base is effective or worth its price.

Geesh, such complexity. One wonders if a giant offshore base is effective or worth its price.
a single 50 million dollar nuke turns it to dust

Explain how it isn't? It's just an adaption of the JMOB.

Communist Missippi, the difference between Atlantis and your ADN is you claim your ADN can carry on after your mainframe computer was destroyed. The Atlantis Network has 4 off-shore bases (or will have) where 2kmx1.25km of each base is dedicated to data processing/computers, not to mention the many shore-based DPCs.

The ASCI White, soon to be the fastest supercomputer in the world, will take two to three months to map a single nuclear explosion, let alone formulate counters, monitor nuclear warhead stockpiles, etc etc.
explain how it's possible Doujin, it isn't. I will ignore this base. I know you are basing it on some pipe dream idea in Popular Mechanics, but that isn't even possible and this is much larger. This is about as realistic as a space elevator to the moon. Go RP future 23rd century and this is OK, but not in modern tech.

explain how it's possible Doujin, it isn't. I will ignore this base. I know you are basing it on some pipe dream idea in Popular Mechanics, but that isn't even possible and this is much larger. This is about as realistic as a space elevator to the moon. Go RP future 23rd century and this is OK, but not in modern tech.

It wasn't an idea from Popular Mechanics. The ONR (Office of Naval Research, US Navy) did an extensive study on it - but decided against continueing with it after the study was completed because it would be cheaper for joint operations and such.

If you looked a little harder, IDF, you would find studies by Western Michigan University, National Defense Magazine, Global Security, FAS, the Army R&D Symposium, CSBA - and literally over a hundred more studies by the US and others.

IDF, I grow tired of your, frankly, bullshit. Go away. Thanks.

Of course this base is possible. Its just really, really expensive and, in my view, not really worth it. I mean, how much did this thing cost? Enough for you (Doujin) to seriously overhaul your surface fleet, probably enough for the LRRN to aquire several thousand new missile boats.

Of course this base is possible. Its just really, really expensive and, in my view, not really worth it. I mean, how much did this thing cost? Enough for you (Doujin) to seriously overhaul your surface fleet, probably enough for the LRRN to aquire several thousand new missile boats.

Well, it it would cost about 1.05-1.6 trillion for the base itself, but due to the computers and processing centers it is substantially increased (the price)

Doujin, it seems you are avoiding my points on how this is not modern tech and a godmod

Doujin, it seems you are avoiding my points on how this is not modern tech and a godmod

http://discoverychannel.co.uk/extremeengineering/home.shtml, take a look at some of those. Using techniques used in those projects it could easily be done.

Doujin, it seems you are avoiding my points on how this is not modern tech and a godmod

IDF, I said go away - I'm done with you. I don't have time to put up with your bullshit, just because you don't want to have to deal with things.

IDF, I said go away - I'm done with you. I don't have time to put up with your bullshit, just because you don't want to have to deal with things.
Just 1 more question, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE?

I would agree that this tech is not strictly modern in nature. Post-modern, perhaps.

Axis Nova

Just 1 more question, HOW IS IT POSSIBLE?

Leave the thread now. If anyone wants details on the JMOB / MOB studies, either read them yourselves or give me a detailed question.

Leave the thread now. If anyone wants details on the JMOB / MOB studies, either read them yourselves or give me a detailed question.
I'm asking you to simply explain how you can construct such a large JMOB with modern technology and techniques. If it isn't modern as pointed out by Axis Nova, then many will ignore it as it is future tech and about as realistic in our time as a Sovereign class Dreadnought (which would be USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E)

[Doujin, in your profile there's a link in the functions for a Buddy/Ignore List. Just add him to the ignore list and his posts won't even be visible to you.

IDF, you have been asked to leave this thread alone. Please respect that.


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I'm asking you to simply explain how you can construct such a large JMOB with modern technology and techniques. If it isn't modern as pointed out by Axis Nova, then many will ignore it as it is future tech and about as realistic in our time as a Sovereign class Dreadnought (which would be USS Enterprise NCC-1701-E)

Same way the MOB/JMOB is - theres no real difference, just in the way it is assembled in the end. The modules are the same, just what they consist of on top is different. Now, good bye.

TO: Doujin

From: Minister of defence, Ludvigsen.

Dear sir a public adrres and press conference would have been better as we feel you have insulted us in ludvigsen. Or maybe you have something to hide.

We will keep an eye on you be warned.

Ariel ludvigsen

TO: Doujin

From: Minister of defence, Ludvigsen.

Dear sir a public adrres and press conference would have been better as we feel you have insulted us in ludvigsen. Or maybe you have something to hide.

We will keep an eye on you be warned.

Ariel ludvigsen

WTF? Go away.

go fuck yourself then retard, never said it was a closed rp, you are a total knob

It isn't a closed RP, it was a mer announcement - but take a good look at your post. Pure idiocy, and don't flame me :)

Whats wrong with that post just telling you how it is, don't be a retard

The Artitsan Navy is very interested in this project and its applications of use in Modern Combat. We would be very pleased should we be allowed entry to the project, since we have a very large budget set aside for a project such as this. We would like to remind Doujinshi Corperation of our coexistance in APTO, and from one member to the other, we would be happy to defend and help Doujin in a time of need.

Signed,

Mikhail Kobachov
Admiral Mikhail Kobachov
Senior Naval Officer of Black Umbrella Projects.

Vladimir Overdanski
Vladimir Overdanski
President of Artitsa

TO: Doujin

From: Minister of defence, Ludvigsen.

Dear sir a public adrres and press conference would have been better as we feel you have insulted us in ludvigsen. Or maybe you have something to hide.

We will keep an eye on you be warned.

Ariel ludvigsen
Huh? You haven't even posted in this thread before. Wait you're insulted because someone announced something in a certain way? What the hell are you on about?

*goes to lie down*

Huh? You haven't even posted in this thread before. Wait you're insulted because someone announced something in a certain way? What the hell are you on about?

*goes to lie down*

:x

OOC:

Doujin, I'm curious.... how big is your navy? 10,000 ships? Just wondering since some people say you're a naval Mega-Power even without your 4 artifical islands.

OOC: I don't know how big his navy is, but he pours his ENTIRE defense budget into it, allowing him to have a larger than normal one due to not having an army or airforce. Kind of like I have a larger airforce and army than normal since I don't have a navy.


Axis Nova

The Artitsan Navy is very interested in this project and its applications of use in Modern Combat. We would be very pleased should we be allowed entry to the project, since we have a very large budget set aside for a project such as this. We would like to remind Doujinshi Corperation of our coexistance in APTO, and from one member to the other, we would be happy to defend and help Doujin in a time of need.

Signed,

Mikhail Kobachov
Admiral Mikhail Kobachov
Senior Naval Officer of Black Umbrella Projects.

Vladimir Overdanski
Vladimir Overdanski
President of Artitsa

ooc: Gonna ignore this Doujin?

The Goverment of Inkana would be happy to donate a few billion into Project Atlantis.

ooc: Gonna ignore this Doujin?

Sharina, my naval force is around 3,000 ships - including aux. ships. I could indeed have probably 10,000 ships - heh - but a single Battlefleet of mine can take out entire conventional fleets, and are more expensive to build, maintain etc than other ships therefor it balances itself out. Also, when you have 17 behemoths that drain a large amount of your budget... :p

^

OOC:

Behemoths? Hmm... sounds like an interesting warship. I'd like to see their stats if possible. :D

OOC:

Behemoths? Hmm... sounds like an interesting warship. I'd like to see their stats if possible. :D

I meant 17 Doujin's :p

OOC again....

Heh. I looked the stats of your Doujin with the link provided from one of your ally's threads. Edosa was the name of the nation, I think.

I know my nation has no chance in hell of having one of these nifty ships, it being 250 billion dollars each, but we are trying to build up our Navy even more.

I am not sure if this is excessive or not. Here's my fleet.


6 Kirov-class cruisers
9 Kidd-class destroyers
15 Grisha V-class frigates
3 Arizona-class battleships
1 Yorktown class Aircraft Carrier (for my future air-force)
1 Imperator class Missile Cruiser
1 Torrent class Missle Cruiser
5 Arleigh Burke class DDGs
3 Farragat class DDGs
2 Perry class FFGs
1 Ticonderoga class CG

100 Dragoon class Assault Hydrofoils are expected to arrive in my nation shortly.



If this is excessive, I can put several ships in stand-by mode, with a skeleton crew, and berthed in my nation's large natural harbor and bay until we can continuously operate all these vessels with a larger budget.

[I assume the capships are WWII era, so that's fine. Your navy looks good.]

I'm basically a Modern Era nation.

My navy has the most modern (1990 - 2005) radar and computers to keep up pace with other modern nations.

Again, a little off topic. I just heard about the OMF and it being a great naval alliance to RP with, and I don't know if I'd be eligible. Is there a prequisite population and GNP level to join in? I honestly don't want to be stuck waiting for 1 RL year for my nation to be big enough to join in.

My nation is going to be a mostly defensive and compassionate one. I have no plans to invade any nations, and I am focusing my entire military budget for defense of my nation.

The closest thing to an "invasion" my nation would go would be peacekeeping forces, to aid allied nations in times of need. Also, my nation ruthlessly attacks and destroys pirates, with no quarter given.

Sharina, my naval force is around 3,000 ships - including aux. ships. I could indeed have probably 10,000 ships - heh - but a single Battlefleet of mine can take out entire conventional fleets, and are more expensive to build, maintain etc than other ships therefor it balances itself out. Also, when you have 17 behemoths that drain a large amount of your budget... :p

If you ever go into recession and can't afford them it is going to be amusing I have to say. Same goes for me, if I can't afford that mil of my I'm screwed.

I'm interested in this project and would like to contribute $200 billion to it as a sign of good luck on this great endeavour.

I do have some questions and comments that you can probably answer though,

1. How is it powered? I'm sure it is probably nuclear reactors, but it wasn't marked on the pic so I'm just assuming nuclear reactors?

2. Are the modules connected at sea at the final destination or in a protected harbor? If so, do you use a fleet of Doujins to tow it to it's final destination?

3. Why so many CPUs? Are you using 1950 mainframes that take up the space of a hockey rink and have the same capacity of a Palm Pilot? If you are using modern computers then I'm wondering what needs that many mainframes? Even with all the guns it seems you have way too many computers to do the job. Why do you need such a computing capacity?

4. I think that it would do you need more runways. You may have some overkill on the CPUs and weapons, but if you don't want to remove any then you can make it larger to accomodate more runways.

5. Why not make it with multiple decks? I mean it seems each module is single use with a few that have different weapons and storage type. I think you can make multi-deck modules where you have CPUs on the bottom deck and storage or personal quarters or even plane storage on an upper deck.

I hope you can answer my questions and that you take my suggestions into effect. I've had fantasys wondering what such a manmade island would be like, but you've gone the extra step and built it, Good job at it too.

With that many CPU's you will need some coolant to keep it from burning up, so if you need any frion from Sicily's chemical plants we will donate them to the cause.

I'm interested in this project and would like to contribute $200 billion to it as a sign of good luck on this great endeavour.

I do have some questions and comments that you can probably answer though,

1. How is it powered? I'm sure it is probably nuclear reactors, but it wasn't marked on the pic so I'm just assuming nuclear reactors?

2. Are the modules connected at sea at the final destination or in a protected harbor? If so, do you use a fleet of Doujins to tow it to it's final destination?

3. Why so many CPUs? Are you using 1950 mainframes that take up the space of a hockey rink and have the same capacity of a Palm Pilot? If you are using modern computers then I'm wondering what needs that many mainframes? Even with all the guns it seems you have way too many computers to do the job. Why do you need such a computing capacity?

4. I think that it would do you need more runways. You may have some overkill on the CPUs and weapons, but if you don't want to remove any then you can make it larger to accomodate more runways.

5. Why not make it with multiple decks? I mean it seems each module is single use with a few that have different weapons and storage type. I think you can make multi-deck modules where you have CPUs on the bottom deck and storage or personal quarters or even plane storage on an upper deck.

I hope you can answer my questions and that you take my suggestions into effect. I've had fantasys wondering what such a manmade island would be like, but you've gone the extra step and built it, Good job at it too.

With that many CPU's you will need some coolant to keep it from burning up, so if you need any frion from Sicily's chemical plants we will donate them to the cause.

Your mapping and monitoring the entire world, and the world is bigger than Jupiter.. it will be used for other things as well, mapping nuclear explosions etc etc (The ASCI White which is going to have a single floor dedicated to it will take couple months to map a small nuclear explosion.) So no, I think I have enough.

Your mapping and monitoring the entire world, and the world is bigger than Jupiter.. it will be used for other things as well, mapping nuclear explosions etc etc (The ASCI White which is going to have a single floor dedicated to it will take couple months to map a small nuclear explosion.) So no, I think I have enough.
I think you may have accidentally selected quote for my questions and comments and then answered a different one, I would love if you could answer my questions, thanks.

OoC: All I can say is...holy **** that is huge.

Also:

This is about as realistic as a space elevator to the moon.

*Ahem*, space elevators, while not reaching all the way to moon (No real reason for it, you can transfer back and forth on a ship easy since there is no massive required escape velocity), are likely to be a feasible idea in something like 50 years. Once we get the whole self-replicating Carbon-nanotubes thing down pat, the only thing STOPPING us from building one is budget constraints and the current political climate in the world.

As a matter of fact, my nation is in the very early stages of developing one, and it will be in full swing come my transition from modern to post-modern tech. Heck, I may throw up a few more when I go full-out space and even galactic tech.

IC
Official Notice from the Industrial Experiment / Chaos Experiment Relations Council

We of the ICRC, taking notice of this massive undertaking, are even further impressed by the Doujin's dedication to naval power. Seeing as Industrial Experiment and its officials also have a soft-spot for very, very large ships, we have taken an interest in this project. Noting that, between our two countries, we have saved up a massive budget surplus over the last ten years of peace, we would be willing to donate 2 Trillion USD to the Doujin out of goodwill and ask for nothing in return, forgiving the Doujin for whatever reasons they had for not selling us any Doujin Mk II's.

However, should the Doujin chose to sell us the equipment needed to tap into this system after its completion, we will not be ones to complain.

The Kingdom of Salissia would be happy to help the construction of this scientific marvel in any way it can.

-Prime Minister Ginevra Gentileschi

[[OOC: I really would like to see how this turns out, it seems fascinating, especially since I haven't ever thought about anything like this before. I mean, everyone's dreamed of making their own floating island, but who (other than a few) can say they've really found a way to make it come true in the near future? I applaud you. =)]]

I think you may have accidentally selected quote for my questions and comments and then answered a different one, I would love if you could answer my questions, thanks.

I answered with my last post the below question.


3. Why so many CPUs? Are you using 1950 mainframes that take up the space of a hockey rink and have the same capacity of a Palm Pilot? If you are using modern computers then I'm wondering what needs that many mainframes? Even with all the guns it seems you have way too many computers to do the job. Why do you need such a computing capacity?

1. The base itself is powered by large fast Supercritical water-cooled reactors. These reactors are very high-pressure water reactors which operate above the thermodynamic critical point of water - giving it a thermal efficiency of about a third of the older design of reactors (in the RL world). The supercritical water (25 MPa at 510-550°C) directly drives the turbine without any secondary steam system. There are also passive safety features, similar to those of simplified boiling water reactors. The fuel used is Uranium Oxide. The reactors are built as fast reactors, allowing full actinide recycle based on conventional reprocessing. Each reactor produces 1500 MWe.

2. They connect themselves at sea.

3. Already answered.

4. Why need more runways? What would the point be? A carrier group would also be stationed here..

5. It is multi-decked, but the lower decks are dedicated to that module, meaning that the space below is used to be able to provide what the module is supposed to - if that makes any sense at all.

6. I hope you do not mean Freon, because I would like to note use a material that is as toxic as it is. Freon uses a couple toxic gases as refrigerants, and I'd rather not have ammonia, methyl chloride, and sulfur dioxide in my base in large quantities as a coolant :)

OOC: Er, the entire base will be floating on SEAWATER. He has all the coolant he needs right around him :p

Axis Nova

6. I hope you do not mean Freon, because I would like to note use a material that is as toxic as it is. Freon uses a couple toxic gases as refrigerants, and I'd rather not have ammonia, methyl chloride, and sulfur dioxide in my base in large quantities as a coolant :)

I guess I'm not a big environmentalist, but our chemical plants will gladly donate some coolant, whatever type you need as a token of good luck and to make sure you are out there keeping the water safe,

oh, did you accept our $200 billion gift to help with the costs of this project?

OOC: Er, the entire base will be floating on SEAWATER. He has all the coolant he needs right around him :p

Axis Nova
Seawater wouldn't be good as it would corrode alot of the systems and would not be enough to cool all those computers and circuits. If it were fresh water it would be a different story, but sea water has corrosive properties that would severely cut down the service life of the Atlantis Islands.

[Sicily, how familiar are you with liquid cooling in computers? And Axis Nova is right, probably more so than he suspects, sea water is better at absorbing waste heat than normal tap water, it has something to do with the salinity.]

[Sicily, how familiar are you with liquid cooling in computers? And Axis Nova is right, probably more so than he suspects, sea water is better at absorbing waste heat than normal tap water, it has something to do with the salinity.]

You probably know more on this thatn I do and I'm not as familiar as I should be with liquid cooling, but I do know that salt water corrodes and would negate the advantage of absorbing more heat energy that is produced by the computers.

If I'm wrong I await you to explain it to me as I'm fairly ignorant on this subject and a little info would be helpful and help me invision this better

[ http://compreviews.about.com/library/weekly/aa120902a.htm ]

The pipes that will hold the coolant water are covered with a film of TiO2, Titanium Dioxide - which does not corrode to salt sea water.

thanks for explaining it.

Your welcome -.-

That settles it then?