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Currently Scellia is engaging in research our scientists are calling the F/X program. In recent years it has become obvious that stealth or speed are lacking in defensive measure pertaining to aircraft. Now we must look to the last, and first, frontier in aeronautics, maneuverability. Scellia scientists have proposed a new way to increase maneuverability many manifold, using thruster like those on a space shuttle. Boeing XRS-2200 Aerospike engine is the key to the puzzle, by placing 1/20 sized Aerospike engines in fairings(blister shaped bumps on the hull) Scellian scientists hope to get approximately 1/100 the thrust of the full sized version, ~2000 lbs. At 1/20 the size they will occupy a space 6.7*4.5*4.5 in. with a hydrogen fuel cell partially inserted into the plane the entire array will take up minimal space. Six of these place strategically on the fighter would give it immense maneuverability, plus six canards place 30 degrees apart just behind the cockpit would give the fighter the ability to fly sideways or even backward. With the addition of 3D thrust vectoring pilots would be nearly unconstrained by conventional flying tactics. Pilots would be able to flip the fighter around, fire and flip back the way they were headed with minimal loss of airspeed. Scellia is looking for a nation as large or larger then itself to help finalize and complete the research. Both nations would sign a treaty stating that neither side will give this new technology to another country nor share or sell any planes using this technology. Any planes already with stealth will only cause a 10% to 20% decrease in stealth as the fairings recess the Aerospike engines.

Project Goals:
Create the F/X-22, F/X-35 and F/X-16
Retain 80%-90% of stealthy characteristics
Give ability to fly sideways/vertical
Rotate aircraft without changing direction for limited period of time

OOC: Comments and questions, especially on feasibility would be welcome. This is not a first come first serve thing, if more then one person is interested, so I get to choose. This is meant to be done with modern tech, as of now to end of 2005, if you don’t think it can be done post so and point out what you think can’t be done. If this has been done, tell me, if not, then this is my idea and I claim it as so.

Encoded message from the Imperial capital of Sdaeriji



TO: F-X Program Leaders, Scellia
FROM: Imperial Defense Chairwoman Sedia Adiesa, Sdaeriji



Greetings from the Imperial Dominion of Sdaeriji. We recently recieved reports that your nation is nearing completion on your F-X aircraft program, and are looking for investor nations. Let me personally extend our hand in partnership. The Imperial Defense Department is willing to invest heavily in your F-X program. We will contribute money as best as we are able to help this project succeed. We only ask to share in this marvelous technology once it is completed by your scientists. Please, if you accept our offer, let us know as soon as possible. We eagerly look forward to your response. Thank you.

IDC Sedia Adiesa
Imperial Dominion of Sdaeriji

Unless there is another interested nation Scellia is sure that together we will be able to complete this technology.

OOC: I want some more opinions on whether or not this is possible with the tech level I mentioned, if there are no objections or another nation wnating to participate then we shall go ahead.

Do you beleive that the project could be rerouted to become a ground-attack aircraft? If so, we will invest.

OOC: I'm not sure about the possibility, but this is intruiging...

IC:

Both Zoogie Aerospace and Star Systems (the two leading aircraft manufacturing corporations) are vying for a share of this new technology, which they have both researched before, but only on a small scale. It is certainly possible that each corporation could complete their projects independently - in due time - but we feel that it would be mutually beneficial to pool our collective efforts together, to create an end result quicker, better, and more powerful. Both of these huge, experienced aerospace corporations have the resources, capability, and readiness to invest in this research, and welcomes the addition of other nations as well.

While we acknowledge that 'too many cooks may spoil the broth,' the more varying experience pooled together, the merrier.

One of my aircraft has full 3D thrust vectoring capability, but I don't think it is able to just fly sideways or vertically...I think what you're doing is different. Feel free to TG or eMail me if I'm not on...

OOC: I'm pretty sure this is possible. The stats for the Aerospike engine comes directly from the Boeing website.

We're glad that such a prestigous nation as Zoogie is interested, and the 3D thrust vectoring is just a simple part. The biggest and most innovative is the fairing thurst blisters, this is the one part that allows for the greatest amount of manuverability.

(OOC: Should I get involved? Nah... Sorry, but I'm too busy creating my F-37 Peregrine attack fighter and the F-45 Echo interceptor...)

Bump!

Bump for more criticisms.

OOC: So I guess us being interested isn't good enough for you? Especially considering we are larger than Zoogie...

Well, it is possable, except its manuverability, becouse of the powerplant's size (this is from my own calculations) would allow a maximum of say 9 Gs manuverability.

As for the overall idea, it is good, except a Hydrogen Fuel Cell wouldn't be exactly small ether (which adds to my calcualtions next to the engine).

However, NS is an Uberversion of the RL world, so I would like to invest in this, and help some, expecialy if a land attack version was created.

I am not sure if you would consider me as large or larger thoguh, although I am interested in helping a bit.

Attican Empire, it was not my intent to cast any sort of insult upon your fine nation. It was simply that in the past I have had favorable dealings, or heard/seen favorable things about the Zoogie People. I am not nearly as well experienced with your fine nation as that of the Zoogie people, and absolutely no insult was intended.

Truitt, the F/X fighter would change its direction of flight momentarily. A diagonal line that seems to be straight across, the nose of the aircraft nor its inertia would change it position. When it makes incredibly fast turns, it reorients it nose while continuing the same direct. It must first overcome it inertia before it starts off the other direct, the time this takes and speed retained depend on how far off center the nose is to make the turn. Also the hydrogen fuel cell is not the type used in cars, it is simply a place to store hydrogen in it liqued state.

OCC: For me, it looks fairly unfeasible simply because your expecting the fighter to have spectacular manoeuvrability but at the speeds that matter (ie. combat speeds/ dog fights, not cruseing speeds. IMO, that sort of thrust would put tremendous stress on your airframe to the point where its either technologically or just economically unfeasible. Maybe in the medium term future but definitely not 2005.

The State-owned Huahin Industries will also offer its help in this project.

My nation is eager to invest large sums of money (at least 2-4 trill.) to ensure that the planes get developed. We believe that with the advent of these planes, any nations weilding them would gain a significant advantage in future combats.

No longer may planes be restricted to flying forwards at full speed and taking a long time to turn, now they could turn with the agility of a bird (probably not a pigeon's agility!).

We are willing to sink money into the project, on the understanding that we would be able to keep a small amount of the aircraft as part of our armouries. We do not ask for production rights as a reward.

OOC: You may need to design something that would stop the pilot fainting under the G-forces when 'flipping' around.

OOC: Oh, the Empire isn't insulted, only the Aerospace industries inside it :)

Raginsheep, the airframe will be stressed, but much less then a high-g turn as the part will have pressure on them, but not weigh 9 times as much. Even then a reinforced airframe will take care of any difficulties, and the airframe will only need to be reinforced in those six spots. Scellia promises to choose nations to be invited to participate in at most 24 RL hours, not all nation applying will be chosen as Scellia doesn't want this technology spread.

If you want a light weight durable armour to thinly coat the underside of the planes (to protect against small arms and RPG fire when strafing the enemy) then I have something you could use. It is ASH armour and is ultra light and extremely durable. We use it on our top-of-the-range Tanks, but it is expensive.

We have finalised the amount of money to be sent to aid (if accepted) this project:

$5,000,000,000,000 ($5 trillion)

We also would like to point out that we offer our extensive range of munitions to be used (HERE (http://s6.invisionfree.com/International_Mall/index.php?showtopic=748)). We would gladly design unique weapons systems for the plane, as well as advanced electronics (EMP missile?).

We hope you accept our offer of help,

Yours Sincerely,
Majikthise Groomfly, Head of project development, Intelligent Products.

Raginsheep, the airframe will be stressed, but much less then a high-g turn as the part will have pressure on them, but not weigh 9 times as much. Even then a reinforced airframe will take care of any difficulties, and the airframe will only need to be reinforced in those six spots. Scellia promises to choose nations to be invited to participate in at most 24 RL hours, not all nation applying will be chosen as Scellia doesn't want this technology spread.

Mate, you would need to reinforce the entire airframe cause reinforceing just the six areas does nothing, the areas that would break are most likely going to be the areas between the boosters. Anyways, like i said, I seriously dobut this is possible especially in the time frame you're looking at (2005)