NationStates Jolt Archive

Some months ago, Credonia ordered a custom design by the Freethinkers that would rival the Doujin class flagship if enough were constructed. This ship, which was to be called the Credonia Class flagship would cost trillions of dollars per ship. Promises were made to complete design and construction of the ship, however, months passed and still no word. Credonia contacted The Freethinkers and asked what the hold was and they promised a prompt and speedy delivery of the design. Two months more passed and still ther ehad been no delivery, no report, and no sign that the ship was even being worked on, and after trying to get in touch with the Freethinkers for quite some time, nothing was heard from them. Credonia is HIGHLY dissatisfied with the services provided by the Freethinkers, our former naval contractor.

Until The Freethinker delivers his part of the multi-trillion trillion dollar deal that we agreed upon, Credonia will boycot this nations services, No further pending actions will be taken at this time, however, the Credonian Continental Congress is considering placing embargo's on this nation as well until we recieve what we paid for, COMPLETE and in full.

OOC

Ripped off! :p :D

IC

We are shocked by this breach of contract by The Freethinkers and hope this commercial dispute can be resolved peacefully with our ally Credonia.

God bless

Ruthless Slaughter supports its ally with any action taken.

(OOC: *shrugs* It's your own fault Credonia... Good job, Freethinkers :p :D )

IC:

The Five Civilized Nations condemns the actions of the nation of Freethinkers in this breach of contract. We are willing to provide expert legal advice to the nation of Credonia and allow them to receive compensation for the breach by the nation of Freethinkers...

[Big fucking deal, Credonia. Freethinker is a college student and has other RL shit to deal with, this is all secondary. I've had a sub design on the back-burner for a couple of months while he catches up with other designs, you don't see me complaining about it. He has five designs to work on plus his own superdreadnaught, so the likelyhood that you're going to get priority over everyone else, including himself, is pretty much nil.]

OOC: Freethinkers is currently on vacation, he should be back tomorrow night. I should make a response as owner of Freethinker Defense Industry, but frankly - your nation boycotting naval vessels produced by DCORP/FDI doesn't really affect us at all. And it was discussed in an OOC manor, and technically no contract was drawn up nor agered to, therefor there was no breach of contract. I will make a post, actually.

Looking at our records, we see no breach of contract - as there was one never drawn up. Regrettably, the person that you may have contacted with your design request has been temporarily discharged due to an illness, and is unavailable for questioning at this moment in time. Doujinshi Corporation (http://www.gaizme.com/nationstates/index.php?name=PNphpBB2&file=index), speaking for it's subsidiary Freethinkers Defense Industry, would like to say that your 'boycott' does not affect us economically none the least. We still produce the best naval vessels in the world, and we will continue to do so to those who wish to have the highest quality vessels in their Navy.

This boycott is not to hurt FT economically. This boycott is to make known our frustrations.

OOC: SS, shove it. Ive speaken with him on MANY occasions about the design and he stalls every time.

This boycott is not to hurt FT economically. This boycott is to make known our frustrations.

OOC: SS, shove it. Ive speaken with him on MANY occasions about the design and he stalls every time.

The Boycott would never hurt Freethinkers economically, due to the fact that all employees get their paychecks from Doujinshi Corporation in Imperial Marks. We pay all Doujinshi Corporation employees get a check for 35,178.91 Imperial Marks - or 63,561.25 USD.

It has been decided Credonia will get a complete refund, simply contact us with the amount you supposedly paid and it will be returned promptly.

This boycott is not to hurt FT economically. This boycott is to make known our frustrations.

OOC: SS, shove it. Ive speaken with him on MANY occasions about the design and he stalls every time.


<sarcasm>Hey! you can't tell SS to shove it! He has anti-shove it armor, that's around 20 meters thick, of course that's the first hull too, he's got 5 other layers. You'll never be able to defeat him, so you should just roll over and accept defeat. </sarcasm>

<sarcasm>Hey! you can't tell SS to shove it! He has anti-shove it armor, that's around 20 meters thick, of course that's the first hull too, he's got 5 other layers. You'll never be able to defeat him, so you should just roll over and accept defeat. </sarcasm>


IC: Watch it little one. I'll squash you like a bug. (btw, i could defeat him. All he makes is naval ships. I depend on my ground forces, he depends on his navy (i presume). you can get around using naval forces to insert military equipment, so hes not immune to the wrath of the Credonian military.

OOC: not a threat ;-)

IC: Doujin, Credonia will wait until The Freethinkers can speak for himself. Perhaps he has our design still on the backburner which SS pointed out, but i think thats highly unlikely considering the fact that he said he had it. Secondly, ever since you cut relations, Credonia refuses to reopen any type of relations with your nation, and will continue to take a cold-neutral stance towards you.

Funny, you do business with my nation everytime you do attempt to do business with Freethinker Defense Industries -> Prime Design Warfare.

Funny, you do business with my nation everytime you do attempt to do business with Freethinker Defense Industries -> Prime Design Warfare.

Doujin i have TG you....

Funny, you do business with my nation everytime you do attempt to do business with Freethinker Defense Industries -> Prime Design Warfare.

OOC: Thast a damn hard piece to read, all those dos

IC: Perhaps Credonia does not wish to directly deal with Doujin?

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IC: Watch it little one. I'll squash you like a bug. (btw, i could defeat him. All he makes is naval ships. I depend on my ground forces, he depends on his navy (i presume). you can get around using naval forces to insert military equipment, so hes not immune to the wrath of the Credonian military.

[OOC: And he could impose a blockade on you that 1) would prevent supplies and equipment from getting to your army and they would run out of food and weaponry and without a naval presence, you would be powerless to stop and 2) would cut off imports and exports and basically starve your country to death. You will need to have some kind of naval presence to have a chance to beat Freethinkers. You can't brandish your army if they can't get there.]

OOC:

[OOC: ...You will need to have some kind of naval presence to have a chance to beat Freethinkers. You can't brandish your army if they can't get there.]

Lol. I've got this vision of a Credonian infantryman pointing an M-16 at a Doujin class and shouting "Stop"....Funny image. Well, it is to me.

(OOC: Not to mention the fact that there's several nations in Haven who would stand up against such invasion... The "wrath of Credonian military" is nothing compared to the wrath of the nations this kind of invasion would face. :))

(OOC: Not to mention the fact that there's several nations in Haven who would stand up against such invasion... The "wrath of Credonian military" is nothing compared to the wrath of the nations this kind of invasion would face. :))

[Indeed...]

I think you are all forgetting the fact theat there would be several nations willing to stand up for Credonia, in the end he would get his trroops through.

I think you are all forgetting the fact theat there would be several nations willing to stand up for Credonia, in the end he would get his trroops through.

Troops through where? Freethinker is balanced out with Navy/Army/Air Force I do believe, and I have other nations that take care of my Army and Air Force needs. And there are plenty of people who absolutely abhor Credonia, stopping him wouldn't be extremely hard. He's too full of himself, that's why I stopped talking to him and 'cut' relations too him.

Troops through where? Freethinker is balanced out with Navy/Army/Air Force I do believe, and I have other nations that take care of my Army and Air Force needs. And there are plenty of people who absolutely abhor Credonia, stopping him wouldn't be extremely hard. He's too full of himself.

People like me. His troops would not get through.

I think you are all forgetting the fact theat there would be several nations willing to stand up for Credonia, in the end he would get his trroops through.

[Actually, I doubt it. To even get into Haven requires going through either me and Edolia combine or TIS with support from the southern Haven nations. There are very few nations in Haven who are below the 2 billion mark and not a few that are above 3 billion.]

OOC: Lol. I've got this vision of a Credonian infantryman pointing an M-16 at a Doujin class and shouting "Stop"....Funny image. Well, it is to me.

[OOC: Somebody put an image of someone's navy trying to defend itself against a Doujin-class and that navy consisted of one soldier in a floating tire with a rifle cocked and ready to shoot. It was hilarious.]

[Actually, I doubt it. To even get into Haven requires going through either me and Edolia combine or TIS with support from the southern Haven nations. There are very few nations in Haven who are below the 2 billion mark and not a few that are above 3 billion.]


OOC: Well, Credonia better have a lot of allies then.

OOC: Credonia isnt going to war with Freethinkers. Sarzonia check TGs (last time promise).

OOC: Funny, never realised Credonia is in OMP.

OOC: Credonia isnt going to war with Freethinkers. Sarzonia check TGs (last time promise).

[OOC: Got it. Don't worry about the TGs. :)]

OOC: Funny, never realised Credonia is in OMP.

[OOC: I didn't think he was, but I could be wrong.

I'd have my OMP committments on one hand and Victoria Alliance (which Credonia is in) on the other hand. I'd have to stay neutral if there were a war.]

[OOC: I didn't think he was, but I could be wrong.

I'd have my OMP committments on one hand and Victoria Alliance (which Credonia is in) on the other hand. I'd have to stay neutral if there were a war.]

Originally, Credonia was in the Organization of Maritime Powers. However, due to the fact he never joined the forums I removed him.

Troops through where? Freethinker is balanced out with Navy/Army/Air Force I do believe, and I have other nations that take care of my Army and Air Force needs. And there are plenty of people who absolutely abhor Credonia, stopping him wouldn't be extremely hard. He's too full of himself, that's why I stopped talking to him and 'cut' relations too him.

I would help Credonia smack you down, if only to let the wind out of your sails.

Axis Nova

I would help Credonia smack you down, if only to let the wind out of your sails.

Axis Nova

And how far would you get? Not very. Trust me, threatening Doujin is NOT, i repeat NOT a good idea.

I would help Credonia smack you down, if only to let the wind out of your sails.

Axis Nova

should have said

I would help Credonia try to smack you down, if only to let the wind out of your sails.

Axis Nova

And how far would you get? Not very. Trust me, threatening Doujin is NOT, i repeat NOT a good idea.

What's he going to do? Sail his massive fleet across thousands of square kilometers of wasteland and up a mountain range?

I'm not afraid of Doujin for the simple reason that he can't touch me.

Axis Nova

What's he going to do? Sail his massive fleet across thousands of square kilometers of wasteland and up a mountain range?

I'm not afraid of Doujin for the simple reason that he can't touch me.

Axis Nova

Do you seriously want me to change that?

What's he going to do? Sail his massive fleet across thousands of square kilometers of wasteland and up a mountain range?

I'm not afraid of Doujin for the simple reason that he can't touch me.

Axis Nova

[In stating that you are incorrect, the Doujin class could turn you into Lake Axis Nova, although you'd be even more of a wasteland.]

RAWR! MY METAL PENIS WILL PENETRATE JOO!

Seriouly guys, quit it with the OOC threats, it's becoming a joke. Most of this thread is pointless because, as previouly stated, Freethinker is busy with real life issues, something which is more important then Nationstates and statwanking.

[In stating that you are incorrect, the Doujin class could turn you into Lake Axis Nova, although you'd be even more of a wasteland.]

It just so happens that mountains are excellent for putting ABM sites on. And Axis Nova of course has it's own orbital SDI network.

:D

Doujin can threaten me until his face turns blue if he wants, but the only way to get at Axis Nova is with aircraft (and not many have a range of 2000 kilometers from a carrier whilst carrying enough munitions to do any good) or with nukes.

And Axis Nova is well prepared for either eventuality.

Axis Nova

Some months ago, Credonia ordered a custom design by the Freethinkers that would rival the Doujin class flagship if enough were constructed. This ship, which was to be called the Credonia Class flagship would cost trillions of dollars per ship. Promises were made to complete design and construction of the ship, however, months passed and still no word. Credonia contacted The Freethinkers and asked what the hold was and they promised a prompt and speedy delivery of the design. Two months more passed and still ther ehad been no delivery, no report, and no sign that the ship was even being worked on, and after trying to get in touch with the Freethinkers for quite some time, nothing was heard from them. Credonia is HIGHLY dissatisfied with the services provided by the Freethinkers, our former naval contractor.

Until The Freethinker delivers his part of the multi-trillion trillion dollar deal that we agreed upon, Credonia will boycot this nations services, No further pending actions will be taken at this time, however, the Credonian Continental Congress is considering placing embargo's on this nation as well until we recieve what we paid for, COMPLETE and in full.


Don't blame you for being pissed. Any sanctions will be supported

Official Response - Doujinshi Corporation
It has been ordered that Freethinker Defense Industries make no contact with the nation of Credonia. Doujinshi Corporation has tracked down the man that handled Credonia's case, and instructed him he is to have no further contact with the nation. Prime Design Warfare, the division responsible for custom designed ships, has also been instructed so.

Doujinshi Corporation does not look kindly on demands from anyone. We are not obligated to provide our services and vessels, no one signs a contract with us. We have a unique way of running our business and it has proved to be successful thus far.

This will be the last official response from Doujinshi Corporation and her subsidiaries Freethinker Defense Industries, Prime Design Warfare, Navarre Shipyards, and any unnamed subsidiary or division of FDI / DCORP.

Doujinshi Corporation, Board of Directors.

OOC: Credonia, this is the official response. You are not getting a CVBN, partly because of this. Jim got overwhelmed by work and kinda forgot about your CVBN, and then you go and pull this. What you all need to realise is that even though he says he will try to do it, the plans, stats, and whatnot take many hours - days in the case of the Doujin - to do. Everything has to be placed realistically, and in the best possible position. Jim's real life holds precedent over NationStates, and he does have to place certain limits on what he can do.

To assume that you can demand from him this ship is not only very annoying, but it basically convinced him not to do anything for you again. If you, or anyone else for that matter, threaten to send troops or ships not only will Doujin stand up for his defense, so will Scandavian States, Edolia, The Island States, Hattia, etc etc.

And I'd like to kindly remind AN that you have no coast, and therefor has no Navy and really can't do jack to threaten me or Freethinkers.


One last note - this is the official response from Freethinkers, of course made by me.

OOC: Credonia, this is the official response. You are not getting a CVBN, partly because of this. Jim got overwhelmed by work and kinda forgot about your CVBN, and then you go and pull this. What you all need to realise is that even though he says he will try to do it, the plans, stats, and whatnot take many hours - days in the case of the Doujin - to do. Everything has to be placed realistically, and in the best possible position. Jim's real life holds precedent over NationStates, and he does have to place certain limits on what he can do.

[OOC: I've been IC neutral and (for the most part) OOC neutral as well because I can see the arguments of both sides to a certain extent. However, that extent is fairly limited. I seriously doubt that Freethinkers maliciously intended to deprive Credonia of a ship, but creating this thread certainly could give him plenty of motive to do so.

We have no way of knowing how much someone's real life affects their ability to do anything unless we somehow become that person. I had an inkling that Freethinkers was swamped when I asked him to design a Doujin rival a while back and he told me I was his fourth request. Thus, I didn't push him any further.

Credonia, I think what you're doing is burning bridges. Possibly both IC and OOC. Just an observation.]

1. What type of warship SHOULD the Credonia class be?

2. To Credonia- why not take the design of the flagship from Freethinkers and then build it yourself?

3. Have you considered that Freethinkers may of changed his mind?

I really hate having to advise Credonia, a nation that I'm not really fond off, about how to procure a warship but making an international issue of this is sort well, cry-baby-like.

OOC: My last response was because Freethinker had asked for it to be made. He has no interest in replying himself.

2. To Credonia- why not take the design of the flagship from Freethinkers and then build it yourself?


Because that would spark a large war with a coalition larger than Credonia could possibly handle against him. Not only that, it is extremely low and cheap. And use of the picture itself will result in possible legal action. I've already had Lycos remove two websites that had the picture on it etc.

If he already paid for it, then he is entitled to either the goods or a full refund.

If Freethinkers are going to keep his money and not give him what he paid for, then they are nothing more than thieves.

Axis Nova State Department

If he already paid for it, then he is entitled to either the goods or a full refund.

If Freethinkers are going to keep his money and not give him what he paid for, then they are nothing more than thieves.

Axis Nova State Department

Doujinshi Corporation offered him a refund, and he shrugged it off. Therefor, Doujinshi Corporation will be keeping any funds given to Prime Design Warfare, a division of Freethinker Defense Industries.

Doujinshi Corporation offered him a refund, and he shrugged it off. Therefor, Doujinshi Corporation will be keeping any funds given to Prime Design Warfare, a division of Freethinker Defense Industries.

Ah, he waived it. In that case, carry on.

Axis Nova