NationStates Jolt Archive

Location: Capitol Building, Tenochitlian
2:30 PM

Premier Quetzalcoatl stood in the balcony of the Capitol Building. He looked over the beautiful metropolis of Tenochitilan. He was glad the rain had finally let up and although there was slight overcast, it was a bright day and the sky was colored with a light blue so deep and pure, it seemed as if the beautiful oceans and the sky was one. This would be an important day, the ANL is the co-chair for the Allied Socialist Defense Union, and although it had been inactive for a long time, the Union was finally getting mobilized. He walked back into his Chambers and put on a white linen shirt and jeans. Although this was going to be a big event, he wanted everyone to feel casual and at ease. He then exited out of his recedency and walked over to Tenochitilan's airport, waiting to greet his fellow delegates.

OOC: This meeting pretty much is for myself and:

Malatose
Dr_Twist*
Zapado
Surda
Emuzine
Hattia*
Blargistania*
Lunatic Retard Robots
*ASDU member via Embassy

This is an peaceful RP and if you are at war with any of thesefore mentioned nations, please do not interfere.

I'm actually not, but could I??? You wanna start a campain? I'm a noob, but never too lazy to learn........he this is easy :mp5:

Commisar of Alliances Morozov stepped off of the small plane. He blinked a few times as his eyes became adjusted to the bright light. "Bloody hell, it's hot here..." he mumbled. Dressed casually in loose pants and a t-shirt. He looked around and sighted Premier Quetzalcoatl. Wiping a bit of sweat from his brow, he made his way over to the Premier. "Comrade, it's good to see you!"

The Premier shook hands with the Commisar and said "Yes, it is indeed good to see you too. I am glad you are able to attend this meeting, I do hope many more will come. Now, if you wish, you can head to the hotel room reserved for you, explore the city or one of my aides can take you to the Great Union Chambers, the our Congressional building and the site where this conference will take place. Do you have any questions or anything you wish to discuss?"

A Nimrod coastal patrol plane touches down in Tenochitlian, having been diverted from its usual duties to fly Henry Svenson to the city for regional talks. Svenson, used to the cool climate of LRR, feels uncomfortable in the heat, and gets off the plane in a T-shirt and shorts.

He walks over to Premier Quetzacotl...

Noticing LRR's Ambassador was comming up behind him, Quetzalcoatl turns around, just in time to meet him. Smiling, the young Premier said "Ahh, hello. You must be LRR's represenative. Welcome to Tenochitilan, do you have any questions or want anything?"

"Nope, I've actually been here once before. Pleased to meet you, Premier. My name is Henry Svenson."

Can I join? I'm a Capitalist, but I defend socialists here. Just ask Whittier, Dr_Twist, Communist Louisiana, or Communist Mississippi. I'm a Whittier Pact member and that pact does defends socialists

Quetzalcoatl then said "Oh, ok, alright. Well, if you want me, I'll be waiting out here for a while, waiting for the other diplomats. If you need anything, feel free to ask. The hotel we booked you at is the Starlight Villa, about three miles west, there is a limo outside waiting. Either that or you can explore the town or head to the Great Union Chambers, where the conference will be."

Can I join? I'm a Capitalist, but I defend socialists here. Just ask Whittier, Dr_Twist, Communist Louisiana, or Communist Mississippi. I'm a Whittier Pact member and that pact does defends socialists

OOC:
I would see no problem in allowing you in...Besides, I'm an ally of Communist Louisiana and Dr_Twist, so I trust their judgement. I'm doubt the others would object.

General Secretary of the CMP Nikita Baria had just finished going over important paper work outlaying future Malatosian Plans.He sighed as noticed it was time for him to catch his private jet for the important ASDU meeting.He looked forward to meeting the other Co-Chairman of the ASDU after a long period of de-mobilization and he also had alot of suggestions he wanted to put on the table

OOC:
I would see no problem in allowing you in...Besides, I'm an ally of Communist Louisiana and Dr_Twist, so I trust their judgement. I'm doubt the others would object.
thank you, Secretary of State Kenny Williams is boarding his El Al 747-400 and going to land at Tenochitilan in 10 hours. He will enjoy his time out of the office.

General Secretary of the CMP Nikita Baria had just finished going over important paper work outlaying future Malatosian Plans.He sighed as noticed it was time for him to catch his private jet for the important ASDU meeting.He looked forward to meeting the other Co-Chairman of the ASDU after a long period of de-mobilization and he also had alot of suggestions he wanted to put on the table

Quetzalcoatl was waiting near the Terminal, not even bothered by the heat. On of his aides came by and said "The Malatosian president, Nikita Baria is now on his way. Also, IDF is comming and should be here in ten hours."

The Premier smiled and said "Good, I look forward to meeting both of them. Ask the rest of the delegates if we should invite Hamptonshire to observe the meeting, they have long wanted to build better relations with us.

Svenson goes to the hotel and finds his room. He then lays down for a nap while waiting for the conference to begin.

I may need help from 1 nation here

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=345317&page=1&pp=15

(the link for the closed flaming thread with background info is on the OOC thread posted above)

The reasoning put forth by Unum Veritas is lies, I don't supply pirates, I did have a bounty on a Doujin, but removed it within a few hours. My alliance was not a military one, but a technological one to develop new weapons and allow nations to have options to make sure they weren't bossed around by Doujin.

I even ended that alliance to try and make peace with Doujin (who attacked an IDF Battleship in mid-June long before this alliance or any of these developments. It was also the source of my distrust towards Doujin). I was then invited to a conference 1,500 km south of IDF in the Western part of the Indian Ocean. My President and other diplomats were invited, it was to be part of peace with Doujin. We had a parade of ships. Doujin then opened fire and captured my President and Secretary of sTate along with Naval officers present. he killed tens of 1,000s of IDF sailors and then he and Unum Veritas attacked the IDF homeland killing 200,000 civilians. The war became a flame fest and we are starting over with it. It will be cloased and I can have 2 allies. Whittier should be one and I need one other and think that one of you would understand and want to stand up to the imperialist capitalist nation of Doujin. He is standing in the way of good Socialism and has problems with them. Just ask Whittier or Dr_Twist. The old war was closed by mods for flaming by allies of Doujin

Well, I'm not the war type, but this is an interesting point. I can't commit, but I am keeping an eye on the issue.

-~=b U M P=-~

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Occ- We got work to do on that other RP of ours, get over to yahoo if you're in the mood for RP work. :D

The Premier shook hands with the Commisar and said "Yes, it is indeed good to see you too. I am glad you are able to attend this meeting, I do hope many more will come. Now, if you wish, you can head to the hotel room reserved for you, explore the city or one of my aides can take you to the Great Union Chambers, the our Congressional building and the site where this conference will take place. Do you have any questions or anything you wish to discuss?"

Sorry about replying so late, got too many damn hard classes at school. Sooo much homework...

Morozov wiped his forehead again, "I'd rather like to head to the hotel now, I've got jet lag from hell, it's 3AM at home right now. I do with to explore the city, but later."

The Premier said to Morozov, "Alright, the hotel we have booked you at is the Starlight Villa, about three miles west. There is a car waiting for you at the front of the Terminal."

OOC: ah, here it is.

IC:

Aleczander Hamion stepped out of the state Limo and walked into the hotel. He checked into his room, took a brief look around, and then flopped into one of the comfortable looking chairs. It was indeed comfortable. He told an aid to send a quick communique to the other ASU members. Time to get to business.

Aleczander Hamion wishes the others to know he has arrived and is waiting for a message on when the meetings will begin. Regards.

The Premier's aide came by again and gave him the message. The Premier looked back and said "Good, tell him I send my greetings and I will notify him of the start."

The Premier got up and walked over to a car waiting for him. He got in it and drove off to the Grand Union Chambers in the city square. Within a couple of minutes, he was there.

He got out of the car and walked into the eddifice. It was a lavish building. It looked like some grand 1940's hall, decorated in dark red and gold. In the center front of the building, various flowers and decorations lined around the center podium. Quetzalcoatl looked at the leather seats. Instead of Soviet Congressmen, placecards marked where the delegates would be seated. He then called the coordinator of the event.

"Alright, any other of the delegates that come need to be directed to the chambers. Tell those at the hotel they need to be here in two hours."

After that, the Premier went into the back rooms. There, he changed into a more formal suit.

Morozov strode into the conference room, still wearing his casual clothes. He searched around until he found his seat and sat down, waiting for the other delegates...

The Premier walks out of the back room and notices Mr. Morozov sitting in his seat. The Premier walked up to him and said "Ahh, good to see you arrive early. Please, do not feel uncomfortable about the clothing change, I feel I should be the one dressed up, since the ANL is the host of this meeting."

Alec recieved the message. Notify the aids he said. He went down to the valet service area and handed his hotel card to the valet. The young man looked down and noted the room number. I'll be right back sir .

Alec waited for a few minutes until a small convoy of cars pulled up. He got into the Presidential limo, joined by his aids. The convoy pulled out of the garage and onto the streets.

Several minutes later, Alec, escorted by his aids, arrived at the conferance center. He stepped into the hall and as his aids went to their respective seats, he walked to Premier Quetzalcoatl to shake his hand.

The Premier was glad to see Blargistania's delegation and shook Aleczander Hamion's hand. "Greetings, I'm glad you're here. Welcome to the Grand Union Chambers. I'll make sure the meeting begins promptly. How has your visit been so far?"

Henry Svenson arrives in the conference chamber, wearing shorts, a T-shirt, and an Indiana Jones-style hat.

He looks around and finds his seat.

"My visit so far has been excellent. This is truly a beautiful country here. I'm impressed with the hotel you've put us up in, great accomadations. That and the service is very attentive. What is on the likely agenda for today?"

"My visit so far has been excellent. This is truly a beautiful country here. I'm impressed with the hotel you've put us up in, great accomadations. That and the service is very attentive. What is on the likely agenda for today?"

"I'm pleased to hear that. I'm glad you are having a good time in the country. Today is going to be rather informal. Basically, we'll start off the meeting and outline what we want to accomplish in this meeting. Later on, we will get more detailed."

Noticing LRR's delegation arriving, the Premier then turns towards them and waves hi.

The Premier looked at his watch. It was time. He moved up to the center podium to address all of the delegates.

"Greetings to everybody, and welcome to the Aztec National League. I'm glad you could all make it here. Hopefully, more of the ASDU members will show up. However, I'll start of the meeting.

"These times we live in are precarious times. Many wars have broken out and many people have died in these terrible altercations. Much of this is from a clash of idealologies. It is important for nations of like-governments to come together for both common defence and promoting our beliefs in a non-imperalistic manner.

"The ASDU has long existed in peace, however, this peace was partially due to the fact that we have not been very active. Therefore, to bring us back into the limelight of the international community, I have requested we convine here to discuss what we want our part to be in helping the world. Our foundations are democracy, Marxism, socialism or progressivism co-existing with capitalist nations and mutual defence. However, we must decide how what our goals are and how we are going to implement our goals. In addition, we can decide if and how we will re-organize ourselves so we each have a job that helps the ASDU.

"With that said, I believe this meeting can be productive. With our similar beliefs, I'm more then sure we will find large amounts of common ground and the ASDU will do well."

(OOC: I'm going to wait until someone posts something and then I'll move on.)

OOC: I'm sorry for being late, my relatives have been visting. I'll just work myself in then.

IC: Briskly stepping off the Surdan Presedential Plane and into a waiting limo, Revolutionary Stephen O'Rourke knew he was late for the ASDU meeting. He checked his watch and signalled the driver to go - fast. Not long after arriving in ANL, the Surdan native was stunned by the elegant edifice, ten times more beautiful then anything in his perputually war-torn nation. Walking into the Conference Room, the Revolutionary proudly, yet nonchalantly jingled his numerous medals to draw attention to himself. He then sat down and waited for the next speaker in the historical meeting that would finally bring Surda and the ASDU to the World.

"I think part of the reason that we, as a region, have prospered is the fact that we lay low. We are by no means the most powerful economically or militarily, so by going out into the rest of the world to promote our beliefs may gain unwanted attention from more conservative nations."

Hamion stood and waited to be acknowledged, after being done so, he began to speak. It is true that my nation is yet a recent affiliate of the Allied Socialist Union, but I am very eager to bring what I can to the table. It is perhaps, as our delegate from LRR has pointed out, we prosper because we lie in the shadows. We all know that there are numerous capitalists alliance that look down upon our great nations. I think we need to change this. The capitalists have been held back before and I do not think we present enough of a threat to goad them into an attack.

However, I think we need to make a firm stance in our idiologies. We must come into power and show the world we exist. Defence is obviously a priority here. What I suggest is what we already have: a defensive pact. In regards to this, I believe we must define what it means to be defensive. The obvious is only to come to aid for nations within our alliance and only when they are attacked. Again, and only when they are not the original agressors. But what of other issues: what about wars to save people? Shall we come to other's aid then? There is currently a war raging in Cherry Ridge. This war is the result of a repressive religious regime killing anyone who disagrees with them. What shall we do in those situations. Blargistania has already chosen a coarse of action and we have a battle group in the area, but what will the ASU decide in such situations?

Second to defence, there is the issue of economics. Our nations range in their levels of economic strength. I'd suggest discounts at storefronts, shared technology, trading partnerships. These economic partnerships can create a lasting benifit to all of our nations. They will bring prosperity to us all. Storefront benifits will give our nations better purchasing power for new technology. Sharing our current technology will provide us with the edge in the world tech market. This is an obvious advantage, and, if given, we can take a substantial foothold in the world tech market. The others are self explanatory.

We need to take all of these points into consideration so we may bring our organization to a higher world power level.

Hamion finished his speech with a flourish, glanced breifly around at the assembled delegates, and then sat down.

OOC: This is going good.

IC:
The Premier was intrigued by both LRR's and BLARGistania's statement. He then said "What Mr. Svenson has said is true. Our region has done well because the ASDU has never been a target. We have always been a low key organization. However, what Mr. Hamion said, has much validity. I would not ask the members of our Union to engage in Imperialist acts or supporting violent coups, but I believe we should be willing to support governments that best reflect our views. Also, we could offer humanitarian aid in crisises and disasters. Mutual defense is also a good point, as long as the nation we are defending are not the agrivators of the situation.

The only area I am hesistant on is using military action in humanitarian crisises. While in the cases of mass genocide and gross human rights violations, it may be adivisable to step in. However, much of the world would see us as trying to be "policemen". Also, this may give our idealogical opponets an argument saying we are imperialist. Plus, military action has it's own negative consequences.

In regards to economics, I believe that is a good idea we can use. Discounts at storefronts for members would be good and when the ANL had a storefront, ASDU members had a discount of some sort. Techonological exchanges would be benefical to developing and economcially weak nations, as they would be able to keep up with the rest of the world and they are not left behind. Also, trading in between nations is a good idea. However, considering how each member nation's economy is over a wide range, it would be advisable to fine tune it so the weaker nations will prosper and profit off of it, but the stronger nations are not overextended and creating large trade deficiets."

Hamion nodded to the Premier's speech, he had made many points, in general agreement with Hamion's own ideas. Hamion stood again and responded to the Premier's speech

Let us first focus our attention then, on the matter that is foremost in these talks: mutual defense. We must set up a guideline to determine how our allaince will react to any military challenge. As we will most liekly all agree, we must never be agressors. This means that even if a member of the Allaince is an agressor, we must not come to aid. This may be seen as traitorous in some circles, but we must hold firm, and make sure that all member states understand this.

In regards to humanitarian aid consider this, my fellows. The allaince can set a new guidline, one of peace. If a humanitarian crises arises, in face of an evil or repressive regime, we must act, it can be considered our duty. We can bring the full weight of our allaince upon the situation, to remedy it. Once the problem has been removed, we rebuild, repair, and leave.

The accords can he seen as such:
In times of humanitarian crises, the Allied Socialist Union adopts such a policy of intervention on behalf of the people. Certain standards are required first.
Section 1: Definition of Crises:
Here be it defined that once a crises arises, the ASU will reactc swiftly and speedily. Crises being defined as any situation ariseing where the general population of a nation state are in physical or mental danger wither from a foreign force (i.e. invading army) or from an internal force (i.e. repressive government).

Section 2: Means of Response
After meeting the criteria of section 1, the governments of the ASU will respond in the following manner: Diplomatic pressure must first be applied in as many ways as possible. Sanctions, diplomatic pull outs, native citizen evacuations, and blockades are the first means of response. If the situation cannot be remedied, then military force will be used.

Section 2b: Military Force
After section 2a has been tried and failed, military action may be deployed. Military action must be targeted towards only eliminating targets of military significance, or of significance related to the situation. Weapons of Mass Destruction may not be used under any circumstances.

Section 3: Rebuilding
After Section 2b has been used, and after the situation has been responded to, military forces shall engage in rebuilding efforts. These efforts must return the civilian populace to their original state of living standard, if not better. Once normality has been returned to the peoples of the nation involved, the armed forces of all involved nations are required to leave.

Hamion sent copies of the plan for military action to the assembled delegates so they could read through it as he spoke it aloud.

Well gentlemen, what do we think.

Morozov stood up once the delegate from BLARGistania sat down.

I agree with most of the BLARGistanian delegate's points, though I wonder, where do you stand on attacking high level government buildings? We in Hattia do this, as we see the best way to end a conflict is to decapitate an enemy.

"It is my government's policy not to assassinate, but I admit we have tried it before, never to any major effect."

Hamion nodded towards the question

We have a similar idea of war in our nation. We strike at what is considered the best military targets. these are, most often, actual military targets: installations, compunds, bases etc. . . However, we have seen it fit from time to time to strike at other targets such as industrial centers, religious areas as in the case of Cherry Ridge, and governmental buildings. We look for the fastest, most bloddless way to end a war.

The Premier read over the plans. "This policy does look feasable and it looks very reasonable. However, if we are to adopt this policy, I would want to see restriction on attacking urban and non-combatant civilian targets. While in war, bombing government buildings and military targets is to be expected, to attack non-combatant property will be detrimental to the cause."

Bümp

The Premier read over the plans. "This policy does look feasable and it looks very reasonable. However, if we are to adopt this policy, I would want to see restriction on attacking urban and non-combatant civilian targets. While in war, bombing government buildings and military targets is to be expected, to attack non-combatant property will be detrimental to the cause."

"With most government facilities located in populated cities, there is a high likelyhood of civilian casualties, and with government officials in general much more heavily protected than civilians, I believe that in such a strike, the target may more often than not get away."

It should always be our first priority to protect the people in a combat zone. If we went around bombing everything it would make us look like bloodthirsty monsters. Socialists and Communists have a hard enough time in the already maintaing a good reputation, lets not make it more difficult.

In our cases of war, we must look at each one with a certain degree of individuality. The reasons for war are different in every case, as the motives and the responses. Our response must differ so in each case as well. If the cause of war is religious, then a bombing of religious shrines may be used to great effect. If it is industrial - target industry centers and so on. Each of these must be done with great caution so as not to intentionally hit civilians.

The Premier said "Alright, this doctorine looks good. If anyone opposes it, I suggest you bring up your arguments now. If not, I think we will agree to adopt it."

OOC: BbUuMmPp

Hamion stood again Well, it seems that objections are not being placed, at least at the moment. Why don't we move on to economics.

As we know, we are not a world super power as a region, we have long remained in the shadows and that is where we have prospered. Now, as we move into the forefront of the world's political organizations, we must find a way to enhance our position economically. It has already been suggested that we give a discount at our respective storefronts, when they emerge. The questions that arrive on this are: how much of a discount, on what products, are there minimum amounts and so on.

Besides the storefronts, we need to look to sharing our technology. Our countries would progress much faster with this type of sharing, maintaining a dominante position in the world tech markets. Developments could be shared within the ASDU, blueprints could be given to various members and the militaries could communicate with each other to share the latest uses of known technology.

Do we have any other suggestions?

The Premier said "How about a common market, also. I don't mean free trade, but I mean fair trade. We should have a system that is geared to be more fair to poorer nations of our Union. Also, what about intra-regional trading? Again, we would have to make sure they are in compliance with our beliefs, but we would be both gaining good relations with the international community."

Quetzalcoatl looked out to the delegates and said "Are there any objections or no?"

A common market is a good idea. I suggest we actually place a ban within our nations on 'free trade'. The system of free trade only serves to exploit the poorer countries. I offer no objections to the idea of a fair trade market.

I believe Hattia already offers discounts on equipment and free blueprints and production rights on most of our equipment to our allies. I have no objections to a fair trade market.

Happy to see how smoothy this ran, the Premier said "Alright, very good. Now since we have eaisily come to level ground on economics, we can either go two ways here. We can discuss how we recruit people into the Union or we can go one a break for a bit." (OOC: in other words, side line character RP.)

Silent for the whole of the meeting until now, Revolutionary O'Rourke stood and stated "I for one vouch for a break, all of this political mumbo-jumbo is getting to my head. I'll be sending in my Diplomatic Advisor, Eddie McCalizter after this. Diplomacy isn't my strong point, I hope Eddie will be of more help to you. The break should also allow the Representative from Trisfal to get up to speed with our going-ons and formally enter our Union."

OOC: I hate my realatives. School too. No time for NationStates in the past week. That should change though.

OOC: Sometimes they can be a pain, I have school comming up next. Oh well.

IC:
Hearing what the Revolutionary said, the Premier looked and said "Alright, does anyone else want a break or no? If so, this meeting will take a short recess."

OOC: Bah, been in school for 3 weeks...

IC: Morozov yawned and stretched out in his seat. "A break would be good..."

The Premier then said "Alright, until later, we will take a recess. Feel free to explore the city or do what you wish."

OOC note: I will not be on much because I do not have time in RL.

OOC: Surda, you're right, we need to get this started again. Since nothing is going on, we can re-continue with the meeting.

IC:
Premier Quetzalcoatl asked the different delegates "Well, shall we continue? How about we talk about getting more members in the alliance."

Sounds good. Nodded Hamion. But, outside of simply inviting our friends into the region, how will we gain new members. We can put our name out, I suppose, but that usually isn't all that effective. Anyone have suggestions?

Sounds good. Nodded Hamion. But, outside of simply inviting our friends into the region, how will we gain new members. We can put our name out, I suppose, but that usually isn't all that effective. Anyone have suggestions?

Semi-IC: Yes, I put two recruiting threads before...most people just say "I'll join but I'm not leaving the region.

IC:
"Agreed, we need to have a more effective way of getting people in. If I say so myself, humanitarian stances might be good."

"Hmm, I am sure we could get members from the International to join. Perhaps we could recruit smaller nations that are sympathetic to our goals...?"

"That is a good idea. However, what would be the most effective way to recruit new nations?"

"How does this sound to you?

Economics:

The ASDU, strongly believing in the values of socialism and progressivism, is of the firm belief that all people have the right to a fair opportunity and the only way to do that is through well funded education, social welfare and either a equal amount of wealth or at least, a fair amount of wealth among all the people.

Internationally speaking, all the nations of the ASDU have different economical strenghs. However, in compliance of our socialist doctorine, fair trade must be established. The more powerful nations should pick up more of the trade tab then the weaker nations. Therefore, it gives the smaller nations a chance to pick up economical steam. The larger nations can afford it, however, they should not hold the burden alone.

Now, lets talk about a different issue, one that might be more complicated, civil and political rights. While the ASDU has many nations with high amounts of civil rights, such as the ANL, Mentholyptus, BLARGistania, Kukaku; many of our members have more authoritarian styles when it comes to civil and poltical rights. How should we approach this?"

I think we may want to leave the issue of civil rights levels alone for the moment. Perhaps later we can find out what we want to impliment as a civil rights policy. But for now, I suggest all we require is a leftist nation. We can leave the entire issue alone and not discriminate against anyone.

"Maybe at the moment, we can put that topic aside. However, we will eventually have to take it up. Are there currently any other issues you wish to bring up before we move on to the next order of buisness?"

What about a common army amongst the ASDU. Something like the UN, but with teeth. That way, instead of asking individual nations for soldiers, we can have a common force to meet any agression faced against us.

"Frankly, in my belief, so called 'Authoritarian Socialism' is not true socialism. Civil and political freedoms should be one of the most important requirements for member nations..."

"Frankly, in my belief, so called 'Authoritarian Socialism' is not true socialism. Civil and political freedoms should be one of the most important requirements for member nations..."

"You make a good point. Plus, our goal is to bring liberty, freedom and socialism and prevent fascism."

"What about a common army amongst the ASDU. Something like the UN, but with teeth. That way, instead of asking individual nations for soldiers, we can have a common force to meet any agression faced against us."

"That might be a system we can look into. It might be expensive and hard to organize, but pheasable. Another idea would be to have all of our militaries under a central command authority that would only be activated in situation directly involving the defense of the region."

"You make a good point. Plus, our goal is to bring liberty, freedom and socialism and prevent fascism."

"That might be a system we can look into. It might be expensive and hard to organize, but pheasable. Another idea would be to have all of our militaries under a central command authority that would only be activated in situation directly involving the defense of the region."

Okay, so we may want to set a certain civil rights limit. Say 'reasonable' as a minimum entrance into the ASDU. In regards to the common army, a central command might be more efficent, but we would have to work out a command arrangment with our hometown militaries. If we don't we could have problems if one nation is involved in an international conflict and the need to defend the region comes up at the same time.

"I wouldn't be opposed to that compromise However, with the common army, you make a good point. Maybe we can set it up like this, before we can take any action, we must vote on it (1 vote per nation, simple majority needed)unless if an enemy declares war on the Union. The army is only to serve as a defensive device and can not obtain or operate WMDs."

"I am not sure about people of your respective nations, but I know my countrymen quite well, and it'd be doubtful they'd ever cooperate with a foreign general, even if the nation that the general hails from is allied with the Republic.

"That too is an interesting point. One hard to work around. Maybe, an alternative would be to create an army independent of any nation and only serves the region. No nation can command another nation's military, after all."

Bümp

"Perhaps instead of a standing alliance army, we could create an alliance spec-ops team. They are a lot more useful in delicate diplomatic situations anyway."

I would vote for a special unit of home guards. These units can operate in the home nation's military and yet be devoted to the defense of the Union. This way, each home guard unit is commanded by an officer from their home nation, but they provide a common defense. There is no arguing with foreign generals and no problems with shared command.

I would vote for a special unit of home guards. These units can operate in the home nation's military and yet be devoted to the defense of the Union. This way, each home guard unit is commanded by an officer from their home nation, but they provide a common defense. There is no arguing with foreign generals and no problems with shared command.

"This seems like a good plan of action. I would support this."

"Perhaps instead of a standing alliance army, we could create an alliance spec-ops team. They are a lot more useful in delicate diplomatic situations anyway."

"I'm not exactly clear on this, could you elaborate on it?"

Bump-op-poly

"I'm not exactly clear on this, could you elaborate on it?"

"I mean, we form a team made up of the best from each nation that can be used for anything along the lines of counter-terrorism, heavy handed diplomacy, etcedera. At least in my nation, the special forces are much more used to fighting alongside foreigners, so I don't think that would be a problem with them."

"Actually, that too is a good idea. Do you think there is a way we can combine your idea with Blargistania's idea?"

"Perhaps we could create small regular forces with the special forces at the center. This also raises the question of standardized weapons and such in these units..."