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Okay, this is the OOC thread for the potential OMP/IDF conflict. The RP, if it takes place, will be a closed war with several rules that will be agreed upon here. The situation that has happened thus far (this is meant to be objective) is as follows:

IDF started an alliance with the purpose of fighting Doujin class ships (ships primarily used by members of the Organization of Marine Powers).
IDF also offered an award for the first Doujin sunk, regardless of its nationality.
The alliance is cancelled and the award revoked after political pressure from Doujin and other members of the Organization of Marine Powers.
Doujin invites IDF's leadership, along with delegates from OMP nations to a naval conference onboard the original Doujin battleship.
IDF's naval ships hold a parade off to the side of the Doujin and its escorts for the enjoyment of the delegations.
Doujin and myself then launch pre-emptive strikes against IDF's ships (and to a lesser extent IDF's mainland) as a result of the alliance, the reward, and allegations of supporting piracy.
IDF's leadership on board the Doujin is arrested under charges of piracy.
IDF launched a nuclear attack against the collection of OMP ships in retaliation (although this might be withdrawn for purposes of RP).

Okay, so in this thread we're going to discuss the possibility of continuing the RP with set parameters. If we do so it will be a closed RP, with a few allies on each side. Doujin, myself, and maybe one other OMP member vs. IDF and a few allies he selects and we agree to (just like he can agree to our other ally if we decide on having one). I know that IDF has already specified no super-dreadnoughts in the RP, so that will probably be a rule. Anyways, let the discussing (or explaining of terms) begin!

I have a few questions. I have several shipbuilding orders with IDF, and I just want to know with this war, will my ships be delivered to me? Also, I was planning to do business with Unum Veritas in the near future. I just want to know whether your industries will be turned over to wartime production, or will you still be exporting military arms?

If the war goes ahead, orders from IDF yards will liekly be severly delayed at the very least.

Can I have my T7's now?

Sdaeriji, Veritasean Naval Industries will continue to export so long as it is possible. If the war takes a turn for the worse and begins removing large numbers of ships from the Veritasean Fleet then a few factories will be converted to wartime production, but we will still export in a diminished capacity. Exports would only cease completely as a last resort or if industrial facilities are severely damaged. I can't speak for IDF, though.

NWV, your T7's?

Hm... Of course, the Five Civilized Nations would like to participate. It'll be good to finally test out our new warships, such as the Hai Lang Class SSH... (I know the name means Seawolf in Chinese, but its a completely different class of ship powered by a hydrogen converter...)

OOC: I'm pretty interested, considering that I want to try out some of my newer Ekranoplan designs.

If so, I'll just run circles around your Doujins :P

As a fact, the Five Civilized Nations does not, will not, and will never operate any Doujin Class UberDreadnaughts...

We are not obligated to give IDF a level playing field, if he can't stand the thought of getting his ass kicked he should have watched what he said in the first place. It's called being outclassed, he pissed us off and now he has to deal with it.

Scandavian States, I'm also in the OMP...

We are not obligated to give IDF a level playing field, if he can't stand the thought of getting his ass kicked he should have watched what he said in the first place. It's called being outclassed, he pissed us off and now he has to deal with it.

We aren't obligated to give a fair playing field, but in the interests of a good RP we should at least even it somewhat. I don't know if Doujin wants another nation on our side or not though, but I do think that IDF should have at least one or two allies help him out.

And Tyrandis, as the original post states, there will be no dreadnoughts in this RP.

Scandavian States, I'm also in the OMP...

As am I.

As an ally of IDF, Grenval will support him until the end. The fact that the treaty was cancelled means that this RP would be entirely pointless.

As am I. Point? They wanted a limited number. So how about we choose the third party, probably the one with the most powerful navy.

We aren't obligated to give a fair playing field, but in the interests of a good RP we should at least even it somewhat. I don't know if Doujin wants another nation on our side or not though, but I do think that IDF should have at least one or two allies help him out.

And Tyrandis, as the original post states, there will be no dreadnoughts in this RP.

Dreadnoughts by what definition? Technically, an Iowa could be considered a Dreadnought ;)

As am I. Point? They wanted a limited number. So how about we choose the third party, probably the one with the most powerful navy.

You've seen my navy and it ain't that bad.
But just to get things straight it is 3 OMP nations vs. IDF and 2 other nations.

If that is so, there is one space left for an OMP member, who is it going to be?

Well, even if I didn't have IDF on my ignore list after that crap and was willing to RP with him, I wouldn't. A lot of my naval doctrine centers around my Fenrir and Leviathan class ships, I wouldn't cripple a fleet just to please him.

I like your Leviathan class ships.

TO DOUJIN

You've got one ally, do you want another?
Me and SS should be willing.

Actually I'm not willing. I have IDF on ignore to save my sanity and even if I didn't I'm not about to cripple one or more of my fleets just to please some insignificant pipsqeek. There's a lesson to be learned in getting your ass kicked by nations with poplulation advantages that measure in the billions, that lesson being that you simply don't piss off such nations.

Doujin, I believe they just want to limit super dreadnoughts. I think Iowa class and down would be acceptable. After all, RPing without super-dreadnoughts was your idea in the first place.

I don't know who Doujin wants on our side, if he wants anyone else.

I'm still waiting for IDF to post as to who he'd like his allies to be.

And Grenval, how is this RP pointless? Even if he did cancel the treaty, it can still be viewed as an act of war (we've been over this countless times and that isn't the point of this thread, so do not argue the point). The entire point of this RP (as with most) is just to have fun and develop a good story. Its already had a creative beginning, so it'd be pointless to just let it die away.

Erm, Doujin hasn't posted posted on this thread, at least that I can remember. As for myself, the Fenrir class is 130,000 tons while the Leviathan class is 650,000 tons, which means that they aren't much different than a Doujin as far as an Iowa is concerned. And really, what's the point of limiting Dreadnaughts and Superdreadnaughts in the first place? I have a BCGN that could probably turn a great majority of the so-called Superdreadnaughts to scrap. So even if I were to RP here, and even if I were to remove the ships that IDF wanted removed, I still have twelve ships to every fleet that could each sink at least a quarter of his fleet in a matter of minutes.

Dreadnoughts by what definition? Technically, an Iowa could be considered a Dreadnought ;)

Doujin posted...

And I don't believe he means banning things based on displacement, but rather relative battle effectiveness/lethality. Besides, if you aren't planning on RPing here because you've ignored IDF then its irrelevant.

That's true, but I'm just ranting against the stupidity of it. I mean, my god, IDF's navy is so second rate compared to most of ours that any one of us could take his navy out with destroyers and cruisers alone. I don't think he realizes that no matter what he tries to limit he's going to get his ass beat, so it's probably in his best interest to make it as quick and painless as possible.

Of course, this is all assuming that IDF is going to go through with this RP in the first place.

Will it be a closed or open RP? I *might* have a submarine operating in the Med.
And can someone link me to the original thread?

If we do so it will be a closed RP,

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Will it be a closed or open RP? I *might* have a submarine operating in the Med.
And can someone link me to the original thread?

Here you go: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=343745

The IDF president is seized on pg. 8, then it turns into 10 more pages of flaming.

I can't believe I missed that thread....

That's true, but I'm just ranting against the stupidity of it. I mean, my god, IDF's navy is so second rate compared to most of ours that any one of us could take his navy out with destroyers and cruisers alone. I don't think he realizes that no matter what he tries to limit he's going to get his ass beat, so it's probably in his best interest to make it as quick and painless as possible.

Of course, this is all assuming that IDF is going to go through with this RP in the first place.


We know that we will probably win, as does he, but he is still going to put forth his best effort and he feels (not without reason) that his best chance at taking out super dreadnoughts is by nuking them. We'd all like to keep the use of nuclear weapons to a minimum, so the easiest thing to do is just to exclude super-dreadnoughts from the RP. No super-dreadnoughts, no nukes. And even if we know the outcome, it can still be fun to RP, if its done well. IDF could be really clever and cause quite a bit more harm than you think him capable of; after all, at some point we'll have to invade his country if we're out of ships to sink.


Izistan, it will be a closed RP to prevent anymore outside parties coming in and stirring up another flame war. We have enough of those due to inside parties ;)

I'll watch it though...
It had promise, pity it came to flaming...

I'll watch it though...
It had promise, pity it came to flaming...


I agree, that's why we're trying to resurrect it.

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Just got back from work and read through this, the Superdreadnoughts like a Doujin class will be banned, I know I will probably lose. THe nuclear launch will be revoked as the dreadnoughts that led to that decision won't exist in the 1st place. I'm going to have Whittier as an ally if you accept his old nation since he was wrongfully deleted by a mod on a vendetta.

The other ally is not yet found, I'm searching through candidates. If you don't accept Whittier's old stats I will ignore this as my nation's identity in International Affairs is dictated by the Whittier Pact.

Whittier!?! Him!?! *mutters something about someone who can't RP for his life, while shaking head in disgust...* Urgh...

OOC: NWV's question was reffering to my T-7 Gilgamesh tanks which i am currently refusing to sell to him because of this issue, on second thoughts i might aswell sell them...


I agree that we should keep this limited and while i would like to be involved (as if you couldn't tell) i am willign to step aside for others (esspecailly considering i go away for a week on the 11th...).

A point... I had a delegation on the Doujin when the shooting started. Now, in this RP, would they still be there?

A point... I had a delegation on the Doujin when the shooting started. Now, in this RP, would they still be there?

That will depend. If we choose to leave the dreadnoughts where they were (but not use them for the rest of the RP) and the nuking takes place then they are lost. I believe IDF plans on just saying they were on a conventional battleship and thus he did not respond with WMD's and so they would still be alive (unless that ships gets sunk anyways, but I doubt that will happen).

So now all we're waiting on is IDF to pick his other ally and have them both check in here and for Doujin to say if he wants another ally and then we can begin discussing the rules (although they seem pretty much discussed already).

Ah... in that case, doujin can expect a request for compensation for the families, the equipment lost, and a condemnation for having MY people present during the attack... sloppy.

Ah... in that case, doujin can expect a request for compensation for the families, the equipment lost, and a condemnation for having MY people present during the attack... sloppy.

And you can probably expect a reply back commenting on the fact that it was you who sent your delegation (I don't remember you specifically being invited) and thus Doujin is not liable for your decision. Furthermore (and I don't know if he'll state it, but its true) you and anyone else who sent delegations should have thought twice. Come on, a nation starts an alliance designed to sink ships belonging to another alliance and the nation offers a reward for sinking such ships. Suddenly that nation is invited to a conference on board one of the ships (along with its huge number of escorts vessels). The conference is held just south of that nation and that nation was told to bring its leaders. That nation then is told to have its naval parade in between two very very large collections of ships that belong to the alliance it was previously targetting. I mean it really shouldn't be all that difficult to guess what's going to happen.

And I'd hardly call this a "sloppy" attack. It was well thought out and highly creative. A bit sneaky perhaps, but still approaching the threshold of "brilliant".

Although you will probably be paid your compensation just because we'll be more focused on the war RP (I hope...).

I won't take up any more room in this thread... but I do want to make the following points before I leave...

1. When we sent the delegation, we had no idea that doujin would pull the attack, therefore it isn't our fault that our people were in harms way, it was doujin's.

2. At the same time, that invitation could have meant exactly the opposite. 'We want you to bring many excorts as insurance that we don't pull anything. We want you to bring a large delegation so that we can hammer out a solution to the current conflict. We want you to bring your leader as a gesture of good faith.

3. It was sloppy. Allowing enemy vessels carrying live amunition to enter the area was sloppy. Keeping the delegates on the DECK of a BATTLESHIP that was firing was sloppy. He had to know there was going to return fire, and therefore is responcible for their deaths. Perhaps not directly responcible (That would be IDF, but it would be unreasonable to complain that he returned fire when fired upon), but charges of criminal negligence could easily be leveled. Frankly, if I were doujin with his resources, I would have attempted some sabotoge to quickly cripple the IDF SDs, and then engage them with lighter ships to prove IDF's inharent inferiority (IDF, i don't actually beleive that... it's just what I would do if I were to make a point). The sabotoge could have been carried out by midget subs or frogmen, or by a 'Technical staff' that doujin brought on board to make sure communications equipment was compatable. Or, hell, I would have imidietly attempted to knock out all their communications with radiation seaking munitions and then killed the ships and THEN proceeded to bombard the coastline. This was simply a turkey shoot.

Anyway... as I said... I won't clutter up this thread with requests for compensation...

A) The "enemy vessels" were part of a parade; the fact that IDF arms ships that are in parades is his own business and not Doujin's.

B) The point we were trying to make was made. The point was not to cripple IDF's ships (yet) or his defenses, but to make a point about issuing statements amounting to declarations of war against the OMP.

C) One of the goals of the campaign would be to remove IDF's leadership that sponsored the acts in question. This was accomplished as the very first shots were fired, thus it was a fairly brilliant move.

D) The delegates were given ear muffs to protect them from the sound and would have been (if they weren't in the RP already) escorted into the heavily armored sections shortly after firing was initiated.

E) We hardly bombarded the coastline; I only sent a very few Tomahawks against IDF's actual mainland and they were targetted at key military and industrial facilities. It was a "shot across the bow" if you will; we'd just pretty much wiped his ships in the immediate area away and were sending a message that his country could be leveled at any time we chose.

F) The delegates would have been safe from any conventional response to our conventional attack. The only reason any harm came to them is because IDF resorted to nuclear weaponry of strategic size right off the bat (not going to argue if he was justified or not). I'll admit, we (or at least I) did not expect such a response.

Now, getting back to the point of the thread:

It is currently (unless I'm mistaken):

Me and Doujin and perhaps some other OMP member (still waiting on Doujin's response to that)

Versus

IDF and Whittier and perhaps one or two other nations.

Rules (that have been agreed upon or discussed):

No Super-Dreadnoughts (ships should be kept to the size of RL ships or smaller).
No WMD's.
This will primarily be a naval RP and thus army and air force units will be relatively untouched unless land-based planes begin engaging naval vessels, in which case those affected reserve the right to attack the land-based craft.
IDF does not want his military completely gutted (as is understandable) so I'm thinking that we'll stick mainly to attacking his naval vessels and then get to a peace deal before we have to resort to a blockade or an invasion (which is a pity cause blockades are fun, hehehe).

So, all I need is for Doujin to post if he wants another ally or not and IDF to post his other ally/allies. Then any more rules floating about should be discussed and a final set agreed upon so this RP can begin.

I realize a war would be costly and would actually like to have a diplomatic thread of peace talks before a full war develops. WE hope it won't come to that and would like to have a meeting via comms links.

signed,
Acting SEcretary of STate and President of NW Indiana Province Ben Tallman

OOC: if it comes to a war I agree that it should be mainly naval, but of course some land based planes will get involved and that's fine, my only land forces that should get involved will be SAM batteries if planes come over IDF

I realize a war would be costly and would actually like to have a diplomatic thread of peace talks before a full war develops:

signed,
Acting SEcretary of STate and President of NW Indiana Province Ben Tallman


Secret: Might I suggest you hire out Private Military Corporations to help your war effort.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345307

Secret: Might I suggest you hire out Private Military Corporations to help your war effort.

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345307
Not in a closed RP where few nations are allowed

*BUMP*

So, what's the verdict?