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OOC: First off this is NOT going to turn into a flame bait thread, at least not at my hands. Anybody who starts flaming gets reported to the mods.

First off, let me go on the record and state that I will no longer be participating in the war with Allanea for many reasons, and I will list some of them and try to be as civil as I possibly can. I feel that I owe an explanation to those that were on my side as to why I am no longer participating. But first, here is a summary of what happened:

First and foremost, I am ignoring Allanea for extreme and excessive godmodding. It started from his first post, flying in hundreds of bombers and fighters into my airspace and firing tons of missiles at my coast......while not giving me a chance to counter him as he approached. But for the sake of continuing the RP, I took the losses and moved on, launching a massive counterattack on him. My post went unreplied to, and he then flew 100 EMP missile satellites over my airspace suddenly and claimed to have launched hundreds of EMP warheads at me. That I did ignore, but I continued the RP.

Allanea's invading force was very poorly chosen, consisting of 15 subs, 12 carriers, like 13 helicopter frigates, and 1 battleship. He then claimed to have skirted my coastal and naval defenses and was hitting my mainland directly. I gritted my teeth and continued, but 2 posts of massive counterattacks went totally unanswered. I told Allanea that I would like a response to these attacks, but to this day he still not has taken losses from them. I then launched another attack which should (by all rights) have been the death of his attacking forces. NOT TO MENTION he has fleets from Pantera, Melkor Unchained, and plenty of others all hitting his very poorly laid out attackers.

Then he claims to have landed troops on one of my islands, despite the fact that my air and naval forces were still pounding him relentlessly, and despite the fact that I have large infantry garrisons in the area. By this time my fleets had reached his shores, and after taking minimal damage in a massive nuclear stike by Melkor Unchained, I landed my forces. No replies to that post exist save for a sentence or two.

He then lands troops on The Forbidden Isle, a demon infested island that has a whopping population of 0. This made me smile, because since March 2003 this island has claimed pilgrims from AMF and abroad, and nobody that has EVER ventured onto it's shores returned home. But not Allanea. His forces managed to shoot the demons that live there and blow them up with hand grenades. It took me almost an hour to type that post up, just to have his men gun down friggin demons. And it is a well known fact that I RP fantasy like this, but I almost never use demons in wars because it is cheating, but for Allanea I made an exception (and because I'm not going to sacrifice a year's worth of good RP on The Forbidden Isle for a stupid war).

And that was the final straw. Allanea has flat out REFUSED to take any acceptable losses from ANY of my counterattacks, and I'm sick of spending over an hour on a post just to have it either blown off and forgotten or magically countered, all the meanwhile taking practically no losses.

This is the #1 example of godmodding, refusing to take acceptable losses: ever. I'm tired of wasting my time with someone who has not intention of creating a good storyline, but is instead hellbent on 'defeating me'.

I see this as no loss, because the records show I gave Allanea the benefit of the doubt more times that I should have. He did not beat me, nor am I 'being a puss' and running away scared.

Allanea, this was the WORST series of RP's I've ever taken part in. I will say no more to you, because you're ignored, have a nice day.

To those on "my side" that are still involved: I'm not saying you have to ignore Allanea, but take note that I am no longer participating. Thank you for trying to make this enjoyable.

Hmm, Why did he even try to attack you? I wasn't following this RP until now, but Allanea's godmodding has piqued my interest.

OOC: This is probably what you should've done in the first place. I won't critique his techniques though, much as I'd like to.

It was fun while it lasted.

Allanea was sure that he had backing (or so he said. No one showed up.) from larger nations. Also, it has become sort of a challenge. Alot of people feel that if they take out AMF, they will gain recognition and power. Not sure how that works, there are plenty of nations that would get more recognition for their conquerors.

Allanea was sure that he had backing (or so he said. No one showed up.) from larger nations. Also, it has become sort of a challenge. Alot of people feel that if they take out AMF, they will gain recognition and power. Not sure how that works, there are plenty of nations that would get more recognition for their conquerors.


OOC: I know, and I've grown sick of it. I'm seriously considering only RPing wars via invitation from now on. I'm so sick of war RP right now that I'm tempted to not do another one for a long time, unless planned out beforehand with the players(s) that want to do it.

Okay, but why AMF? Why not Chellis or someone else larger than AMF?

Because AMF is both a great RPer and has a great reputation. Chellis will not even be considered due to the fact that his posts aren't that great in general and that AMF has a much bigger reputation.

Okay, but why AMF? Why not Chellis or someone else larger than AMF?


OOC: Alot of people mistake size for power, but that isn't so. I think the reason I'm targeted is because of how bold I've made AMF and how I've deveolped it through my RP's.

Also, Chellis is kind of an ass... you know?

I respect AMF immensely because of his RPing/writing skills, but I don't understand how someone believes that by defeating him, they will gain the respect of those that respect him, especially when they godmod and use such poor tactics. Allanea: I suggest you go read Sun Tzu's book, The Art of War.

lol, Wickitz Klownz, I would seriously doubt that Allanea is willing to put the time and effort to read The Art of War.

Ah... Now that was a great book... I remembered when I first read in Chinese...

A lot of people mistake size for power, but that isn't so.
Very true. That's the idea behind Navy SEALs. A few well-trained men can infiltrate and eventually defeat an entire ship full of men using tactics and stealth.

Fewkin' hell. I'm surprised you lasted as long as you did. God knows I wouldn't have.

To be honest Automagfreek, I'm surprised you tolerated for as long as you did, the signs were there from the start that he wouldn't accept losses... he's done it before though I don't think it was nearly as bad as the RP I've seen in this thread.

I would have to agree though; I've read the war between you and Russian Forces and well, even with the troubles from that thread, Allanea has managed to beat it in crappiness. I assume that your allies will be joining you in this ignore?

lol, Wickitz Klownz, I would seriously doubt that Allanea is willing to put the time and effort to read The Art of War.

Ah... Now that was a great book... I remembered when I first read in Chinese...
I very much need to learn Chinese. All I have is a condensed version. It's not a very good translation.

lol... That's what works with being born in China... :p

Ahem, getting off topic here, folks. :p

I believe I said to someone over MSN that "I thought Allanea used to be a great RPer... Now I know better." That's my final thought to this.

damn.....talk about chewing someone's ass out....

I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon here and pretend Allanea doesn't exist either. I've posted about four or five attacks, two of which have been responded to. I could probably write something really long-winded about this, but I'm not really interested in doing that at the moment.

My main beef with this whole issue is the fact that I take a lot of time to write and think out my posts, with the only response typically being a handful of lines of bad dialogue explaining how missiles are being launched. Rarely is ever do I see any meaningful exposition of Allanea's military activity.

That and the names of his ships and guns and stuff make me want to cry.

Ah. Allanea has joined the ranks of Godmodding people acting liek n00bs who attack larger nations. Auto you did the right thing. When that happened to me I did something completely different. Mii-onion declared war on me and claimed he took over my country in one day and demanded my nation's password. I godmmoded a guerilla war and beat all his forces in one post. Then I took his country over and as a joke demanded his password and he gave it to me so I usedthe nation as a puppet and the guy kept attacking me with puppets until a mod IP banned him.

This map is for those who IGNORE Allanea and feel the need to pass by Haven but don't want to pay the tolls to pass through the Straights ;)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v172/NSFlags/HavenRevised.png

I'm gonna jump on the bandwagon here and pretend Allanea doesn't exist either.

As far as I'm concerned, as soon as he posted his IGNORE list, he stopped existing in my eyes.

As far as I'm concerned, as soon as he posted his IGNORE list, he stopped existing in my eyes.


OOC: Yeah, I was going to ignore him off the bat due to that fact, but I wanted to give him a chance.

*grumble* I suppose I'll throw my hat on in the ring, though I do it reluctantly, as I hate to waste the past weeks worth of RPing. Damnit all to hell...

i enjoyed reading the RP (till Allanea got silly then i just stoped reading it), even tho Allanea did godmod from the word go i think AMF did the right thing in given Allanea a chance (even if Allanea blow it higher then hevan).

i dont really understand why people attack AMF all the time (ya he may have a twisted mind but so does Mekanta, Central and me at times) tho i must admit i enjoy reading AMFs RPs and posts, one day when i get some decent RP skills i might just try and do a decent RP with AMF till that day, i'll just be watching

*grumble* I suppose I'll throw my hat on in the ring, though I do it reluctantly, as I hate to waste the past weeks worth of RPing. Damnit all to hell...


I know you were enjoying yourself, I apologize.

Tiz a shame. I was enjoying the war, ecspecially the Forbidden Isle part. I really hate more than anything when you put hours worth into a good series of roleplays and your opponent just comes back with two or three lines of absolute filth...or even worse...absolutly nothing. Sadly...from what I've seen though, this is common in Nationstates.

SS, that isn't true. Doujin Ships claim a small island in the middle of that and make people pay tolls ;0

SS, that isn't true. Doujin Ships claim a small island in the middle of that and make people pay tolls ;0

*will pay his tolls from the barrel of a gun*

Axis Nova

In some ways, I'm glad the war is over and that Allanea didn't win. On one hand, ICly my government probably hates AMF, not to mention being bloody well scared of cheesing Damien off too much, but really folks.. NS would be rather more boring without Automagfreek's genocidal clone stormtroopers, demon hordes, and halls of unspeakable horror, wouldn't you say?

Because AMF is both a great RPer and has a great reputation. Chellis will not even be considered due to the fact that his posts aren't that great in general and that AMF has a much bigger reputation.

Wow, so much love

I dont make good posts because I have nothing good to post to. I can RP fine if I want to, but generally a few lines of RP suffices for what I do.

Read my recent stuff on NS. Its not great, but its not bad.

*will pay his tolls from the barrel of a gun*

Axis Nova

You don't have a Navy.. so wtf? Honestly.

I assumed you were joking, so I made one :(

And btw, an air navy is still a navy >_>

Axis Nova

AMF, I will note:

a)I've been almost totally off-line for the last 48 hours or so.

b)You have never responded to the dividing of my fleet.

c)I mentioned, IIIRC, that the forward assault fleet (which you were attacking) was totally destroyed.

d)You never posted any losses to my attackes on Mako Island/Freeksburg (and these were before your attacks on anything.

I assumed you were joking, so I made one :(

And btw, an air navy is still a navy >_>

Axis Nova

No, wouldn't call that a Navy :p I'd call that an Air Force :)

AMF, I will note:

b)You have never responded to the dividing of my fleet.

Bull. I gave you two+ posts worth of material. YOU picked and chose what you would respond to.

c)I mentioned, IIIRC, that the forward assault fleet (which you were attacking) was totally destroyed.

You never said ANYTHING about me destroying your forward assult fleets.

d)You never posted any losses to my attackes on Mako Island/Freeksburg (and these were before your attacks on anything.

That's because you godmodded your way into my waters WITHOUT giving me ANY time to respond! And seriously, you had ZERO support vessels, how did you expect to even come within a thousand miles of my territory?

I'm done wasting my time and effort with you. This war was by far the biggest disgrace to RP's since the last RF war (whatever that may have been). You've lost all credability in my eyes, and I'm sure most of the NS Roleplay community feels the same way.

Consider this my last post to you. Good day.

Look, man, I have posted losses for the forwards assault fleet, and it's destruction (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6700398&postcount=22).

I gave you all the response time on the planet.

So, this is my last post. See ya.

He then lands troops on The Forbidden Isle, a demon infested island that has a whopping population of 0. This made me smile, because since March 2003 this island has claimed pilgrims from AMF and abroad, and nobody that has EVER ventured onto it's shores returned home.
Mmm... island of demons...

Allanea a long time ago you also godmodded an attack against me and like AMF I had to write a thread dedicated to it because you and your buddies didn't acknowledge my ignore... Well done

It started from his first post, flying in hundreds of bombers and fighters into my airspace and firing tons of missiles at my coast......while not giving me a chance to counter him as he approached. But for the sake of continuing the RP, I took the losses and moved on, launching a massive counterattack on him. My post went unreplied to, and he then flew 100 EMP missile satellites over my airspace suddenly and claimed to have launched hundreds of EMP warheads at me. That I did ignore, but I continued the RP.

almost exactly what happened when he attacked the hlf, thousands of planes grouped together were fired at by hundreds of mssiles and took about 3 down. Then a massive Bio-chem strike killed about 100 people even though it was targete at his capital and several thousand indiviual warheads were used.

dum...dum...dum.... another one bites the dust. How many more will be ignored RF wonders.

almost exactly what happened when he attacked the hlf, thousands of planes grouped together were fired at by hundreds of mssiles and took about 3 down. Then a massive Bio-chem strike killed about 100 people even though it was targete at his capital and several thousand indiviual warheads were used.

They were not grouped together and you never mentioned aiming them at my capital.

OOC: I really can't believe that AMF lasted as long as he did and continued to the bitter end to churn out wonderfully descriptive and informatives posts , only to have no response or to have Allanea respond with some inane response that totally ignored all of the detail that AMF so carefully crafted.

I won't recount why I started ignoring Allanea and his Ali'Staan Accord (excepting Yallack, Fluffywuffy and of course the Ineffable Empire) but all the things pointed out above merely illustrate what made me so testy.

I also still can't believe that Ruhr/Ponte Vedra would acclaim Allanea such a gret RP'er, I wish he'd read the entire AMF thing.

Ruhr claims Allanea is a great RP'er?

Remind me to force-feed Brett some highly radioactive materials, IV.

ZZZap.

He didn't flat out say that, but he defended Allanea when I chose to ignore him, basically Allanea was doing the same stuff he did here , but for some reason Ruhr defended it and said that it was good rp..................... It's all in my thread on ignoring Allanea :P

Wow, so much love

I dont make good posts because I have nothing good to post to. I can RP fine if I want to, but generally a few lines of RP suffices for what I do.

Read my recent stuff on NS. Its not great, but its not bad.

[OOC: I can vouch for this because Chellis and I have had some IC contact of late. Chellis may not write The Great American Novel with a lot of his/her posts, but they get the job done.

Sometimes, I wonder about the effort that goes into a long, detailed description complete with dialog if people barely even acknowledge it or write their own thing anyway. The biggest problem I've found has been in the NS World Cup RPs when opponents don't even bother to read what I've posted for a RP and I've written a detailed match report before they've posted their RP.]

Mmm... island of demons...

It's called "fantasy RP', you should try reading some and not bashing it. Oh but wait, aren't you one of the people who got upset when people were bashing space tech?

Apologies in advance for the extremely long post; but I feel it necessary to 'draw you a picture,' if you will. Acceptable RP involves a certain amount of involvement and awareness on the part of both people if a forum-based game such as this one is to work properly. That said, I feel it would have been wise for both parties to sit down and discuss the situation rationally, and perhaps in so doing plot the desired course of the war.

I'll be blunt with you Allanea: there was no way on either side of hell you were going to win this war. You had little or no support, and AMF, Pantera and myself alone [not to mention the countless others] are more than enough to grind your nation into obliviion. Yes, that sounds rather arrogant I know, but under the circumstances it's not a stretch.

Let's take a look at the posting history, shall we?

First, you came at AMF with a hundred bombers described simply as having "the best stealth tech money could buy." This in and of itself it rather ridiculous, since we have no way of knowing what precisely this stealth tech consists of. AMF has long roleplayed an extensive military, and given his tech it's a bit presumptuous to assume that he can't see them at all. Then it gets even better... you launch against airfields without any knowledge at all about the locations thereof. This is one of those situations where OOC dialogue can do a world of good.

Furthermore, launching the bombers and having them fire on their targets in one post is exceedingly bad form. I dont know how close your region is to his, but I'd hazard to guess it's more distance than should be covered reasonably in one post. You'll notice I gave you a good three posts to reply to my approaching battlefleets, for instance.

Pantera, on page 5 [post #63; http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6566181&postcount=63] goes through the trouble to make an "OK, I'm getting my stuff ready for an attack" post as opposed to your method of attacking outright and ignoring the fact that these things can't just happen at the drop of a hat.

AMF in http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6566224&postcount=65 points out that you made no mention whatsoever of the direction of the attack, which is a glaring oversight on your part. When attacking someone you need to tell them who, what, where, when, and how. Surprisingly, AMF decided to take losses for this ridiculous strike, and posted them in the aforementioned post. You'll aslo note that he sets up an extensive defensive fortification in this post; an action that you seem to have largely ignored.

Shortly after this, Pantera mobilizes and AMF asks APTO to declare war on Allanea. Nothing really special there. Hattia, the Eastern Block, Sigma Octavus, Adejaani, and some others at this point make an honest, open effort to RP, by writing detailed IC posts, though at this point few of them directly concern military mobilizations.

Even though its a moot point now [since he ignored the attack], you somehow manage to get 100 missile satellites over AMF and fire them, again in one post. People tend to notice things like enemy missile sats over their nation in a time of war, so it's more than a bit ridiculous to assume AMF command would just sit their with their thumbs up their asses while these sats flew overhead. Next time you attack someone with satellites, you would do well to mention beforehand that they're changing course to bring them over the target nation. Like I said, these things tend to be noticed.

At this point you start harping on what damage is done by your missiles. While admittedly AMF did not post hard numbers, I'll note you did the same thing to me when I smacked you with 3000 ICKMs.

We'll ignore the fact that you somehow mobilized 15 carriers, 10 helicopter assault ships, and 11 submarines in one post. This shouldn't matter, since AMF's defenses are likely more than adequate to crush this threat. It's one of those godmods that some people will let slide, if only on virtue of the consequences of such a poorly-planned assault. At this point you're about 1000km off AMF's coast [again, you're taking massive liberties here, with a Panteran fleet out to sea in the area, and AMF's aforementioned defense net. Can we guess what I'm going to say here? That's right kids--ask the defender before posting stuff like this] and ordering submarines to rendevous somewhere and strike at military installations on an island with no military targets.

This is where you split your fleets off, if I'm reading right. You take four carriers [leaving me to note at this point the ridiculousness of most of your carriers being "Supercarriers"--generally the overpowered units are the ones that can be found in smaller numbers] and four heli ships out to secure a beach-head. Allanea, that's eight bloody ships. Eight. The very notion that eight ships is enough to secure a beach-head on AMF is laughable at best, and depressing at worst. The fact that you continued to bitch about this force for the remainder of the RP only made the situation worse: again, you're convienently forgetting the perimeter AMF set up in http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6566224&postcount=65. Also, I'm failing to see where you mentioned transports. How do you plan on landing troops without any transports? Were you planning on using your ships crews?

Then, you attack Pantera with 1,100 insta-mobilized aircraft. Again, the launch of a thousand aircraft is one of those things that's likely to be noticed. And I don't care how good your stealth tech is, a hundred freaking stealth bombers isn't going to get ignored by any radar technician with a working set of neurons. The stealth tech I'm guessing you have [based on your tech base] limits the radar readout of an individual plane to about the size of a sparrow. When a technician sees a hundred "sparrows" flying in a close military formation, he's likely to put two and two together.

Not only that, but your attack came in one wave, since you failed to specify otherwise. A thousand aircraft attacking one naval fleet all at the same time is not going to acheive results. You'll have friendly fire all over the place, and large explosives launched by the ships on the ocean will be more then enough to dispatch dozens of the tightly-clustered craft at once. Bad move.

At this point, you've got AMF's convoy approaching you from the front, and Pantera has maneuvered to cut off your only conceivable route of escape. Now, my friend, you are thoroughly and undeniably fucked. It doesnt matter that you split your fleets off at this point, and I frankly failed to understand why you made such a big deal out of it. I'll also note that in http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=6569052&postcount=107, AMF makes mention of a submarine net. Now honestly... you think he wouldn't guard that bigass river that leads right into his capital? Why did you keep blatantly ignoring his defenses?

Probably because you were less than willing to accept the consequences of your predicament. I only made it up to about the ninth page with this tirade, but I can't bring myself to read back over the other eleven pages. Suffice to say, it's more of the same. Now granted, AMF rarely stated exact numbers, but it shouldn't matter in any case.

Alright....judging from what I've seen in this thread, and skimming of the war thread...Atlantis formaly ignores Allanea.


"Xol, did you deliver that Morning Star V to the museum?"
"Uh...no...I thought I'd show the guys that sucker"
*shows morning star, accedentaly presses the Red button*
"Uh...I hope I didn't hit anyone"
"Xol...according to this...you fired it at Earth....at a nation called "Allanea""
"Allanea, eh? Oops. Well....guess they don't have any ozone anymore. Oh well....How's lunch sound?"
"Sounds good"

Congrats Allanea, you've managed to be ignored by three of the more respected RPers in NS, as well as a bunch of others. I feel largely vindicated here, I predicted the outcome and the reason for that outcome with 100% accuracy right from the start. Being on the recieving end of Allanea's shitty RP on a single occasion was all it took for me to divine his modus operendi. Great roleplayer my ass.

It's called "fantasy RP', you should try reading some and not bashing it. Oh but wait, aren't you one of the people who got upset when people were bashing space tech?
As I mentioned elsewhere, I wasn't deriding fantasy RP.

Congrats Allanea, you've managed to be ignored by three of the more respected RPers in NS, as well as a bunch of others. I feel largely vindicated here, I predicted the outcome and the reason for that outcome with 100% accuracy right from the start. Being on the recieving end of Allanea's shitty RP on a single occasion was all it took for me to divine his modus operendi. Great roleplayer my ass.

SS, cool it.

You guys are so cool...

Cram it bunny. This probably isn't the game for you.

*Politely applauds Melk* Couldn't have said it better myself.

Allanea... We're not against you... We want to see good RPing... Please read what Melk said and take the lessons to heart. It's good advice.

It would indeed be good advice, except it's factually wrong.

a)Never have I used the words "the best stealth tech money can buy".

b)Never have I claimed that the 8 ships in question were capable of establishing any beachead. In fact, already on page 6 I describe the process as a suicidal mission. Remember also that I, myself, describe the assault fleet as having been absolutely destroyed. If you call saying "my fleet is utterly destroyed" godmodding, then, welll.

c)Transports: I have mentioned, repeatedly, that the heli-ships don't carry their full loadout of helicopters, replacing it by a small (1,500 troops on 4 ships) amount of troops.

d)My military budget, according to this here:
http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Allanea
is exactly $17,900,425,013,719.25. On the other hand, the United States military budget is 369,000,000,000. This means I can theoretically fund about 50 times the amount of carriers the US has.To call my carrier amount excessive is.... uhm, excessive.

If you wanna play the money game... same calculator, defense budgets:

Melkor Unchained: $42,929,866,830,312.01
Automagfreek: $34,601,955,128,057.41
Pantera: $42,340,507,800,335.15
Total: approximately $120,000,000,000,000

So they have about eight times your military spending, and you are on the offensive, which is traditionally more difficult especially when invasions are part of it.

I use soft power more than any of the above (just ask Melkor) and even I have a military budget of (same calculator) $35,894,627,691,584.78 yet you don't see me going about picking fights...

Just a recommendation here.

It would indeed be good advice, except it's factually wrong.

a)Never have I used the words "the best stealth tech money can buy".

b)Never have I claimed that the 8 ships in question were capable of establishing any beachead. In fact, already on page 6 I describe the process as a suicidal mission. Remember also that I, myself, describe the assault fleet as having been absolutely destroyed. If you call saying "my fleet is utterly destroyed" godmodding, then, welll.

c)Transports: I have mentioned, repeatedly, that the heli-ships don't carry their full loadout of helicopters, replacing it by a small (1,500 troops on 4 ships) amount of troops.

d)My military budget, according to this here:
http://www.thirdgeek.com/nseconomy.php?nation=Allanea
is exactly $17,900,425,013,719.25. On the other hand, the United States military budget is 369,000,000,000. This means I can theoretically fund about 50 times the amount of carriers the US has.To call my carrier amount excessive is.... uhm, excessive.


a) [Samuel L. Jackson voice] "Yes you did, Brett! Yes you did! [/Samuel L. Jackson voice]

The 100 Howard Dean heavy stealth bombers were ready, guarded by about 200 AC-III fighters. They were safe, and they knew, it, hundreds of miles from enemy lines, protected by the best stealth tech money could buy.

b) You only said it was destroyed after a few pages of badgering and constant complaints from AMF

c) well, I couldn't tell. Your writing confuses me at times.

d) *points to what Scolo said*

And besides, I wasnt so much complaining about the fact that you had 15 carriers--there's nothing wrong with that at all. What I said ...leaving me to note at this point the ridiculousness of most of your carriers being "Supercarriers"--generally the overpowered units are the ones that can be found in smaller numbers...[/quote]

My point is one generally doesnt have more 'Supercarriers' than 'normal' carriers. It's called [i]balance.

a)Even so, he could well have written, say "The puny Allanean pretense for stealth is easily defeated by our radars etc. etc."

b)He claims I never did it at all.

c)There you go, then.

d)Yes, my fleet is imbalanced. So? I even admit it on page 6 of the thread.

My point is one generally doesnt have more 'Supercarriers' than 'normal' carriers. It's called balance.

Balance is indeed key, but the balance that needs to be struck is that between escort classes and capships. The Nimitz class is technically a supercarrier, but nobody on NS is impressed with them anymore. Supercarrier isn't itself a designation of class, but more of an informal indication of superior size and capability over older, more conventional WWII carrier designs. Really, you don't put CVEs and CVLs on the battle line, that's a job for CVNs and unless a navy is entirely defense oriented you won't in fact have more of the smaller carriers than full-on carriers.

Allanea screwed up here by not following the old rule of having at least four escorts to every capship, realistically his so-called fleet should have been sunk with a single, hard alpha strike.

So, Allanea, it's completely unrealistic.

1: The side with the simplest uniforms wins. What's that mean? No matter how much money you spend, nothing is a 'perfect weapon'. Even a vaunted F-117 was downed over Kosovo. Even the smartest 'smart bomb' has missed every so often. Money isn't always the answer.

2: An aircraft carrier is the most complex, high maintenance ship in any Fleet, even if you could build one. Why? It needs to work perfectly, as does the aircraft otherwise it's a big target. A Nimitz requires a lot of crew and a lot of parts to ensures its aircraft are working perfectly otherwise two crew and a few millions are going into the drink.

3: Stealth is never perfect. 'For every reaction, there is an equal but opposite reaction'. While you might be able to protect yourself now, via stealth, it's not a perfect system. Even the toughest military people (even Tom Clancy) says stuff like (not a direct quote, just a sum-up) "stealth reduces radar effectiveness. You still get flickers and glimmers and you know 'something' is out there. Get close enough and a powerful enough radar will still detect you and lock on." Repeat: stealth does not ever make you undetectable, it gives you an advantage and it's those seconds/minutes that counts.

4: APTO (it's shorthand for The Allied Powers, the region is surrounded by water. Apart from being realistically unable to carry spare parts that far... How are you managing to replace your aircraft or, for that matter, operate them well, under fire? If I recall, in your first post, you mention 'gunships'. Could they be small enough to operate on carriers and if so, how much of the air group was sacrificed to keep them aboard?