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For the first time, Chardonay has decided to release some of her surface warships on the common market... All of these warships are produced by DCA

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Chardonay, in memory of Admiral Lafitte who recently perished in the battle between Doujin's BBCNs and IDF SDs, is announcing the development of the Admiral Lafitte class Dreadnaught.
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Compared to other dreadnaughts, the Admiral Lafitte seems underweight, but she is a pure line of battleship, with none of the bastardized carrier systems of ships like the Doujin.

Length, 320.0 m
Beam, 60.0 m
Depth, 12.0 m
132407 tonnes normal displacement (120933 tonnes standard)

Weapon Systems:
Main battery: 9 x 46.0-cm grouped in three turrets... two in the bow, and one in the stern.
Secondary battery: 20 x 15.5-cm grouped in turrets of two guns each, with 5 arranged along each broadside
AA battery: 20 x 3.0-cm point defence cannon
Light battery: 10 x 7.5-cm quick firing supercavitating cannon.
20 trebuchet missile tubes.
100 VLS tubes with 2 reloads each.
5 octuple arbalist missile launchers.
5 double launchers for crossbow SAMS (9 reloads)

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, both 155mm cannon and 30mm cannon can fire chaff and flare rounds. Have Not type ECM. 2 Wrong Whale type decoy dirigibles.

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 4 Priest BCDS, 2 Director BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Eye Air search Radar systems, Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Sloth Eye passive radar, Tiger Eye surface search radar, Tiger Fang integrated surface targeting radar, Cat Eye integrated optical sensor system, Porpoise integrated hull mounted/towed sonar array

Aircraft: 2 helicopters and 10 Deerfly Drones/100 Gnat drones

Structure: 120cm of Improved Chardonayan Armour (main belt). The hullform is of a fastship design, considerably squatter than conventional ship design would have it. The bow is deep and V shaped, and hull under the stern has been hollowed out, reducing captive waves.

Armor:
Main belt, 122.0 cm; bow and stern, 100.0 cm
Upper belt, 100.0 cm
Torpedo bulkhead, 30.0 cm
Armor deck, average 40.0 cm
Conning tower, 40.0 cm

Battery armor:
Main, 122.0 cm / secondary, 70.0 cm
AA, 20 cm cupolas/ light guns, 20 cm cupolas

(Chardonayan Improved Armor is half the mass of steel, hence the very thick armor, and is approximately 3 tmes as effective at stopping both kinetic energy projectiles and HE projectiles)

Power
4 Pebble bed reactors delivering 150 MW each

Propulsion: 8 waterjets, propelling the ship along at a maximum speed of 45 knots, and cruising speed of 40knots in Sea State 7. Cruising range is 15000nm.

Compliment: 1500


Krasny Rasvet (Red Dawn) class BCGN
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Displacement: 31608 tons standard, 30 000 fully loaded
Dimensions: 190m x 30m x 10m
Powerplant: 3 pebblebed reactors developing 75MW of power each
Propulsion: 8 waterjets
Maximum Speed: 46 knots
Range: 15 000 miles at 46 knots (limited by consumables)
Compliment: 750

Weapons
20 tubes for Trebuchet SSMs
1 chardonayan VLS system for Scorpion SAMs and Ballista SSMs, and Speargun ASROCs (10 10 cell launcher systems)
6 quad launchers for Arbalest SAMs (3 reloads)
2 double launchers for crossbow SAMS (9 reloads)
6 155mm Flak Cannon
4 30mm Point Defense Cannon
2 75mm Quickfiring Cannon with supercavitating shells
4 hull mounted 533mm torpedo tubes behind shutters, two bow, two stern

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, both 155mm cannon and 30mm cannon can fire chaff and flare rounds. Have Not type ECM. 1 Wrong Whale dirigible decoy.

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 4 Priest BCDS, 2 Director BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Eye Air search Radar systems, Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Sloth Eye passive radar, Tiger Eye surface search radar, Tiger Fang surface targeting radar, Cat Eye integrated optical sensor system, Porpoise integrated hull mounted/towed sonar array

Aircraft: 2 helicopters and 10 Deerfly Drones/100 Gnat drones

Structure: 30 cm of Improved Chardonayan Armour (main belt). The hullform is of a fastship design, considerably squatter than conventional ship design would have it. The bow is deep and V shaped, and hull under the stern has been hollowed out, reducing captive waves have been placed for and aft in armored cupolas. The 155mm cannon are placed in a double turret in the bow, and a double in the stern with a single on either side slightly aft of amidships. On either side of the single turrets are the tubes for the Trebuchet Missiles, angled 45 degrees up. The sextuple Arbalest launchers are mounted on the second level of the superstructure, with one facing fore and aft, and two more amidships. The VLS tubes for the Scorpion SAMs and Ballista SSMs are spread out, with 4 in the bow and 6 in the stern.

Operation: Over-the-horizon sighting for the Trebuchet missiles can be provided by helicopter or drone or satellite. Cat Eye optical sensors can detect the launch of missiles over the horizon, and if necessary can handle tracking and acquisition of air and surface targets, but usually hand over the tracking to Mouse and Tiger radar systems. The combination of optical (from IR to UV wavelengths) and standard millimeter band radar make for an extremely accurate system, even against sheathed aircraft. The Krasny Rasvet’s powerful combat computers and communications hardware mean that, though it is perfectly capable of fending for itself, it never goes anywhere without a supporting battle group. However effective it may be alone, it’s strength is multiplied many times over with the addition of additional radar and SAM platforms, and it is a waste not to use her as a command ship. As well, though a capable ASW platform, she should have protection from submarines; the 75mm cannons are only a weapon of last resort against incoming torpedoes, and the 4 torpedo tubes only fire anti-submarine torpedoes. A favorite tactic of commanders is to keep one standard and one supercavitating torpedo in the bow and stern tubes. When attacked by torpedo, the Krasny Rasvet would flush both torpedoes at her attacker causing it to break off the attack immediately to avoid the supercavitating torpedo, and stay away to avoid the second one. In the mean time, the Krasny Rasvet would be steaming away at 46 knots, launching 5 Deerfly Drones to find and kill the miscreant.

$2 billion


Admiral Suvorov class CAGN
In memory of then-Captain Suvorov who engaged and captured a convoy going to resupply a Tequilan army laying siege to Ivangrad. The convoy was guarded by two frigates and a sloop, but Suvarov attacked with the 5th rate frigate Norka. Captain Suvorov was hit by roundshot near the end of the battle, and continued shouting orders even as the surgeon's mate amputated both his legs. He did not survive his injuries. Because of his efforts, the siege was broken. Suvarov was promoted to Admiral posthumously, and Norka has been added to the Chardonayan Honor List.
Displacement: 19 000 tons standard
Dimensions: 195m x 25m x 8.5m
Powerplant: 3 pebblebed reactors developing 50 mw each
Propulsion: 6 waterjets
Maximum Speed: 47 knots
Range: 15 000 miles
Compliment: 400

Weapons
1 chardonayan VLS system for Scorpion SAMs and Ballista SSMs, and Speargun ASROCs (10x10 cell launchers)
2 sextuple launchers for Arbalest SAMs (4 reloads)
2 double launchers for crossbow SAMS (9 reloads)
2 155mm Flak Cannon
4 88mm Flak Cannon
4 30mm Point Defense Cannon
2 75mm Quickfiring Cannon with supercavitating shells
4 hull mounted 533mm torpedo tubes behind shutters, two bow, two stern.

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, both 155mm cannon and 30mm cannon can fire chaff and flare rounds. Have Not type ECM. 1 Wrong Whale dirigible decoy.

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 2 Director BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Eye Air search Radar systems, Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Sloth Eye passive radar, Tiger Eye surface search radar, Tiger Fang surface targeting radar, Cat Eye integrated optical sensor system, Porpoise integrated hull mounted/towed sonar array

Aircraft: 10 Deerfly Drones/100 Gnat drones

Structure: 30cm of Chardonayan Armour (main belt). The hullform is of a fastship design, considerably squatter than conventional ship design would have it. The bow is deep and V shaped, and hull under the stern has been hollowed out, reducing captive waves have been placed for and aft in armored cupolas. Aditionally, every possible effort has been made to reduce the Admiral Suvorov’s radar signature, and though it doesn’t count quite as stealthy, it appears closer to the size of a frigate on radar. The 155mm cannon are placed in a double turret in the bow, and the 88mms two a side. The sextuple Arbalest launchers are mounted on the second level of the superstructure, with one facing fore and aft each. The VLS tubes for the Scorpion SAMs and Ballista SSMs are spread out, with 5 running along each side, and 5 in the stern.

Operation: The Admiral Suvorov heavy cruiser is designed for extended raiding cruises. That is the sole reason for the nuclear reactors, which are a rather gaudy and inefficient method of powering a ship this size. It’s expenciv and wasteful, but allows the Suvorov to operate independently for some time. Its low observable hull allows it to get close enough to targets to launch massive volleys of SSMs, and has enough air defence to fend off a small airforce. Gnat drones, with their phenomenal range are used to scout out enemy formations, whereupon the Admiral Suvorov proceeds to shadow and destroy them. Submarines it can run from easily as it’s drones blow it out of the water. Unfortunately, the Suvurov adds almost nothing to a battlegroup. It’s a scaled down version of a Krasny Rasvet, and one of the sacrifices was the massive CIC and C3I systems that made the Krasny Rasvet a success in fleet actions. The Suvurov is one of the few Chardonayan ships without any kind of inter-ship datalink; which isn’t a problem… Suvurov captains prefer to operate alone anyway.

$1 billion

Please give advice on the designs... I'm good on individual bits of technology, not so great at meta-design.

Well, 155mm flak seemes a bit uneccessary. Flak is not all that effective, especially considering that many of the attacks against your ship will be from either Beyond visual range our below the ballistic trajectory of those guns. You risk harming your ships with that, when sea-skimmers come in.

The IIRRAAQQII leadership has told Praetor Antonio Maxus to stop purchasing stuff for the military as he was caught checking out the ships available here. The Navy has to keep purchases on the low for a little awile.

Well, the 155mms are actually dual purpose guns, capaple of engaging ariel targets as well as ground ones. With extended range munitions, the cannon can hit targets 80km away, and can hit aircraft/missiles operating at 15 000m. THe massed fire power is specifically designed to disrupt huge incoming scramjet powered shells, and can put up a veritable wall of schrapnel to knock down sea skimmers by lobbing shells, even though they can't actually depress much past -2 degrees.

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using AA ammo from a decetn AGS style 155m is a rweasonably good idea, i do the same with my 160mm weapons, heck i even use 12" AA rounds (basically an 8" saboted round which carrys about 10-20 30mmAHEAD style submuntions each of which releases 144 very nasty subprojectiles).

we use the battleship main guns as area supression weapons against the masses of aircraft NS nations love... though we don't bother with a SABOT... we use rocket assisted or ramjet assisted shells and then scatter 30mm submunitions all over the place with either pressure or contact fuses. But you need to buy those seperately =)

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Admiral Zuralev class ClG

Displacement: 10437 tons standard
Dimensions: 160m x 18m x 9m
Powerplant: 5 turbines developing 80 MWs
Propulsion: 5 waterjets
Maximum Speed: 46 knots
Range: 6000 nautical miles at 30 knots
Compliment: 300

Weapons
half a chardonayan VLS system for Scorpion SAMs, Ballista SSMs, and Speargun ASROCs
2 quad launchers for Arbalest SAMs (3 reloads)
2 double launchers for crossbow SAMS (9 reloads)
2 88mm Flak Cannon
4 30mm Point Defense Cannon
1 40mm Cannon with supercavitating shells

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, both 88mm cannon and 30mm cannon can fire chaff and flare rounds. Have Not type ECM. Wrong Whale dirigible Decoy

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 2 Priest BCDS, 2 Director BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Eye Air search Radar systems, Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Sloth Eye passive radar, Tiger Eye surface search radar, Tiger Fang surface targeting radar, Cat Eye integrated optical sensor system
Aircraft: 1 helicopter and 5 Deerfly Drones/50 Gnat drones

Structure: 20cm of Chardonayan Armour (main belt). The hullform is of a fastship design, considerably squatter than conventional ship design would have it. The bow is deep and V shaped, and hull under the stern has been hollowed out, reducing captive waves have been placed for and aft in armored cupolas. The 88mm cannon are placed in a double turret in the bow. The quad Arbalest launchers are mounted on the second level of the superstructure, with bothfacing the stern quarters. The VLS tubes for the Scorpion SAMs and Ballista SSMs are all clustered about the stern.

Operation: Cat Eye optical sensors can detect the launch of missiles over the horizon, and if necessary can handle tracking and acquisition of air and surface targets, but usually hand over the tracking to Mouse and Tiger radar systems. The combination of optical (from IR to UV wavelengths) and standard millimeter band radar make for an extremely accurate system, even against stealthed aircraft. The Admiral Zuralev is designed to be a flagship for a destroyer or frigate flotilla. The admiral Zuralev has impressive point defence capabilities, and a decent anti-ship armament, along with a wicked SAM system, but it’s true value is the powerful combat computers and communications hardware that are on par with those in the Krasny Rasvet. All of the radar systems are equivalent to that on Suruvov and Krasny Rasvet, meaning that even one Zuralev can sight missiles for the entire group. Some commanders even prefer the Zuralev to the Krasny Rasvet; it’s smaller size makes it less of a target. This makes any flotilla including a Zuralev a potent combat force.
$1 billion


Mantis class FFG
Displacement: 6 500 tons fully loaded
Dimensions: 140m x 18m x 6m
Powerplant: 4 turbines delivering 60 MWs total
Propulsion: 5 waterjets
Maximum Speed: 42 knots
Range: 2 500 miles at 30 knots
Compliment: 50

Weapons
CHardonayan VLS system for Scorpion SAMs, Ballista SSMs, and Speargun ASROCs
6 torpedo tubes with shutters.

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, Have None type ECM, stealthed hullform.

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 2 Flock BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Eye Air search Radar systems, Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Chameleon Eye passive radar, Tiger Eye surface search radar, Tiger Fang surface targeting radar, Cat Eye integrated optical sensor system, Orca integrated hull mounted/towed sonar array

Structure: The Mantis FFG carries very little armour, only 10cm… but it doesn’t need it. The Mantis is one of the few truly stealthy ships in Chardonay’s inventory, though many include low observable technologies. The Mantis transcends this… one of the earlier problems was that, in any kind of weather, the waves gave a better radar return than the ship itself! This has been fixed by having several small ridges that can be extended from the hull, increasing the return. Unfortunately there are two side effects of this hull design. Firstly, the fastship technology was only partly adaptable to stealth, so the ship has a lower maximum speed than most Chardonayan vessels. Secondly, it doesn’t behave very well in rough water (Imagine, if you will, the action of a lead pencil in a bathtub when the water is agitated... the difference is that while the lead pencil rolls completely over, the Mantis only very nearly does). Another technology that was added to the Mantis was massive amounts of automation, which makes the crew requirement ridiculously small. This is why it is rated as a frigate, when it’s closer to the displacement of a destroyer… no destroyer captain wants to command 50 men!

Operation: Cat Eye optical sensors can detect the launch of missiles over the horizon, and if necessary can handle tracking and acquisition of air and surface targets, but usually hand over the tracking to Mouse and Tiger radar systems. The combination of optical (from IR to UV wavelengths) and standard millimeter band radar makes for an extremely accurate system, even against stealthed aircraft. Still, the Mantis prefers never to light up her own radar unless absolutely necessary, preferring other ships or AEW vehicles to detect and illuminate enemy aircraft and ships. The Mantis is, therefore, designed to operate in a battle group, as a long range AA/ASW picket. Their ability to operate undetected 100 kilometers from the battle group and interdict enemy aircraft and submarines before they even have a fix on the fleet is invaluable. Unfortunately, the lack of helecopters means it relys heavily on close support with zeppelins when sub hunting..


Malvoisin class Missile Monitor

Displacement: 29000 tons standard
Dimensions: 200m x 30m x 8m
Powerplant: 4 turbines delivering 150 MWs total
Propulsion: 5 waterjets
Maximum Speed: 42 knots
Range: 6000 miles at 30 knots
Compliment: 20

Weapons:
Package A- 6 Chardonayan VLS systems for Scorpion SAMs, Ballista SSMs, and Speargun ASROCs (total of 600 cells)
Package B- 200 Trebuchet launch tubes
Package C- 100 trebuchet launch tubes and 3 Chardonayan VLS systems

Countermeasures: Towed torpedo decoy, Have None type ECM, stealthed hullform.

Communications: 2 Cardinal SATCOM/SATNAV systems, 2 Flock BCDS

Sensors: Mouse Fang Air Targeting Radars, Tiger Fang surface targeting radar.

Structure: The Malvoisin carries very little armour, only 10cm… but it doesn’t need it. The Malvoisin is one of the few truly stealthy ships in Chardonay’s inventory, though many include low observable technologies. The Mantis transcends this… one of the earlier problems was that, in any kind of weather, the waves gave a better radar return than the ship itself! This has been fixed by having several small ridges that can be extended from the hull, increasing the return. Unfortunately there are two side effects of this hull design. Firstly, the fastship technology was only partly adaptable to stealth, so the ship has a lower maximum speed than most Chardonayan vessels. Secondly, it doesn’t behave very well in rough water (Imagine, if you will, the action of a lead pencil in a bathtub when the water is agitated... the difference is that while the lead pencil rolls completely over, the Malvoisin only very nearly does). Another technology that was added to the Malvoisin was massive amounts of automation, which makes the crew requirement ridiculously small. This is why it is rated as a monitor when it's really the size of a very large cruiser or small battleship!

Operation: The targetting radar should, if things go properly, never be used. This ship is not designed to actually target the enemy... it is a mobile missile platform that relys on other ships for targetting data. The targetting radar are included... just in case, but if they are used, something has gone terribly wrong. At least one Malvoisin is attactched to each battlegroup, as it is a massive force multiplyer.

The Malvoisin has a double hull... but an odd one, with many segmented torpedo bulges and ballast tanks. When going into combat, the tanks are sometimes flooded to improve seakeeping qualities and to reduce freeboard. The ship is actually capable of submerging entirely and using a snorkle, while firing, but it isn't capable of exceeding 10 knots while submerged, and has a maximum depth of about 50m... it's not really a submarine.

$500 million

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