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Since the Other thread was too full of Occ crap, this thread will be the official place for the trial. If everyone involved in the case of Ruthless Slaughter vs. State (if anyone has a better title let me know) could just post below here we can get started.

The NWV Government would like to send its Supreme Justice (Noam Chomsky Jr.) to act as one of the panel of Judges. The Justice Department of the Interior Ministry has also agreed to this.

Occ: this should really go in the other thread.

Ic: Unless a judge does not show up before the time the trial is schedualed to take place, then we will not need your services. But just in case, you may be called on by the court to act as a judge.

Vendi's judicial representative, David Gardener has arrived at th trial site and is ready for the tribunals to commence.

Yours In Cooperation,
Nigel Rightly
Prime Minister of Vendi

A black armored limo pulled into the parking lot of the Great Hall. Out of it stepped the defence attorney, Mr. Anderson. He made ihs way inside and took his seat.

Dressed in a dark blue suit, with a pale blue shirt on, Attorney General, Paul Mitchel was reading through some papers in the Great Hall. This being his first international case, he was somewhat nervous.

The doors inside the Great Hall suddenly opened and a man walked in and sat where the defense would sit. This man obviously was his opponent. "He doesn't look so tough," Paul thought to himself while trying to remain inconsicuous by peering over his documents.

A jet black Blackhawk helicopter with a gold eagle symbol landed on the roof. Out stepped President R.L. XX of Ruthless Slaughter to speak on his people's behalf. Wearing his trademark all-black suit, he looked determined and ready for anything.

Suddenly, R.L. stood up and adressed the man in the blue suit who just walked in,"Ah, so you're my prosecuter?" His tone was an icy calm that sent a chill through the room. The question was more of a polite greeting than an inquiry.

Anderson, like the majority of his countrymen, was very large and muscular, and didn't have much in the way of feelings. He had been a highly decorated marine before becoming a lawyer, and had seen much combat. He was wearing sunglasess and a black suit.
Pathetic excuse for a living thing, he thought to himself while eyeing his openent.

The room was decorated with the flags of all the CAD memebers, and he looked at his flag. May I serve you well today. he thought to himself.

Occ: The defense can go first if they would like.

Ic:"Yes, and you are the defense attorny, or are you the defendant?" Paul replied, barely looking up from his papers long enough to get a good look at the man's face.

"Well, anyway, this is my defense attorney from Doomingsland, Mr. Anderson. Mr. Anderson, I believe we have someone from the opposition to make comfortable. Tell me, is there anything you need, cigar, scotch, a comfy chair? We of C A D like keep our guests, no matter what their intentions, as comfortable as possible. Or would you prefer we get this trial underway." More of a suggestion than a question.

OOC:Actually, it would make more sense if you started, stating the accusations first.

Paul Mitchel, annoyed at this man's presence, looked up from his paper's and cooly replied:

"No thank you."

With that Paul began to read through his papers once more. "I lost my place," he thought to himself, and with a sigh he began to re-read the entire page again.

OOC:Actually, it would make more sense if you started, stating the accusations first.
I agree.

OOC:I just finished typing my opening statment, waiting for you to post.

R.L.:I see you don't like conversing with your opponent. Very well, I have to review my defense anyway.
Little did anyone know that his mind was far from here. It was in the Generic Empire. He was worried about the Black Ops he had sent in to help overthrow the communists and regain order. "If any thing should happen to them I would'n't be able to stand myself," he thought.

Occ: Alright but im not quite ready yet, still got some typing to do so it may be a while, unless you just want me to state the charges.

OOC:Just state the charges.

as the opening statements are said, the Krotonian lawyer, Ms. C.N. VonHoyt listens intently... because the fate of her client- The Empire of Hataria- could be in limbo, depending on this case.

occ: sorry, Im almost finished writing my case.

Edit:here it is, I hope this is how you wanted to roleplay it out.

Ic:

Members of the court. We are here today because of the actions taken by this man during the Hatarian War. Now your honors, the nation of Ruthless Slaughter entered this conflict unprovoked. There was no attack on any Ruthless Slaughter assets. There were no threats made by Hataria towards the defendant. No one nation called for the support of the defendant, so why did he send his troops in to fight a war that was not his own? He did it to ignorantly throw weapons of mass destruction around like there was nothing wrong with it.

Your Honors, the defendant is currently being charged with only three counts of using a nuclear weapon, but I believe I have found proof that he used not three, but six nuclear weapons. This is why the prosecution has raised the charges to the use of six nuclear weapons.

In my case I will give the court evidence that refers to the use of six nuclear weapons.
My first piece of evidence is the initial army used to combat the allied forces during the invasion of Hataria. Please not that the Death Buster Troop Carrier Subs have been taken out fore they were not a real item, just a propaganda technique.

Hatarian Army

60,000 Stormtroopers
20,000 Swordsmen
40,000 Horsemen with AK-47s
9,000 Tanks
20,000 War Mastdons

Hatarian Navy

23 Neherenia Class Battle ships
10 Missouri Class Battleships (Flagship HSS Missouri)
10 King Tut Class Aircarft Cariers
2,000 PT Boats
23 Sea Wolf Class Subs

Hatarian Air Force

200 MiG-29's
200 MiG-28's
400 Sivik Death Fighters
23 B-52
tons of Cruise Missles
23 IBCM Silos Nationwide


Please also note that some of these numbers were enlarged by Hataria to make the allies believe they were more numerous than they actually were. Real numbers could not be obtained due to lack of proper communication with the Hatarian government.

As you can see there is little to no need to use any weapons of mass destruction against even these enlarged number of forces. With the amount of nations allied against Hataria they could have easily defeated their troops with conventional weapons.

I submit my next pieces of evidence to the court.
Posted: 7/26/2004 5:44 PM
By Ruthless Slaughter

Why not? I'll join Whittier. It's been a while sinse I had a good n00b bashing.
Ruthless Slaughter launches 3 LGM-30 Minuteman ICBMs at Hataria's capital building. Hope you like your leader to double as a night light!

As you can see in this quote sent to the Whittier command, the defendant makes a clear statement concerning Hataria’s leader and him becoming a nightlight. As almost everyone with a high school diploma knows, if something has been exposed to radioactive material it will glow in the dark. The three missiles therefore are believed to contain a nuclear warhead.

Posted: 7/26/2004 6:00 PM
By Ruthless Slaughter

Well, the bombing run ended, I'll launch 3 more LGM-30's at your military structures this time. Pretty soon you'll be able to see the glow-in-the-dark nation from my space stations!


In this statement sent to the allies, the defendant launches three more missiles and makes the statement, “Pretty soon you’ll be able to see the glow-in-the-dark nation from my space stations.” Now are we not supposed to believe that these three missiles had nuclear warheads?

7/26/2004 8:31 PM
By Ruthless Slaughter

After 6 ICBMs, the capital city is a nuclear parking lot. I really couldn't care less if I get a piece of Hataria or not, and my air force is currently eradicating any resistance. What's not doing that is doing combat air patrols around allied base camps. I'm just gald I was able to test out my new hardware on a n00b.

In yet another statement sent to the allies, the defendant makes another statement, which has been underlined about Hataria’s capital city being a nuclear parking lot. He also uses the number of six ICBM’s not three.

7/27/2004 4:39 PM
By Ruthless Slaughter

Well for one thing, no one COULD set foot on Hatarian soil because they would die in seconds. And besides, why land people when you've BEEN defeated for a few RL days now, and high altitude airstrikes could finish off the charred remnants of whatever is left on this now godforsaken pile of radioactive dust and ash. If this were real, you would have been incinerated from my first missile strike, which, PS, was on your capital building. Obviously your beaten, yet you still persist in claiming you have WMDs, which I ironically nuked after your first use of them. I now see that any further stay is a waste of time and troops. "Attention all RS forces! Pack up, we're headed home!"

In this last statement made by the defendant, he claims “Obviously you’re beaten, yet you still persist in claiming you have WMD’s, which I ironically nuked after your first use of them. In another part of the statement he refers to his first missile attack, which would have been the attack on the Hatarian capital in which he launched three missiles. Yet he still claims that he “nuked” Hataria’s weapons of mass destruction. How is this possible? It isn’t unless he used the three missiles from the second statement to attack the missile silos.

David Gardener sat in his spot at the head of the court. He surveyed the looks exchanged by the litigators and knew this trial would be one full of animosity. The air in the hall hung liek the thick smoke on a battlefield and David knew that a battlefield is what this would turn into if he didn't do his job.

Late as ever, and refused permission to joint oversee the case, a very angry Chief Justice Noam Chomsky Junior arrived in an adapted for VIP use UH-60 Blackhawk and touched down in The Capitol City of Canan. The Black Armored Limosuine and several NWV Special Agents on Motorbikes were waiting. With that Noam Chomsky Jr. hopped into the limosuine and gave the go ahead for his personal chaffeur to drive in the direction of the Supreme Court.

5 Minutes Later

A flustered Noam Chomsky Jr. entered the VIP Spectators box, and began taking notes for the Justice Department back in NWV.

Tag

The Court erupted into laughter at the words of the prosecutor.

Death Buster Troop Carrier Subs have been taken out fore they were not a real item, just a propaganda technique.

"Firstly, I would like to welcome the members of the panel to our great region. Here in CAD, we treat all of our guests with utmost hospitality, no matter what their intentions." he said looking at the prosecutor. "Your honors, today you try an entire nation for a crime- or so you call it. The launching of the weapons occured after Hataria launched their own WMD attacks, and hould be considered a retaliatory strike. A retaliation against MILITARY targets. The civilian casualties where but collateral damage, and not the fualt of my client." he said, his tone having no emotion to it whatsoever.

Occ: NWV, you're in the wrong city. This is taking place in the Great Hall of an alliance called C.A.D.

People of the court, it is true, these litigations, however three of the nuclear missiles were retalitory. Hataria fired a barrage of nuclear and EM missiles at my country. All but two were shot down. The nuke hit a suburban neighborhood, killing thousands, the EM hit in an industrial park, leveling it and taking out power in the next twenty cities. My motives were this: I believed Whittier's reasons for invading to be justifiable, and wished to aid him. Back to the missiles, I fired them at his silos to prevent another attack on my people. This was early on, soon after I joined. But I believe the bulk of this was covered by my attorney.

Occ: NWV, you're in the wrong city. This is taking place in the Great Hall of an alliance called C.A.D.
ROFLAMAO

People of the court, it is true, these litigations, however three of the nuclear missiles were retalitory. Hataria fired a barrage of nuclear and EM missiles at my country. All but two were shot down. The nuke hit a suburban neighborhood, killing thousands, the EM hit in an industrial park, leveling it and taking out power in the next twenty cities. My motives were this: I believed Whittier's reasons for invading to be justifiable, and wished to aid him. Back to the missiles, I fired them at his silos to prevent another attack on my people. This was early on, soon after I joined. But I believe the bulk of this was covered by my attorney.


Enough of that RS, this case is being tried by your lawyer, not by yourself. In the future I would advise you to get your case straight prior to such proceedings. It is not the fault of the court that your lawyer doesnt cover your entire case, and not just 'the bulk' of it.

So if you would kindly drop the charges to three nukes, I would be very grateful.

So, doomingsland, you finished? or are you waiting on me to reply? or what?

OOC:Yeah, I'm done, reply.

So if you would kindly drop the charges to three nukes, I would be very grateful.

RS you will address this council with respect! the charges will remain untill we see fit to drop them, Or overwise deal with them!

Prosicuter please continue

Occ: NWV, you're in the wrong city. This is taking place in the Great Hall of an alliance called C.A.D.

Realising he was in the wrong court, and thinking his day couldn't get any worse - Noam Chomsky Jr. realised that the court he had entered was really a brothel. He exited the brothel and then realised papparazi were outside. 'Damn!' he thought, and quickly exited to the safety of his Limo and then back to the Heliport and onto The Court of C.A.D.

1 Hour Later

Now really Pissed off, Noam Chomsky Jr. found his way into the *real* court and began taking notes.

My apologies, Your Honors, my mind was, elsewhere... I will focus on the current issue. It's just that I'm trying to help out a country in civil war, but that's not why we're here. Once again I apologize for interruping, and will consult my lawyer before speaking.
OOC:Doomingsland, we'll coordinate via TG.

um Ive presented all of my facts, so what do you want? My closing? Or I can retract my statement to the opening statement and go from there.

errr, if that's it, then yes.

um Ive presented all of my facts, so what do you want? My closing?

OCC: just say Prosicution rests and we will move on to the defense

Your honors, that is all I have, the prosecution rests.

um Ive presented all of my facts, so what do you want? My closing? Or I can retract my statement to the opening statement and go from there.

If the prosecutor rests his case then the defense will be aloud to finish his and then we will hear closing arguments.

OOC:Hold on, got to type my thing...

*clears throat* May I speak freely, Your Honors?

"My client wishes the charges to be dropped to three nukes, as the other were launched in retaliation of Hataria for the launch of WMDs, two of which caused major damage on the affected areas."

Lord Henry Harriman,Senior justice of Farflung having arrived ,queitly
and with solem dignity takes his place.

"My client wishes the charges to be dropped to three nukes, as the other were launched in retaliation of Hataria for the launch of WMDs, two of which caused major damage on the affected areas."

The Trial will procide. give your case or rest it

Paul stands up quickly and says,

"Your honors if I may, I am not arguing that Hataria launched a first strike a
against the defendant, but that is not what we are holding this trial for. This trial is to bring the users of weapons of mass destruction to justice."

*clears throat* May I speak freely, Your Honors?

Yes, you may.

And on the matter of dropping th charges, I hope you haved conferred with your client, counsel. He should realize that dropping the added charges will be a detriment to him and not a help. If your client is in agreement, then my vote is cast to allow this. But since two of the supposed seven judges have spoken in this case, this may take a while.

OOC:RS is offline now.

"The defence rests its case."

Suddenly Noam Chomsky Jr. Begins hurling abuse at Vendi.

"You utter moron!" He exclaims

"You cannot govern this trial, you were not even involved in the War, you are a moron and a fool. Your justice system is nothing compared to NWV's, you wait you bastard, I'm going to chop your balls off! You just fucking well wait! It was a NWV that should have been included. Yet you passed us off, like an old webcam! You just wait. Oh what security? Here they come, to escort me away, you ugly bastard security guards!"

The court looks perplexed, some start laughing.

OOC:RS is offline now.

OCC: Something tells me this is going to be a long night

OOC:Yup.

yeah, how about the motion for them to lower the charges? are you going to allow it?


Oh, and how did you guys like my presentation?

Paul stands up quickly and says,

"Your honors if I may, I am not arguing that Hataria launched a first strike a
against the defendant, but that is not what we are holding this trial for. This trial is to bring the users of weapons of mass destruction to justice."


The court would ask why we are not trying the two nations on the same docket. And in fairness prosecutor, there are no laws against weapons of mass destruction. Correct me if I am wrong, but this case seems to be about the unneeded use of WMD, not use of them.

OOC:Me and RS came up with the motion dropping via TG, he'll allow it.

Your Honor, with all due respect, is there ever a case in which weapons of mass destruction should be used?

"Indeed, Your Honors, there is no law against the use of WMDs, so why is a trial even taking place? If there's no law against the use of nuclear weapons, then there is infact no crime. Note the prosecution states that RS is accused of using nuclear weapons. How can you convict him if there was no crime?"

Your Honor, with all due respect, is there ever a case in which weapons of mass destruction should be used?

No, there is not. However, the purpose of this trial is not to debate the use of WMD, it is to hold accountable those who use them frivorously.

On the matter of dropping the charges to three nuclear weapons, I'll allow it.

And using six nuclear warheads, three of which hit the capital is not frivorous?

"Indeed, Your Honors, there is no law against the use of WMDs, so why is a trial even taking place? If there's no law against the use of nuclear weapons, then there is infact no crime. Note the prosecution states that RS is accused of using nuclear weapons. How can you convict him if there was no crime?"

I am afraid he is right! there is no law against useing them. However for the amout of civilain deaths which were caused by the weapons the charge of war crimes still stands.

ooc: very well presented
IC: Lord Harriman stands : It is true there is no law against using the weapons mentioned,However Thier use against a primarily civilian target first in stead of
against a military one .constitutes premeditated murder for its own sake rather than to achieve a military goal. in such little different than if the denefendant had walked up and shot these people one by one.

Your Honors, if I could find evidence that the defendant ordered the first strike, would the charge be raised to six?

"That is not what this case is about. The charges are the use of weapons of mass destruction, not genocide."

"Indeed, Your Honors, there is no law against the use of WMDs, so why is a trial even taking place? If there's no law against the use of nuclear weapons, then there is infact no crime. Note the prosecution states that RS is accused of using nuclear weapons. How can you convict him if there was no crime?"

There is a crime counsel, that is a war crime. Your client was asked help from no one and joined the fight just for, and I quote "n00b bashing". There would be no trial if all other actions of conventional warefare were exhausted, however as the case as been presented to me, they were not.

Lord Harriman continues : In may judgement i say only warcrime or not the defendant is guilty of mass murder on a most horrible scale.
Lord Harriman regains his seat.

OCC: Acctualy i think I'll make this IC

IC: this is a "War crimes tribunal" and i belive genocide comes under the catigory of war crime.

wow... a friendly tag/bump/thing

Lord Harriman continues : In may judgement i say only warcrime or not the defendant is guilty of mass murder on a most horrible scale.
Lord Harriman regains his seat.

That is irrelevent. The charge brought against my client is the use of weapons of mass destruction, not mass murder.

"That is not what this case is about. The charges are the use of weapons of mass destruction, not genocide."


You're right counsel, however in my opinion they are the same. Especially, in these circumstances. Your client stepped in and lobbed WMD at a nation already under seige. Your nation by no means had to use WMD to end the war and didnt have to use them in the first place.

That is irrelevent. The charge brought against my client is the use of weapons of mass destruction, not mass murder.


Counsel, consider yourself warned. The judges will decide what is relevant and we will also decide the case under the given charges. Disrespect this court again and you will find yourself in contempt.

That is irrelevent. The charge brought against my client is the use of weapons of mass destruction, not mass murder.

except in this case the weapons of mass destruction were dilliberatly aimed at civilain targets. Were they not?

You're right counsel, however in my opinion they are the same. Especially, in these circumstances. Your client stepped in and lobbed WMD at a nation already under seige. Your nation by no means had to use WMD to end the war and didnt have to use them in the first place.

There were no charges brought against my client accusing him of that. Therefore, he cannot be convicted in this court of what you say.

OOC:Translation, if you want to accuse him of genecide, your gonna have to start another trial. The procecutor screwed up.

Lord Harriman looks the defense counsel.
"sir the court not you will decide what is relevant."
"It is my motion , That the charge of mass murder be added"

Lord Harriman looks the defense counsel.
"sir the court not you will decide what is relevant."
"It is my motion , That the charge of mass murder be added"

OOC:You can't add a charge in the middle of the trial.

"Your Honors," Paul says while almost jumping from his seat, "I have found proof that there was no first strike by Hataria on the nation of Ruthless Slaughter. If you all will look at post number 32 of the documents you all were given called "War on Hataria". There you will find that indeed Hataria launched a first strike, but it was not on the defendant, it was on Whittier, the nation who began the war.

Then if you will please look at post number 58, the defendant just begins to join the conflict. This proves that there was no first strike on Ruthless Slaughter by Hataria, the defendant entered the war on his own, with out being attacked.

While this does not help my case for the charges to be raised to six accounts, it does show that the defendant launched a first strike against Hataria, and targeted an area heavily populated with civilians."

Paul looked over at his aids who had found the information and smiled as he sat back down.

"Your Honors," Paul says while almost jumping from his seat, "I have found proof that there was no first strike by Hataria on the nation of Ruthless Slaughter. If you all will look at post number 32 of the documents you all were given called "War on Hataria". There you will find that indeed Hataria launched a first strike, but it was not on the defendant, it was on Whittier, the nation who began the war.

Then if you will please look at post number 58, the defendant just begins to join the conflict. This proves that there was no first strike on Ruthless Slaughter by Hataria, the defendant entered the war on his own, with out being attacked.

While this does not help my case for the charges to be raised to six accounts, it does show that the defendant launched a first strike against Hataria, and targeted an area heavily populated with civilians."

Paul looked over at his aids who had found the information and smiled as he sat back down.


OOC:We already knew that.

"
While this does not help my case for the charges to be raised to six accounts, it does show that the defendant launched a first strike against Hataria, and targeted an area heavily populated with civilians."
.

Is this true?

OOC:You can't add a charge in the middle of the trial. Can you please attempt to use proper grammer, that first sentence made no sence whatsoever.
OOC :sorry a bit tired,my typing isn't at its best.
Since no bothered to specify whats rules of justice we are using ,
I couldn't know this.

"Your honors, why begin another trial? If it so pleases the court I will drop all previous charges if the defendant is charged with attempted genocide." Paul said this while eying the defense attorney.

OOC :sorry a bit tired,my typing isn't at its best.
Since no bothered to specify whats rules of justice we are using ,
I couldn't know this.
No problem.

"Your honors, why begin another trial? If it so pleases the court I will drop all previous charges if the defendant is charged with attempted genocide." Paul said this while eying the defense attorney.

OOC:I don't think that's legal. You actualy have to make a new trial to do that.

occ: falling behind a little

Ic: "If the defense already knew that Hataria did not launch a first strike on Ruthless Slaughter, then why did they make a statement saying that they only launched a retaliatory strike?"

Hataria launched the nukes against one of the allies, so RS defended him.

OOC:I don't think that's legal. You actualy have to make a new trial to do that.

Well you would probably know more about it than me. And If we do have to have another trial, I will submit pretty much the same evidence as I did in this one. Unless I turn up something else.

OOC:Well, we're gonna have to do that to make it legal. We'll scedule the next trial for tommorow, that is, if RS actualy decides to go to court on that.

Well you would probably know more about it than me. And If we do have to have another trial, I will submit pretty much the same evidence as I did in this one. Unless I turn up something else.
OOC:I think your gonna have to drop the nuke charges, you had a good case, but you accused him of the wrong thing.

"Ruthless Slaughter defended people who were attacked before he entered the war? Now I don't know a whole lot about the military, but isnt that a little rediculous? Defending a nation, who has no ties to the defendant by launching three missiles with nuclear warheads at a target with a large civilian population?"

OOC:I think your gonna have to drop the nuke charges, you had a good case, but you accused him of the wrong thing.

OCC: only the prosicutor may drop charges

"Ruthless Slaughter defended people who were attacked before he entered the war? Now I don't know a whole lot about the military, but isnt that a little rediculous? Defending a nation, who has no ties to the defendant by launching three missiles with nuclear warheads at a target with a large civilian population?"
The target also had large amounts of military personel. RS was just defending somone he saw as a potential ally.

OCC: only the prosicutor may drop charges
OOC:That's who I was talking to.

give me a bit, ima try and look something up. Doomings land, is there a document that says that I have to drop the charges and call for a new trial?

give me a bit, ima try and look something up. Doomings land, is there a document that says that I have to drop the charges and call for a new trial?
Watch one of those court show's and you'll see.

Occ: Doomingsland, motion for a mistrial

mistrial
n. the termination of a trial before its normal conclusion because of a procedural error, statements by a witness, judge or attorney which prejudice a jury, a deadlock by a jury without reaching a verdict after lengthy deliberation (a "hung" jury), or the failure to complete a trial within the time set by the court. When such situations arise, the judge, either on his own initiative or upon the motion (request) of one of the parties will "declare a mistrial," dismiss the jury if there is one and direct that the lawsuit or criminal prosecution be set for trial again, starting from the beginning.

Occ: Doomingsland, motion for a mistrial

mistrial
n. the termination of a trial before its normal conclusion because of a procedural error, statements by a witness, judge or attorney which prejudice a jury, a deadlock by a jury without reaching a verdict after lengthy deliberation (a "hung" jury), or the failure to complete a trial within the time set by the court. When such situations arise, the judge, either on his own initiative or upon the motion (request) of one of the parties will "declare a mistrial," dismiss the jury if there is one and direct that the lawsuit or criminal prosecution be set for trial again, starting from the beginning.


Approved! This court will reconvene tomorrow at the time of the defendants choice.

OOC: Well, technically it IS another trial. We're gonna have to ask RS about this, I already TGed him a SitRep.

OOC:I'm done for tonight, cya guys.

Dangit, I guesse I should have had everything typed out before the thing started.

OOC:I'm done for tonight, cya guys.

OOC: Pick a time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

canan you should have a TG from me soon!!!

I suggest we reconvene at 7PM eastern tomorrow. Until then, I will reevaluate my case and review it.

except in this case the weapons of mass destruction were dilliberatly aimed at civilain targets. Were they not?

If I may speak freely, though the capital was civilian, I believe it would have defenses and a large garrison, considering it was wartime, there would be a considerable military buildup waiting for the armies that may I point out, were advancing. The civilians were a tragic loss, to be sure, but I'm willing to bet that Hataria would want his people out of harm's way and began evacuation of key places. Therefore it is safe to assume there were more soldiers than civilians inside that city. (this will be my opening statement for tomorrow)

True, but...ah, ill wait until tomorrow, maybe then Whittier can help me out.

I just want to point out that Hataria used his civilians as soldiers.

but not while R.S. nuked his capital.

*BUMP*

OOC :sorry a bit tired,my typing isn't at its best.
Since no bothered to specify whats rules of justice we are using ,
I couldn't know this.
OOC: INternational law is different from domestic law. You can include the charge which was what he was originally supposed to be charged with.

So you are saying that it wasn't a mistrial?

So you are saying that it wasn't a mistrial?
OOC: I would have to check actual international law documents, but I was saying you can't try this the same way you would a regular criminal case.

I will look up the laws. They should be of help.
Also, in Nicolas the Great's case, there is a binding law against the use of WMD's. All nations who join the WHittier pact also agree to abide by the Whittier Convention which effectively bans the use of WMDs.

All nations who join the WHittier pact also agree to abide by the Whittier Convention which effectively bans the use of WMDs.

Actually:

We declare the right of all nations to acquire WMD's and affirm their right to use all means necessary for self defense including nuclear weapons.

The Whittier Pact reaffirms the right of first strike as regards the use nuclear weapons. We reserve the right to go to war over the slightest threats to our common national securities.

From Acts 3 & 5 of The Whittier Pact Charter.

Definitions of War Crimes:
http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=6671162&posted=1#post6671162

Whittier proposes the following charges against the leader of Ruthless Slaughter and his immediate subordinates:

1. The unneccessary use of nuclear weapons.
2. Indescriminate attacks with total disregard for civilian life.
3. Carpet bombing.
4. Nonproportional use of force.
5. Targeting of Hospitals and other safe zones.
6. Violation of the immunity of protected groups.
7. Wanton destruction of civilian property.

You took the words right out of my fingers.

Ill probably be up all night writing up my case. lol

The Whittier Convention on the Execution of War and the Treatment of Prisoners of War.

Whittier drafts this treaty with the purpose of:
1. Preventing unnecessary suffering.
2. Encourage reciprocity.
3. Facilitate a quicker restoration of peace for all conflicts.
4. Foster high discipline and moral among national troops.
5. To distinguish between combatants and noncombatants.
6. To prevent people from going psycho when they leave the armed forces of Whittier, and going killing sprees.

All military attacks must have a military necessity. The commanders choosing the target must have a legitimate reason for attacking that target.
Commanders are directly responsible to the international community for preventing unnecessary suffering, and ensuring return fire is proportional.
Commanders and soldiers of all nations must avoid incidental injury and collataral damage and excessive suffering.
Units may not discriminate in treatment of civilians or POWs.
Any civilian who is passive is a noncombatant. Any civilian that picks up a weapon and starts firing it at troops becomes a combatant.

All nations engaged in war must have:
A responsible command structure.
Fixed recognizable signs (identifying them) that are recognizable at a distance.
All troops of nations signing this agreement are required to carry their weapons openly.
All signatories are bound to abide by all provisions of this agreement.

It is unlawful, even in time of war, for troops to fire on or otherwise attempt to kill, maim or injure the following people:
Diplomats
Diplomatic staff
Staff of relief and humanitarian aid agencies.
Medical personnel
Pastors, Rabbis and other religious figures.
Passive civilians
injured soldiers
Parachutists (distinguished from Paratroopers who are combatants)-these are soldiers evacuating a plane that has been shot down or fired upon.

Regarding the treatment of POW's all signatories shall be required to:
1. Provide humanitarian treatment.
2. Medical care.
3. Food, clothing, and protective shelter.
4. Ensure respect for the persons and property of the POW's. (IE not beating them up or stealing their wallets)
5. No POWs may be forced to engage in dangerous, humiliating or war related labor. (You can't force them to build trenches for your men or fix your tanks so you can kill more of their country men.)
6. Medical experimentation on POW's is banned.
7. Interrogation via truth serum is banned.
8. All forms of physical abuse are banned.
9. All POW's have the right to adequate facilities to maintain good hygeine (they must be allowed access to showers, toilets, and toothbrushing facilities.)
10. All POW's must be given enough food to maintain good health. (It is illegal to starve them.)

Before engaging in any attack, commanders of the offensive unit must take precautionary steps to evacuate civilians from the area. Those failing to do so, can be tried for war crimes. Special Ops or other operations necessary for speeding up the reestablishment of peace are exempted. But reasonable efforts to evacuate civilians must be taken.

The following are designated as safe zones and may not be attacked by troops of any nation signing this agreement.
1. Undefended towns, villages, or cities.
2. Buildings of religious, scientific, or artistic importance.
3. All historic monuments (you cannot attack the Alamo cause it is a historic monument)
4. Hospitals
5. Other places where the sick and injured are located.
6. Senior Centers.
7. Preschools.
If any one fires weapons from these buildings, they are no longer safe zones.
The only absolute safe zone is undefended villages, towns and cities.

The following are safe signs and no bearing them may be attacked:
The Red Cross
The Red Crescent
The Red Star of David
The Red Moon
The flag of Historicity (used to disignate historic monuments.)
Combatants in these areas shall be charged with the war crime of treachery.

All soldiers who are sniper skilled must shoot to kill. It is unlawful for them to shoot to maim. Snipers who use nonlethal weapons are exempted.
Any soldier who is not good enough to get a sharp shot shall not be prosecuted if his shot maims the enemy.
If injured soldiers continue to resist by force, they remain combatants.

All hollow round ammo is banned (cause they maim).
All dumdum and crossfiled ammo are banned.
Laser weapons are banned cause they cause unnecessary suffering.
Lasers used to shoot down missiles or sattelites are exempt.

Landmines:
It is illegal to use landmines indiscriminately.
Landmines cannot be used to take advantage of a nation which complying with provisions of this treaty and other laws of war.
All mine fields must be marked with signs. The government deploying mines shall be legally required to keep a map of where every single mine is located and shall have on file a plan for removal of the mines.
This shall not apply in Demilitarized Zones.

The following shall be considered safety signs. No person or vehicles carrying them may be attacked by signatory:
The Red Cross
The Red Crescent
The Red Star of David
The Red Lion
The Red Dragon
The blue and white shield (used to denote historic sights)

The use of chemical weapons is prohibited.
The use biological weapons is prohibited.
The retaliatory use of nuclear weapons against nations with populations less than 20 million is banned.
The use of nuclear weapons is banned except in extreme circumstances.
The retaliatory use of nuclear weapons must be approved in writing by the President of the nation launching the nukes.


The use of treachery in the theater of war (booby trapping your injured buddy to kill people of the opposing nationality, or hiding behind the white flag of surrender then opening fire when the enemy gets right up to you) is banned.
The use of booby traps designed to maim, harm civilians, or sacrifice injured soldiers is banned.

The only defense allowed for war crimes is a provable alibi.
Those who obey orders from superiors to open fire on civilians or in any other way violate this treaty, shall be tried for war crimes.
All persons convicted of war crimes shall lose the protections of this treaty.
All civilians, including medical personell and religious figures, who take up arms and begin attacking soldiers with said weapons, may legally be treated as combatants cause by picking up the weapon they forfeited their noncombatant status.

The citizens of nations which have not signed this treaty shall not be protected from the abuses signed by this treaty.
This treaty shall go into effect upon ratification by ten signatory nations.

Signatories:
Whittier
Crookfur
LowerEgypt
WestMoon
The SouthPacific
Upper Egypt
Mousteria
The NWO Alliance (now defunct)
The Anti Terror Army
Vizion

You took the words right out of my fingers.

Ill probably be up all night writing up my case. lol
Yep, he's going to hang. To pardon the pun.

Actually:

We declare the right of all nations to acquire WMD's and affirm their right to use all means necessary for self defense including nuclear weapons.

The Whittier Pact reaffirms the right of first strike as regards the use nuclear weapons. We reserve the right to go to war over the slightest threats to our common national securities.

From Acts 3 & 5 of The Whittier Pact Charter.
He hasn't signed so he isn't subject to the WC.

A copy of the charges are being sent to the defendant's attorny.

Ok, there are some of those charges that may be hard to prove, but I think there is enough to get a conviction with a pretty stiff penalty.

Also, do you have AIM, or MSN messenger? It might help if we talked about it through there.

Ok, there are some of those charges that may be hard to prove, but I think there is enough to get a conviction with a pretty stiff penalty.

Also, do you have AIM, or MSN messenger? It might help if we talked about it through there.
I have yahoo. Vetobob.

My client wishes to end this trial immediatly on the grounds that those are UN laws, and he is not a member, and those laws, therefore, do not appy. He will, however, pay 100 billion USD in reparation in addition to 500 billion he already gave to Hataria.

OOC:Before you ask, yes, I worked this out with RS. In fact, he's the one who told me to say this.

They are international laws, not just UN. (I think, Whittier would know more than me on this.)

Either way, he's not going to the trial.

If I might speak freely, this being my last comment in this trial, I am not a member of your pact, either. The only treaty/organization that binds me is to C A D.

They are international laws, not just UN. (I think, Whittier would know more than me on this.)
That is correct. These are not UN laws but common laws of war that have been in existence for thousands of years of human history in one form or another.
All the UN did was write a document based on them.

Either way, he's not going to the trial.
HMMM. Running away eh?

That, and plus he's not gonna be on for two weeks. He'll be on for a little while on saturday I think.