NationStates Jolt Archive

This is Mort Perkins welcoming you to our newest installment of The Moron's Guide series. Today we will be studying the nation of Automagfreek, it's policies, and why they do what they do. My guest today is none other than AMF Minister of Foreign Affairs Hartman.

Hartman is seen sitting in a highback chair to the right of Mr. Perkins. He extends a handshake towards Mr. Perkins, then gives a kind gesture to the camera. alright, Mr. Hartman, let's get started shall we?

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As you can see, this is the image people think of when they hear the name 'Automagfreek'. They automatically associate it with barbarism, genocide, and evil. While it is true that the Sentinels are a most brutal righting force, their actions are never unjustified. Let's look back a few years ago to the situation involving Austo Hungary. This singular incident is what has given AMF a bad name in the international community, but our actions in this fight were totally justified. Austo Hungary, in all their mindlessness, declared total war on Automagfreek for pulling it's political and military support for Fascist White States. AMF answered back to the call of total war with one of 'Blood Feud', and the results were swift and absolute.

Several months later Fascist White States went on a rampage, declaring war on almost a half dozen nations, all the meanwhile using the name of Automagfreek to keep them protected. Naturally, we dislike any nation using our name as an excuse to pick fights, so we did something about it. 250,000 Sentinel 'Peacekeepers' were sent to FWS to hold off aggression from the outside, but secretly we plotted to take FWS down in one swift stroke. Well, it worked, and we were totally justified in doing so. FWS was a major threat to peace and our credability, for they would attack another nation for no reason, then tell those that stood agaisnt FWS that we would destroy them if they opposed. This ended quickly.

Now, let us look at the situation involving Allanea. Allanea, out of the clear blue, launched an attack on our mainland. We in turn have answered with a devastating hammer blow to their war machine, and we expect the fight to end very soon. Again, we are totally justified in defending ourselves. It can be said that AMF is forced into war by others more than we force war on others.

<The camera cuts back to Mort, looking most interested.>

I see. Perhaps you would care to tell us about Automagfreek's international policies?

Hartman rises from his seat and moves towards a chart hung on the wall. He picks up a pointing stick and clears his throat.

Certainly.

First and foremost, AMF's number 1 policy regarding the international community is:

Don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you.

Plain and simple. If you do not threaten our interests or our allies directly, everything will be all good. It boggles the mind why so many oppose Automagfreek in the international community when we choose to keep to ourselves. Why must we always be prodded and provoked into action? I can think of a few reasons:

1. People see Automagfreek as a pillar of power.

If you can beat us then you must be the best, right? This is hardly fair to us, because we are not the ones going around intentionally picking fights. We would rather live in peace than constantly being bombarded by nations that are trying to make a name for themselves.

2. People disapprove of AMF foreign policy.

I hardly see how a 'Don't fuck with us, we won't fuck with you' policy is subject for military action, but I guess it is in some parts of the world.....

3. People disapprove of AMF civil abuses.

First off, most of the nations that accuse us of human rights abuses have LOWER civil rights than we do, and are in no position to complain about us. Lord Damien believes that ever Freek should be treated with his God given respect, and respct and freedom they get. As for our policy on turture: we reserve this for only the most vile ciminals. Our crime rate in non-existant thanks to it. How's your crime doing?

4. People disapprove of AMF commiting "genocide".

We do not have such a word in our vocabulary. When we commit what some refer to as 'genocide', we are infact using 'total war' tactics. Every single nation that we end up waring with suffers the effects of total war, particularly in the civilian area. BE ADVISED that we give more than enough time before any war even gets to the point of combat for civilians to flee the areas where there will be fighting. If they don't leave, then they must not mind getting shot, eh? We believe in total war because of the uses of guerrilla tactics and other such dirty tricks. We also unleash total war on the civilian sectors in order to hopefully force a quick surrender and prevent more bloodshed. That is why our acts of war are so swift and brutal.

<Camera cuts back to Mort.>

I see, most interesting Mr. Hartman. We're going to take a quick commercial break, but we'll be right back with questions from our studio audience.

Bump

The Emperor of ITD respects and admires your foreign policy.
Good Day.

wait...your saying that if I topple you, I'll be the best?

j/k :p

The Emperor of ITD respects and admires your foreign policy.
Good Day.

Our policy is actually rather commendable, once you get past all the negativity that certain nations like to spread. While not quite isolationist, it's probably the closest thing you can get to it while still remaining on your guard.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

"You have the Steel Imperium's respect."

The AI bows politely, the Mekantan equivalent to a salute.

wait...your saying that if I topple you, I'll be the best?

j/k :p


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IDF seems to not have problems with you, when you gutted FWS you were in the right, same as the Austo-Hungary war. We need to thank you for the land we got there, it made a good R&D zone for our military. We follow the Don't Fuck with you policy and shall continue it if not even become closer friends with AMF

Although Lorkhan does not necisserly agree with the your so called "Blood Feud" tactics, your reason in doing so is understandable. As for the FWS, good riddence to them. They were war mongering pathetic peoples that deserved what they had coming to them.

AMF has our respect for standing true to what they believe in and not bending to all the condeming that they must get on a day to day basis. We salute you at least for this.

Although Lorkhan does not necisserly agree with the your so called "Blood Feud" tactics, your reason in doing so is understandable. As for the FWS, good riddence to them. They were war mongering pathetic peoples that deserved what they had coming to them.

AMF has our respect for standing true to what they believe in and not bending to all the condeming that they must get on a day to day basis. We salute you at least for this.


Blood Feud is reserved for only the most hated of enemies. It is such and gruesome thing that it has barely reared it's ugly head, and hopefully it will stay that way. We also thank you for your encouragement, it is good to know that our determination and conviction is respected.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

While we don't approve of killing everything in sight all the time (in wartime we only do that to coastal cities), it is true that both FWS and Austo-Hungary deserved what they got. We prefer to burn every building down and leave the country as an anarchy of hobos. We don't have a problem with AMF, as they have never threatened Callisdrun in any way, shape or form.

AMF's foreign policy is alike to that of the EOL. It is good isn't it!

Our policy toward Automagfreek is the same as their policy toward the rest of the world.

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Our armed forces don't rape. We leave raping to the spies and operatives as a tool for interrogating captured enemy female spies.

We find rape disgusting, also most of the nations we attack are non-white nations, and that would be getting into areas of miscegenation. Any CM soldier conviceted of sexual contact with a non-white, is either hanged or stoned to death by the other soldiers of his unit. In the past 20 years there have been only 8 cases of sexual contact with non-whites in the armed forces (we weed out all suspected potential mixers)

In the general society, there are a reported 20,000 cases of inter-racial contact per year, needless to say that those 20,000 account for a number of the lynchings we have each year (About 300,000-600,000 lynchings per year)

Jangle Jangle Ridge's Foreign Policy: You annoy, we kill. Then we annex all your lands and property.

Our armed forces don't rape. We leave raping to the spies and operatives as a tool for interrogating captured enemy female spies.

We find rape disgusting, also most of the nations we attack are non-white nations, and that would be getting into areas of miscegenation. Any CM soldier conviceted of sexual contact with a non-white, is either hanged or stoned to death by the other soldiers of his unit. In the past 20 years there have been only 8 cases of sexual contact with non-whites in the armed forces (we weed out all suspected potential mixers)

In the general society, there are a reported 20,000 cases of inter-racial contact per year, needless to say that those 20,000 account for a number of the lynchings we have each year (About 300,000-600,000 lynchings per year)

Um......good for you?

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

"What's your position on enemy surrenders after the fighting has begun?"


OOC: I've survived since April with out a single war or battle of any kind.

"What's your position on enemy surrenders after the fighting has begun?"



It depends on how serious the fight is. If the person we are fighting wants to play dirty (bio/chem weapons, etc.) then we will give no quarter. We believe in setting examples during our wars, that way people learn from those lessons and are less likely to engage us in the future. Unless of course they want to get beat down, but in that case we'd step things up a notch.

Peace through cold blooded brute stength, I always say.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

"Do you ever attack nations that haven't done anything to you but pose a real threat to world security?"

Our armed forces don't rape. We leave raping to the spies and operatives as a tool for interrogating captured enemy female spies.

We find rape disgusting, also most of the nations we attack are non-white nations, and that would be getting into areas of miscegenation. Any CM soldier conviceted of sexual contact with a non-white, is either hanged or stoned to death by the other soldiers of his unit. In the past 20 years there have been only 8 cases of sexual contact with non-whites in the armed forces (we weed out all suspected potential mixers)

In the general society, there are a reported 20,000 cases of inter-racial contact per year, needless to say that those 20,000 account for a number of the lynchings we have each year (About 300,000-600,000 lynchings per year)

define "white"

define "white"


100% European. Basically if you look white, think white, and act white, we class you as white and you're good to go.

"Do you ever attack nations that haven't done anything to you but pose a real threat to world security?"


Absolutly not. It is not our policy to involve ourselves in matters that do not affect us. If an ally approaches us for help we may consider it, but we normally won't unless they themselves fall under attack.

Oh by the way, if an ally of ours is an unjust aggressor, we will not bail them out. We don't blindly rush to the aid of those that screw themselves into the ground.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

100% European. Basically if you look white, think white, and act white, we class you as white and you're good to go.

-OOC-

What about nonhuman whites? I mean, they're white... But they aren't European origin. Or they have something like natural stripes on thier face. But for the most part, they're white christians.

Ha ha, got you there, don't I? They're not TECHNICALLY white, but they're white.

And Celdrone... Red 9.

The Naval Empire of Unum Veritas has no quarrel with Automagfreek and wishes it to stay that way. We have the utmost respect for the government of that nation as a result of the trials it has endured. It has been a great source of curiousity to us why nations continually plague the peoples of AMF and we offer our condolences for the tribulations you have endured as a result of your popular status. Be assured that if you ever have need of a friend, the Veritasean people will stand beside Freeks any day. We've not interacted with your country before and yet we still harbor respect for you and your people. We would be proud to fight alongside people so worthy of respect.

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High Chancellor Harding
The Naval Empire of Unum Veritas
Member: NAIA
Member: Band of Brothers
Member: Organization of Marine Powers (http://www.gaizme.com/omp/forums/index.php)
Vice President and Naval Commander: Legion of Defence (http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2503299#2503299)
Owner: Veritasean Naval Industries Inc. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6674789&posted=1#post6674789)

OOC: I forgot! Okay I've survived since April with no wars!

100% European. Basically if you look white, think white, and act white, we class you as white and you're good to go.

in my RP, we generally go from the baseline that there is no europe. Callisdrunians are extremely pale with black hair, eyes either green or brown. but they're genetically... quirky would be good word to use. do they count as white? this is theoretical

Bump for the night

Any good military commander knows that 'civilian' targets are often the targets that are also most damaging to enemy combatants. Destroying power facilities, hospitals, water treatment plants food supplies and the like are the quickest way to bring any conflict to swift end. Civilian populations that are directly attacked to disable the military suffer far less in the long run considering how much shorter the conflict is and how much sooner repair and normal life can be restored. My Retaliatory Guard often use these tactics, although we never rape or pillage.

A foreign policy that recognizes and does not interfere with national sovereignty should also just be a matter of common sense.

While AMF takes both to an extreme, the basic foundations are sound and have merit.

Supreme Republican Commander Istvan Vaikov, One-Hundredman of the Retaliatory Guard

Absolutly not. It is not our policy to involve ourselves in matters that do not affect us. If an ally approaches us for help we may consider it, but we normally won't unless they themselves fall under attack.

Oh by the way, if an ally of ours is an unjust aggressor, we will not bail them out. We don't blindly rush to the aid of those that screw themselves into the ground.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-

Good enough for the Empire, try to keep it that way!

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ya...last time I ate you, you burst out of my midsection o_0

the allies policy is particualrly good. Ie better than many stupid alliances thaat exist. I wouldnt bail or stick my neck out for a stupid ally.


[young nation]
Oh and what exactly makes sentinels special? Equipment? training? Genetic alteration? Im not mocking, im just curious as everyone speaks in hushed tones about them, but doesnt say why they are so goddam nasty...

thanks.
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OOC: my nation is not about to copy them/compete... but that said Id like A to know why... out of curiosity and B how i could improve my own infantry. If a nation specialises in something its always good to listen to what their strengths are. AMF specialises in kick ass infantry or so i hear.

They're like an advanced breed of humans from what I heard.

Hmmm....

Bump

Official Statement from the Island of Rose:

We... find your foreign policy... acceptable. Bah, the Parliament made me write this, between you and me, this is great... damn liberals... right. Anyway, what is your stance on n00bs? /\/00bs as in those that are annoying. Right... by the by, would you like to import some porn? Sorry the Minister of Commerce made me right that... right... um... okay. This is awkward... so that's a nice foreign policy, bye!
-Vice President of the Island of Rose: Orcha Yultanov

OOC: Erm.....the term 'n00b' is more of an OOC thing.

Mr. Hartman, what is Automagfreek's policy for dealing with known human rights violator nations?

Mr. Hartman, what is Automagfreek's policy for dealing with known human rights violator nations?


Unless they are people from Automagfreek or people from countries we are allied with, it is really none of our business.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of Foreign Affairs-
Member of N.A.T.O

OOC: Bump

Nivia Alix von Cohen, Chief Herald of Vastiva, straightens first her burnoose then the glasses perched anachronistically on her nose before reading the following statement to the world press:

"At this time, it is the pleasure of my office to inform the world of the following statement, issued by our Sultan this day.

Vastiva stands by and with Automagfreek, just as we stand by and with NATO.

Our goals and policy are nearly identical; we find no fault in their tactics, we find no merit in those who attack Automagfreek.

We do not understand why nations appear to be so needful of a contact with AMF or NATO - we have never heard a valid reason for such, though many invalid and ridiculous arguements have been put forth.

As such, it is and will remain Vastiva's policy to support Automagfreek, and to adhere to similar policies of interdiction and interaction as they have put forth.

Signed by my hand this day,
Sinjin Lefkowitz al-Din, Sultan and State of Vastiva

She removes her glasses and gives a slight bow to the audience.

"Many apologies, but this office has been directed to field no questions as this time."

The Republic of Ancient Terra finds your policies to be intelligent and well-thought out. If we were in your position, we would probably do the same thing. As a signatory to the UnAPS Charter, Terra understands the problems you have had with Allanea, and hopes that he will trouble you no longer.

You have a most thrilling foriegn policy- I personally highly applaud you. I also share in your discontent of this word, "genocide"- we did not have that word in our vocabulary, either! (Though we did not commit it.)

Again all we are seeing is AMF go on about how he is so powerful in this world and crush any one.... There are Nations around here who have never lost a was ether and have never been to war with you and also have extremely strong links that could bring your nation to bear and you go on about how Mighty you are... Which is rather sad indeed.

Again all we are seeing is AMF go on about how he is so powerful in this world and crush any one.... There are Nations around here who have never lost a was ether and have never been to war with you and also have extremely strong links that could bring your nation to bear and you go on about how Mighty you are... Which is rather sad indeed.

OOC: And you're bragging... why?

If you both are powerful, and aren't going to fight or interact... fine. Ok. So. You go your way, and good luck to you.

OOC: And you're bragging... why?

If you both are powerful, and aren't going to fight or interact... fine. Ok. So. You go your way, and good luck to you.

Because AMF ignored me because he didn't want to RP.... he wanted me 2 just surrender to him while i was involved in a massive civil war.... His reasons for Ignoring me to this day still are questioned because they truly have no grounds.... i understand why he ignored others but yet to understand why he ignored me.... He goes on about number wanking while in that War my whole armed forces were disbanded.... So how can i number wank if there were no forces to number wank with?

OCC: I am sorry if this has gone of Track AMF

Because AMF ignored me because he didn't want to RP.... he wanted me 2 just surrender to him while i was involved in a massive civil war.... His reasons for Ignoring me to this day still are questioned because they truly have no grounds.... i understand why he ignored others but yet to understand why he ignored me.... He goes on about number wanking while in that War my whole armed forces were disbanded.... So how can i number wank if there were no forces to number wank with?

OCC: I am sorry if this has gone of Track AMF

OOC: Uhm, Dr T - if he doesn't want to play with you, go play with someone else. Simple. You don't need to understand. Respect his decision, move on. You stay in your sandbox, he stays in his, life goes on.

I'd swear this whole "prestige of being recognized by AMF" or "prestige of 'taking down a NATO member'" just looks like little children fighting over mommy sometimes. Who cares? Get on with your life, people - somewhere else!

Because AMF ignored me because he didn't want to RP.... he wanted me 2 just surrender to him while i was involved in a massive civil war.... His reasons for Ignoring me to this day still are questioned because they truly have no grounds.... i understand why he ignored others but yet to understand why he ignored me.... He goes on about number wanking while in that War my whole armed forces were disbanded.... So how can i number wank if there were no forces to number wank with?

OCC: I am sorry if this has gone of Track AMF


OOC: You brought in Whittier and collectively started mobilizing over a hundred million troops to throw at me. I serisouly do not know why you cannot understand why I do not want to waste time RPing with people who throw around that many troops and think it's ok. It is NOT ok at all, because it is a logistical and financial nightmare.

Seriously Dr_Twist, why can you not understand this? For months now I have tried to explain this to you and still you cannot understand why I ignored you. I swear, trying to explain this to you is like trying to explain quantum physics to a kid with Down Syndrome.

And why does it bother you so much? You whine and complain about it constantly, and it seriously makes me wonder just how much me recognizing you means to you. Do you need me to recognize you that bad? Why can you not let the fact that I ignored you go already? This is getting really freakin' old, even for someone who is normally a cool customer like myself.

OOC: You brought in Whittier and collectively started mobilizing over a hundred million troops to throw at me. I serisouly do not know why you cannot understand why I do not want to waste time RPing with people who throw around that many troops and think it's ok. It is uk at all, because it is a logistical and financial nightmare.

Seriously Dr_Twist, why can you not understand this? For months now I have tried to explain this to you and still you cannot understand why I ignored you. I swear, trying to explain this to you is like trying to explain quantum physics to a kid with Down Syndrome.

And why does it bother you so much? You whine and complain about it constantly, and it seriously makes me wonder just how much me recognizing you means to you. Do you need me to recognize you that bad? Why can you not let the fact that I ignored you go already? This is getting really freakin' old, even for someone who is normally a cool customer like myself.

I did as Whitter to send in Forces, I was unaware of his Mobilization number when he was asked and i had nothing to do with those Numbers only Whitter did.

Also nice Flame bait there but i wont be going down the same Path as you on this subject to start throw around abuse, I am a Civilized person so i don't need to throw around abuse.

and lastly, It bothers me because you parade around saying "I am the Biggest and Strongest and no one can touch me", You go around thinking you are the best sure there could be some truths in that but it doesn't do well for other Nations around here as your head is on the chopping block 24/7.... AMF, fix up your game because its simple no one is the best.... There are nations theses days which u can’t touch because of there strengths and allies, You are one i am other and Melkor and others around the place.... So stop parading around. Because you aren’t the only un touchable here.

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You miss one very obvious point here, DT:

THIS IS HOW I PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!

I play the game as a fascist bastard who think's he's the toughest shit around. THIS IS HOW I LIKE TO RP, and I'm not going to change it for you or for anyone. If you do not like the fact that I RP and arrogant leader from an arrogant nation, then please add me to your ignore list.

I can think I'm the baddest MF'er around, and that's my right to do so because that is the role I have chosen in this game. Please try to comprehend this. You CLEARLY have mistaken IC arrogance for OOC arrogance, and I take insult to that.

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You miss one very obvious point here, DT:

THIS IS HOW I PLAY THE GAME!!!!!!

I play the game as a fascist bastard who think's he's the toughest shit around. THIS IS HOW I LIKE TO RP, and I'm not going to change it for you or for anyone. If you do not like the fact that I RP and arrogant leader from an arrogant nation, then please add me to your ignore list.

I can think I'm the baddest MF'er around, and that's my right to do so because that is the role I have chosen in this game. Please try to comprehend this. You CLEARLY have mistaken IC arrogance for OOC arrogance, and I take insult to that.

Well atleast that makes things a lot Clearer to myself and a lot of other Nations around here.... and no you wont go on my Ignore List because i don't have a valid reason.

Though i would like to look over the Reason why you are actually Ignoring me because i didn't godmod at all in my Civil war i am still confused of how i GODMODDED to be ignored by you... Because i had no Armed Forces as they were all disbanded.... the only forces i had was the Bulgarian home Guard which was no more then 120,000 Troops.... So if i didn't GODMOD militarily on that thread i would still like to know how i did to get ignored by yourself...?

I simply choose not to play with you Twist, it's as simple as that and it's my choice to make. Some people choose to not flat out ignore me but also not interact with me, and that's all I'm doing here.

I simply choose not to play with you Twist, it's as simple as that and it's my choice to make. Some people choose to not flat out ignore me but also not interact with me, and that's all I'm doing here.

You have answered many Questions today a True Enemy would result to Flaming or just Plain Ignoring questions, Atleast it shows you do have the ability to front the questions ask by was once an ally but has some how turned into blood enemies.

You have answered many Questions today a True Enemy would result to Flaming or just Plain Ignoring questions, Atleast it shows you do have the ability to front the questions ask by was once an ally but has some how turned into blood enemies.


Hey man it happens all the time. Someone who was once your IC ally is now a bitter foe, and vice versa. A classic example is Steel Butterfly and myself. We absolutly HATED eachother's guts OOCly, now we're both IC and OOC buddies. Stuff like this happenes sometimes, and all you can really do is just ride it out.

The Federation finds no problem with your strategy, for it has worked for us in the past(against smaller enemies, but enemies none the less).


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President Zeke Anaki
The Gallente Federation of The Lightning Star

OOC: Good thread (not too far from 500 posts now!)

[IC post would be here, if I had the time]

OOC: Wouldnt have thought you'd have needed to guide yourself on your own foreign policy.

-Vaguly amusing/insulting tag-

I'd imagine that foreign policy is extremely efficient.

wow AMF! i didn't know u cared so much. . . writing a foreign pollicy giude just for me and alll...

OOC: A fine and - interesting - defense of your perfectly normal foreign policy. I find it amazing that anyone can criticize it or even slap the label 'genocide' to your total wars and zesty blood feuds. I mean...wtf?

Suddenly, an eccentric Zoogiedom reporter dives out from among the crowd with microphone in hand, eagerly asking, 'So...did you really burst out of Atlantian Outcast's midriff?'

Bump

More folks need to READ this.

-tagged, as probably aimed in my general direction :P-

-tagged, as probably aimed in my general direction :P-

OOC: No, mostly at the people at my throat right now calling me a warmonger.

A submission by video uplink

Doctor Aaron Shen appears on the screen. A noted political figure in Noviet politics, now retired, Shen carries a fair bit of national respect inside Nova Hope. Smiling and waiting for the queue to come to his turn he smiled and addressed the foreign affairs minister professionally.

“Minister Hartman hello, first off I’d like to laud your appearance on this segment as ignorance in this area seems to be rampant and needs to be combated. Onto the meat of the matter now though, your country’s international policies.

I don’t think a legitimate argument could be put forward to defend the actions of your enemies. The fact that your sword was the first to open the wound is inconsequential, because the world at large regarded each of your victims as bottom feeders worthy of military intervention, you merely beat them to it.

Now before I’m accused of a hypocrisy I’d like to concede that my country does in fact engage in utilitarian warfare, much to the chagrin of the international community. It has always been Noviet policy that while risk is inevitable in warfare steps should be taken to limit the risk to our own troops by increasing the risk to enemy combatants. In the Noviet example this includes an abundance of antipersonnel ordinance and a wider category of acceptable targets.

Admitting that we are preaching from similar schools is it not a matter of degree? While a government’s duty it to its citizens first is there not something to be said for the dignity of the individual?

Perhaps it is a matter of the severity that your sentinels carry out attacks on secondary targets that arouses such a response in the world. Would it completely undermine your policy goals if you installed puppet regimes, annexed the land, or simply left some of the population alive?”

[OOC: Not bad work AMF, and a good list of rebuttals on AMF accusations. A few questions however:

How come you have a Civil Rights rating of "Few"?
Continuing from the first part, did AMF had better civil rights ratings in the past?
Do you think this needs an update?
Are there any changes in Foreign Policy?

There. That's all I have. Good job writing things, as usual.]

Pythogria actually follows a very, very similar policy to yours, and thus, respects it.

Jesus. Talk about gravedigging.

OOC: it like it is has some nice morning humor. btw is your clamping down thread going to turn into another Freek-Kraven War?

OOC: Very nice...I like this policy. And how on Earth did this topic come up from nearly two years ago to now...

Although we may never interact, we find our foreign policies to be similar. It is refreshing to come accross another Peace loving nation that prefers to be left alone, rather than dragged into meaningless war.

OOC: Very nice...I like this policy. And how on Earth did this topic come up from nearly two years ago to now...

OOC: Hmm? I found it on the first page a little while ago!

OOC: Very nice...I like this policy. And how on Earth did this topic come up from nearly two years ago to now...

Southeastasia has a habit of finding old threads like this.

Southeastasia has a habit of finding old threads like this.

That explains it...

NOTE TO SELF: LOOK AT LAST FEW POST DATES!

OOC: Well, while it was grave-digging, it was too good a thread to let die and I was too inquisitive. And it is good morning humor, indeed, Findan. :D

What's with the raping of women, Mr. Hartman? I mean, that's pretty heartless, come on.

To be honestly fair, I believe you should rape all sexes.

OOC: Finally, one more question - what if this rebuttal fails to work on people ICly and OOCly AMF?