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President James Madison of the Republic of Austar Union stands up to the podium in front of a large conference of the world media;

"Friends, and people from across the global theatre. Most, if not all of you have heard of Russian Forces, and a very large majority of you would agree with the level of rediculousness of this said government.

Throughout history, this nation has shown itself to be absolutley rediculous in its global politics, from being an enormous war-mongering nation, to being just absolutley useless in simple strategy and conflict management, to even having stupid political policy, of being completley Communism/Stalin Worshipping, to the point of a level of which would be hard to beleive.

And now, they come to the world, asking for global allies to assist them in a global coalition against the nation of Automagfreek, who of which we particularly dont care about anyway, but who of which we do recognise as generally not a bad nation.

Therefore, I am advising Vladimir Putin of Russian Forces, and his rediculous government that as of this speech, we will not trade any Russian products from Russian Forces, and we are also advising the global community in joining US in a coalition against Russian Forces, for their simple idiocy in world politics."

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NBC News Report: Austarian Military Training Exersises on the Austar Union/Russian Forces Border
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Residents in communities and towns near the Austarian - Russian Forces Border have reported an unusual increase of military exersises near the border. Some people are speculative of its links to the lately given speech by President Madison, but so far, military leaders have not given any answer as to if the two are linked.

Also, as if this wasnt slightly troubling enough, military leaders have been observed to be in meeting together.

People can only speculate that perhaps this means some form of defensive, or offensive manoever may be performed sometime soon, however nor the government or the military has given any comments on the subject.

OOC: Basically, this newsreport is just speculative, and doesnt nessasarily represent fact, so keep that in mind when posting any kind of response :)

We stand by the President's statement, and join Austar Union in condemning Russian Forces.

Here is a statement from the Shogun.

"Russian Forces' Alliance has little, (if any) influence over the world, as it cannot be taken seriously. The Alliance will have absolutely no effect on AMF, as these nations didn't even trade with them in the first place. We strongly condemn Russian Forces for this aggressive move, leaving much room for nothing short of a war. We also ask the world to act with caution in any interaction with Russian Forces as they cannot be trusted one bit."

We will join this coalition. As of now all imports from Russian Forces are being sent back and the current exports are the last we shall send.

As Nazguul has had good relations with Austar Union in the past, we will offer any assistance to the coalition should it be required.

Viktor Lazlo
High Chancellor Of The Unholy Republic

OOC: I see a world war coming...

That wouldn't surprise me, IF it breaks into war. Conflicts this large usually break down before a shot is fired. Summers here, people will be going away etc, there plenty of oppurtunities for it to collapse.

Hallad will join this coalition.

"Russian Forces' Alliance has little, (if any) influence over the world, as it cannot be taken seriously. The Alliance will have absolutely no effect on AMF, as these nations didn't even trade with them in the first place. We strongly condemn Russian Forces for this aggressive move, leaving much room for nothing short of a war. We also ask the world to act with caution in any interaction with Russian Forces as they cannot be trusted one bit."

We agree with our friends in Euroslavia word for word here, the actions of Russian Forces are nothing more then a poor attempt to goad Automagfreek. However, we don't see much reason to react to their actions, if they are trying to blockade trade from Automagfreek we may* seek to assist them against such blatant acts of war against their nation.

If, like we suspect, it's just a trade embargo then it will have no effort on the freeks and they can pretty much ignore it, I know we will.

Thanks,

Ambassidor Kayla Harmone, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps



* Assuming he doesn't ignore Russian Forces still.

A long time ago, My region, AoE2 Region, lead by Ur an Ass and Grunge-France and The Ur Trade Pact, were at war against the evil Imperium of Lord Melkor.
Automagfreak was there to help Ur an Ass´Region and Trade Partners against Lord Melkor... I think it is time for the AoE2 Region, home of Ur an Ass, to return the favor.

The AoE2 Region shall support any action taken against the Russian Forces.

OOC: I see a world war coming...(OOC: If there is one, it'll be about World War XI, I believe...)

Holy Panooly remains neutral on this issue.

We'll just stay out of it. We have no idea what this whole situation is about anyway.

OOC: I see a world war coming...

OOC: Actually, I doubt that it would even get that big, but it would be interesting if it did. Like I said though, doubtful...

[Yah, this'll be nothing like the wars that occured back when GDODAD was still alive.

*prays no n00kz are launched if the burners get hot*]

...we are also advising the global community in joining US in a coalition against Russian Forces, for their simple idiocy in world politics.
I presume this would be a military coalition? It seems hardly fit to take such grand military action against a case of "simple idiocy". (ooc: what am i missing?) Until RF takes aggressive military action against the state of Austar Union, the GDMO will remain neutral in the situation.

--LOWELL FENSTRICK, Deputy Minister of International Affairs

We would hope that this isn't a military coalition, afterall, such a coalition would only make sense if Automagfreek is having trouble with actual blockades (I'm not sure there are any yet) in which case a coalition would help the Freeks to break it.

But seeing as it's only a bunch of nations placing foolish trade embargoes on the Freeks we can't really see the point in doing much more then laughing at their pitiful attempts to damage the Automagfreek economy which is probably supported by their allies and not their enemies.

So basically put, we invite others to join us in this observation of what seems to be a poorly excuted plan.

thanks,

Ambassidor Kayla Harmone, Iuthian Diplomatic Corps

[OOC: Note that AU has gone to bed now, being an Aussie, so he will probably not reply for a while.]

Ralaad will join this coalition.

I will join this cause, pledge military support, and if others agree and help, will blockade all trade to and from Russian Forces. We understand this as an act of war and are willing to accept the consequences and wage war against Russian Forces. Our sizes are roughly equal, and I have heard he has not tactical skill, and I have also noted our technology to be extremely advanced in comparison.

Whoa there....whoa...

This is not a military coalition. We are not forcing any blockade of Russian Forces....yet, that is. This is no alliance. Its just a place to voice your opinion, and stand with other nations in condemning Russian Forces' foolish acts in the creation of his alliance. We need to let RF know that his actions are not tolerated.

Any sort of attack upon Austar Union or myself will be met upon with overwhelming force. This is my warning.

The Kingdom of Anschauwe and Brobarz condemns Russian Forces and offer the Austar Union its assistance.

Ither v.Kulmerland
state secretary for foreign affairs

The GDMO condemns any aggressive statements made by supporters of RF or AMF that could potentially lead to war. We find this just a pointless bit of political jockeying that should not be allowed to escalate. (i.e. Don't let this become another WWI)

--LOWELL FENSTRICK, Deputy Minister of International Affairs

Whoa there....whoa...

This is not a military coalition. We are not forcing any blockade of Russian Forces....yet, that is.

I didn't say anything about you guys blockading RF, it seems someone misunderstood my post saying how I'm not sure if Russian Forces and co are blockading or banning trade...

I didn't say anything about you guys blockading RF, it seems someone misunderstood my post saying how I'm not sure if Russian Forces and co are blockading or banning trade...

Technocracia is simply banning trade, any blockade would be a violation of our principles as anti-Imperialists. However, we can't speak for the other nations in the pact.

well stated again, we used that thread to just voice off our thoughs about AMF, maybe with a chance if we gather enough support, we might be able to change his horrific ways.If any blocade of RF happens, you can wait for Ruissian forces to knock at your door

Yibok continues to remain neutral, until actual evidence either way has been given

I didn't say anything about you guys blockading RF, it seems someone misunderstood my post saying how I'm not sure if Russian Forces and co are blockading or banning trade...


whoops, my bad...

well stated again, we used that thread to just voice off our thoughs about AMF, maybe with a chance if we gather enough support, we might be able to change his horrific ways.If any blocade of RF happens, you can wait for Ruissian forces to knock at your door


OOC: Well then, I'll make it look like nobody is home...



sorry, just had to make a clever comment to ease the tension, heh.

We of the Social Illennian Republic of Proletariat Comrades are uncertain about this turn of events and, until we know more, do not wish to side with either group. Is there anyone who would be willing to enlighten us as to the situation?

OOC: In case you didn't get it from the message, basically it's that I'm interested but have no idea what's going on...

http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=344782

To all nations who need clarification;

This is not intended to be an aggressive military manoever, and we will not commence a blockaid on Russian Forces. We will not be the acting aggressive force.

Of course, should Russian Forces and his allies choose to make the first move, we may consider further action, but any action that we take will only be a response from an aggressive manoever.

This message, and the gathering of support for the anti-Russian Forces side was simply intended to place diplomatic pressure upon the Russians and his allies to restrain from further action, because the Austar Union, and the members of this coalition will be willing to respond accordingly.

To all nations who need clarification;

This is not intended to be an aggressive military manoever, and we will not commence a blockaid on Russian Forces. We will not be the acting aggressive force.

Of course, should Russian Forces and his allies choose to make the first move, we may consider further action, but any action that we take will only be a response from an aggressive manoever.

This message, and the gathering of support for the anti-Russian Forces side was simply intended to place diplomatic pressure upon the Russians and his allies to restrain from further action, because the Austar Union, and the members of this coalition will be willing to respond accordingly.

YOU may not be interested in a blackade. Auto is has never attacked us, and in truth, has helped us in the past. The anti-AMF forces have also slandered my entire region, which I've been placed to protect. If they don't leave well enough alone, I may blockade Russian Forces. I know that, given the proper backing, I could. As I said, when all is said and done, my technology will help me beat him.

JJR, RF will most likely ignore you for using future tech.

If you did use modern tech, he, and I, would kick your ass.

You're not the only person with allies you know. Anyways, I use a different tech sets, modern, future, space, etc. I can just use a 2000-2020 tech set. Things like the ST-11's, some of my railgun/conventional tanks, battleships, etc. My Terracostes can work, just a matter of modification. Just straight jet engines would work. And I couldn't use the Tesla weapons of the PWC. Everything else would be fine. I would the Prism cannon to a Concentrated laser cannon.

You're not the only person with allies you know. Anyways, I use a different tech sets, modern, future, space, etc. I can just use a 2000-2020 tech set. Things like the ST-11's, some of my railgun/conventional tanks, battleships, etc. My Terracostes can work, just a matter of modification. Just straight jet engines would work. And I couldn't use the Tesla weapons of the PWC. Everything else would be fine. I would the Prism cannon to a Concentrated laser cannon.

OOC: I dont know how RF operates, but personally, I ignore people who try to cater their nation to different tech levels. Its just as much godmodding as say magically turning your guided missile cruisers into ASW ones, so you can fight an enemy with a large submarine force. Just to give an example.

OOC: I dont know how RF operates, but personally, I ignore people who try to cater their nation to different tech levels. Its just as much godmodding as say magically turning your guided missile cruisers into ASW ones, so you can fight an enemy with a large submarine force. Just to give an example.
OOC: Well, the problem is that there are a lot of different tech brackets. I like to roleplay in the near future tech bracket, but no one who fights wars much uses it.

OOC: Well, the problem is that there are a lot of different tech brackets. I like to roleplay in the near future tech bracket, but no one who fights wars much uses it.

OOC: You shouldnt be future if you want to fight with the moderns then.

OOC: You shouldnt be future if you want to fight with the moderns then.
OOC: I basically stick to modern, to tell you the truth. I just have a wider tech bracket. My only switch I do much is to space tech. I switch from the 2000-2300 bracket to the space tech bracket.

OOC: To clarify, if you are going to fight with technology JJR, please use modern tech, as this is a modern tech RP. Of course, you can develop your own weapons, using modern tech technology, but if your planning to use orbital weapons with lasers etc, it wont be recognised.

OOC: To clarify, if you are going to fight with technology JJR, please use modern tech, as this is a modern tech RP. Of course, you can develop your own weapons, using modern tech technology, but if your planning to use orbital weapons with lasers etc, it wont be recognised.
OOC: Orbitals weapons are ok, and lasers are ok, just not together, right? And yeah, I know this is the 2000-2015 mini-bracket. That's why I have railgun tanks and ST-11s.

OOC: Orbitals weapons are ok, and lasers are ok, just not together, right? And yeah, I know this is the 2000-2015 mini-bracket. That's why I have railgun tanks and ST-11s.

Railguns, lasers, and orbital weapons are hardly plausible by 2015. Thats 11 years, when as far as I know, none of them have any major combat systems being tested.

RF is good Whittier ally. Whittier will not condemn him and does not support your actions against him. He hasn't done anything to anyone.

Railguns, lasers, and orbital weapons are hardly plausible by 2015. Thats 11 years, when as far as I know, none of them have any major combat systems being tested.
OOC: Actually, and I know this because I've had long discussions with military engineers, railguns are lasers are being built, have been built, etc, in prospects of future weaponry. They have lasers that blast baseball-sized holes through cement walls.

OOC: Actually, and I know this because I've had long discussions with military engineers, railguns are lasers are being built, have been built, etc, in prospects of future weaponry. They have lasers that blast baseball-sized holes through cement walls.

As far as I have heard, lasers that can do real damage have huge energy supplies, and have a long recharge time.

Railguns have already been made afaik, but not in any type of combat system. Scramjet wont even be ready by 2015, and they are already wanking that to the public, and I honestly doubt Lasers or Railguns are further progressed then scramjet.

As far as I have heard, lasers that can do real damage have huge energy supplies, and have a long recharge time.

Railguns have already been made afaik, but not in any type of combat system. Scramjet wont even be ready by 2015, and they are already wanking that to the public, and I honestly doubt Lasers or Railguns are further progressed then scramjet.
OOC: Fine then. The 2000-2050 bracket. Be happy.

OOC: Actually, and I know this because I've had long discussions with military engineers, railguns are lasers are being built, have been built, etc, in prospects of future weaponry. They have lasers that blast baseball-sized holes through cement walls.

OOC: Well for the ease of RP, lets just keep things to the idea of things that are already released OK. Not just projects that are being developed, or things that will be developed.

OOC: Well for the ease of RP, lets just keep things to the idea of things that are already released OK. Not just projects that are being developed, or things that will be developed.
OOC: Ah. So we get no flexibility in Technological abilities even though we should be more technologically advance than most nations?

OOC: Ah. So we get no flexibility in Technological abilities even though we should be more technologically advance than most nations?

Near-future basically means making the most out of what is already created. Lasers, railguns are pretty much considered future tech.

Near-future basically means making the most out of what is already created. Lasers, railguns are pretty much considered future tech.
OOC: Yeah. Eh, sorry for beign annoying, it's just that it's 4:09 AM, and I'm wide awake because I didn't sleep yesterday, and fell asleep at pm, and woke up at 12. So I had a full night's sleep at 12, and can't sleep. And I'm starving, but we have really creaky stairs.

Russian Forces does not won't any enemies. As for you Austar Union, My forces strength is best in Europe where you lie so if you train your forces near my land, i'll put more troops to your border. However the Government of Russian Forces doesn't want to fight.

Blockading Russia will just merely ask us to sink every ship you have. The Russian military has never, ever been merciful to invaders. Our History has shown it all.

OCC: I play only with modern. Last tiem i played with future tech, i got orbital bombarded with space ships and of course... what could i do? Send ICBM's?

Russian Forces does not won't any enemies. As for you Austar Union, My forces strength is best in Europe where you lie so if you train your forces near my land, i'll put more troops to your border. However the Government of Russian Forces doesn't want to fight.

Blockading Russia will just merely ask us to sink every ship you have. The Russian military has never, ever been merciful to invaders. Our History has shown it all.

OCC: I play only with modern. Last tiem i played with future tech, i got orbital bombarded with space ships and of course... what could i do? Send ICBM's?
OOC: My orbital batteries just have missiles and lead poles covered in heat tiles. The poles get enough momentum to really hurt whatever they hit.

Russian Forces does not won't any enemies. As for you Austar Union, My forces strength is best in Europe where you lie so if you train your forces near my land, i'll put more troops to your border. However the Government of Russian Forces doesn't want to fight.

Blockading Russia will just merely ask us to sink every ship you have. The Russian military has never, ever been merciful to invaders. Our History has shown it all.

OCC: I play only with modern. Last tiem i played with future tech, i got orbital bombarded with space ships and of course... what could i do? Send ICBM's?

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Official Response From the Austar Union
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Military Branches of the Austar Union, its government, and its people reserve the right to have military training near the Russian Borders, as it is in fact Austar Union sovierign territory.

We will not comply with such requests to refrain from training, however we will comment that training manoevers are in no way shape or form related to the current world events, nor do they constitute an act of aggression toward Russian Forces.

Peter Falkner
Secretary of Defense

how about we'll withdraw more forces from your border and you can stop training your people who to kill Russians. That was there won't be a build up of military aggression.

OCC: I have spy sattelites and sattelites with nuclear weapons but of course i'll never use them.

how about we'll withdraw more forces from your border and you can stop training your people who to kill Russians. That was there won't be a build up of military aggression.

OCC: I have spy sattelites and sattelites with nuclear weapons but of course i'll never use them.
OOC: OOOOH. So now you have future tech? I think I'm going to ignore him too.

OOC: OOOOH. So now you have future tech? I think I'm going to ignore him too.
sats are modern tech. space ships are not.

sats are modern tech. space ships are not.
OOC: Now, but he has nuclear weapons on said sats. Which is the same as I have.

OCC: I wonder if Jangle knows we have sattelites orbiting our planet right now.

OOC: Now, but he has nuclear weapons on said sats. Which is the same as I have.
one moment let me recheck your post.

OCC: It can be done and is quite easy.

OOC: My orbital batteries just have missiles and lead poles covered in heat tiles. The poles get enough momentum to really hurt whatever they hit.
what do you mean by orbital battery?
Inertial Kinetic Energy weapons are being developed but some people might consider it to be future tech as there are no working models in the RL.
But there is a paper concept.

OCC: It can be done and is quite easy.
OOC: Then tell me how the targetting works. Laser targetting will bend, etc. in the atmosphere. And winds buffer missiles. Especially at a 90 degree angle.

you can sats with missiles, you just aren't going to have a whole bunch of them.
1. They extremly expensive
2. the cost of launching them is expensive
3. supplying and maintaining them is extremely expensive.

if you say they are self maintaining that would not only future tech but may border on god moding.

OOC: Then tell me how the targetting works. Laser targetting will bend, etc. in the atmosphere. And winds buffer missiles. Especially at a 90 degree angle.
over coming those makes them more expensive.

over coming those makes them more expensive.
OOC: I just want to see how he thinks that orbital batteries are modern tech and very simple.

OOC: I just want to see how he thinks that orbital batteries are modern tech and very simple.
I ask again, what do you mean by orbital battery?

Do you know how much the Pandora's Box system costs each NS year to maintain?

I ask again, what do you mean by orbital battery?
OOC: A sattelite that is used to launch weapons. Such as what he calls simple.

Do you know how much the Pandora's Box system costs each NS year to maintain?
OOC: Not really. Or what it is.

OOC: Not really. Or what it is.
Never really caculated it, but estimate is somewhere around 500 billion.
That's money not just from defense but from the education/science sector.

OOC: A sattelite that is used to launch weapons. Such as what he calls simple.
what type of weapons and how many?

what type of weapons and how many?
OOC: It isn't specific. A sattelite that is used to launch weapons becomes an Orbital Battery. Usually missiles, etc.

OOC: It isn't specific. A sattelite that is used to launch weapons becomes an Orbital Battery. Usually missiles, etc.
something like PB then

-tag- (Do i sense a nice big war brewing :))

OOC: Can we not discuss the differences between future and modern tech in this thread anymore please? Quit hijacking this thread, and create a new thread for your bickering. And this is the only warning you get, otherwise I call in a mod to force you out.

Official Statement from the Shogun of Euroslavia:

"The United Freedom Forces of Euroslavia support Austar Union's decision and right to train its troops within its territory, and no other nation has any right to order them around, especially Russian Forces. In case of a deepening of conflict, Euroslavia will dedicate its military forces to Austar Union's protection. We must stick by our friends in such a situation as this."

OOC: Can we not discuss the differences between future and modern tech in this thread anymore please? Quit hijacking this thread, and create a new thread for your bickering. And this is the only warning you get, otherwise I call in a mod to force you out.
OOC: We're done now, and nothing else was being posted. At least we helped bump it.

Official Statement from the Shogun of Euroslavia:

"The United Freedom Forces of Euroslavia support Austar Union's decision and right to train its troops within its territory, and no other nation has any right to order them around, especially Russian Forces. In case of a deepening of conflict, Euroslavia will dedicate its military forces to Austar Union's protection. We must stick by our friends in such a situation as this."

Response from the President of the Austar Union:

"We thank the Shogun of Euroslavia for their undamning support in all our endeavours, and would like to assure them that we have no intention for this to turn into a deepening conflict. Of course, we will not budge when it comes to protecting our very rights of a sovierign nation..."

Parthia hereby condemns Russian Forces for his blatant hostility and aggression towards AMF. We hereby declare Russian Forces to be on our black list of nations with whom we do not trade or allow our citizens to travel to.